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Reply #30 posted 06/23/06 11:37am

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I like Alicia Keys, but as someone as said she is overrated because many there are not many artists out there who actually sing and play instruments anymore. But people like Roberta Flack were doing that before Alicia was born..
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Reply #31 posted 06/23/06 11:53am

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Mos def her PHONY act is what bothers me the most. I could give 2 shits about her being overrated. I don't pay no mind to the press/media nowadays when it comes to selecting a good newcomer anyways.

But I don't buy the whole "I carry a razor blade in my purse" bullshit. Generally speaking, its the IN thing nowdays to see everybody and their momma including lil' white girls from the sburbs trying to gain street credibility, let alone her corny ass.

Sadly, the image NEVER last. Whitney tried desparatly to live up to an image which never belonged to her, same thing is happening with Alicia.

Same shit, different day. And the one to blame is Clive Davis, not even Alicia Keys.
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Reply #32 posted 06/23/06 12:24pm

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Two things,

1) Prince has played with this hack no-talent goofy-looking wanna-be at Paisley Park no less. Despite this, Prince of all people *has* to know this girl ain't shit. Man, Prince mind don't never stray too far from the bottom line and keeping his career relevant. She's having a better career now than he is, she's young, has a young audience, so do the math. He can't *possibly* dig her bullshit version of "How Come You Don't Call Me Any More".

2) Anyone who lives in Los Angeles has been inundated with these monstrous nauseauting, outrageous KJLH billboards that have been up all over town with prominent headshots of both Marvin Gaye and Alicia Keyes that say "From Marvin to Alicia". OK, so now AK has contributed so much to our country and culture that not only is she referred to on a first-name only basis, but she is given equal billing with Marvin Gaye? I don't mean to start a Marvin thread, here, but Marvin Gaye was just about God incarnated on Earth as a musician. He was larger than music in so many ways. He was the soul of this country. Stevie Wonder (he owns radio-station KJLH in Los Angeles) needs to be made aware if he is not of this, and checked for employing the idiots responsible for this sacriligious billboard campaign. It is deeply offensive. Marvin is sacred. You do not fuck around with Marvin Gaye's legacy like this. AK is drunk with fantasies of being some sort of modern-day Lyn Collins for the multi-cultural masses. What a bunch of shit! She has contributed NOTHING positive to this country - all she's done is make her audience *dumber* about music and culture and America than they already were. If this were the 70s AT BEST she'd be playing to drunks at the corner bar to get by. And people that say she's cute, well...to each his/her own...but I think a move to Los Angeles is in order for some of y'all. A stint in LA will cure most of you of thinking this girl is cute.

Further, I bet if you asked the average Alicia Keys "fan" to name THREE of their favorite AK songs, most of them could not name more than one or two off the top of their heads. For crying out loud, *they* don't even *really* like her! They have just been *told* relentlessly by the media that they *should* and that they *do*, and so they *think* they do.

This is so, so, so true!!!! I agree with everything you said. As regards the Prince thing, it's truly pathetic how he associates himself with any young, popular act who likes him. The sad thing is I think when it's convenient he can genuinely convince himself that these pygmys are really good. I just hope now he's back in touch with Wendy & Lisa they can straighten the brother out. He's got his priorities seriously mixed up.
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Reply #33 posted 06/23/06 12:30pm

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No, not really but now Beyonce' she's overated.
Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U.
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Reply #34 posted 06/23/06 12:39pm

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Graycap23 said:



I'd agree but Rachelle is pretty much a JAZZ artist so she would not even be on the radar screen.

I knew that would be the argument when I picked her as an example.
Don't know the woman, but I get the impression that she wouldn't go for being boxed and bottled up as a Pop artist anyway.
It's just that her pedigree fits the bill that they're using to market Alicia.

It's interesting to note however that her initial contract allowed for her to record for 2 labels.
Capital for Pop and Blue Note for Jazz. So she's got options.


I can see her kicking a bunch of current ass for the crown of...bites tongue...Neo-Soul queen.


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Reply #35 posted 06/23/06 12:46pm

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Graycap23 said:



I'd agree but Rachelle is pretty much a JAZZ artist so she would not even be on the radar screen.

I knew that would be the argument when I picked her as an example.
Don't know the woman, but I get the impression that she wouldn't go for being boxed and bottled up as a Pop artist anyway.
It's just that her pedigree fits the bill that they're using to market Alicia.

It's interesting to note however that her initial contract allowed for her to record for 2 labels.
Capital for Pop and Blue Note for Jazz. So she's got options.


I can see her kicking a bunch of current ass for the crown of...bites tongue...Neo-Soul queen.


