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PrintablePeople like to laugh at Janet's sales, but sales are absolutely dismal across the board. No album this year has hit 2.5 million copies worldwide yet.
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Sounds like there's a lot of bumps in the road. Maybe I have loyalty issues, but I'm sticking with her and rooting for her all the way. I have always loved her tours and I'll support one if she does one. | |
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morningsong said: Sounds like there's a lot of bumps in the road.
You ain't lying  I think it would be wise for Janet to go ahead with the tour then take 2009 off.Take some time to re-group before rushing out another album.It's possible that she may need to get out of her Island/DefJam deal,if she can.They've already shown that Janet is not a priority to them. | |
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Wasn't L.A going to be executive producer, but some how JD got that part.
Janet should just stick with Jimmy and Terry while working with smaller producers like Telepopmusik who did 1.29 of heaven Damita Jo. | |
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daPrettyman said: JackieBlue said: Did she sign for many years? I wonder if we're going to see them prematurely part ways and if so, where will she go then?
For some reason, I don't think the label offered her a big contract. This situation reminds me of Mariah when she first signed to IDJ. Charmbracelet was FLOP. IDJ tried to do the damage control after the Glitter disaster, but didn't make it. It wasn't until Mimi that they found the right combination. Remember, Mimi didn't start off selling well either. It wasn't until after We Belong Together skyrocketed that the album took off. If IDJ wants to continue to work with J, they are going to have to use the same strategy. Come up with some good songs, change her image and get HIT songs and not mediocre songs/videos. Plus,it might be a good idea to concentrate on ONE GOOD SINGLE at a time.Releasing multiple singles at the same time is a risky strategy that doesn't work for every artist.It only confuses listeners and as a result,none of the singles went anywhere. | |
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I think Janet should just go independent. Ditch the labels, and just release everything herself (like NIN are currently doing.) I thought Discipline was a fine album - no, not her best, but it certainly wasn't a bad CD at all. | |
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shipoffools said: I think Janet should just go independent. Ditch the labels, and just release everything herself (like NIN are currently doing.) I thought Discipline was a fine album - no, not her best, but it certainly wasn't a bad CD at all.
at this point..i have to agree.   | |
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StarCat said: shipoffools said: I think Janet should just go independent. Ditch the labels, and just release everything herself (like NIN are currently doing.) I thought Discipline was a fine album - no, not her best, but it certainly wasn't a bad CD at all.
at this point..i have to agree. If u think we're getting horrible material/production now....wait until she goes independent. Janet should do the Paula Abdul thing and leave the recording career alone for a while. Maybe she should concentrate on acting in Tyler Perry movies and maybe get a tv show of some type. Paula was smart enough to leave the music thing alone when her last album flopped. J should do the same. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: StarCat said: at this point..i have to agree. If u think we're getting horrible material/production now....wait until she goes independent. Janet should do the Paula Abdul thing and leave the recording career alone for a while. Maybe she should concentrate on acting in Tyler Perry movies and maybe get a tv show of some type. Paula was smart enough to leave the music thing alone when her last album flopped. J should do the same. i don't consider her cd a flop. she needs to go and be schooled by the queen of rebirth- madonna LOVE HARD. | |
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shipoffools said: I think Janet should just go independent. Ditch the labels, and just release everything herself (like NIN are currently doing.).
If she goes independent,she will have to work hard and do alot of things herself.I don't think Janet is strong enough for that.She seems to like having other people take control.She didn't even write any of the lyrics on 'Discipline'.Her problem is that she's got the wrong people calling the shots for her.LA Reid and Jermaine Dupri have done alot of damage. | |
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Evvy said: daPrettyman said: If u think we're getting horrible material/production now....wait until she goes independent. Janet should do the Paula Abdul thing and leave the recording career alone for a while. Maybe she should concentrate on acting in Tyler Perry movies and maybe get a tv show of some type. Paula was smart enough to leave the music thing alone when her last album flopped. J should do the same. i don't consider her cd a flop. she needs to go and be schooled by the queen of rebirth- madonna "Rebirth" doesn't work well for everyone. J has had her share of reincarnations, but she has taken it as far as she can go. Madonna can do a lot more than Janet will ever be allowed to do. Besides, I don't think J would ever go as far as M. When she tried, it backfired (Superbowl). **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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SoulAlive said: shipoffools said: I think Janet should just go independent. Ditch the labels, and just release everything herself (like NIN are currently doing.).
If she goes independent,she will have to work hard and do alot of things herself.I don't think Janet is strong enough for that.She seems to like having other people take control.She didn't even write any of the lyrics on 'Discipline'.Her problem is that she's got the wrong people calling the shots for her.LA Reid and Jermaine Dupri have done alot of damage. I wouldn't say that LA and Jermaine have done "damage". I just don't think they (especially Jermaine) knows how to re-introduce Janet to the masses. Jermaine is pretty good with the urban audience (at least he used to be), but he doesn't know much about crossover appeal. When Mariah wanted to work with Jermaine for the Daydream album, Tommy Motolla gave him guidelines to follow when writing Always Be My Baby. He had to keep the music something that could be heard on an AC station as well as keep it young and fresh. He used the same philosophy for "We Belong Together". When he did E-MC2, he went straight up urban (and the album is flopping). If Jermaine wants to work with Janet, he needs to apply the same principles. Rodney Jerkins tried with Feedback, but it didn't appeal to the masses. Janet needs to take about 2 to 4 years off from recording and re-evaluate her career musically. She needs to figure out a direction and image (kind of like she did between RN and Janet). She needs to hire a choreographer that fits her new style and image and do it up BIG. If she doesn't choose to go that route, maybe she can do a television show and show her personality. I think she could win people over with her personality if she can drop the shyness. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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SoulAlive said: shipoffools said: I think Janet should just go independent. Ditch the labels, and just release everything herself (like NIN are currently doing.).
