tangerine7 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

I hope they all leak so they can't mess up and destroy his work.....

Yeah I do too in alot of ways.

There's no way fans will be happy with what Sony does unless they put together a large compilation of unreleased songs and maybe some demo's. But we all know that ain't about to happen..

CPest1 said:

tangerine7 said:

Yeah I do too in alot of ways.

There's no way fans will be happy with what Sony does unless they put together a large compilation of unreleased songs and maybe some demo's. But we all know that ain't about to happen..

Sony's only pleasing themselves (and the estate). It's quite obvious that's all they're into.

Timmy84 said:

CPest1 said:

There's no way fans will be happy with what Sony does unless they put together a large compilation of unreleased songs and maybe some demo's. But we all know that ain't about to happen..

Sony's only pleasing themselves (and the estate). It's quite obvious that's all they're into.

Sad,but true... (I'd like to think other wise,though...but I know better.)

I cannot believe those fraudascio tracks will be added to MJ's perfect discography

tangerine7 said:

Timmy84 said:

Sony's only pleasing themselves (and the estate). It's quite obvious that's all they're into.

Sad,but true... (I'd like to think other wise,though...but I know better.)

That's why I am glad for the age we live in, Sony got more leaks than a water pipe that looks like swiss cheese and we can just make our own damn albums!

CPest1 said:

tangerine7 said:

Sad,but true... (I'd like to think other wise,though...but I know better.)

That's why I am glad for the age we live in, Sony got more leaks than a water pipe that looks like swiss cheese and we can just make our own damn albums!

seeingvoices12 said:

I cannot believe those fraudascio tracks will be added to MJ's perfect discography

I'm still struggling to believe how many people (i.e. Teddy, estate etc) think it's MJ. All this talk of 'experts' etc almost got me doubting my judgement

NaughtyKitty said:

^Thanks for that. Here is another version without the added sound fx:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUwfQs7k0es

I made that picture!!!!

CPest1 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

I cannot believe those fraudascio tracks will be added to MJ's perfect discography

I'm still struggling to believe how many people (i.e. Teddy, estate etc) think it's MJ. All this talk of 'experts' etc almost got me doubting my judgement

Yeah , I knew it's not MJ when I heard the first line of " Breaking News" , I cringed , It's not his voice.....and they hired all those experts and producers to check the authenticity of the vocals , why ? Why they put them in the album in the firts place and endanger the man's legacy if they have a single doubt about the vocals? ..... I really don't understamd, something fishy and shady is going on...what a mess.

seeingvoices12 said:

CPest1 said:

I'm still struggling to believe how many people (i.e. Teddy, estate etc) think it's MJ. All this talk of 'experts' etc almost got me doubting my judgement

Yeah , I knew it's not MJ when I heard the first line of " Breaking News" , I cringed , It's not his voice.....and they hired all those experts and producers to check the authenticity of the vocals , why ? Why they put them in the album in the firts place and endanger the man's legacy if they have a single doubt about the vocals? ..... I really don't understamd, something fishy and shady is going on...what a mess.

That's the part I can't understand. If they were leaked and we all shouted fake and never saw them again then I wouldn't care. BUT they are actually going to be on a CD. I don't believe in conspiracies but this is beyond strange. I was happy to see there are MANY fans that feel it isn't him. How can Sony etc not hear it?????

I'm going to delete the damn things and forget they were ever there..

CPest1 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Yeah , I knew it's not MJ when I heard the first line of " Breaking News" , I cringed , It's not his voice.....and they hired all those experts and producers to check the authenticity of the vocals , why ? Why they put them in the album in the firts place and endanger the man's legacy if they have a single doubt about the vocals? ..... I really don't understamd, something fishy and shady is going on...what a mess.

That's the part I can't understand. If they were leaked and we all shouted fake and never saw them again then I wouldn't care. BUT they are actually going to be on a CD. I don't believe in conspiracies but this is beyond strange. I was happy to see there are MANY fans that feel it isn't him. How can Sony etc not hear it?????

I'm going to delete the damn things and forget they were ever there..

they said that the jacksons poisoned our minds about the authenticity of the tracks , Bullshit, I have ears and I can judge from what i hear, and I do NOT need the jacksons to tell how Michael sounds like , something needs to be done regarding that issue really, before this disaster gets released.

seeingvoices12 said:

CPest1 said:

That's the part I can't understand. If they were leaked and we all shouted fake and never saw them again then I wouldn't care. BUT they are actually going to be on a CD. I don't believe in conspiracies but this is beyond strange. I was happy to see there are MANY fans that feel it isn't him. How can Sony etc not hear it?????

