There was also this article

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/michael-jackson-begged-for-dad_1112380

[Edited 9/5/10 8:28am]

suga10 said:

There was also this article

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/michael-jackson-begged-for-dad_1112380

Michael Jackson Begged For Dad

Michael Jackson reportedly called out for his father Joe on the night he died as he believed his dad was the only person who could ''clean up the mess''.

Michael Jackson reportedly called out for his father on the night he died. The pop legend - who passed away on June 25 after suffering a suspected cardiac arrest - was desperate to see dad Joe Jackson as he was convinced his aides weren't looking after his finances and wanted to call off his 50 comeback shows in London. Referring to a phone call Michael - who was due to start his mammoth residency at The O2 arena on July 13 - took in the early hours on the day he died, his biographer Ian Halperin said: "He got in a shouting match about finances. That was when Michael said he was calling off the tour. He said some advisers didn't care about his welfare. I've been told he was crying. "He demanded an aide call his father. He said his father was the only person who could 'clean up the mess.' " Ian also claims the 50-year-old star - who had allegedly been given the anaesthetic Propofol and powerful painkiller Demerol on the day of his death - spent his final 12 hours writing frightening poetry while in a drug-induced breakdown at the Los Angeles mansion he had been staying at. He alleged: "He was as high as a kite. What he wrote was dark, sort of frightening. The poems were found, hanging in his room on strings. He was over the edge. "Michael was cracking up. He had been injecting himself for over 12 hours, he said for excruciating pain. He begged to see his father but was told they couldn't get hold of him. "If Joe Jackson had seen him that night, I believe Michael would still be alive." He alleges when Michael was refused his request, he ordered his physician Dr. Conrad Murray to give him drugs to "put him out". Meanwhile, Michael's friend Mark Lester claims he was misquoted over stories he is the biological father of the singer's 11-year-old daughter Paris. A source said: "His words have been twisted around. He's not claiming to be the father of Paris Jackson." Reports which surfaced yesterday (09.08.09) claimed Mark had donated his sperm so Michael could become a father.

[Edited 9/5/10 8:28am]

Until I hear this crap in court, it sounds like dramatic bullshit to make the story sound more appealing about "the tortured rock star" Funny how Ian knew and published about Demerol immediately too....

suga10 said:

There was also this article

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/michael-jackson-begged-for-dad_1112380

Michael Jackson Begged For Dad

Michael Jackson reportedly called out for his father Joe on the night he died as he believed his dad was the only person who could ''clean up the mess''.

Michael Jackson reportedly called out for his father on the night he died. The pop legend - who passed away on June 25 after suffering a suspected cardiac arrest - was desperate to see dad Joe Jackson as he was convinced his aides weren't looking after his finances and wanted to call off his 50 comeback shows in London. Referring to a phone call Michael - who was due to start his mammoth residency at The O2 arena on July 13 - took in the early hours on the day he died, his biographer Ian Halperin said: "He got in a shouting match about finances. That was when Michael said he was calling off the tour. He said some advisers didn't care about his welfare. I've been told he was crying. "He demanded an aide call his father. He said his father was the only person who could 'clean up the mess.' " Ian also claims the 50-year-old star - who had allegedly been given the anaesthetic Propofol and powerful painkiller Demerol on the day of his death - spent his final 12 hours writing frightening poetry while in a drug-induced breakdown at the Los Angeles mansion he had been staying at. He alleged: "He was as high as a kite. What he wrote was dark, sort of frightening. The poems were found, hanging in his room on strings. He was over the edge. "Michael was cracking up. He had been injecting himself for over 12 hours, he said for excruciating pain. He begged to see his father but was told they couldn't get hold of him. "If Joe Jackson had seen him that night, I believe Michael would still be alive." He alleges when Michael was refused his request, he ordered his physician Dr. Conrad Murray to give him drugs to "put him out". Meanwhile, Michael's friend Mark Lester claims he was misquoted over stories he is the biological father of the singer's 11-year-old daughter Paris. A source said: "His words have been twisted around. He's not claiming to be the father of Paris Jackson." Reports which surfaced yesterday (09.08.09) claimed Mark had donated his sperm so Michael could become a father.

