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Reply #1230 posted 07/13/09 12:34am

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DesireeNevermind said:

okay that article is complete bonkers because 11/07/2009 aint even here yet! rolleyes

that woman was hardly the closest of his family members either. sheesh.


michael wanted to give up the music business and become a movie director and direct a horro film called thriller? where they get this nonsense from? disbelief

[Edited 7/11/09 15:48pm]
[Edited 7/11/09 15:50pm]


In the UK, they print dates differently from the USA. 11/7/2009 is translated as the 11th of July 2009.
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Reply #1231 posted 07/13/09 12:40am

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My god Latoya was gorgeous. Her and Michael were definitley the stunners of the family. Is it positive that interview is for real?


Right..... lol confused

I dont get what your saying right to or what the laugh out loud or confused face is about?
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Reply #1232 posted 07/13/09 12:43am

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I love all these 'home' movies. heart


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Reply #1233 posted 07/13/09 12:44am

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Bryan Loren shares his memories with MJ




Saturday, July 11, 2009

Michael and Me
Current mood: melancholy


Philadelphia, Pa.- Wow. This is really tough for me.

It’s always hard losing someone that you called friend. But even more when you felt that they really understood some part of you that most people don’t. For me, that was Michael.

I spent a lot of time with Michael. Yes, a lot of time in the studio, but a lot of personal time as well. Among other times, Michael spent at least one Christmas and one Thanksgiving at my house. Just the two of us. We spent a lot of time talking. About life, music, art, movies, people, women(yes, women), and what it meant for him to be who he was at the time in which he lived. We talked about Elvis. He actually conjectured as to whether his musical legacy would be considered as great as Elvis'. I always assured him it would. I was with him in N.Y. working on ‘History’ around the time he first started seeing Lisa Marie. I was actually even a little jealous, then. I’d always thought she was very attractive(lol). I was with him when he decided he was going to the Oscars with Madonna. I stayed at, and went back and forth to Neverland. I spent many days at the ‘Hideout’. This was a condo that Michael had in Westwood, in L.A. I remember going with him into a room there where he kept a lot of the wardrobe from the ‘Bad’ tour. He showed me a jacket that I’d seen him wear on stage during the ‘Thriller’ performance. It looked like the one in the video, with the exception that it was loaded with neon lights that he would turn on during the dance routine. I put it on. This jacket was HEAVY. It seemed to have weighed 30 or more pounds. To think, he wore this during a big dance routine. It was then that I realized how strong he was for his very lean frame. On several occasions, we drove in this big white pick-up truck he used to drive, to Tower Records. Before going into the store, he would put on some glasses, a hat and these really weird teeth. Invariably, someone would recognize and watch him, but usually people would repectfully allow him to shop. I remember once being on the 101 freeway coming from the Hideout on the way to the studio in my car, with Michael in my passenger seat. At some point, a man driving on the passenger side of my car looks in the window at Mike, curly hair and Fedora in tow. Does a double-take and shruggs his shoulders as if to say ‘nah, couldn’t be’. Now that was funny. Then, there’s the people. The endless parade of high-profile people I met, just because I was with him when they showed up. From Michael Milken to Eddie Murphy, Steve Wynne, and Little Richard. I did the arrangement on the song he wrote for the Sigfried and Roy show in Los Vagas. The list goes on.

I still have the Fedora I took off his head while he was annoyingly poking at a plate of food I was eating at the studio one day, making him recoil because he had ‘hat-hair’(lol). I remember clearly the day he brought Bubbles(the chimp) to the studio, and Bubbles hit me(open-hand) in my chest(that s$%t hurt!). I wanted nothing to do with the chimp after that. Michael said it meant he liked me. He could not have been more amused. We shared laughter about things that only we knew. We could be in a room full of people, and either one of us could make the other laugh about something that would have others thinking ‘what’s so funny?’ It really made me feel special when Michael told me how talented he thought I was, knowing what the whole world thought of him. Likewise it was a special feeling working with him.

We recorded some twenty-plus tracks together. Sadly, many of these we never finished. But when we did do vocals, beyond his lead work it was always a pleasure to listen to this man lay background harmonies. His voice was truly unique. Really pure tone, and great intonation. On The Simpson's song ‘Do The Bartman’, the background vocals in the bridge are just me(contrary to what the press believed at that time). But, the harmonies in the chorus are performed by the two of us. We are each, singing each part harmony. We did them simultaniously. It was a quick, and painless process. I mixed the record, and I promise you all the vocals are equal gain. That’s two people, and it’s tight! It was really cool for me, as I’d never so easily before doubled with someone doing background vocals. He did the backing chorus voices on ‘To Satisfy You’ from my ‘Music From The New World’ CD because I’d written it for him, for 'Dangerous'. When it was decided he wasn’t going to use it, I told him I wanted to keep his vocals and put it on my record. He said, ‘Of course’. We actually did the finishing work on ‘Superfly Sister’ from ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ a few years after I’d already done the track, as this was a song that I started writing during the ‘Dangerous’ sessions. Which made me feel it was always possible that we might revist some of the other music we’d started all that time ago. This was not unusual for Michael, as in the case of ‘They Don’t Care About Us’ from the ‘History’ album. This was a song that he’d started even before I joined him for 'Dangerous'. One of the first things I heard was this song, but it got bumped at that time. ‘Earth Song’ was also started during 'Dangerous'.

