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Thread started 05/22/08 10:30am

floetcist

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Are MJ fans jealous of Janet?

Yes I took it there.

She's putting out new music, shes going on tour, she's still relevant and does more for her fans whilst MJ ain't doing shit, keeps releasing compilation albums with the same songs, and his only public appearances are to accept more legend awards.

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Reply #1 posted 05/22/08 10:34am

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Why in the world would they be jealous of Janet? What reason would there be? I think Prince said it best. When asked about Michael, Prince said "genius". When asked about Janet, Prince said "genius's sister.". That's it in a nutshell.
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Reply #2 posted 05/22/08 10:46am

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I don't think so

LaToya fans hate Janet, though lol

In fact, how in the hell does LaToya has fans?! I wonder if she's gonna be apart of their new reality show confused
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Reply #3 posted 05/22/08 10:49am

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Latoya's got fans?

lol
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Reply #4 posted 05/22/08 10:51am

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Timmy84 said:

Latoya's got fans?

lol

I was thinking the same thing lol
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Reply #5 posted 05/22/08 11:05am

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Why would MJ fans be jealous of her? She wouldn't be nothing if her last name wasn't "Jackson". Oh, did u think she got to where she's at because her voice is so stunning?! lol

Let's face it. MJ is the reason she is where she is. She inherited his fans mostly. Pretty much..MJ invented Janet. biggrin
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Reply #6 posted 05/22/08 11:10am

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blackguitaristz said:

Why in the world would they be jealous of Janet? What reason would there be? I think Prince said it best. When asked about Michael, Prince said "genius". When asked about Janet, Prince said "genius's sister.". That's it in a nutshell.


Did he really say that eek. Has Prince ever met Janet and is he in talking terms with Jimmy and Terry.
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Reply #7 posted 05/22/08 11:11am

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paper said:

blackguitaristz said:

Why in the world would they be jealous of Janet? What reason would there be? I think Prince said it best. When asked about Michael, Prince said "genius". When asked about Janet, Prince said "genius's sister.". That's it in a nutshell.


Did he really say that eek. Has Prince ever met Janet and is he in talking terms with Jimmy and Terry.


Yes, he really said that. I forgot which interview it was. He didn't speak about Jimmy & Terry.
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Reply #8 posted 05/22/08 11:14am

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paper said:

blackguitaristz said:

Why in the world would they be jealous of Janet? What reason would there be? I think Prince said it best. When asked about Michael, Prince said "genius". When asked about Janet, Prince said "genius's sister.". That's it in a nutshell.


Did he really say that eek. Has Prince ever met Janet and is he in talking terms with Jimmy and Terry.


well, i am not surprised that prince would throw out a sexist comment like that, would you?
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Reply #9 posted 05/22/08 11:22am

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No, I don't think Michael created Janet but did have effect, i think Jimmy and Terry did mould her.
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Reply #10 posted 05/22/08 11:23am

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Lol, why are you always saying that MJ fans are jealous of Janet? WHAT IS THERE TO BE JEALOUS OF? Lets be serious here.

This is not the 90's where Janet was riding high and her career was in full upswing and was the media darling. Her career was in better shape than Michael's back then, but not anymore.

I always get the feeling though that some Janet fans are bitter that no matter how big she is and how successful she's been, she will always be in MJ's shadow. Even Michael with all his drama is still WAY more respected as an artist, considered to be more talented by the majority and has had a bigger impact on pop culture than Janet ever has, so what's to be jealous of really? It aint like her career is anything to brag about right now. I like Janet's music, but get real. Janet is NOT relevant these days really. Mike is more relevant than her any day of the week. Just turn on the radio or tv, who are a lot of these artists imitating and sampling?

I get the feeling that MJ fans are more jealous of Prince & Madonna actually b/c they are actually successful and critically acclaimed, but Janet? Nah, most of them love and support her.
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Reply #11 posted 05/22/08 11:28am

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i don't think so. MJ has a bigger impact on pop culture today because of what he brought to the table, to the mainstream first: choreography, music videos, big concerts. I think Janet witnessed what MJ did, and built her career from that, making it her own.
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Reply #12 posted 05/22/08 11:32am

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I think MJ is the single most powerful artist having the most effect on popular music since ever.
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Reply #13 posted 05/22/08 11:35am

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So not only must there be 6873657343874653853 threads about dirty uncle Mike every day, but there has to be 49586485698940568048694859 about Debbie Rowe, his kids, and his fans.