[Edited 9/5/10 8:28am]

MOL said:

suga10 said:

There was also this article

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/michael-jackson-begged-for-dad_1112380

[Edited 9/5/10 8:28am]

This story is NOT true. Suga: you are fooling no one.

joe is the last person mj would cry to about this if he were doing that

I gotta agree with alphastreet here. Suga - I love ya, and I'm fascinated by

all the conspiracy stuff you posted, because it is downright interesting to me,

but honestly, Ian is about as credible as Nancy Grace on the topic of Michael

Jackson. I mean, this is the dude who said MJ had a gay lover and would sneak

out to meet them. Let's get serious, if that was the case, there would be photos,

more people coming out of the woodwork..it would be a bigger story. His crediability

was shot, and as for "predicting" Michael's death, his "reason" was way off. Opps he

forgets to mention that part when he is pushing his book, and his "documentary" on

MJ.

Yo bboy - tell the rest of the org

your thoughts about Ian please. I love hearing you roast him!

alphastreet said:

suga10 said:

There was also this article

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/story/michael-jackson-begged-for-dad_1112380

[Edited 9/5/10 8:28am]

Until I hear this crap in court, it sounds like dramatic bullshit to make the story sound more appealing about "the tortured rock star" Funny how Ian knew and published about Demerol immediately too....

I'm saying that there was an article like that posted. I didn't say whether I believe it was true or not. But who really knows right? Just cause the article spells BS, doesn't mean there isn't an element of truth to it.

And yes I know its by Ian Halperin, but remember, the publishing world, doesn't accept books which are Pro-Michael Jackson (remember Aprodhite Jones said how she struggled to get a Pro-Jackson book on the market), so these people who write books about Michael sensationalize the tabloid stuff but they also mix it in with some factual information- otherwise the book would not end up selling.

Anyways, regardless of what you all like to think.

I still think the stories of Michael not being close to his father near the final days is exaggerated by the media.

He might not have liked him interferring with his business matters, but then again, if you think about it, Michael doesn't let anyone in his family interfere with his business dealings.

However he was still open to getting his family's help when things were not working out in his own way.

[Edited 9/5/10 8:54am]

Fuck that shit, suga. It's not any better posting the article especially considering how credible many of these fools are. JFC.

You can't JUST talk about the music like you said you wanted to?

Jesus lol

Timmy84 said:

Fuck that shit, suga. It's not any better posting the article especially considering how credible many of these fools are. JFC.

You can't JUST talk about the music like you said you wanted to?

Jesus lol

MOL started the discussion again I had no intention to even start this talk.

You know how me and MOL like to go at it. This person likes to claim that all of the Jackson family was full of leeches who never cared about Michael's wellbeing and I have a hard time believing this.

And before that, I wasn't even talking about this stuff. I was posting Michael Jackson pictures and recordings from the Dangerous Tour that eventually got taken out of the tour

Anyways- I called a truce to this discussion now MOL. Not that I don't like talk with you, but Timmy boy is getting a little pissed.

[Edited 9/5/10 8:59am]

suga10 said:

Timmy84 said:

Fuck that shit, suga. It's not any better posting the article especially considering how credible many of these fools are. JFC.

You can't JUST talk about the music like you said you wanted to?

Jesus lol

MOL started the discussion again I had no intention to even start this talk.

You know how me and MOL like to go at it. This person likes to claim that all of the Jackson family was full of leeches who never cared about Michael's wellbeing and I have a hard time believing this.

And before that, I wasn't even talking about this stuff.

[Edited 9/5/10 8:53am]

Suga, I just PROVED that Joe wasn't minimally concerned about MJ's well being. What happened since Michael announced the TII tour until the day he died proves what kind of relationship the two had and, mainly, what kind of person Joe was/is. It's not exaggerated by anyone. It's not always the media's fault, you know? You have a hard time believing in anything that goes against your idols: Michael's brothers, sisters and father. Even after I've presented you with a thousand of facts, you still claim I'm the one who is bad and is constantly hating on the family. The hater! I did NOT start any discussion, mainly with you. If I'm going to start a discussion, I'll do it with people who actually know something about MJ and his family and who aren't delusional. There is no way I'd ever start a discussion with you! Just like you're idols you love playing the victim card but I'm having none of it.

[Edited 9/5/10 9:01am]

MOL said:

suga10 said:

MOL started the discussion again I had no intention to even start this talk.

You know how me and MOL like to go at it. This person likes to claim that all of the Jackson family was full of leeches who never cared about Michael's wellbeing and I have a hard time believing this.

And before that, I wasn't even talking about this stuff.