'Dangerous' was a rough period for me as well. As we’d recorded so much music and none of it was used for that project, and much else occured that I won’t go into here. But, I will say that I spent a great deal of enjoyable time with Michael and made some great music with him as well. There are some songs that even in there unfinished format, you can hear their potential. And over the next few months I will be posting some of those that have enough content to hear that potential.

When we began working, it was my hope to return to a form of feeling that you got from the 'Off The Wall' or even the 'Thriller' Lp. Where there was a very organic feeling about the content. ‘Work That Body’, is complete with Michael repeating(at my behest) the rap from The Jackson Five’s ‘ABC’. He DID NOT want to do this(lol), but realized the toungue-in-cheek fun contained in it. I produced this track, and am performing all of the music. There are no sequencers on it, as I do not generally use them in the course of my work. The two of us wrote the lyric and melody.

Ironically, I’d intended a while ago to post this and other songs that we’d done together because somehow, they’d been leaked to the internet. I would occasionally get email here at Myspace and otherwise asking if I had done this work. Well, to finally and officially answer that question: yes. A bunch of these are my songs, produced by me and co-written with Michael. It is sad that this would be the occasion to finally get to this, but I suppose people who love Michael would especially now like to hear work of his that was unreleased. There is also some amount of catharsis for me in this process.

I am proud to have produced and written for Michael. I am also proud to have called him my peer, and my friend. We shared a friendship that he had with very few people. It was very special to me. I am deeply saddened by his sudden, and untimely passing. My best wishes and sympathy go out to his children and all of the Jackson family. It goes without saying, he will be missed. R.I.P., big bruh...
[Edited 7/12/09 17:54pm]

Thank you for posting it. I love reading these.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #1234 posted 07/13/09 12:45am

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After seeing this video, I was reminded of the guilt that lingers after the leaving the JW religion. As I understand it, his primary reason for leaving was because LaToya was disfellowshipped and he didn't like having to choose between religion and family. This video was made about 16 years ago...one of the few where he seems like a real person, not like he's not acting or reading from a script.

The video made me want to laugh and cry at the same time. I do hope he got over the guilt and just enjoyed all the holidays for what they are...FUN, and a time to be with those who love you.







I love the fact that something as simple as a Super Soaker was like the BEST present he could have ever received. mushy I felt sad when he said that he went in the bathroom,and cried,because he felt like he had done something wrong. There was nothing he had to feel guilty about. sad
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Reply #1235 posted 07/13/09 12:53am

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oh for fuck's sake, LaToya confused

It that interview real?
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #1236 posted 07/13/09 1:30am

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EmeraldSkies said:

noimageatall said:

After seeing this video, I was reminded of the guilt that lingers after the leaving the JW religion. As I understand it, his primary reason for leaving was because LaToya was disfellowshipped and he didn't like having to choose between religion and family. This video was made about 16 years ago...one of the few where he seems like a real person, not like he's not acting or reading from a script.

The video made me want to laugh and cry at the same time. I do hope he got over the guilt and just enjoyed all the holidays for what they are...FUN, and a time to be with those who love you.







I love the fact that something as simple as a Super Soaker was like the BEST present he could have ever received. mushy I felt sad when he said that he went in the bathroom,and cried,because he felt like he had done something wrong. There was nothing he had to feel guilty about. sad

I know... sad

I re-watched all of the Home Video movies that were shown on FOX...seems like so long ago. The world is a much sadder place with him gone.
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Reply #1237 posted 07/13/09 3:39am

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Michael didn’t just moonwalk his way into our hearts, he wrote about social issues of the day: From his duet with sister Janet titled “Scream” comes: “Tired of injustice/ tired of the schemes/ I’m kinda disgusted/ so what does it mean?/ Kicking me down,/ I got to get up/ … (Janet) You’re sellin out souls but/ I care about mine/ I’ve got to get stronger/ And I won’t give up the fight … Oh my God, can’t believe what I saw/ As I turned on the TV this evening/ I was disgusted by all the injustice/ All the injustice/ (Michael) All the injustice/ (News Man) ‘A man has been brutally beaten to death by/ Police after being wrongly identified as a/ robbery suspect. The man was/ an 18-year-old Black male.’/

(Michael) With such collusions, don’t it make you wanna scream.”


