VoicesCarry said:

Yes, her sales can rise again. 450k for Discipline was not the disaster people think it was and is on par or significantly higher than some "major" acts have sold with their latest albums. If she gets a hit and promotes consistently, she can scan gold quite easily.

It's more important for her to regenerate her touring base, though, and that is what I believe she is focusing on at the moment with her American Idol performance and the Essence Festival.

I think the problem is that even if she has a song or album that does well with the public, she likely won't have significant numbers becuase nobody will. That is why she isn't in a rush to make a new album and find a new label.

VinnyM27 said:

VoicesCarry said:

Yes, her sales can rise again. 450k for Discipline was not the disaster people think it was and is on par or significantly higher than some "major" acts have sold with their latest albums. If she gets a hit and promotes consistently, she can scan gold quite easily.

It's more important for her to regenerate her touring base, though, and that is what I believe she is focusing on at the moment with her American Idol performance and the Essence Festival.

I think the problem is that even if she has a song or album that does well with the public, she likely won't have significant numbers becuase nobody will. That is why she isn't in a rush to make a new album and find a new label.

But she is working on hyping her live act - which is the smart thing to do right now.

NO

VoicesCarry said:

jcurley said:

Your nostalgia on Janet is very telling. i.e. You actually like the Jam and lewis stuff. Janet Jackson is an incredibly weak talent, only that princey/time thing gave her anything that would make you listen

Yes, an incredibly weak talent - which is why she is headlining major music festivals 30 years into her career.

Yeh and people say the same about Prince. Fame doesn't make you talented. The opinions remain regardless of festivals. The woman is weak lager and she was incredibly embarrassing at her brothers funeral do. What I'm saying is -she is incredibly successful and yet it appears that even she knows she is a musical fraud.

VinnyM27 said:

jcurley said:

Your nostalgia on Janet is very telling. i.e. You actually like the Jam and lewis stuff. Janet Jackson is an incredibly weak talent, only that princey/time thing gave her anything that would make you listen

Haters gonna hate!

Shut up. What is it with this place where the word hate is used so readily. I don't understand why people talk about JJ. To me it's like saying that the Spice Girls are the best. It is fine to enjoy JJ but don't rave coz she ain't as talent as Baby (Emma Bunton) Spice-for gods sake you have seen Fame and her duet with Cliff Richard

I would think fans would be more concerned about the quality of her

music versus sales. Not many artists are selling a lot of records these days.

It's highly unlikely she will ever go double platinum again but what if her sales

reaches goal status. The critics would label it a failure because of her past

success but if the album is good and it goes gold i would call it a success.

jcurley said:

VoicesCarry said:

Yes, an incredibly weak talent - which is why she is headlining major music festivals 30 years into her career.

Yeh and people say the same about Prince. Fame doesn't make you talented. The opinions remain regardless of festivals. The woman is weak lager and she was incredibly embarrassing at her brothers funeral do. What I'm saying is -she is incredibly successful and yet it appears that even she knows she is a musical fraud.

how the hell was she embarrassing at her brother's funeral???

jcurley said:

VoicesCarry said:

Yes, an incredibly weak talent - which is why she is headlining major music festivals 30 years into her career.

Yeh and people say the same about Prince. Fame doesn't make you talented. The opinions remain regardless of festivals. The woman is weak lager and she was incredibly embarrassing at her brothers funeral do. What I'm saying is -she is incredibly successful and yet it appears that even she knows she is a musical fraud.

No - what you're saying is you don't like her music. Period. Janet loves making music and continues to do so (and perform), so you clearly aren't speaking for her.

And no one in their right mind would consider her embarrassing at her brother's funeral. Sorry.

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Haters, STAY MAD.

Janet will always reign supreme. Reason why at appromixatly 11:20 pm CDT she's going to perform in front of a sold-out dome. While your pathetic, depressed, hating ass is siting at home.

seeingvoices12 said:

midiscover said:

No, hun. I don't find his nursery rhymes "genius", sorry

Those Nursery rhymes made an impact bigger than her flopfail already forgotten ,stale , lifeless rhymes.....sorry

you know, you're my buddy, but you're usually the main culprit when these threads go straight to hell

midiscover said:

Haters, STAY MAD.

