Layzie said:

midiscover said:

Bottomline, that had nothing to do with the topic of this thread

I didn't bring it up so...

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What's with all the Alicia hate recently=[

She is a great singer in this generation of shit and i mean...

She's one of the few artists who doesn't get naked every video she make's she doesn't speak dirty or ill she is an enjoyable musician, And i know sometimes not all of her singles are fantastic but i think she's one of the best artists of the past 10 years and that she has a beautiful voice but hey that's just my two penny's

I don't hate her. I actually dug The Diary. But something about her always threw me off besides her trying too hard sometimes when she sings.

Timmy84 said:

I don't hate her. I actually dug The Diary. But something about her always threw me off besides her trying too hard sometimes when she sings.

She always struck me as another Clive Davis fabrication on some smoke an' mirrors shit. There's no genuine-ness to her at ALL.

SCNDLS said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't hate her. I actually dug The Diary. But something about her always threw me off besides her trying too hard sometimes when she sings.

She always struck me as another Clive Davis fabrication on some smoke an' mirrors shit. There's no genuine-ness to her at ALL.

Just because you serve shit on a silver platter, doesn't mean I'll be tempted by the glitter because the stank is already on full display.

Nothing really against her personally, I'm sure she's a decent gal, but I'm sick of being obliged to jump the bandwagon and praise mediocrity just because the tag says "she's the next Roberta Flack or so & so", if folks like her, gravy, but it doesn't make me a hater for being bored to a semi-coma with the broad's music.

I think Alicia Keys is really pretty, very photogenic and in possession of a good set of pipes. She's the perfect package for commercial success. Are there better singers out there? Yes. Many.

Keyumdi said:

I think Alicia Keys is really pretty, very photogenic and in possession of a good set of pipes. She's the perfect package for commercial success. Are there better singers out there? Yes. Many.

In other words, she's what Whitney Houston was. A perfect package. Well the both have that Clive Davis connection so you can connect the dots. Alicia's strengths are she can play instruments and writes all of her stuff.

Gunsnhalen said:

What's with all the Alicia hate recently=[

She is a great singer in this generation of shit and i mean...

She's one of the few artists who doesn't get naked every video she make's she doesn't speak dirty or ill she is an enjoyable musician, And i know sometimes not all of her singles are fantastic but i think she's one of the best artists of the past 10 years and that she has a beautiful voice but hey that's just my two penny's

she might be one of the "best artist of the decade" but compared to artist of other decades she is S***. AND she is so boring. Alicia keys is just not a great artist.

thing is that 3-4 albums an artist it does not make you. This discussion has gone on forever, mainly about Alicia. And heres how it goes, the mainstream today can only handle about 5 artists at a time if even that many, and it markets and hypes the shit out of them till it gets what it can get from them. You see industry today is set up WAY different than the 70's and 80's, U have to sell now, not tomorrow not album 4 or 5 or 6 like Prince and so many others did (rem,inxs,u2 etc). So you are going to get bombarded by Beyonce, Rihanna, Alicia, and a few others. Years ago you were hit with MJ,JJ,prince,Madonna,Bruce,Elton,Billy,George and a slew of others but the difference is/was that people bought all these artists, and they were all in the mainstream, they werent underground or you didnt find their music under a fucking rock, today no one is buying, dont let one or two weeks of chart numbers fool you, most people load their iPods with shit they got for free, so why market 50 artists when they can throw about 5 at you, thats how it goes now. So alicia being good or bad isnt really an issue that people have a problem with, more of which it comes down to she is always thrown at you, and thats another issue that doesnt even really concern her.

lastdecember said:

You see industry today is set up WAY different than the 70's and 80's, U have to sell now, not tomorrow not album 4 or 5 or 6 like Prince and so many others did (rem,inxs,u2 etc).

But she IS on album 4 or 5 now (five counting the Unplugged album).

I enjoyed her debut so much because I knew she was a brand new promising artist showing so much potential. I just feel like we should have been seeing more of this brilliance by now.

It's probably folly to compare her (or any artist) to Prince, but at her age she could have had her Sign 'O' The Times already.