Jeez, if you're gonna write an article, you should at least google the lyrics you don't know before hand:

It's "delusions" not "collusions", it's "your lies are disgusting" not "it's kinda disgusting".
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Reply #1238 posted 07/13/09 3:46am

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noimageatall said:

EmeraldSkies said:




I love the fact that something as simple as a Super Soaker was like the BEST present he could have ever received. mushy I felt sad when he said that he went in the bathroom,and cried,because he felt like he had done something wrong. There was nothing he had to feel guilty about. sad

I know... sad

I re-watched all of the Home Video movies that were shown on FOX...seems like so long ago. The world is a much sadder place with him gone.


Yeah, it really is.
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Reply #1239 posted 07/13/09 4:01am

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dag said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Bryan Loren shares his memories with MJ




Saturday, July 11, 2009

Michael and Me
Current mood: melancholy


Philadelphia, Pa.- Wow. This is really tough for me.

It’s always hard losing someone that you called friend. But even more when you felt that they really understood some part of you that most people don’t. For me, that was Michael.

I spent a lot of time with Michael. Yes, a lot of time in the studio, but a lot of personal time as well. Among other times, Michael spent at least one Christmas and one Thanksgiving at my house. Just the two of us. We spent a lot of time talking. About life, music, art, movies, people, women(yes, women), and what it meant for him to be who he was at the time in which he lived. We talked about Elvis. He actually conjectured as to whether his musical legacy would be considered as great as Elvis'. I always assured him it would. I was with him in N.Y. working on ‘History’ around the time he first started seeing Lisa Marie. I was actually even a little jealous, then. I’d always thought she was very attractive(lol). I was with him when he decided he was going to the Oscars with Madonna. I stayed at, and went back and forth to Neverland. I spent many days at the ‘Hideout’. This was a condo that Michael had in Westwood, in L.A. I remember going with him into a room there where he kept a lot of the wardrobe from the ‘Bad’ tour. He showed me a jacket that I’d seen him wear on stage during the ‘Thriller’ performance. It looked like the one in the video, with the exception that it was loaded with neon lights that he would turn on during the dance routine. I put it on. This jacket was HEAVY. It seemed to have weighed 30 or more pounds. To think, he wore this during a big dance routine. It was then that I realized how strong he was for his very lean frame. On several occasions, we drove in this big white pick-up truck he used to drive, to Tower Records. Before going into the store, he would put on some glasses, a hat and these really weird teeth. Invariably, someone would recognize and watch him, but usually people would repectfully allow him to shop. I remember once being on the 101 freeway coming from the Hideout on the way to the studio in my car, with Michael in my passenger seat. At some point, a man driving on the passenger side of my car looks in the window at Mike, curly hair and Fedora in tow. Does a double-take and shruggs his shoulders as if to say ‘nah, couldn’t be’. Now that was funny. Then, there’s the people. The endless parade of high-profile people I met, just because I was with him when they showed up. From Michael Milken to Eddie Murphy, Steve Wynne, and Little Richard. I did the arrangement on the song he wrote for the Sigfried and Roy show in Los Vagas. The list goes on.

I still have the Fedora I took off his head while he was annoyingly poking at a plate of food I was eating at the studio one day, making him recoil because he had ‘hat-hair’(lol). I remember clearly the day he brought Bubbles(the chimp) to the studio, and Bubbles hit me(open-hand) in my chest(that s$%t hurt!). I wanted nothing to do with the chimp after that. Michael said it meant he liked me. He could not have been more amused. We shared laughter about things that only we knew. We could be in a room full of people, and either one of us could make the other laugh about something that would have others thinking ‘what’s so funny?’ It really made me feel special when Michael told me how talented he thought I was, knowing what the whole world thought of him. Likewise it was a special feeling working with him.

We recorded some twenty-plus tracks together. Sadly, many of these we never finished. But when we did do vocals, beyond his lead work it was always a pleasure to listen to this man lay background harmonies. His voice was truly unique. Really pure tone, and great intonation. On The Simpson's song ‘Do The Bartman’, the background vocals in the bridge are just me(contrary to what the press believed at that time). But, the harmonies in the chorus are performed by the two of us. We are each, singing each part harmony. We did them simultaniously. It was a quick, and painless process. I mixed the record, and I promise you all the vocals are equal gain. That’s two people, and it’s tight! It was really cool for me, as I’d never so easily before doubled with someone doing background vocals. He did the backing chorus voices on ‘To Satisfy You’ from my ‘Music From The New World’ CD because I’d written it for him, for 'Dangerous'. When it was decided he wasn’t going to use it, I told him I wanted to keep his vocals and put it on my record. He said, ‘Of course’. We actually did the finishing work on ‘Superfly Sister’ from ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ a few years after I’d already done the track, as this was a song that I started writing during the ‘Dangerous’ sessions. Which made me feel it was always possible that we might revist some of the other music we’d started all that time ago. This was not unusual for Michael, as in the case of ‘They Don’t Care About Us’ from the ‘History’ album. This was a song that he’d started even before I joined him for 'Dangerous'. One of the first things I heard was this song, but it got bumped at that time. ‘Earth Song’ was also started during 'Dangerous'.

