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Thread started 06/29/06 7:23am

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The greatest women in alternative music

By Pedro Tejada


June 16, 2006

In music, certain genres/styles are so unfairly overlooked for the flavor of the month that they never get the recognition they deserve. No one embodies this more than the alternative female.

They're the "weird white chicks" who dare to jump off cliffs musically, using every inch of passion they have in their usually waiflike bodies, and end up getting adored by devout-bordering-on-cult groups of fans.

They also never sell many copies of their amazingly innovative and artistic albums. Here are five who deserve to be acknowledged in modern music history:

5. Sarah McLachlan:
If you still need some help defining what an alternative female in music is, look to the poster girl of the bunch, Sarah McLachlan. She's captivated the alternative pop/rock crowd with her poetically autobiographical lyrics and earthy vocals, and she's the founder of the greatest movement in alternative female history, Lilith Fair. She's also been the soundtrack to yoga addicts worldwide -- how could you not love her for that? Best Work to Date: Fumbling Towards Ecstasy (1994).

4. PJ Harvey:
Polly Jean Harvey has left a pretty enormous dent in the alternative rock universe. Think of every self-proclaimed "riot grrl" since 1992, and no matter who you say, they've all been influenced one way or another by PJ Harvey. She's possibly the most critically praised of this whole bunch, and it's not hard to see why: Her guitar riffs are filled with energy, her phrasing sends shivers down your spine, and we haven't seen as much passion and emotion live or in the studio since Janis Joplin. She's even topped Q Magazine's "100 Women Who Rock the World." Tell me that isn't "greatest" material! BWTD: Rid of Me (1993).

3. Tori Amos:
She's a red-haired "siren" who plays the piano like a madwoman in her brilliant live performances, and she's a prolific one who always keeps us guessing with her quirky and unpredictable albums. And I'm not just saying this because I'm one of her biggest fanatics! She sings about a variety of taboo subjects, such as her personal rape experience (Me and a Gun), closet homosexuality (Riot Poof), and religious devotion (God). Absolutely no one has done more for the alternative female these past 15 years in terms of credibility than Amos, despite several cynical detractors considering her an "oddball" with "little substance." BWTD: Under the Pink (1994).

2. Björk:
Sure, she beat a reporter for welcoming her to Bangkok ... and she wore a swan (yes, a swan) to the Academy Awards in 2001. But put all those infamous stories aside and you'll see Björk for what she really is: a music genius. She still stands as the weirdest yet most unique artist out there, and she's been at this music thing for about two decades. She's been praised for her otherworldly vocal gymnastics, her stylishly eccentric videos, and the unpredictability she evokes in the one thing she loves most: her music. So besides the fashion sense and the temper, Björk is one of the biggest breaths of fresh air in music history. BWTD: Homogenic (1997).

1. Kate Bush:
Take another look at every single woman in this countdown ... take one really good look. In case you didn't know, British rocker Kate Bush has influenced every one of them. She was the first-ever alternative woman in music when she entered the music world from across the pond in 1978 with her debut, The Kick Inside. Even now, Bush stands as the perfect example of what every alternative woman should aspire to be: A super-cool woman with dangerously recognizable vocals who can jump off cliffs musically without showing any sign of slowing down. Although she hasn't sold much in the United States, and she's sometimes known for being weirder than Björk and Tori Amos combined, Bush has influenced most of our favorite artists, everyone from Pat Benatar to Big Boi of Outkast to Coldplay. Kate Bush, I honor you as the greatest alternative woman in music history.
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Reply #1 posted 06/29/06 7:32am

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I dunno about Sarah McLachlan. I don't consider her edgy at all. Why not have Dido on the list then? rolleyes
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Reply #2 posted 06/29/06 7:33am

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Sarah McLachlan? Alternative? Elevators are an alternative to stairs, and that's likely where you'd hear her music. So maybe they're right.
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Reply #3 posted 06/29/06 7:33am

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sextonseven said:

I dunno about Sarah McLachlan. I don't consider her edgy at all. Why not have Dido on the list then? rolleyes


I know. The guy may as well have included Enya. lol
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Reply #4 posted 06/29/06 7:39am

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I guess I can't fault Sarah's motives for creating the Lilith Fair, but what that tour actually became was kinda lame. I go see women perform live every month, but I would not be caught dead at a Lilith Fair show based on its artist roster.
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Reply #5 posted 06/29/06 7:45am

Anx

replace sarah mcstinkeye with letitia sadler of stereolab, and replace p.j. harvey with patti smith (i love polly jean but she wouldn't exist without patti), and maybe we can talk.
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Reply #6 posted 06/29/06 7:50am

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They're the "weird white chicks"

hmmm¨

What about Tracy Champan or Erikha?
[Edited 6/29/06 7:52am]
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Reply #7 posted 06/29/06 7:54am

Anx

grace jones is an alternative to reality!
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Reply #8 posted 06/29/06 7:58am

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Anx said:

replace sarah mcstinkeye with letitia sadler of stereolab, and replace p.j. harvey with patti smith (i love polly jean but she wouldn't exist without patti), and maybe we can talk.


"Greatest" seems to mean biggest in this case which is why Sarah is on the list unfortunately. And Patti predates the whole alternative thing. It's like calling The Stooges punk. I mean of course they are punk, but they aren't "punk" if what I'm saying makes any sense.
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Reply #9 posted 06/29/06 8:04am

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grace jones is an alternative to reality!

nod I'd let her pull up to my bumper.
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Reply #10 posted 06/29/06 8:16am

Anx

sextonseven said:

Anx said:

replace sarah mcstinkeye with letitia sadler of stereolab, and replace p.j. harvey with patti smith (i love polly jean but she wouldn't exist without patti), and maybe we can talk.