Cinnie said:

lastdecember said:

You see industry today is set up WAY different than the 70's and 80's, U have to sell now, not tomorrow not album 4 or 5 or 6 like Prince and so many others did (rem,inxs,u2 etc).

But she IS on album 4 or 5 now (five counting the Unplugged album).

I enjoyed her debut so much because I knew she was a brand new promising artist showing so much potential. I just feel like we should have been seeing more of this brilliance by now.

It's probably folly to compare her (or any artist) to Prince, but at her age she could have had her Sign 'O' The Times already.

but then thats believing the HYPE. to say she "should" be because Prince was there, is totally different and you cant expect that, because PRINCE was in an enviroment of competition that forced him to rise and change, Prince can deny these things but he was always trying to outdo his contemps at the time, he wanted to outdo U2 and others, nowadays, no one is doing this, because music comes last on the list of things, you have your look, your videos, etc...and then comes the music

lastdecember said:

Cinnie said:

But she IS on album 4 or 5 now (five counting the Unplugged album).

I enjoyed her debut so much because I knew she was a brand new promising artist showing so much potential. I just feel like we should have been seeing more of this brilliance by now.

It's probably folly to compare her (or any artist) to Prince, but at her age she could have had her Sign 'O' The Times already.

but then thats believing the HYPE. to say she "should" be because Prince was there, is totally different and you cant expect that, because PRINCE was in an enviroment of competition that forced him to rise and change, Prince can deny these things but he was always trying to outdo his contemps at the time, he wanted to outdo U2 and others, nowadays, no one is doing this, because music comes last on the list of things, you have your look, your videos, etc...and then comes the music

You're so right! I was/am guilty of believing the hype.

And that so true about the difference between then and now, of the competitive environment

That all rang true, clear as a bell

Alicia Keys competing means writing "Put It In A Love Song" and dueting with Beyonce.

Prince competing (with U2) meant writing "The Cross" or whatever.

Cinnie said:

Alicia Keys competing means writing "Put It In A Love Song" and dueting with Beyonce.

Prince competing (with U2) meant writing "The Cross" or whatever.

Exactly!! I mean it all comes down to that, i mean we know the infamous "BAD" story of Michael and Prince duetting, had they been artists in todays mainstream that would have been HYPED from day one, and would have happend. I want my artists to compete not do collabos and show "love". I dont want Depeche Mode on a-ha's albums, and vice versa, i mean did Motley Crue jump on every rock bands records in the 80's no it got stronger and did Dr. FeelGood and blew the Warrants and Winger's away. Alicia is a good artist and has talent, but, there is a line that is holding her back, and thats the bottom line (meaning companys money) and im not one of those people that feels you should always try something new, i dont want Alicia doing country just like i wouldnt want Air Supply to work with Lil Wayne, U expect certain things from artists but their "change" always needs to be within and not part of a "board meetings decision", i feel ALL too many times these "experimentations and collabos" are all drawn up by some dude in a meeting saying that will move units lets hype that shit now.

So Beyonce and Alicia and host of others, could go further into that competition by actually outdoing each other on record and not on each others records.

Cinnie said:

lastdecember said:

but then thats believing the HYPE. to say she "should" be because Prince was there, is totally different and you cant expect that, because PRINCE was in an enviroment of competition that forced him to rise and change, Prince can deny these things but he was always trying to outdo his contemps at the time, he wanted to outdo U2 and others, nowadays, no one is doing this, because music comes last on the list of things, you have your look, your videos, etc...and then comes the music

You're so right! I was/am guilty of believing the hype.

And that so true about the difference between then and now, of the competitive environment

That all rang true, clear as a bell

Well when its thrown at you 24/7 what else can you do but buy it to some degree, i really just take it with a grain of salt, because i know its not going to get better and be what it was, not Alicia, just the idea of challenging each other to new levels, i mean there are a few of these things, but it seems like its always the older artists that are challenging themselves more than the new ones are. Music is at a loss today, we can all say search for it its there if u look, but be real, how many are going to do that when they are out of work and barely making their rent, music is last on their minds, for kids today or just getting into their 20's music isnt even "SEEN" today, what i mean by that is, its nowhere U go, i walked all through Manhattan today and saw about 400 cell phone stores and about 200 sneaker stores, and about 4 music stores, u do that math.

lastdecember said:

Cinnie said:

Alicia Keys competing means writing "Put It In A Love Song" and dueting with Beyonce.

