I just heard somethin I never heard before. Is it true that Michael was foolin around with Debbie while Lisa and him were still married and she ended up getting pregnant with their first child but had a miscarriage? Is that why Lisa was so tight?

I'm trying to put two and two together.

musicjunky318 said:

That's from J. Randy's second to last update of The Magic And The Madness

bboy87 said:

What do you think of that book? I found it before few days at the virgin megastore but I was hesitant to buy it, I know Randy is tabloid whore, there was another book called “life”

Man y'all ever noticed that the part before the breakdown on Scream...

Oh my God, can't believe what I saw
As I turned on the TV this evening

You know how right before that passage there is a sound of a television channel switching then test pattern tone. I think it is sampled from the last channel switch of "Interlude: T.V." on Rhythm Nation 1814.

musicjunky318 said:

I´ve heard about that, too. But even if she wasn´t pregnant before having Prince and didn´t have a miscariage, still when you look at the timeline, it seems like it: MJ and LMP divorced in August 1996 and Prince was born in February 1997. That´s 7 months and pregnancy lasts 9 months, right? So she must have gotten pregnant while they were still married.
Maybe that´s why she chokes up and sounds so hurt at 0:26. I think they both had their share in their break-up.

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dag said:

http://findarticles.com/p..._17921023/

No...I do not believe that Michael cheated on Lisa. He loved her very much. He described her as "perfect" in the "Michael Jackson Tapes". Randy Tabourelli is stirring up drama where there is none. Lisa knew she was going to leave Michael early on in their marriage. She purposely did not give him a child because she knew of the fierce custody that would ensue. Personally, I think that's a low blow, denying Michael of his child, even from the very start. They officially separated Dec. 10, 1995. Michael was devastated. He wanted a child, and Debbie offered. Simple as that.

Damn, I sure do wish their marriage would've lasted. I don't think MJ would've had all those problems later on if she had remained in his life.

SherryJackson said:

Perfect? I gotta read the MJ tapes again? Anyway, you´re right, I remember that Mike was in NY hospital in winter and that´s when they broke up, but I wasn´t sure about the date, so I looked it up and came across this. How do you know she knew she was going to leave him early in their marriage?
Well, she surely made a huge mistake by not giving him a child cause she knew before they´d get married that he wanted them desperately and it wasn´t right of her to pretend she was gonna give them to him. I wonder if they´d get married if Michael knew she wasn´t gonna give him a child. Well, maybe she wanted to, but wasn´t sure how it´s gonna turn out so maybe she wanted to wait to see if it´s gonna last first cuase they did got married real fast. Who knows. But even if that´s the case, she should have let him know cause Mike seemed like he believed they were "working" on one from the very beginning.

dag said:

Well, if memory serves me correctly, he described Lisa Marie and Brooke (Shields) as "perfect" women. Don't quote me officially, cuz it's been a while myself since I looked up that chapter. And yes, she made a huge mistake not giving him a child. From what I gather, I don't think she wanted a baby again. She was already a mother from her previous marriage and according to MJ (paraphrased) "believed in her own children, no other". He loved her children, but he wanted to have children of his own, badly. And he wanted them with her. *sigh* I don't think he would've married her if he knew there was no chance at all of her ever giving him a child. But...I'm not Michael, and I cannot make judgements for him. Just my opinion. Truth be told, he loved Lisa. But I think she was too immature for him, and never really understood him (his universal love for all children, his skin disorder, his image (concerning make-up use), his self-esteem problems, etc). Never did. But if I give her credit for one thing...it'll be that she helped him get into rehab and supported him during the first molestation accusation (and the trial later on, releasing a statement in his defense). But that's where my admiration for her ends.

Not this Bitch again

seeingvoices12 said:

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SherryJackson said:

Not you..


The talentless hag, hypocritical two-faced bitch Lisa Marie Presley

I loved how Lisa always seemed to stick up for Michael while they were married.
It made me so happy he had someone like her in his life. I often wonder how differently his life would have worked out, had the marriage work. I'll never
forget on Prime Time live when Michael turned to Lisa and sang the words, "I would like to sing with you, would you like to sing with me?" and she gave him that adoring/silly look only a couple could exchange.

As for JRT's book, have to stand up and defend it, one of his sources for that book (and the definitive edition of it coming out later this year) was Lisa Marie herself, so I don't think he just made up some "tabloid lies" regarding the marriage itself, or what went on. If you wanna start beef with an MJ author, go for Ian or that POS, Christopher Anderson who wrote "Unauthorized" - "The Magic and The Madness" is the ultimate MJ bio. Deal with it.

Random topic changes:

"Threatened" would have been such an awesome music video.

Who saw this episode of Boondocks when MLK gave a speech
that said directly to Usher, "MJ isn't a musical genre" If not,
enjoy this.


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seeingvoices12 said:

My bad....I was just checking in case I offended you in some way. Thankful I didn't. Carry on!

mookie said:

When I first heard that they had gotten married, I thought they were a really odd couple, but after I got to see what Lisa is like and get more insight into Michael, I really think they made a good pair. I wish she was strong enough to work through whatever problems they had.

SherryJackson said:

It's my understanding that Lisa had left him before he got Debbie pregnant, but he and Lisa were still technically married.

seeingvoices12 said:

I've read most of the book. It's worth reading, but I take what it says with a grain of salt.

My favorite part of the book is the story about the Moonies. That was too funny.

tmo1965 said:

I read the latest version of the book. It's true that you should take it with a grain of salt. A part of me couldn't get over how he came across so pissed off in the chapters about the allegations in 2003. He almost seemed to make a case AGAINST MJ in the book. He admitted that it was because he was angry with MJ for putting himself in the same situation as the '93 allegations. But from what I've read, MJ himself has said that of all the bios, JRT is the only one closest to the truth with his life.

bboy87 said:

I wouldn't follow anything that Randy taraborelli says. He admitted that everything he writes on Michael is based on his interpretation of his life... as oppose to factual sources.

Some of the stuff Randy talks about doesn't make sense to me. So yeah I take some of it with grains of salt.

Timmy84 said:

I agree with you.

You see everyone has a claim to Michael Jackson.. The hell he must have went through.

"For The Record" is being published in Russia in July

bboy87 said:

Only Russia

Can you all get to KOP board? I get an "ISP driver error" message.

dag said:

Nope, I can't either.

To my little MJ clique on the org, we should all buy these shirts and wear em:

Vanilli said:

Good one.

I would love to wear that. I hate it if someone likes my shirt and thinks in the back of their head I just started liking him cause I look 10 years younger than I am.

Vanilli said:

Naw, can't do it because we go way back