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That is a BAD woman now.....believe me. She is one of my favorite female vocalist of ALL-TIME. I'm going back some 60 plus years of artists when I say that.....
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Reply #36 posted 06/23/06 12:48pm

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(as I turn up that duet w/her and Will Downing wink )

Nothing has ever been this right.
No-thing-so-sweeeeet. In my life
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Reply #37 posted 06/23/06 12:55pm

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Graycap23 said:



That is a BAD woman now.....believe me. She is one of my favorite female vocalist of ALL-TIME. I'm going back some 60 plus years of artists when I say that.....

It's quite a shame that she's not as well known as an artist like Alicia and others.
I really have nothing against any artist that breaks through in this business to tell you the truth.
It's a tough nut to crack and we all know that, especially these days, you don't make it on merit.
However that doesn't mean that i'll purchase a product I consider inferior (based on my preferences).

Rachelle is special. cool


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Reply #38 posted 06/23/06 1:01pm

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theAudience said:

Graycap23 said:



That is a BAD woman now.....believe me. She is one of my favorite female vocalist of ALL-TIME. I'm going back some 60 plus years of artists when I say that.....

It's quite a shame that she's not as well known as an artist like Alicia and others.
I really have nothing against any artist that breaks through in this business to tell you the truth.
It's a tough nut to crack and we all know that, especially these days, you don't make it on merit.
However that doesn't mean that i'll purchase a product I consider inferior (based on my preferences).

Rachelle is special. cool


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I've never heard this woman. Where can I hear her stuff? Can you post a link?
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Reply #39 posted 06/23/06 1:09pm

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whoknows said:


I've never heard this woman. Where can I hear her stuff? Can you post a link?

Her website (http://www.rachelleferrell.com/) is currently "Under Construction" but any of the music sites like www.allmusic.com or iTunes usually have short samples you can listen to.


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Reply #40 posted 06/23/06 1:12pm

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I don't think she's overrated as much as she's overhyped. I've seen her play enough to know that she is a good pianist. Its funny how people dismiss her playing by saying she does "a few classical runs here and there" but really, you have to be somewhat advanced of a player to do them. She can play. She's not the greatest or anything but she can play.
I've heard her vocals go off key many times. I hear many vocalists tha aren't singing to a track go off key. Most people don't have perfect pitch. You at last know its live instead of a track and I respect that because many, many shows are tracked these days and the audience doesn't know it because it can be done so well that you can't tell easily. The problem is how she was presented to the public. She was presented as this greater-than-thou musical prodigy instead of being presented as a regular singer and leaving perception to the public. They slung every buzzword they could think of when they marketed her and built this hype that nobody could have ever actually live up to when the smoke cleared. You can't blame her for running with it. What would you do when a company is throwing wads of money at you and making all of your dreams come true?
As for the "cute" thing, that's so true. If she wasn't pretty, she'd be....Amanda Perez.


co sign, but amanda perez was a cutie wink
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Reply #41 posted 06/23/06 1:13pm

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theAudience said:

Graycap23 said:



That is a BAD woman now.....believe me. She is one of my favorite female vocalist of ALL-TIME. I'm going back some 60 plus years of artists when I say that.....

It's quite a shame that she's not as well known as an artist like Alicia and others.
I really have nothing against any artist that breaks through in this business to tell you the truth.
It's a tough nut to crack and we all know that, especially these days, you don't make it on merit.
However that doesn't mean that i'll purchase a product I consider inferior (based on my preferences).

Rachelle is special. cool


tA

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No question. Her cd from about 4 years ago, (I forget the title) is ONE of my favorite cd's that I own. I own ALOT of music. She is unbelievable and on point in concert.

I'd love 2 see her and Lalah Hawthaway battle it out on stage. That would be crazy.....
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Reply #42 posted 06/23/06 1:14pm

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Graycap23 said:

I had a discussion with some musicians the other night whom all seem to LOVE Alicia Keys. I believe her 2 have some decent talent but she is way overrated in my opinion.

The following is why I believe her to be overrated:
1. Almost half of her songs are based on old classics regardless of how clever she tries 2 hide that fact.
2. Her voice during live performances ALWAYS goes out of key in EVERY song.
3. Her piano playing is very suspect 2 me. It's like she knows a hand full of chords and that's it. I'm not impressed with her CHOPS at all.

What do you guys think? I believe that if she were not CUTE, she would not be considered as "good" as she is. I'll take India Arie over Alicia everyday of the week.


i can agree with u on number 2, most of the time i cant stand her live but i'm not sure about number one. aside from fallin and the cover of walk on by and how come....,what other ones are based on old classics?
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Reply #43 posted 06/23/06 1:15pm

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Graycap23 said:

I had a discussion with some musicians the other night whom all seem to LOVE Alicia Keys. I believe her 2 have some decent talent but she is way overrated in my opinion.