I'm going to delete the damn things and forget they were ever there..

they said that the jacksons poisoned our minds about the authenticity of the tracks , Bullshit, I have ears and I can judge from what i hear, and I do NOT need the jacksons to tell how Michael sounds like , something needs to be done regarding that issue really, before this disaster gets released.

I know a lot of pople want to protect MJ's legacy, but Sony know what the fans think about these 3 tracks. I don't see what else can be done? They have printed them and even if they admit later on that they too doubt the authenticity (which I doubt they will) they have still sold them all. Too messed up.

seeingvoices12 said:

CPest1 said:

That's the part I can't understand. If they were leaked and we all shouted fake and never saw them again then I wouldn't care. BUT they are actually going to be on a CD. I don't believe in conspiracies but this is beyond strange. I was happy to see there are MANY fans that feel it isn't him. How can Sony etc not hear it?????

I'm going to delete the damn things and forget they were ever there..

they said that the jacksons poisoned our minds about the authenticity of the tracks , Bullshit, I have ears and I can judge from what i hear, and I do NOT need the jacksons to tell how Michael sounds like , something needs to be done regarding that issue really, before this disaster gets released.

It could be possible that they did this to shut the Jacksons up. Because they want money. So they took it to the streets. Reeks of ignorance on both sides.

Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

they said that the jacksons poisoned our minds about the authenticity of the tracks , Bullshit, I have ears and I can judge from what i hear, and I do NOT need the jacksons to tell how Michael sounds like , something needs to be done regarding that issue really, before this disaster gets released.

It could be possible that they did this to shut the Jacksons up. Because they want money. So they took it to the streets. Reeks of ignorance on both sides.

lol

Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

they said that the jacksons poisoned our minds about the authenticity of the tracks , Bullshit, I have ears and I can judge from what i hear, and I do NOT need the jacksons to tell how Michael sounds like , something needs to be done regarding that issue really, before this disaster gets released.

It could be possible that they did this to shut the Jacksons up. Because they want money. So they took it to the streets. Reeks of ignorance on both sides.

Or maybe Sony, they thought to promote this album they would think like Michael and decided to create this controversy as he used to do ie with the oxygen chamber et al and promoted it through controversy and the version on the album will be the final version with all Michael?

[Edited 11/17/10 15:11pm]

MothaFunky said:

Timmy84 said:

It could be possible that they did this to shut the Jacksons up. Because they want money. So they took it to the streets. Reeks of ignorance on both sides.

Or maybe Sony, they thought to promote this album they would think like Michael and decided to create this controversy as he used to do ie with the oxygen chamber et al and promoted it through controversy and the version on the album will be the final version with all Michael?

[Edited 11/17/10 15:11pm]

what a catastrophic promotion technique

MothaFunky said:

Timmy84 said:

It could be possible that they did this to shut the Jacksons up. Because they want money. So they took it to the streets. Reeks of ignorance on both sides.

Or maybe Sony, they thought to promote this album they would think like Michael and decided to create this controversy as he used to do ie with the oxygen chamber et al and promoted it through controversy and the version on the album will be the final version with all Michael?

[Edited 11/17/10 15:11pm]

Yeah you might want to do some of this:

Or a lot of it in fact!

Just wanna say a quick "Fuck you, morons" to the people out there that think the kids aren't biologically Michael's. You guys are blind.

Eat shit, suckaz!

All those tabloids are saying that bodyguard is doing a DNA test for Prince Michael II.

All I can say is "remember that actor from Oliver and him possibly parenting Michael Jr. and Paris?"

Uh yeah.

But yeah that's Michael's.

Militant said:

Just wanna say a quick "Fuck you, morons" to the people out there that think the kids aren't biologically Michael's. You guys are blind.

Eat shit, suckaz!

why you posted that ? now the hot mess about the kid's biology will start....lol

The CDs have already been printed. Sony ISN'T changing anything now guys.

It's too late to do anything except raise hell when it is released.

[Edited 11/17/10 15:22pm]

Vanilli said:

The CDs have already been printed. Sony ISN'T changing anything now guys.