[Edited 9/5/10 8:53am]

Suga, I just PROVED that Joe wasn't minimally concerned about MJ's well being. What happened since Michael announced the TII tour until the day he died proves what kind of relationship the two had and, mainly, what kind of person Joe was/is. It's not exaggerated by anyone. It's not always the media's fault, you know? You have a hard time believe in anything that goes against your idols: Michael's brothers, sisters and father. Even after I've presented you with a thousand of facts, you still claim I'm the one who is bad and is constantly hating on the family. The hater! I did NOT start any discussion, mainly with you. If I'm going to start a discussion, I'll do it with people who actually know something about MJ and his family and who aren't delusional. There is no way I'd ever start a discussion with you! Just like you're idols you love playing the victim card but I'm having none of it.

I respect your opinion and your entitled to your own views, however, weren't you the one in denial about MJ's health for the This Is It concert series too and you're claiming that I'm in denial about the family caring for Michael. You claimed he was healthy, well guess what, I sent out a video to Dag and MJLuv which had a This Is It insider talked about the truth of what went on behind the scenes during the This is It production- and it was NOT good what happened. I'll be happy to send you the video if you're interested.

[Edited 9/5/10 9:08am]

suga10 said:

MOL said:

Suga, I just PROVED that Joe wasn't minimally concerned about MJ's well being. What happened since Michael announced the TII tour until the day he died proves what kind of relationship the two had and, mainly, what kind of person Joe was/is. It's not exaggerated by anyone. It's not always the media's fault, you know? You have a hard time believe in anything that goes against your idols: Michael's brothers, sisters and father. Even after I've presented you with a thousand of facts, you still claim I'm the one who is bad and is constantly hating on the family. The hater! I did NOT start any discussion, mainly with you. If I'm going to start a discussion, I'll do it with people who actually know something about MJ and his family and who aren't delusional. There is no way I'd ever start a discussion with you! Just like you're idols you love playing the victim card but I'm having none of it.

I respect your opinion and your entitled to your own views, however, weren't you the one in denial about MJ's health for the This Is It concert series. You claimg he was healthy, well guess what, I sent out a video to Dag and MJLuv which had a This Is It insider talked about the truth of what went on behind the scenes during the This is It production- and it was NOT good what happened. I'll be happy to send you the video if you're interested.

suga10 said:

I respect your opinion and your entitled to your own views, however, weren't you the one in denial about MJ's health for the This Is It concert series too and you're claiming that I'm in denial about the family caring for Michael. You claimed he was healthy, well guess what, I sent out a video to Dag and MJLuv which had a This Is It insider talked about the truth of what went on behind the scenes during the This is It production- and it was NOT good what happened. I'll be happy to send you the video if you're interested.

Can I please also ask for a copy?

MOL said:

suga10 said:

I respect your opinion and your entitled to your own views, however, weren't you the one in denial about MJ's health for the This Is It concert series. You claimg he was healthy, well guess what, I sent out a video to Dag and MJLuv which had a This Is It insider talked about the truth of what went on behind the scenes during the This is It production- and it was NOT good what happened. I'll be happy to send you the video if you're interested.

Suga, this is getting tiring. I'm not in denial over anything. The autopsy proved Michael was healthy (it's actually written there, in black and white, that Michael was healthy). The tapes prove he was healthy. You know what? He was healthy and ready to tour. It's not denial: it's the truth. From the dancers to the producers to friends who had contact with him, everybody claims he what I'm stating. Stop this madness! Stop believing in this Oxman, Rowe and Joe made up story tale.

Anyways, this is my final post about the health issue and then I"m done. You had freaking Randy Phillips in March who said Michael was suffering from an eating disorder, and Kenny was cutting up his chicken! Are you gonna say that Randy Phillips was lying too??? Then he goes contradicting himself again- by saying he was healthy.

And by the ways- there is another video which I haven't shown you yet, which will just rip away your credibility on the health issue and Michael being in control of everything. I didn't post it here, because there was too much private and personal information in it, and it was not appropriate to post it here so I send it to some people through PM.

[Edited 9/5/10 9:19am]

[Edited 9/5/10 9:34am]

suga10 said:

MOL said:

Suga, this is getting tiring. I'm not in denial over anything. The autopsy proved Michael was healthy (it's actually written there, in black and white, that Michael was healthy). The tapes prove he was healthy. You know what? He was healthy and ready to tour. It's not denial: it's the truth. From the dancers to the producers to friends who had contact with him, everybody claims he what I'm stating. Stop this madness! Stop believing in this Oxman, Rowe and Joe made up story tale.