Janet will always reign supreme. Reason why at appromixatly 11:20 pm CDT she's going to perform in front of a sold-out dome. While your pathetic, depressed, hating ass is siting at home.

YASSSSS!!

VoicesCarry said:

Yes, her sales can rise again. 450k for Discipline was not the disaster people think it was and is on par or significantly higher than some "major" acts have sold with their latest albums. If she gets a hit and promotes consistently, she can scan gold quite easily.

It's more important for her to regenerate her touring base, though, and that is what I believe she is focusing on at the moment with her American Idol performance and the Essence Festival.

Totally agree!

Unless midiscover wins the lottery and buys up all her albums, no.

VoicesCarry said:

VinnyM27 said:

I think the problem is that even if she has a song or album that does well with the public, she likely won't have significant numbers becuase nobody will. That is why she isn't in a rush to make a new album and find a new label.

But she is working on hyping her live act - which is the smart thing to do right now.

she should have finished her tour or scaled it down to finish it. If a certain artist could do a tour that loses money and walk away saying it was the best experience of her career because of the love she felt that Janet could have finished her tour.... i don't know if i'd pay money again to see her live.

ehuffnsd said:

If a certain artist could do a tour that loses money and walk away saying it was the best experience of her career because of the love she felt that Janet could have finished her tour.... i

Eh hello? What love? What best experience?. It was a bad decision to go on tour from the get-go. IDJ thought it would boost Disicpline's sales but we know how that turned out lol. Either way she wasn't happy with the tour.

its always the mj fanatics who come in janet threads throwin shade

Its always when something positive is happening we get threads like this Oh and the wacko Jacko stans always have their panties in a bunch when it comes to Janet. Poor them.

midiscover said:

Its always when something positive is happening we get threads like this Oh and the wacko Jacko stans always have their panties in a bunch when it comes to Janet. Poor them.

they have to stop being mad at janet because mj is gone, its not her fault. not liking her music or not liking her as a artist is one thing but some of them try to find any reason possible to hate her and its not healthy.hating mj's family is not gonna bring him back, im being dead ass serious. dont call mj wacko jacko, its not cool.dont bash him because his fans bash janet.

lowkey said:

midiscover said:

Its always when something positive is happening we get threads like this Oh and the wacko Jacko stans always have their panties in a bunch when it comes to Janet. Poor them.

they have to stop being mad at janet because mj is gone, its not her fault. not liking her music or not liking her as a artist is one thing but some of them try to find any reason possible to hate her and its not healthy.hating mj's family is not gonna bring him back, im being dead ass serious. dont call mj wacko jacko, its not cool.dont bash him because his fans bash janet.

Exactly!

Don't know about rising music sales but I would like to see her get with the right people and make a good solid album and possibly perform again!

*sigh* @ this entire thread.

Calling her embarassing at the funeral sounds so stupid, I wonder what you're going to look like when you go to a family member or friend's funeral someday.... I was told I'm acting pretty fucked up too on mj's memorial day, I couldn't cry unlike other family and was giddy, and I'm the biggest fan in the house.

And you want to compare her to spice girls, or Prince's whores like vanity? I don't believe they were involved in the creative process as she is, even if her voice or songs are not your cup of tea, she was more involved than she gets credit for.

I don't know what wacko jacko is and how this relates to our janet jackson discussion.

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trueiopian said:

ehuffnsd said:

If a certain artist could do a tour that loses money and walk away saying it was the best experience of her career because of the love she felt that Janet could have finished her tour.... i

Eh hello? What love? What best experience?. It was a bad decision to go on tour from the get-go. IDJ thought it would boost Disicpline's sales but we know how that turned out lol. Either way she wasn't happy with the tour.

Kylie lost money on her mintour of the US, but she did it anyway. she said it was one of the best experiences of her life, and endeared her to her fans more.