'Dangerous' was a rough period for me as well. As we’d recorded so much music and none of it was used for that project, and much else occured that I won’t go into here. But, I will say that I spent a great deal of enjoyable time with Michael and made some great music with him as well. There are some songs that even in there unfinished format, you can hear their potential. And over the next few months I will be posting some of those that have enough content to hear that potential.

When we began working, it was my hope to return to a form of feeling that you got from the 'Off The Wall' or even the 'Thriller' Lp. Where there was a very organic feeling about the content. ‘Work That Body’, is complete with Michael repeating(at my behest) the rap from The Jackson Five’s ‘ABC’. He DID NOT want to do this(lol), but realized the toungue-in-cheek fun contained in it. I produced this track, and am performing all of the music. There are no sequencers on it, as I do not generally use them in the course of my work. The two of us wrote the lyric and melody.

Ironically, I’d intended a while ago to post this and other songs that we’d done together because somehow, they’d been leaked to the internet. I would occasionally get email here at Myspace and otherwise asking if I had done this work. Well, to finally and officially answer that question: yes. A bunch of these are my songs, produced by me and co-written with Michael. It is sad that this would be the occasion to finally get to this, but I suppose people who love Michael would especially now like to hear work of his that was unreleased. There is also some amount of catharsis for me in this process.

I am proud to have produced and written for Michael. I am also proud to have called him my peer, and my friend. We shared a friendship that he had with very few people. It was very special to me. I am deeply saddened by his sudden, and untimely passing. My best wishes and sympathy go out to his children and all of the Jackson family. It goes without saying, he will be missed. R.I.P., big bruh...
[Edited 7/12/09 17:54pm]

Thank you for posting it. I love reading these.



wow, so he will give us some old new tracks sooner or later
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Reply #1240 posted 07/13/09 4:03am

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midiscover said:

graecophilos said:




tribute thread... and where are those you like to talks critical about some of his aspects supposed to go? Every other thread gets locked.

And now don't tell me for the 1000 time it would be unnecessary to critisize him, just cos he's dead.

Where were YOU three weeks ago, when they talked rubbish about MJ? Did you protect him when he was alive?


WTF are you talking about? I'm not defending the man! and my views on his music hasn't changed either lol I simply asked why is he considered a musical genius and I get ripped apart for trying to start shit when really those weren't my intentions.


I'm reffering to purplesweat
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Reply #1241 posted 07/13/09 4:06am

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graecophilos said:

midiscover said:



WTF are you talking about? I'm not defending the man! and my views on his music hasn't changed either lol I simply asked why is he considered a musical genius and I get ripped apart for trying to start shit when really those weren't my intentions.


I'm reffering to purplesweat


...?

I always defended MJ.
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Reply #1242 posted 07/13/09 4:12am

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Michael didn’t just moonwalk his way into our hearts, he wrote about social issues of the day: From his duet with sister Janet titled “Scream” comes: “Tired of injustice/ tired of the schemes/ I’m kinda disgusted/ so what does it mean?/ Kicking me down,/ I got to get up/ … (Janet) You’re sellin out souls but/ I care about mine/ I’ve got to get stronger/ And I won’t give up the fight … Oh my God, can’t believe what I saw/ As I turned on the TV this evening/ I was disgusted by all the injustice/ All the injustice/ (Michael) All the injustice/ (News Man) ‘A man has been brutally beaten to death by/ Police after being wrongly identified as a/ robbery suspect. The man was/ an 18-year-old Black male.’/

(Michael) With such collusions, don’t it make you wanna scream.”


Jeez, if you're gonna write an article, you should at least google the lyrics you don't know before hand:

It's "delusions" not "collusions", it's "your lies are disgusting" not "it's kinda disgusting".


I wouldn't trust google lyrics. With no official lyric book with the album there is some confusion over the lyrics - for example several sites have lyrics as "the bigger the shadow / the bigger the light" when it is clear "peek in the shadows / come into the light".

Also can't get access to my single CD of Scream at the moment which I thought had the lyrics in it and I was sure that collusion was mentioned in the chorus after the TV report.

Willing to stand corrected - someone close to theirs?

Swa
[Edited 7/13/09 4:14am]
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Reply #1243 posted 07/13/09 5:55am

Graycap23

Report: LaToya Jackson says Michael was murdered
LONDON — Two British tabloids quote LaToya Jackson as saying she believes her brother Michael Jackson was murdered as part of a conspiracy to steal his fortune.