Prince competing (with U2) meant writing "The Cross" or whatever.

Exactly!! I mean it all comes down to that, i mean we know the infamous "BAD" story of Michael and Prince duetting, had they been artists in todays mainstream that would have been HYPED from day one, and would have happend. I want my artists to compete not do collabos and show "love". I dont want Depeche Mode on a-ha's albums, and vice versa, i mean did Motley Crue jump on every rock bands records in the 80's no it got stronger and did Dr. FeelGood and blew the Warrants and Winger's away. Alicia is a good artist and has talent, but, there is a line that is holding her back, and thats the bottom line (meaning companys money) and im not one of those people that feels you should always try something new, i dont want Alicia doing country just like i wouldnt want Air Supply to work with Lil Wayne, U expect certain things from artists but their "change" always needs to be within and not part of a "board meetings decision", i feel ALL too many times these "experimentations and collabos" are all drawn up by some dude in a meeting saying that will move units lets hype that shit now.

So Beyonce and Alicia and host of others, could go further into that competition by actually outdoing each other on record and not on each others records.

I hate the R&B/rap collabo shit. I mean Alicia has a decent single out now that's easy on

the ears and she had to fuck it up by doing a remix of it with Drake. Come on is this

where it's at.

She's aiight. It's not even so much of a matter of technique with her, its she has no clue about phrasing, and coming in with her full voice at the right times. She starts off early and ends up blowing out her voice because she runs out of breath. All she needs to do is listening to Rufus/Chaka Khan's "Sweet Thing" to get a good idea of timing, emotional content, and when to let it loose.

phunkdaddy said:

I hate the R&B/rap collabo shit. I mean Alicia has a decent single out now that's easy on

the ears and she had to fuck it up by doing a remix of it with Drake. Come on is this

where it's at.

Didn't Drake co-write Unthinkable?

BlaqueKnight said:

phunkdaddy said:

I hate the R&B/rap collabo shit. I mean Alicia has a decent single out now that's easy on

the ears and she had to fuck it up by doing a remix of it with Drake. Come on is this

where it's at.

Didn't Drake co-write Unthinkable?

I don't know cuz i never checked Drake outside of his mess of a performance

on B.E.T awards last year. I couldn't even name one song by Drake.

phunkdaddy said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Didn't Drake co-write Unthinkable?

I don't know cuz i never checked Drake outside of his mess of a performance

on B.E.T awards last year. I couldn't even name one song by Drake.

Sorry, that was kinda rhetorical. Drake is credited as the co-writer of the song. Actually, i you read the lyrics, they do sound like a Drake song. That would be why he's on a remix. I'm far from a fan of his work but I do give credit where its due.

Her performance last night only proved my point.

midiscover said:

Her performance last night only proved my point.

Yes she was brilliant.

Keyumdi said:

midiscover said:

Her performance last night only proved my point.

Yes she was off key.

I agree.

midiscover said:

Keyumdi said:

Yes she was off key.

I agree.

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midiscover said:

Keyumdi said:

Yes she was off key.

I agree.

Sounded fucking horrible live

midiscover said:

Keyumdi said:

Yes she was off key.

I agree.

When is Alica "off" Keys ever on key?

In my opinion, she's uneven. There are some songs of hers that I really like and think she handles very well with her own style. But, many songs leave me wondering what all the hype is about.

Diary of Alicia Keys is my favorite album, if I had to choose one.

She's a favorite of BET and the black entertainment press and can apparently do no wrong. But, at this point she's really not that exciting overall. But, I respect her for actually playing an instrument and writing some of her own stuff.

Eh:-? Ive heard way better....