If she goes independent,she will have to work hard and do alot of things herself.I don't think Janet is strong enough for that.She seems to like having other people take control.She didn't even write any of the lyrics on 'Discipline'.Her problem is that she's got the wrong people calling the shots for her.LA Reid and Jermaine Dupri have done alot of damage. This is the exact same thing I was gonna say. She'd have to be very aggressive and productive and initiate a lot of the necessary momentum herself. I don't see it at least not without a very good tight right hand or team.Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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So does JD not have anything to say about IDJ not that Discipline has been dropped? I haven't heard anything and I know he's making rounds regarding his comments on DJs and that Greg Street guy. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: So does JD not have anything to say about IDJ not that Discipline has been dropped? I haven't heard anything and I know he's making rounds regarding his comments on DJs and that Greg Street guy.
I haven't heard him say. I watch his youtube channel on a regular basis and it hasn't been mentioned. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: JackieBlue said: So does JD not have anything to say about IDJ not that Discipline has been dropped? I haven't heard anything and I know he's making rounds regarding his comments on DJs and that Greg Street guy.
I haven't heard him say. I watch his youtube channel on a regular basis and it hasn't been mentioned. Greg Street was saying that over the years he's passed on such acts as Outkast, Ti, Ludacris, and Nelly. And while he said he loves him like a brother he said he can be a stingy businessman. He could be as big as or bigger than LA Reid. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: daPrettyman said: I haven't heard him say. I watch his youtube channel on a regular basis and it hasn't been mentioned. Greg Street was saying that over the years he's passed on such acts as Outkast, Ti, Ludacris, and Nelly. And while he said he loves him like a brother he said he can be a stingy businessman. He could be as big as or bigger than LA Reid. When you think about it, who has JD introduced that has had a big career? I can't think of anyone. Xscape, Jagged Edge, Kris Kross? None of those acts hit it BIG. Sure, they had a few hits, but nothing like Outkast. (BTW, I don't think JD passed on Outkast because they were all around LaFace Records in the early 90s at the same time and JD had only had one hit with Jump). **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: JackieBlue said: Greg Street was saying that over the years he's passed on such acts as Outkast, Ti, Ludacris, and Nelly. And while he said he loves him like a brother he said he can be a stingy businessman. He could be as big as or bigger than LA Reid. When you think about it, who has JD introduced that has had a big career? I can't think of anyone. Xscape, Jagged Edge, Kris Kross? None of those acts hit it BIG. Sure, they had a few hits, but nothing like Outkast. (BTW, I don't think JD passed on Outkast because they were all around LaFace Records in the early 90s at the same time and JD had only had one hit with Jump). Yeah the Outkast comment was questionable but I wasn't sure. Funny thing is, when JD talks about his accomplishments it almost makes it more apparent that he hasn't had huge success. He wears the success of Emancipation and Confessions on his sleeve but then what? And it's also not like he was the sole producer on those projects. They were collaborative efforts and if I understood Street correctly, it sounded like other songwriters have to double check that they get their credit. Personally, I think Mariah still works with him as much as she does because she doesn't want to completely kick him to the curb because of their friendship and hey, you never know when they might strike gold. I don't know what his contributions to Usher's new disc sound like but I heard he's on there too. [Edited 6/10/08 14:37pm] Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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daPrettyman said: SoulAlive said: If she goes independent,she will have to work hard and do alot of things herself.I don't think Janet is strong enough for that.She seems to like having other people take control.She didn't even write any of the lyrics on 'Discipline'.Her problem is that she's got the wrong people calling the shots for her.LA Reid and Jermaine Dupri have done alot of damage. I wouldn't say that LA and Jermaine have done "damage". I just don't think they (especially Jermaine) knows how to re-introduce Janet to the masses. Jermaine is pretty good with the urban audience (at least he used to be), but he doesn't know much about crossover appeal. When Mariah wanted to work with Jermaine for the Daydream album, Tommy Motolla gave him guidelines to follow when writing Always Be My Baby. He had to keep the music something that could be heard on an AC station as well as keep it young and fresh. He used the same philosophy for "We Belong Together". When he did E-MC2, he went straight up urban (and the album is flopping). If Jermaine wants to work with Janet, he needs to apply the same principles. Rodney Jerkins tried with Feedback, but it didn't appeal to the masses. Janet needs to take about 2 to 4 years off from recording and re-evaluate her career musically. She needs to figure out a direction and image (kind of like she did between RN and Janet). She needs to hire a choreographer that fits her new style and image and do it up BIG. If she doesn't choose to go that route, maybe she can do a television show and show her personality. I think she could win people over with her personality if she can drop the shyness. I agree,she needs to take a few years off.Get away from music for awhile.It seems like '20 YO' and 'Discipline' were rushed,with no game plan,no focus,no strategy in place.Even Janet has admitted that the music on '20 YO' "wasn't right".It wasn't the direction that SHE wanted to go in.She needs to take her time,re-invent herself,find new inspiration and hire new people to help her reach her goals. | |
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I came to this thread kind of late but in general, Janet's comments leave us with a lot to digest. Sounds like the tour might be more greatest hits than for the new album (maybe she'll only do "Feedback" and "Rock Withu"?). Sounds like the IDJ deal might just be for one album if things already going this bad. I still think Janet has one great album in her after two good ones (DJ and D) and one lame one (20 YO). We'll have to wait and hear what's going to happen but at this rate if Janet is admiting they are done with the album...uh, wow!
Maybe Janet needs to realize it is time to step away from JD in the professional sense. Ever sine he stepped in, has it been a good thing? Nope! [Edited 6/10/08 19:31pm] | |
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