Anyways, this is my final post about the health issue and then I"m done. You had freaking Randy Phillips in March who said Michael was suffering from an eating disorder, and Kenny was cutting up his chicken! Are you gonna say that Randy Phillips was lying too??? Then he goes contradicting himself again- by saying he was healthy.

[Edited 9/5/10 9:19am]

Every Michael Jackson fan knows that he was didn't always eat well for decades. So what? Michael weighed 136 pounds as of his death so anorexia is slightly out of question. Suga: don't try to convince me using TINI evidence. TINI fans as just as stupid and delusional as the people who believe Beckham is actually the greatest soccer player of all time. TINI evidence is just as contradictory and ridiculous as the Arvizos' testimonies.

And trying to prove your point by claiming Michael wasn't near his family isn't going to work. He didn0t have family around because he did NOT want them around. Not because of AEG. Not because of handlers. HE wanted to keep his family away to avoid being bothered by them and their constant pesterings. Claiming "Michael didn0t have his family around" to try to prove your point is ridiculous. It's not as if he was a 5 year old child who needed his family around. The man was an adult and he chose not to have his family around. And he had pretty good reasons to make such a choice. NObody forced him to do anything. The only people who were trying to force him to do what they want were his own father and his own father's friends.

[Edited 9/5/10 9:30am]

Michael Jackson: The Epitome Of Artistry

http://www.youtube.com/wa...p;index=17

Ok, we could use a good distraction right about now...

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Never seen Katherine style her natural hair.

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Michael, Lisa, and Janet- 95 VMA

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[Edited 9/5/10 11:01am]

suga10 said:

Michael, Lisa, and Janet- 95 VMA

Thanks for that video. I love hearing people praise him! It's refreshing after all the other BS we heard about him in the last few years

Other than the BS about the skin stuff, this footage is interesting

[Edited 9/5/10 11:16am]

Vanilli said:

As much as I'd like to believe Michael "forgave" his father,

after reading "The Michael Jackson Tapes" and hearing the

audio from them, I can't believe it was all just water under

the bridge. It was a "both-and." Michael both appreciated

his father management and he still was hurt from being

used, abused, and neglected. There was a reason Joe

was left completely out of Michael's will (and that was

AFTER the Oxford Speech.) By all accounts, Michael

still wanted his father far away from him around the

time of his passing, and when he had to be around him,

he wanted it to be in a controlled environment.

(I'm just assuming Joe was involved in the Jackson

family days that they did frequently, but who knows)

Part of me connects with Michael so much, because

I know what it is like to have family members who

should love you unconditionally, but instead, try

to use you and take you for granted. To look at

someone who is supposed to be family as "what

can I get out of them" is wrong on so many levels...

and sorry to the fans who wanna believe The Jacksons

were some Brady Bunch family keep watching your

DVD of "The Jacksons: An American Dream" - in REALITY

though, the way MJ was treated by his dad, and actually

most of his "family" is sickening. Greed x10000.

It is so sad that Michael's real only family was his mom,

and his kids. He deserved so much better than that.

I think you're right about Michael not forgiving his dad. I had problems with my parents for years and years, only recently have I truly gotten over most of that. We say we forgive, but it's not what we say it's what we really feel and do that matters. In fairness to Joe, I don't think he was any worse than a million other black dads out there who were products of their times. I do think the whole abuse crap which got overplayed in the late 80's and 90's created an industry for counselors and books but I think it was just pop psychology. Michael also hung around a spoiled crowd in LA which contributed to some of his viewpoints. But as far as true forgiveness, I don't think people ever really do forgive for the most part, it's a basic human instinct to protect oneself and also, people rarely change core habits, none of us do, it's just too damned hard. Joe was and is what he was.

suga10 said:

Quincy and Michael [img:$uid]http://mjjgallery.free.fr/invincible/msg/watw/002.jpg[/img:$uid]

Suga - Thank you for posting this. I remember seeing Q on Oprah around the time of the MSG

shows and Michael called in via the telephone praising Q, and Q said that he loved

Michael's MSG shows. I never realized Q was actually there. I thought he meant

he saw it on TV.

Anyway, awesome picture.

If anyone has a YouTube clip of Michael calling into Oprah for that

show, please post!