She reportedly says her brother's assets of more than 1 billion dollars made him a tempting target and that cash and jewelry worth roughly $2 million was taken from his home after his death.

Her comments were published Sunday. The News of the World quotes her as saying she knows who is to blame for her brother's death and is determined to see them brought to justice.

She also reportedly says her brother did not want to perform 50 shows in London but was pressured to do so.
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Reply #1244 posted 07/13/09 6:03am

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Graycap23 said:

Report: LaToya Jackson says Michael was murdered
LONDON — Two British tabloids quote LaToya Jackson as saying she believes her brother Michael Jackson was murdered as part of a conspiracy to steal his fortune.

She reportedly says her brother's assets of more than 1 billion dollars made him a tempting target and that cash and jewelry worth roughly $2 million was taken from his home after his death.

Her comments were published Sunday. The News of the World quotes her as saying she knows who is to blame for her brother's death and is determined to see them brought to justice.

She also reportedly says her brother did not want to perform 50 shows in London but was pressured to do so.


Joseph was on TV last week,saying the same thing hmmm Was foul play involved?
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Reply #1245 posted 07/13/09 7:01am

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Leonard Rowe Interview on GMA

http://www.abcnews.go.com...482&page=1
[Edited 7/13/09 7:02am]
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Reply #1246 posted 07/13/09 7:35am

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What's next for Jackson reality show?
A&E project's fate still to be determined

By James Hibberd

July 12, 2009, 11:00 PM ET
A&E is working on a reality project with the Jackson family which could gain newfound viewer interest in the wake of the King of Pop's death.

The network commissioned a one-hour special following Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, Marlon and Randy that was originally intended to serve as a "backdoor pilot" for a potential series. The project was commissioned months ago and producers have finished shooting footage that followed Jackson family members as they readied a new album and reunion tour.

A&E planned to air the result as a special, tentatively titled "The Jackson Family," next year, taking a "wait and see" approach and gauging viewer reaction before deciding whether to order the project as a series.

After Michael's unexpected death last month and subsequent intensive media coverage, the question for A&E becomes: What now?

Producers have not shot any additional footage with the family since Jackson's death, leaving the network with a project that's still attractive -- one that uses footage and interviews capturing the current incarnation of the Jackson 5 as entertainers, entrepreneurs and family members -- yet also has a glaring narrative omission hanging over its current form.

A&E's special will almost certainly have to change to reflect recent events. But the network has not yet decided the best course of action.

"We have started discussing internally and with the family but have not yet decided what direction to take with the show," said A&E executives, in a statement. "We are respecting the family's wishes right now, and at the appropriate time we will all decide what direction this program to take, so stay tuned."

The situation is not entirely unlike TLC's recent wrangling of "Jon & Kate Plus 8," where the collapse of the Gosselins' marriage disrupted the previously agreed-upon "reality" of the reality show.
What's next for Jackson reality show?
A&E project's fate still to be determined
[Edited 7/13/09 7:38am]
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Reply #1247 posted 07/13/09 7:36am

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matthewgrant said:

trueiopian said:




omg i love Sister Act, i'm watching the first one now lol

my fav part when the young guy sings with the high pitch voice...
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Reply #1248 posted 07/13/09 7:52am

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Evvy said:

Copycat said:


why does debbie look as old as katherine?

Is that a recent pic of Katherine ? ... If so then wow, she aged well eek
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Reply #1249 posted 07/13/09 8:26am

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Michael Jackson ‘had two gay lovers’, new book claims
Michael Jackson had at least two gay lovers and would go out disguised as a woman for secret liaisons in motel rooms, according to a new book.


Published: 2:58PM BST 13 Jul 2009

Michael Jackson dressed as a woman for secret meetings in motel rooms, it is claimed
The star was allegedly “madly in love” with a half-Asian construction worker and had another fling with a Hollywood waiter.
Writer Ian Halperin claims in his unauthorised biography that “virtually everybody” around Jackson knew that the singer was gay.

Jackson’s affair with the builder, who was in his early 20s, began in Las Vegas in 2007, according to Halperin. “He rarely left his residence, but when he did, according to one of Jackson’s closest confidants, it was to meet a boyfriend at a run-down motel.
“Michael would leave the house in disguise, often dressed as a woman, and would go to meet his boyfriend at a motel that was one of Vegas’ grungiest dives. Michael was broke. He struggled to put food on the table for his children. It was all he could afford then.”
Halperin added: “A close aide of Jackson who confirmed the affair to me said that he had no knowledge of what went on behind closed doors at the motel. But the aide said Jackson would dress as a woman after midnight to meet a worker employed by the city of Las Vegas.”
The second man was an aspiring actor, working as a waiter, who visited Jackson’s Hollywood Hills home almost every night for three weeks during a short but passionate affair, Halperin said.
The author’s claims, in the book Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson, were reported by The Sun.
[Edited 7/13/09 8:29am]
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Reply #1250 posted 07/13/09 8:28am

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dag said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Bryan Loren shares his memories with MJ




Saturday, July 11, 2009

Michael and Me
Current mood: melancholy


Philadelphia, Pa.- Wow. This is really tough for me.