Janet, could have done a smaller venue tour or just finished the tour and she might have come off better for it. not to be callous but MJ's death came at the right time for her.

i've lovd janet since i was little she was my first concert and the first cd i bought with my own money and blah blah blah, but the way she treated her fans on the tour by canceling or ocming with the lame jackson excuses for not performing really kinda turned me off.

ehuffnsd said:

trueiopian said:

Eh hello? What love? What best experience?. It was a bad decision to go on tour from the get-go. IDJ thought it would boost Disicpline's sales but we know how that turned out lol. Either way she wasn't happy with the tour.

Kylie lost money on her mintour of the US, but she did it anyway. she said it was one of the best experiences of her life, and endeared her to her fans more.

Janet, could have done a smaller venue tour or just finished the tour and she might have come off better for it. not to be callous but MJ's death came at the right time for her.

i've lovd janet since i was little she was my first concert and the first cd i bought with my own money and blah blah blah, but the way she treated her fans on the tour by canceling or ocming with the lame jackson excuses for not performing really kinda turned me off.

The Roc wit U tour was my favorite tour out of all of hers. Because i can tell she did it for her fans.....I rather her cancel if she didn't feel like it then to do a half ass show tour....

ehuffnsd said:

trueiopian said:

Eh hello? What love? What best experience?. It was a bad decision to go on tour from the get-go. IDJ thought it would boost Disicpline's sales but we know how that turned out lol. Either way she wasn't happy with the tour.

Kylie lost money on her mintour of the US, but she did it anyway. she said it was one of the best experiences of her life, and endeared her to her fans more.

Janet, could have done a smaller venue tour or just finished the tour and she might have come off better for it. not to be callous but MJ's death came at the right time for her.

i've lovd janet since i was little she was my first concert and the first cd i bought with my own money and blah blah blah, but the way she treated her fans on the tour by canceling or ocming with the lame jackson excuses for not performing really kinda turned me off.

I met her the day before she got sick and she was so sweet, after I got my pic and told her I love her, she stopped and turned to me to reply back and I was speechless, such a sweetie

ehuffnsd said:

trueiopian said:

Eh hello? What love? What best experience?. It was a bad decision to go on tour from the get-go. IDJ thought it would boost Disicpline's sales but we know how that turned out lol. Either way she wasn't happy with the tour.

Kylie lost money on her mintour of the US, but she did it anyway. she said it was one of the best experiences of her life, and endeared her to her fans more.

Janet, could have done a smaller venue tour or just finished the tour and she might have come off better for it. not to be callous but MJ's death came at the right time for her.

i've lovd janet since i was little she was my first concert and the first cd i bought with my own money and blah blah blah, but the way she treated her fans on the tour by canceling or ocming with the lame jackson excuses for not performing really kinda turned me off.

Well, that's Kylie. Janet is Janet. Do you honestly think LiveNation was going to continue backing up a tour that wasn't bringing in any money? They have enough performers who bring in money plus more.

and I hope you're not saying that MJ's death has helped Janet in anyway. If so, that's stupid and you're wrong. 'Make Me' didn't even chart on the Hot 100 let alone the Bubbling Under one so your logic has failed.

The one thing I hate is when people try to tell others what makes them happy. Janet was obviously not happy with the RWU tour. If she's not happy with it, why continue it? Now I agree the way she handled the situation was unprofessional and all but maybe it wasn't her own doing. She lives for her profession but I always thought the spark was missing that entire era. Now she's talking about feeling 'free' because she's not under any contract. So like I said, I highly doubt LiveNation would've continued to back up that tour even if she wanted them to.

bboy87 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Those Nursery rhymes made an impact bigger than her flopfail already forgotten ,stale , lifeless rhymes.....sorry

you know, you're my buddy, but you're usually the main culprit when these threads go straight to hell

I really wasn't serious ,and I responded the same manner midcover's did, its all fun.

Im usually the main culprit when these threads go to hell?

I think she was upset def jam was not promoting the album like LA Reid promised, and they were releasing singles she didn't want to release and things like that. Something about her doing interviews and performances in the beginning of the promos didn't mesh very well with me from the start, even though IMO the album is her best one of the decade along with All For You. I thought the tour was amazing too, I thought it was her best one from them all though looking back I didn't like all of the outfits, I loved the setlist.

janet will never fall she is a legend the world see what they wanna see when they wanna bring somebody down but janet is the shit and always will be