"Greatest" seems to mean biggest in this case which is why Sarah is on the list unfortunately. And Patti predates the whole alternative thing. It's like calling The Stooges punk. I mean of course they are punk, but they aren't "punk" if what I'm saying makes any sense.


madonna is more "alternative" than sarah mcsloblan.
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Reply #11 posted 06/29/06 8:19am

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Margo Timmins - Cowboy Junkies
Natalie Merchant

Not sure I would consider either totally alternative, however neither are they what would be considered mainstream.
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Reply #12 posted 06/29/06 8:20am

Anx

what is siouxsie sioux? country?
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Reply #13 posted 06/29/06 8:28am

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Anx said:

sextonseven said:



"Greatest" seems to mean biggest in this case which is why Sarah is on the list unfortunately. And Patti predates the whole alternative thing. It's like calling The Stooges punk. I mean of course they are punk, but they aren't "punk" if what I'm saying makes any sense.


madonna is more "alternative" than sarah mcsloblan.


Attitude-wise? Definitely.

Music-wise? The way her music gets people in an uproar sometimes, I may have to say yes to that also.
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Reply #14 posted 06/29/06 8:28am

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Anx said:

what is siouxsie sioux? country?


Siouxsie gets the shaft so often from the media, I don't even question it anymore. neutral
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Reply #15 posted 06/29/06 9:43am

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Reply #16 posted 06/29/06 10:02am

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Juliana Hatfield
a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on
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Reply #17 posted 06/29/06 10:05am

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RipHer2Shreds said:

Anx said:

grace jones is an alternative to reality!

nod I'd let her pull up to my bumper.
But isn't the bumper supposed to be...

oh nevermind.

Have fun. Post details here.
Why do you like playing around with my narrow scope of reality? - Stupify
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Reply #18 posted 06/29/06 10:07am

RipHer2Shreds

anon said:

RipHer2Shreds said:


nod I'd let her pull up to my bumper.
But isn't the bumper supposed to be...

oh nevermind.

Have fun. Post details here.

I know, I know. She's not equipped with a long black limousine.
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Reply #19 posted 06/29/06 10:16am

miguelbulcao

Kate Bush or Yoko
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Reply #20 posted 06/29/06 10:22am

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miguelbulcao said:

Kate Bush or Yoko


if yoko qualifies, so should patti. nod
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Reply #21 posted 06/29/06 10:56am

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Anx said:

miguelbulcao said:

Kate Bush or Yoko


if yoko qualifies, so should patti. nod


Guess also did her pioneering stuff! Dont know alot of her work...What do you recommend?
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Reply #22 posted 06/29/06 11:07am

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zzz

Where the fuck is Ani Difranco...you don't get more alternative than Ani...


and Eryka Badu?
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literal people scare me
out there trying to rid the world of its poetry
while getting it wrong fundamentally
down at the church of "look, it says right here, see!" - ani difranco
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Reply #23 posted 06/29/06 11:10am

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TheResistor said:

zzz

Where the fuck is Ani Difranco...you don't get more alternative than Ani...


and Eryka Badu?


Ani pioneered women labels...Great sense of independence
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Reply #24 posted 06/29/06 11:11am

miguelbulcao

sextonseven said:

I dunno about Sarah McLachlan. I don't consider her edgy at all. Why not have Dido on the list then? rolleyes


She's the Bob Geldolf of Women concerts! lol
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Reply #25 posted 06/29/06 11:14am

Anx

miguelbulcao said:

Anx said:



if yoko qualifies, so should patti. nod


Guess also did her pioneering stuff! Dont know alot of her work...What do you recommend?


she has a great best-of collection called "LAND" that i highly recommend. her first few albums are great, too. "horses", "easter", anything from the '70s or early '80s. i hear good things about her recent stuff too, but i haven't heard any of it.
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Reply #26 posted 06/29/06 11:51am

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TheResistor said:

zzz

Where the fuck is Ani Difranco...you don't get more alternative than Ani...


and Eryka Badu?


Ani is very alternative, but I don't think she's made as much an impact or sold as many records as the five women listed above.

Erykah Badu is soul, not alternative.
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Reply #27 posted 06/29/06 11:58am

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sextonseven said:

Anx said:

replace sarah mcstinkeye with letitia sadler of stereolab, and replace p.j. harvey with patti smith (i love polly jean but she wouldn't exist without patti), and maybe we can talk.


"Greatest" seems to mean biggest in this case which is why Sarah is on the list unfortunately. And Patti predates the whole alternative thing. It's like calling The Stooges punk. I mean of course they are punk, but they aren't "punk" if what I'm saying makes any sense.

Kate Bush predates the alternative movement too.
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Reply #28 posted 06/29/06 11:59am

GangstaFam

And my 3 favorite alterna-chicks are here, so I can't complain too much about this list.

Surprised Courtney Love isn't in there somewhere.
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Reply #29 posted 06/29/06 12:01pm

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sextonseven said:

Anx said:



madonna is more "alternative" than sarah mcsloblan.


Attitude-wise? Definitely.

Music-wise? The way her music gets people in an uproar sometimes, I may have to say yes to that also.

Erotica and Ray of Light are borderline alternative records too.
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