It’s always hard losing someone that you called friend. But even more when you felt that they really understood some part of you that most people don’t. For me, that was Michael.

I spent a lot of time with Michael. Yes, a lot of time in the studio, but a lot of personal time as well. Among other times, Michael spent at least one Christmas and one Thanksgiving at my house. Just the two of us. We spent a lot of time talking. About life, music, art, movies, people, women(yes, women), and what it meant for him to be who he was at the time in which he lived. We talked about Elvis. He actually conjectured as to whether his musical legacy would be considered as great as Elvis'. I always assured him it would. I was with him in N.Y. working on ‘History’ around the time he first started seeing Lisa Marie. I was actually even a little jealous, then. I’d always thought she was very attractive(lol). I was with him when he decided he was going to the Oscars with Madonna. I stayed at, and went back and forth to Neverland. I spent many days at the ‘Hideout’. This was a condo that Michael had in Westwood, in L.A. I remember going with him into a room there where he kept a lot of the wardrobe from the ‘Bad’ tour. He showed me a jacket that I’d seen him wear on stage during the ‘Thriller’ performance. It looked like the one in the video, with the exception that it was loaded with neon lights that he would turn on during the dance routine. I put it on. This jacket was HEAVY. It seemed to have weighed 30 or more pounds. To think, he wore this during a big dance routine. It was then that I realized how strong he was for his very lean frame. On several occasions, we drove in this big white pick-up truck he used to drive, to Tower Records. Before going into the store, he would put on some glasses, a hat and these really weird teeth. Invariably, someone would recognize and watch him, but usually people would repectfully allow him to shop. I remember once being on the 101 freeway coming from the Hideout on the way to the studio in my car, with Michael in my passenger seat. At some point, a man driving on the passenger side of my car looks in the window at Mike, curly hair and Fedora in tow. Does a double-take and shruggs his shoulders as if to say ‘nah, couldn’t be’. Now that was funny. Then, there’s the people. The endless parade of high-profile people I met, just because I was with him when they showed up. From Michael Milken to Eddie Murphy, Steve Wynne, and Little Richard. I did the arrangement on the song he wrote for the Sigfried and Roy show in Los Vagas. The list goes on.

I still have the Fedora I took off his head while he was annoyingly poking at a plate of food I was eating at the studio one day, making him recoil because he had ‘hat-hair’(lol). I remember clearly the day he brought Bubbles(the chimp) to the studio, and Bubbles hit me(open-hand) in my chest(that s$%t hurt!). I wanted nothing to do with the chimp after that. Michael said it meant he liked me. He could not have been more amused. We shared laughter about things that only we knew. We could be in a room full of people, and either one of us could make the other laugh about something that would have others thinking ‘what’s so funny?’ It really made me feel special when Michael told me how talented he thought I was, knowing what the whole world thought of him. Likewise it was a special feeling working with him.

We recorded some twenty-plus tracks together. Sadly, many of these we never finished. But when we did do vocals, beyond his lead work it was always a pleasure to listen to this man lay background harmonies. His voice was truly unique. Really pure tone, and great intonation. On The Simpson's song ‘Do The Bartman’, the background vocals in the bridge are just me(contrary to what the press believed at that time). But, the harmonies in the chorus are performed by the two of us. We are each, singing each part harmony. We did them simultaniously. It was a quick, and painless process. I mixed the record, and I promise you all the vocals are equal gain. That’s two people, and it’s tight! It was really cool for me, as I’d never so easily before doubled with someone doing background vocals. He did the backing chorus voices on ‘To Satisfy You’ from my ‘Music From The New World’ CD because I’d written it for him, for 'Dangerous'. When it was decided he wasn’t going to use it, I told him I wanted to keep his vocals and put it on my record. He said, ‘Of course’. We actually did the finishing work on ‘Superfly Sister’ from ‘Blood On The Dance Floor’ a few years after I’d already done the track, as this was a song that I started writing during the ‘Dangerous’ sessions. Which made me feel it was always possible that we might revist some of the other music we’d started all that time ago. This was not unusual for Michael, as in the case of ‘They Don’t Care About Us’ from the ‘History’ album. This was a song that he’d started even before I joined him for 'Dangerous'. One of the first things I heard was this song, but it got bumped at that time. ‘Earth Song’ was also started during 'Dangerous'.

'Dangerous' was a rough period for me as well. As we’d recorded so much music and none of it was used for that project, and much else occured that I won’t go into here. But, I will say that I spent a great deal of enjoyable time with Michael and made some great music with him as well. There are some songs that even in there unfinished format, you can hear their potential. And over the next few months I will be posting some of those that have enough content to hear that potential.