P.S.

Is it just me or do anyone else feel like Kenny Rogers is back there thinking,

"Why am I always stuck in the back? What is this "We Are The World?" LOL

[Edited 9/5/10 11:27am]

I think people look too much into things. Michael said he loved and forgave his father so that should be it. So what if he didn't mention him in the will(which some believe is fake) he didn't mention alot of people so does that mean he hates then too?

Not everyone has a perfect relationship with their parents, I for one can't stand my mother but that doesn't mean I love her and still hold grudges from punishments I got as a child. Michael could leave his money to whomever he wants.

mozfonky said:

Vanilli said:

As much as I'd like to believe Michael "forgave" his father,

after reading "The Michael Jackson Tapes" and hearing the

audio from them, I can't believe it was all just water under

the bridge. It was a "both-and." Michael both appreciated

his father management and he still was hurt from being

used, abused, and neglected. There was a reason Joe

was left completely out of Michael's will (and that was

AFTER the Oxford Speech.) By all accounts, Michael

still wanted his father far away from him around the

time of his passing, and when he had to be around him,

he wanted it to be in a controlled environment.

(I'm just assuming Joe was involved in the Jackson

family days that they did frequently, but who knows)

Part of me connects with Michael so much, because

I know what it is like to have family members who

should love you unconditionally, but instead, try

to use you and take you for granted. To look at

someone who is supposed to be family as "what

can I get out of them" is wrong on so many levels...

and sorry to the fans who wanna believe The Jacksons

were some Brady Bunch family keep watching your

DVD of "The Jacksons: An American Dream" - in REALITY

though, the way MJ was treated by his dad, and actually

most of his "family" is sickening. Greed x10000.

It is so sad that Michael's real only family was his mom,

and his kids. He deserved so much better than that.

I think you're right about Michael not forgiving his dad. I had problems with my parents for years and years, only recently have I truly gotten over most of that. We say we forgive, but it's not what we say it's what we really feel and do that matters. In fairness to Joe, I don't think he was any worse than a million other black dads out there who were products of their times. I do think the whole abuse crap which got overplayed in the late 80's and 90's created an industry for counselors and books but I think it was just pop psychology. Michael also hung around a spoiled crowd in LA which contributed to some of his viewpoints. But as far as true forgiveness, I don't think people ever really do forgive for the most part, it's a basic human instinct to protect oneself and also, people rarely change core habits, none of us do, it's just too damned hard. Joe was and is what he was.

Yup. I agree with you to a point.

A person doesn't just "get over" being abused or even treated poorly. No matter if it

is physical abuse or emotional abuse, pop culture fad, or devistating abuse, if it registered

on Michael's radar as abuse, it was abuse. If Michael felt like he was abused,

he is going to react and see the world through that lens and well then...he more or less was abused in some way to feel that way about his father at one time or another. (I'm not able

to word what I am wanting to, the right way, but I hope someone can feel what I'm trying

to say with this) I guess the bottom line is, if Joe was a fantasic father, we might not have

The Jackson 5, The Jacksons, Michael Jackson, and Janet Jackson. Michael's mom has said

time and time again she would have been content without the fame, so clearly, Joe was a

driving force for that. Sadly though, it came at the expense of doing some kind of harm to

Michael and other family members along the way. Joe "the driving force - manager"

couldn't be that guy, without also being a little looney tunes, and wanting that

for them A LITTLE too much. (I'm being as generous as I can to Joe right now.)

Given, what Michael said his father did to them growing up in "The Michael Jackson

Tapes" - it makes me sick to think some people compare him to "the everyday father."

If anyone hasn't read that book wants to call Joe the "everyday father" - you

really should read it. I doubt you will be thinking that then.

If you want a little "preview" - watch this. It is heartbreaking and

fascinating all at once. (There are links on the sidebar for the

other clips of that)

When you would look at Michael from a fan-point of view- you would

see someone who was sweet, kind, talented, and also hurt. You could

see he was both fragile and strong as hell. How was he both? He was

able to put all his pain and frusteration with his family, his past, the media

bullshit into his music and dancing. And yet you always knew, for him

to be so talented, and such an "angry dancer" as Fred Astaire called him,

there had to be something behind his eyes we didn't know about. And during

his life-time, when people would care to explore it, it always ended up with

him being labeled a freak. However, when he passed away, for a brief moment,

people seemed to be a bit more understanding. It saddens to me think they

weren't a lot more understanding, but even a little surprised me. We got to see

a window into the context of Michael's life, and it was more heartbreaking then

ever, but also, it made him even stronger -- in death -- knowing what he lived

with for all those years, all the pain, all the hurt, all the media bs, all the abuse,

all of it - and still able to be the MJ his millions of fans appreciated.