It's too late to do anything except raise hell when it is released.

[Edited 11/17/10 15:22pm]

I might try and find out where Tommy mottola is and throw a copy of the CD at his head! Not sure what else can be done. I just hope at some point this is all cleared up so we can move on to more positive things...

CPest1 said:

tangerine7 said:

Yeah I do too in alot of ways.

There's no way fans will be happy with what Sony does unless they put together a large compilation of unreleased songs and maybe some demo's. But we all know that ain't about to happen..

Actually, I think it would be easy for them to create a solid album. True, you can't please everyone, but splitting the fanbase in half? The fact they needed to bring in forensic experts gives you all the reason you need to leave these tracks off the album.

It sounds like there's going to be some real gems on this. Brad Buxer and MJ working together on Hollywood Tonight (which we now know is NOT Do You Know Where Your Children Are). Much Too Soon isn't amazing, but it is pretty solid and, most importantly, CLEARLY Michael Jackson. Best Of Joy sounds interesting... these are the kinds of tracks I expected. Not those strange tracks where I can't even tell who's singing.

I think MJ fans will always find a way to hate Sony despite them promoting and spending more money on MJ through the years than any artist. Only MJ gets a 10 million dollar video, only MJ is featured on commercials and advertising his new album on the MTV awards. I don't see other artist getting that treatment.

Fans need to understand and listen to what Teddy Riley said. He said MJ most of the time MJ recorded just 1 or 2 verses of a DEMO and moved on. Riley also said there wasn't as much new material as people thing.

So Sony has two options?

1. Forget about New Music and just enjoy his legacy like Will i Am said

2. Relase the Demo's but they have to find a way to fill in the blanks in which fans will complain

I guess you can release just the DEMO with MJ's 1 or 2 verses but you can't overpromote that or release that to radio stations. It would have to be a fan album, but NOT PROMOTED. You can't release a 1 or 2 verse song to radio and the DEMO stops there. They would be like what da hell is this.

Got banned from MJJC. An "arguing ban" apparently. That place is a mess. I hate it and I am never going back there again.

Unholyalliance said:

Question guys: The beginning of Do You Know Where Children Are sounds like O.P.P., but according to wiki O.P.P. wasn't recorded and released until 1991 and this song was supposedly recorded in 1990. What's going on? Is it just a big coincidence? That seems somewhat unlikely... Was there another record both of them were sampling from?

As Cinnie said last thread and Timmy confirms this one - the beat to DYKWYCA and OPP both use the intro to Melvin Bliss' Synthetic Substitution.

It was first sampled in 1986 by Ultramagnetic MC's on Ego Trippin' - and was also sampled on De La Soul's Potholes in my Lawn in 1987.

All well before OPP.

CPest1 said:

Vanilli said:

The CDs have already been printed. Sony ISN'T changing anything now guys.

It's too late to do anything except raise hell when it is released.

[Edited 11/17/10 15:22pm]

I might try and find out where Tommy mottola is and throw a copy of the CD at his head! Not sure what else can be done. I just hope at some point this is all cleared up so we can move on to more positive things...

Tommy is no longer associated with Sony so we can't blame him (I don't think).

As a matter of fact, when things like this occurs, record labels always do this. I think the estate gave them the songs though because those weren't leaked.

I don't know but whenever I see the word "forensic musicologist" I always scratch my head.

smoothcriminal12 said:

Got banned from MJJC. An "arguing ban" apparently. That place is a mess. I hate it and I am never going back there again.

BabyBeMine said:

I think MJ fans will always find a way to hate Sony despite them promoting and spending more money on MJ through the years than any artist. Only MJ gets a 10 million dollar video, only MJ is featured on commercials and advertising his new album on the MTV awards. I don't see other artist getting that treatment.

Fans need to understand and listen to what Teddy Riley said. He said MJ most of the time MJ recorded just 1 or 2 verses of a DEMO and moved on. Riley also said there wasn't as much new material as people thing.

So Sony has two options?

1. Forget about New Music and just enjoy his legacy like Will i Am said

2. Relase the Demo's but they have to find a way to fill in the blanks in which fans will complain

I guess you can release just the DEMO with MJ's 1 or 2 verses but you can't overpromote that or release that to radio stations. It would have to be a fan album, but NOT PROMOTED. You can't release a 1 or 2 verse song to radio and the DEMO stops there. They would be like what da hell is this.