When we began working, it was my hope to return to a form of feeling that you got from the 'Off The Wall' or even the 'Thriller' Lp. Where there was a very organic feeling about the content. ‘Work That Body’, is complete with Michael repeating(at my behest) the rap from The Jackson Five’s ‘ABC’. He DID NOT want to do this(lol), but realized the toungue-in-cheek fun contained in it. I produced this track, and am performing all of the music. There are no sequencers on it, as I do not generally use them in the course of my work. The two of us wrote the lyric and melody.

Ironically, I’d intended a while ago to post this and other songs that we’d done together because somehow, they’d been leaked to the internet. I would occasionally get email here at Myspace and otherwise asking if I had done this work. Well, to finally and officially answer that question: yes. A bunch of these are my songs, produced by me and co-written with Michael. It is sad that this would be the occasion to finally get to this, but I suppose people who love Michael would especially now like to hear work of his that was unreleased. There is also some amount of catharsis for me in this process.

I am proud to have produced and written for Michael. I am also proud to have called him my peer, and my friend. We shared a friendship that he had with very few people. It was very special to me. I am deeply saddened by his sudden, and untimely passing. My best wishes and sympathy go out to his children and all of the Jackson family. It goes without saying, he will be missed. R.I.P., big bruh...
[Edited 7/12/09 17:54pm]

Thank you for posting it. I love reading these.

exclaim Indeed clapping



Heavenly song cloud9
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Reply #1251 posted 07/13/09 8:30am

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Shango said:

Evvy said:


why does debbie look as old as katherine?

Is that a recent pic of Katherine ? ... If so then wow, she aged well eek


nip/tuck
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Reply #1252 posted 07/13/09 8:31am

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matthewgrant said:


omg i love Sister Act, i'm watching the first one now lol

my fav part when the young guy sings with the high pitch voice...


that'd on ethe second part. I love that one too. Who is this and I wonder if he recorded anything else?
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asg said:

Michael Jackson ‘had two gay lovers’, new book claims
Michael Jackson had at least two gay lovers and would go out disguised as a woman for secret liaisons in motel rooms, according to a new book.


Published: 2:58PM BST 13 Jul 2009

Michael Jackson dressed as a woman for secret meetings in motel rooms, it is claimed
The star was allegedly “madly in love” with a half-Asian construction worker and had another fling with a Hollywood waiter.
Writer Ian Halperin claims in his unauthorised biography that “virtually everybody” around Jackson knew that the singer was gay.

Jackson’s affair with the builder, who was in his early 20s, began in Las Vegas in 2007, according to Halperin. “He rarely left his residence, but when he did, according to one of Jackson’s closest confidants, it was to meet a boyfriend at a run-down motel.
“Michael would leave the house in disguise, often dressed as a woman, and would go to meet his boyfriend at a motel that was one of Vegas’ grungiest dives. Michael was broke. He struggled to put food on the table for his children. It was all he could afford then.”
Halperin added: “A close aide of Jackson who confirmed the affair to me said that he had no knowledge of what went on behind closed doors at the motel. But the aide said Jackson would dress as a woman after midnight to meet a worker employed by the city of Las Vegas.”
The second man was an aspiring actor, working as a waiter, who visited Jackson’s Hollywood Hills home almost every night for three weeks during a short but passionate affair, Halperin said.
The author’s claims, in the book Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson, were reported by The Sun.
[Edited 7/13/09 8:29am]


I'm gonna read this one.
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...patiently waitin for the fans that claim to know MJ so well swear that the above article isn't true...
Some ah y'all know y'all be actin like y'all know him lol
I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh
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Reply #1255 posted 07/13/09 8:42am

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Michael Jackson ‘had two gay lovers’, new book claims
Michael Jackson had at least two gay lovers and would go out disguised as a woman for secret liaisons in motel rooms, according to a new book.


Published: 2:58PM BST 13 Jul 2009

Michael Jackson dressed as a woman for secret meetings in motel rooms, it is claimed
The star was allegedly “madly in love” with a half-Asian construction worker and had another fling with a Hollywood waiter.
Writer Ian Halperin claims in his unauthorised biography that “virtually everybody” around Jackson knew that the singer was gay.

