Well Mr. Jones, wasn't it you who was quick to join those assholes?

Good Luck Nas.

Musicslave said:

Good Luck Nas.

I will be so glad when labels die

He is right, we are into the artist, not the exec.

But he & Prince act like they would exist without the record company, and that is foolish.

NDRU said:

He is right, we are into the artist, not the exec.

But he & Prince act like they would exist without the record company, and that is foolish.

Both of them should've read the fine print of contracts before signing it like kids going to candy stores. See this is what happens when you're young, green and getting into the industry and you still got that kid in you. That's why some deals don't work out as they should. It's always a mistake to not read further into what you're getting into.

Nas is a chump.

NDRU said:

He is right, we are into the artist, not the exec.

But he & Prince act like they would exist without the record company, and that is foolish.

Prince admitted that a new artist needs a record company but an established artist with a faithful fanbase doesn't as much. Nas is on a level most rappers will never attain and can only hope to achieve. Let the man put out his music and let the fans decide what's what. With declining record sales these days there's absolutely nothing to lose by putting out anyones music. The days of multi-million sales is over and done. Todays blockbuster CD sales are a joke compared to what artists used to sell in the 80's and 90's. Executives are clinging to outdated dreams of grandeur.

HonestMan13 said:

NDRU said:

He is right, we are into the artist, not the exec.

But he & Prince act like they would exist without the record company, and that is foolish.

Prince admitted that a new artist needs a record company but an established artist with a faithful fanbase doesn't as much. Nas is on a level most rappers will never attain and can only hope to achieve. Let the man put out his music and let the fans decide what's what. With declining record sales these days there's absolutely nothing to lose by putting out anyones music. The days of multi-million sales is over and done. Todays blockbuster CD sales are a joke compared to what artists used to sell in the 80's and 90's. Executives are clinging to outdated dreams of grandeur.

Yeah but they want it both ways. They want the promotion from the label, but they don't want to give anything in return. Prince has at least left the labels behind, but don't pretend it was all your talent that got you there. It was the label's $ that got you there, in partnership with the talent. It's easy to say you don't need them when you're a star, but without them you would not be a star.

And as Timmy said--read the CONtract.

Asking out of ignorance: Do people really care this much about Nas?

"It’s smart and after 5 years it’s still a head of the game."

Siiiiigh....

Dude just needs to put some shit out under a different name. Market and promote it himself out of pocket and see where that gets him. Maybe it works out great, maybe it doesn't. Also, as has been mentioned regarding reading contracts, he needs to get his required albums finished and submitted to Def Jam, then be done with it. Stop playing their game.

NDRU said:

HonestMan13 said:

Prince admitted that a new artist needs a record company but an established artist with a faithful fanbase doesn't as much. Nas is on a level most rappers will never attain and can only hope to achieve. Let the man put out his music and let the fans decide what's what. With declining record sales these days there's absolutely nothing to lose by putting out anyones music. The days of multi-million sales is over and done. Todays blockbuster CD sales are a joke compared to what artists used to sell in the 80's and 90's. Executives are clinging to outdated dreams of grandeur.

Yeah but they want it both ways. They want the promotion from the label, but they don't want to give anything in return. Prince has at least left the labels behind, but don't pretend it was all your talent that got you there. It was the label's $ that got you there, in partnership with the talent. It's easy to say you don't need them when you're a star, but without them you would not be a star.

And as Timmy said--read the CONtract.

read the CONtract.....I like that.

Musicslave said:

NDRU said:

Yeah but they want it both ways. They want the promotion from the label, but they don't want to give anything in return. Prince has at least left the labels behind, but don't pretend it was all your talent that got you there. It was the label's $ that got you there, in partnership with the talent. It's easy to say you don't need them when you're a star, but without them you would not be a star.

And as Timmy said--read the CONtract.

read the CONtract.....I like that.

He has a right to be mad. He announced The Lost Tapes 2 and then they decided they didn't want to put it out

Timmy84 said:

Well Mr. Jones, wasn't it you who was quick to join those assholes?

This is all that needs to be said.

Recording artists can be some dumb motherfuckers, including the one this site is named after.

bboy87 said:

He has a right to be mad. He announced The Lost Tapes 2 and then they decided they didn't want to put it out

Boy, he was wrong first of all for signing with Def Scam. FUCK THAT.

Vendetta1 said:

Timmy84 said:

Well Mr. Jones, wasn't it you who was quick to join those assholes?

This is all that needs to be said.

Recording artists can be some dumb motherfuckers, including the one this site is named after.

You know why they just end up signing contracts they never thought of reading: they were led to believe they would always have hit records and be paid. And that they would put out their material.

WELL... we saw how that goes?! RIGHT!? RIGHT!?

It's one thing when you're kids because no one thinks to look after the kid acts but after you grow up, that shouldn't be an excuse.

Timmy84 said:

Vendetta1 said:

This is all that needs to be said.

Recording artists can be some dumb motherfuckers, including the one this site is named after.

You know why they just end up signing contracts they never thought of reading: they were led to believe they would always have hit records and be paid. And that they would put out their material.

WELL... we saw how that goes?! RIGHT!? RIGHT!?

It's one thing when you're kids because no one thinks to look after the kid acts but after you grow up, that shouldn't be an excuse.

Motherfuckers don't have a lick of common damn sense.

Vendetta1 said:

Timmy84 said:

You know why they just end up signing contracts they never thought of reading: they were led to believe they would always have hit records and be paid. And that they would put out their material.

WELL... we saw how that goes?! RIGHT!? RIGHT!?

It's one thing when you're kids because no one thinks to look after the kid acts but after you grow up, that shouldn't be an excuse.

Motherfuckers don't have a lick of common damn sense.

They all see one thing that the label sees daily: MONEY! $$$

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

He is right, we are into the artist, not the exec.

But he & Prince act like they would exist without the record company, and that is foolish.

Both of them should've read the fine print of contracts before signing it like kids going to candy stores. See this is what happens when you're young, green and getting into the industry and you still got that kid in you. That's why some deals don't work out as they should. It's always a mistake to not read further into what you're getting into.

Yeah that is so true. A recent interview i heard with a-ha in the UK about a week ago, in talking about the very early days and how they had to fight for stuff, but also dictated certain things going in, but also one great line was member Magne Furuholmen in saying "when something doesnt go your way, like a child, you blame the label" and he is 100% right, YES the whole system is screwed up, artists get the shaft now and today just as much, BUT, for NAS to say its slavery is an insult to "slaves" that actually HAD NO CHOICE, nobody picked NAS off the street and said sign this or we will kill you, so arguments like this, especially from artists that have made alot of cash falls on deaf ears. Labels helped all of these artists be able to get a point to even speak their mind, its that simple, regardless of how corrupt the system is, shit, think of a regular retail job and how corrupt that is, U bust your ass to make them millions and get paid a minimum wage and every now and then get a pat on the back. So yes labels suck, but folks, they made all of these artists, you would have never heard of anyone we discuss on this forum had it not been for the label .

industry rule # 1080....

BklynBabe said:

industry rule # 1080....

Record company people are shadyyy!!!