Really... neutral
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Reply #14 posted 05/22/08 1:36pm

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blackguitaristz said:

Why in the world would they be jealous of Janet? What reason would there be? I think Prince said it best. When asked about Michael, Prince said "genius". When asked about Janet, Prince said "genius's sister.". That's it in a nutshell.

Nicely said.

You know, in the 90´s in the "janet" era, I loved her, but since than she hasn´t released one single album that I would care about. And even though she is releasing and doing whatever, over here in Europe, I don´t get to see her at all. I think there´s still more in the papers about Mike than Janet. I´ve came across more articles about Thriller 25 re-release than Janet´s Discipline.
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Reply #15 posted 05/22/08 1:40pm

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Isn't Michael's 'Thriller' re-release outselling Janet's 'Discipline' CD? That's surprising.
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Reply #16 posted 05/22/08 1:44pm

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Isn't Michael's 'Thriller' re-release outselling Janet's 'Discipline' CD? That's surprising.


Yep.

Thriller is like an estimated 500,000 right now while Discipline is stuck at the 380,000 range. It could be gold by the end of the year though.
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Reply #17 posted 05/22/08 4:04pm

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blackguitaristz said:

Why in the world would they be jealous of Janet? What reason would there be? I think Prince said it best. When asked about Michael, Prince said "genius". When asked about Janet, Prince said "genius's sister.". That's it in a nutshell.


Did I ask for Prince's midget ass opinion? No lol
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Reply #18 posted 05/22/08 4:07pm

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Janet is NOT relevant these days really. Mike is more relevant than her any day of the week. Just turn on the radio or tv, who are a lot of these artists imitating and sampling?


Because young artists these days aren't imitating and sampling Janet????? You must be out yo' mind.

I get the feeling that MJ fans are more jealous of Prince & Madonna actually b/c they are actually successful and critically acclaimed, but Janet? Nah, most of them love and support her.


You haven't seen some of the comments I've read than, lol.

Michael made Janet yet...

He never wrote any of her songs.
He never choreographed any of her routines
He never has directed any of her videos.

Hmmm.

Oh hai, I forgot its the 'Jackson name' right? But last time I checked, Mijac is the 7th of 9 children, he ain't her daddy falloff
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I don't think anyone got the grasp of my topic, lol. Despite post-2004 syndrome in regards to Janet's career, what has Michael been doing for fans to enjoy? What is he doing? It doesn't matter how much or how less Discipline sold, she's releasing music for her fans, she's going on tour, she's performing on television, etc. I'm not asking who is more talented, who has made a bigger impact, blah blah blah, thats already a given. We all know he's a legend, we all know he's outsold and done just about everything there is to be done, yada yada yada oh em gee. But it was HE who nearly singlehandedly let his image and personal life take over his name (and not in a good way) dired his reputation -- don't tell me the first thing you think of when you hear the name 'Michael Jackson' isn't you-know-what just by subconscious default?

I AM A STAN, BUT EVEN I CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ALL HE HAS BEEN DOING IS MAKING UNKEPT PROMISES OF MUSIC/ALBUMS, MARRYING THE SAME PERSON TWICE A YEAR, GOING SHOPPING AND LOSING AND KEEPING NEVERLAND.

And a note: I've came across maybe two Thriller 25 articles and several Discipline CD reviews, maybe I need to read the news more than, lol.

SoulAlive said:

Isn't Michael's 'Thriller' re-release outselling Janet's 'Discipline' CD? That's surprising.


Thats a Pop Catalog chart, not the Billboard 200; its a re-release of an almost three decade album, not a recent album.

Timmy84 said:

SoulAlive said:

Isn't Michael's 'Thriller' re-release outselling Janet's 'Discipline' CD? That's surprising.


Yep.

Thriller is like an estimated 500,000 right now while Discipline is stuck at the 380,000 range. It could be gold by the end of the year though.


Last time I checked it [Discipline] was around the 600,000s?
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Reply #20 posted 05/22/08 4:26pm

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No way.

MJ fans hold him to the highest regard of any artist. If you look at his worldwide stats he beats out his lil sis in every way. I love them both, but I'm overall partial to Janet. However, if Michael were putting out records every two years as she has been and still doing performances on TV and such, then it may be even for me.

I think MJ fans are just jealous of JJ's fans getting more output. But they always have the 25 different versions of "Thriller" to fawn over at any given moment.
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Reply #21 posted 05/22/08 4:59pm

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floetcist said:[quote]

Cinnamon234 said:

Janet is NOT relevant these days really. Mike is more relevant than her any day of the week. Just turn on the radio or tv, who are a lot of these artists imitating and sampling?