Jackson’s affair with the builder, who was in his early 20s, began in Las Vegas in 2007, according to Halperin. “He rarely left his residence, but when he did, according to one of Jackson’s closest confidants, it was to meet a boyfriend at a run-down motel.
“Michael would leave the house in disguise, often dressed as a woman, and would go to meet his boyfriend at a motel that was one of Vegas’ grungiest dives. Michael was broke. He struggled to put food on the table for his children. It was all he could afford then.”
Halperin added: “A close aide of Jackson who confirmed the affair to me said that he had no knowledge of what went on behind closed doors at the motel. But the aide said Jackson would dress as a woman after midnight to meet a worker employed by the city of Las Vegas.”
The second man was an aspiring actor, working as a waiter, who visited Jackson’s Hollywood Hills home almost every night for three weeks during a short but passionate affair, Halperin said.
The author’s claims, in the book Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson, were reported by The Sun.
[Edited 7/13/09 8:29am]

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
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Reply #1256 posted 07/13/09 8:45am

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graecophilos said:

asg said:

Michael Jackson ‘had two gay lovers’, new book claims
Michael Jackson had at least two gay lovers and would go out disguised as a woman for secret liaisons in motel rooms, according to a new book.


Published: 2:58PM BST 13 Jul 2009

Michael Jackson dressed as a woman for secret meetings in motel rooms, it is claimed
The star was allegedly “madly in love” with a half-Asian construction worker and had another fling with a Hollywood waiter.
Writer Ian Halperin claims in his unauthorised biography that “virtually everybody” around Jackson knew that the singer was gay.

Jackson’s affair with the builder, who was in his early 20s, began in Las Vegas in 2007, according to Halperin. “He rarely left his residence, but when he did, according to one of Jackson’s closest confidants, it was to meet a boyfriend at a run-down motel.
“Michael would leave the house in disguise, often dressed as a woman, and would go to meet his boyfriend at a motel that was one of Vegas’ grungiest dives. Michael was broke. He struggled to put food on the table for his children. It was all he could afford then.”
Halperin added: “A close aide of Jackson who confirmed the affair to me said that he had no knowledge of what went on behind closed doors at the motel. But the aide said Jackson would dress as a woman after midnight to meet a worker employed by the city of Las Vegas.”
The second man was an aspiring actor, working as a waiter, who visited Jackson’s Hollywood Hills home almost every night for three weeks during a short but passionate affair, Halperin said.
The author’s claims, in the book Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson, were reported by The Sun.
[Edited 7/13/09 8:29am]


I'm gonna read this one.


seems like you believe anything that is written in a tabloid. this is just someone who is trying to get their 15 minutes of fame. Pure tabloid bs. Don't get me wrong,sometimes tabloids have correct information on celebrities. I personally believe michael is metrosexual but not gay.
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Reply #1257 posted 07/13/09 8:46am

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asg said:

Michael Jackson ‘had two gay lovers’, new book claims
Michael Jackson had at least two gay lovers and would go out disguised as a woman for secret liaisons in motel rooms, according to a new book.


Published: 2:58PM BST 13 Jul 2009

Michael Jackson dressed as a woman for secret meetings in motel rooms, it is claimed
The star was allegedly “madly in love” with a half-Asian construction worker and had another fling with a Hollywood waiter.
Writer Ian Halperin claims in his unauthorised biography that “virtually everybody” around Jackson knew that the singer was gay.

Jackson’s affair with the builder, who was in his early 20s, began in Las Vegas in 2007, according to Halperin. “He rarely left his residence, but when he did, according to one of Jackson’s closest confidants, it was to meet a boyfriend at a run-down motel.
“Michael would leave the house in disguise, often dressed as a woman, and would go to meet his boyfriend at a motel that was one of Vegas’ grungiest dives. Michael was broke. He struggled to put food on the table for his children. It was all he could afford then.”
Halperin added: “A close aide of Jackson who confirmed the affair to me said that he had no knowledge of what went on behind closed doors at the motel. But the aide said Jackson would dress as a woman after midnight to meet a worker employed by the city of Las Vegas.”
The second man was an aspiring actor, working as a waiter, who visited Jackson’s Hollywood Hills home almost every night for three weeks during a short but passionate affair, Halperin said.
The author’s claims, in the book Unmasked: The Final Years of Michael Jackson, were reported by The Sun.
[Edited 7/13/09 8:29am]

Ohh lawrd..... eek
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Reply #1258 posted 07/13/09 8:49am

BoOTyLiCioUs

I just want to remind everyone that there are going to be many people claiming to have known MJ personally or been a friend of his and write crazy stories about him. Just trying to get 15 minutes of fame/money to leech off of Michael's death. Grace R. has already turned her back on Michael by doing that interview that she was payed for to say bad things about Michael. Let's wait until we get all the facts before we jump to all sorts of conclusions.
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Reply #1259 posted 07/13/09 8:52am

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BoOTyLiCioUs said:

graecophilos said:



I'm gonna read this one.


seems like you believe anything that is written in a tabloid. this is just someone who is trying to get their 15 minutes of fame. Pure tabloid bs. Don't get me wrong,sometimes tabloids have correct information on celebrities. I personally believe michael is metrosexual but not gay.


i was just joking.

Metrosexuality is a word made up by the media, it's stupid. It doesn't say anything bout his preferences at all.
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