I mean that guy above isn't what I'd call a "weak man."

At the end of the day though, without Joe, the world wouldn't have had

Michael Jackson for 50 magical years, and millions of people across the

world (myself included) wouldn't have had someone to look up to that

was a real person.

[Edited 9/5/10 11:55am]

Background vocals from "2 Bad".

Vanilli said:

mozfonky said:

I think you're right about Michael not forgiving his dad. I had problems with my parents for years and years, only recently have I truly gotten over most of that. We say we forgive, but it's not what we say it's what we really feel and do that matters. In fairness to Joe, I don't think he was any worse than a million other black dads out there who were products of their times. I do think the whole abuse crap which got overplayed in the late 80's and 90's created an industry for counselors and books but I think it was just pop psychology. Michael also hung around a spoiled crowd in LA which contributed to some of his viewpoints. But as far as true forgiveness, I don't think people ever really do forgive for the most part, it's a basic human instinct to protect oneself and also, people rarely change core habits, none of us do, it's just too damned hard. Joe was and is what he was.

Yup. I agree with you to a point.

A person doesn't just "get over" being abused or even treated poorly. No matter if it

is physical abuse or emotional abuse, pop culture fad, or devistating abuse, if it registered

on Michael's radar as abuse, it was abuse. If Michael felt like he was abused,

he is going to react and see the world through that lens and well then...he more or less was abused in some way to feel that way about his father at one time or another. (I'm not able

to word what I am wanting to, the right way, but I hope someone can feel what I'm trying

to say with this) I guess the bottom line is, if Joe was a fantasic father, we might not have

The Jackson 5, The Jacksons, Michael Jackson, and Janet Jackson. Michael's mom has said

time and time again she would have been content without the fame, so clearly, Joe was a

driving force for that. Sadly though, it came at the expense of doing some kind of harm to

Michael and other family members along the way. Joe "the driving force - manager"

couldn't be that guy, without also being a little looney tunes, and wanting that

for them A LITTLE too much. (I'm being as generous as I can to Joe right now.)

Given, what Michael said his father did to them growing up in "The Michael Jackson

Tapes" - it makes me sick to think some people compare him to "the everyday father."

If anyone hasn't read that book wants to call Joe the "everyday father" - you

really should read it. I doubt you will be thinking that then.

If you want a little "preview" - watch this. It is heartbreaking and

fascinating all at once. (There are links on the sidebar for the

other clips of that)

When you would look at Michael from a fan-point of view- you would

see someone who was sweet, kind, talented, and also hurt. You could

see he was both fragile and strong as hell. How was he both? He was

able to put all his pain and frusteration with his family, his past, the media

bullshit into his music and dancing. And yet you always knew, for him

to be so talented, and such an "angry dancer" as Fred Astaire called him,

there had to be something behind his eyes we didn't know about. And during

his life-time, when people would care to explore it, it always ended up with

him being labeled a freak. However, when he passed away, for a brief moment,

people seemed to be a bit more understanding. It saddens to me think they

weren't a lot more understanding, but even a little surprised me. We got to see

a window into the context of Michael's life, and it was more heartbreaking then

ever, but also, it made him even stronger -- in death -- knowing what he lived

with for all those years, all the pain, all the hurt, all the media bs, all the abuse,

all of it - and still able to be the MJ his millions of fans appreciated.

I mean that guy above isn't what I'd call a "weak man."

At the end of the day though, without Joe, the world wouldn't have had

Michael Jackson for 50 magical years, and millions of people across the

world (myself included) wouldn't have had someone to look up to that

was a real person.

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The way Michael was, you can't say he was one-dimensional. And it was clear he used music and dance and art as his own expression to get out whatever anger he was going through at the time. I agree, he wasn't "weak" by no stretch of the imagination. He always was tough. I doubt he would've let Kenny Ortega or anyone talk to him like a dog. Like I said, unless you really know the man, you can't come to a conclusion that he was weak-minded or whatever. You have to really explore why Michael became who he became. It's not as simple as some folks think it was.