Because young artists these days aren't imitating and sampling Janet????? You must be out yo' mind.



Michael made Janet yet...

He never wrote any of her songs.
He never choreographed any of her routines
He never has directed any of her videos.

Hmmm.

Oh hai, I forgot its the 'Jackson name' right? But last time I checked, Mijac is the 7th of 9 children, he ain't her daddy falloff
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I find it extremely hard to believe that Janet would have come up with the concept of dance, videos and big concert productions without the influence of her brother. does that mean she has not made a legacy for herself, ofcourse not, but she saw the impact it did for her brother and she took it and ran with it, and did it well, in addition to being paired up with the mastery of jj and tl at the time.

Are MJ fans jealous of jj. maybe, especially now with janet's much anticipated tour coming up, i would be quite frustrated waiting for new music or tour and continuing to get nothing.
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Reply #22 posted 05/22/08 5:04pm

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paper said:



Did he really say that eek. Has Prince ever met Janet and is he in talking terms with Jimmy and Terry.


well, i am not surprised that prince would throw out a sexist comment like that, would you?

How the hell is that sexist? He's putting her in perspective. Simple as that. It's nice to hear Prince talking real for once, although I doubt if he would have said the same thing before Nipplegate. He was not impressed by that, lol.
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Reply #23 posted 05/22/08 5:06pm

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I don't think anyone got the grasp of my topic, lol. Despite post-2004 syndrome in regards to Janet's career, what has Michael been doing for fans to enjoy? What is he doing? It doesn't matter how much or how less Discipline sold, she's releasing music for her fans, she's going on tour, she's performing on television, etc. I'm not asking who is more talented, who has made a bigger impact, blah blah blah, thats already a given. We all know he's a legend, we all know he's outsold and done just about everything there is to be done, yada yada yada oh em gee. But it was HE who nearly singlehandedly let his image and personal life take over his name (and not in a good way) dired his reputation -- don't tell me the first thing you think of when you hear the name 'Michael Jackson' isn't you-know-what just by subconscious default?

I AM A STAN, BUT EVEN I CAN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT ALL HE HAS BEEN DOING IS MAKING UNKEPT PROMISES OF MUSIC/ALBUMS, MARRYING THE SAME PERSON TWICE A YEAR, GOING SHOPPING AND LOSING AND KEEPING NEVERLAND.

And a note: I've came across maybe two Thriller 25 articles and several Discipline CD reviews, maybe I need to read the news more than, lol.

SoulAlive said:

Isn't Michael's 'Thriller' re-release outselling Janet's 'Discipline' CD? That's surprising.


Thats a Pop Catalog chart, not the Billboard 200; its a re-release of an almost three decade album, not a recent album.



Yep.

Thriller is like an estimated 500,000 right now while Discipline is stuck at the 380,000 range. It could be gold by the end of the year though.


Last time I checked it [Discipline] was around the 600,000s?[/quote]

Nah, it's like 381,600 copies now according to Soundscan. It did 600,000 WORLDWIDE though.
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Reply #24 posted 05/22/08 5:09pm

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What in the world should they be jealous of?
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badujunkie said:


I think MJ fans are just jealous of JJ's fans getting more output. But they always have the 25 different versions of "Thriller" to fawn over at any given moment.


I co-sign with this post.
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Reply #26 posted 05/22/08 5:16pm

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What in the world should they be jealous of?


Some mad MJ ain't touring like Janet.
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Reply #27 posted 05/22/08 5:20pm

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musicjunky318 said:

What in the world should they be jealous of?


Some mad MJ ain't touring like Janet.

lol, in that case MJ fans might as well be jealous of EVERYONE, lol.
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Reply #28 posted 05/22/08 5:31pm

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Timmy84 said:


Nah, it's like 381,600 copies now according to Soundscan. It did 600,000 WORLDWIDE though.



Thats a shame, i got it, i really enjoyed it, and i skipped over 20YO...


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midnightmover said:

sosgemini said:



well, i am not surprised that prince would throw out a sexist comment like that, would you?

How the hell is that sexist? He's putting her in perspective. Simple as that. It's nice to hear Prince talking real for once, although I doubt if he would have said the same thing before Nipplegate. He was not impressed by that, lol.


how is it sexist? equating a successful female, within any industry, to a male is sexist IMHO.
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