Adore You
Boy No
Changes
Days In Gloucestershire
Don’t Be Messin’
Hollywood
I Am A Loser
Innocent Man
Jungle
Just Remember
Light The Way
Neverland Landing
Pray For Peace
Rocker
Thank Heaven
World Of Candy

bboy87 said:

great find

bboy87 said:

Yes, I am.

MOL said:

MOL said:

Naive? yeah
Too trusting? yeah
Stubborn? yes

Stupid? NOPE

and what kind of fan would call him stupid? Did he make stupid decisions? yes but doesn't mean he was stupid. That means he was human
[Edited 5/1/10 13:18pm]

seeingvoices12 said:

I'm already looking for recording dates and more info

seeingvoices12 said:

I dont have to "try hard" to be objective, i just am.

A positive documentary does not balance out or undo all the negative ones. It was too poitive, nobody will take this seriously, unfortunately.

And then there's Ms. Jones, who is like, in love with MJ, I mean, have u seen her blog? Shes like "hes so beautiful." Come on.

bboy87 said:

Such a copout. How many stupid things does someone have to do before we're allowed to call them stupid?

Name a number, and I'll list more.

He was a pure soul and a genius. But that doesnt mean he wasnt stupid at all. What if Shakespear couldn't add 2 + 2? Einsten couldnt spell? U get my drift.

bboy87 said:

Please do that, I’m really interested in those things..

I posted the titles on MJCC, they find them hard to believe , especially the title “I’m A loser” ….

seeingvoices12 said:

I love Chris, too bad hes gotten so fat now, he cant play crackheads anymore.

sleepyq said:

Sorry but you are not objective at all, even though you try but it never works so

Fail

She finds him beautiful so what? Why does that bother you ? We’ve seen enough all negative documentaries trashing his name when he was alive, in fact, every mockamentary about him was negative , why can’t we get a positive one for once ?

sleepyq said:

Nope, not a copout, just how I feel
Like I said, he made stupid mistakes. Hell, I can make a list of things he did that made go WTF? or shake my head. But does that make him a stupid individual? No

I love Tupac, and think he was a genius, but he did things and said things that was downright stupid (Blaming Biggie for the '94 shooting, signing with Death Row, helping escalate the West Coast/East Coast Beef, making "Hit 'Em Up"). But do I think he was stupid? No

seeingvoices12 said:

Really?

Some of these titles were known (I knew about 5 of them previously)

Some fans need to go and read "For The Record"

seeingvoices12 said:

Ur like my favorite poster. Ur so easy to rile up and ur arguments r always WEAK as hell.

2 wrongs dont make a right. The main problem is that they needed more time. 1 hour is not enoug to cover everything involving the case. At least 3 hours would be needed to cover all the details of BOTH cases. There were a lot of things in MJ's favor (and against him) that were left off.

the details about identifying his penis
the 1st case not bein able to go to criminal trial
Sneddon goin overseas lookin for victims
all the illegal things the prosecution did
the amount of $$ spent on the case
Details of Nevaland ranch
Other "victims"
Witnesses
MJ's inapproriate behavior (point blank)

The whole thing just had like a million holes in it. If they was gonna defened MJ, they needed to get into it. Becuz they didnt scratch much surface, it ended up just bein a love letter with nothin to back it up. I'll be lookin to another, more detailed and objective doc that can successfully defend MJ without comin across like a smut fest.

its so easy to post here and point out what MJ could have been or should have been. but the fact is none of you had to deal with any sort of life he had been dealing with. Yall just chilling behind your computer. A lot of you in here make me vomit.

sleepyq said:

Flop

What a flop of a post

Again….. Fail you try so hard to be an objective fan but it always end up in failure so again

Fail

You wanted his irresponsible actions to be highlighted so I’m telling you that All those things you mentioned were discussed heavily on different mackamentaries when he was alive , we need a great all positive one to clear people minds from the brainwashing of the media and that was a great one, I enjoyed it, if you didn’t like it its ok , don’t watch it, but don’t say that people won’t take anything seriously because you don’t know ….

seeingvoices12 said:

There's a handwritten paper (clearly Michael's) with the lyrics of "Innocent man". While it is definitely hard to believe he wrote a song titled "I'm a loser", songs like "Innocent Man" make sense.

Anyway, just found this pic of LMP (Karma came back in the form of fatness): http://www.zimbio.com/Lis...165+Pounds

Sounds like photoshop [I mean...we're talking about National Enquirer] but we can always laugh at her.

MOL said:

you simply don't know, Im not saying those titles are 100% real but we simply don't know when it comes to MJ.

NMuzakNSoul said:

THANK YOU!

Timmy84 said:

bboy87 said:

Thanks Bboy for posting these. Finally got to watch it and thought it was a well presented piece. Whilst many fans want to still vilify Aphrodite Jones and the media in general, I think it was brave of her to actually stand up and say "you know what, I was wrong", and to publish her book Conspiracy. Especially in a period when pro-MJ works were few and far between.

As for comments that it was too one-sided - I didn't see that as much as others might. I guess it all depends on your point of view going in. Obviously in one hour show you have only so much ground to cover, and in this one it was dealing with the allegations (not the morality of whether MJ should have known better). But when it comes to the allegations the truth is there is no middle ground, he either did it or didn't. And trust me it's a lot harder to prove you didn't do something, that it is to prove you did. So if it came off as one-sided, then maybe it's only because for years we've had the media say, or insinuate, that he was guilty, when the facts are coming to light that perhaps after all he was indeed innocent.

As for the part in the documentary where Messarau talks about "people coming forward after his death who wouldn't support him in the trial" its all pointless speculation as to who they may be.

I've seen names here bantied about like LMP, Bruce Sweeden, Brooke Shields and some just seem to want to be hating on people for the sake of it. We don't know who they were and speculating is getting into as much character judgement as others have about Michael.

And for the record, Brooke Shields (as all the speakers at the funeral) was asked by the family to speak at the memorial. And as far as the hate that seems reserved for LMP, cut the lady some slack. She has come forward after Michael's death and made some loving and heartfelt statements, and in many instances set the record straight on their marriage and relationship.

These people, like Michael, are only human. And will make mistakes. And for many who have spoken publicly in the media many seemed to be acknowledging that they turned their back on him, and regret it. In talking about him they may be wanting to make peace. And that's only human too.

So cut them some slack, and be willing to let it go. Delighting in negative news about anyone is a waste of time, and in my opinion makes you no better than people who delight in negativity about michael.

sleepyq said:

Enough said.

Has anyone seen this? This is a film made by one of Thomas Mesereau's lawyers who workded on the trial. It's a bit long but it includes the interview of the Arviso family that was meant for the Part 2 rebuttal and Gavin's police interview. That family is unbelievable.

Swa said:

Timmy84 said:

MOL said:

Yeah, consider the source on that one. Or maybe she's pregnant again?!

Vanilli said:

that is soooo cute!

ViintageJunkiie said:

where the hell you been?!