The following is why I believe her to be overrated:
1. Almost half of her songs are based on old classics regardless of how clever she tries 2 hide that fact.
2. Her voice during live performances ALWAYS goes out of key in EVERY song.
3. Her piano playing is very suspect 2 me. It's like she knows a hand full of chords and that's it. I'm not impressed with her CHOPS at all.

What do you guys think? I believe that if she were not CUTE, she would not be considered as "good" as she is. I'll take India Arie over Alicia everyday of the week.


i can agree with u on number 2, most of the time i cant stand her live but i'm not sure about number one. aside from fallin and the cover of walk on by and how come....,what other ones are based on old classics?



R u kidding me? Well over 60% of her music is "borrowed" from old tunes.
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Reply #44 posted 06/23/06 1:18pm

Graycap23

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Graycap23 said:

I had a discussion with some musicians the other night whom all seem to LOVE Alicia Keys. I believe her 2 have some decent talent but she is way overrated in my opinion.

The following is why I believe her to be overrated:
1. Almost half of her songs are based on old classics regardless of how clever she tries 2 hide that fact.
2. Her voice during live performances ALWAYS goes out of key in EVERY song.
3. Her piano playing is very suspect 2 me. It's like she knows a hand full of chords and that's it. I'm not impressed with her CHOPS at all.

What do you guys think? I believe that if she were not CUTE, she would not be considered as "good" as she is. I'll take India Arie over Alicia everyday of the week.


i can agree with u on number 2, most of the time i cant stand her live but i'm not sure about number one. aside from fallin and the cover of walk on by and how come....,what other ones are based on old classics?



If I can stand listening 2 her stuff, I'll make a list 4 u next week.
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Reply #45 posted 06/23/06 1:21pm

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whoknows said:

darkstranger521 said:

Two things,

1) Prince has played with this hack no-talent goofy-looking wanna-be at Paisley Park no less. Despite this, Prince of all people *has* to know this girl ain't shit. Man, Prince mind don't never stray too far from the bottom line and keeping his career relevant. She's having a better career now than he is, she's young, has a young audience, so do the math. He can't *possibly* dig her bullshit version of "How Come You Don't Call Me Any More".

2) Anyone who lives in Los Angeles has been inundated with these monstrous nauseauting, outrageous KJLH billboards that have been up all over town with prominent headshots of both Marvin Gaye and Alicia Keyes that say "From Marvin to Alicia". OK, so now AK has contributed so much to our country and culture that not only is she referred to on a first-name only basis, but she is given equal billing with Marvin Gaye? I don't mean to start a Marvin thread, here, but Marvin Gaye was just about God incarnated on Earth as a musician. He was larger than music in so many ways. He was the soul of this country. Stevie Wonder (he owns radio-station KJLH in Los Angeles) needs to be made aware if he is not of this, and checked for employing the idiots responsible for this sacriligious billboard campaign. It is deeply offensive. Marvin is sacred. You do not fuck around with Marvin Gaye's legacy like this. AK is drunk with fantasies of being some sort of modern-day Lyn Collins for the multi-cultural masses. What a bunch of shit! She has contributed NOTHING positive to this country - all she's done is make her audience *dumber* about music and culture and America than they already were. If this were the 70s AT BEST she'd be playing to drunks at the corner bar to get by. And people that say she's cute, well...to each his/her own...but I think a move to Los Angeles is in order for some of y'all. A stint in LA will cure most of you of thinking this girl is cute.

Further, I bet if you asked the average Alicia Keys "fan" to name THREE of their favorite AK songs, most of them could not name more than one or two off the top of their heads. For crying out loud, *they* don't even *really* like her! They have just been *told* relentlessly by the media that they *should* and that they *do*, and so they *think* they do.

This is so, so, so true!!!! I agree with everything you said. As regards the Prince thing, it's truly pathetic how he associates himself with any young, popular act who likes him. The sad thing is I think when it's convenient he can genuinely convince himself that these pygmys are really good. I just hope now he's back in touch with Wendy & Lisa they can straighten the brother out. He's got his priorities seriously mixed up.


Agreed! I do wonder sometimes what he and Sheila *really* talk about when they talk about music. You know, one badass motherfuckin' musician to another. You know privately they ain't pullin' no punches when it comes to talking about wack bullshit. But career is entirely another thing.
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Reply #46 posted 06/23/06 1:28pm

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Graycap23 said:

Moonwalkbjrain said:



i can agree with u on number 2, most of the time i cant stand her live but i'm not sure about number one. aside from fallin and the cover of walk on by and how come....,what other ones are based on old classics?



If I can stand listening 2 her stuff, I'll make a list 4 u next week.


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Reply #47 posted 06/23/06 1:41pm

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Okay, Alicia is a good pianist. I'd hire her for gigs. giggle The "cute" thing does work towards her advantage, but that's the way it is in the business, especially for females. Her singing, to me, is tolerable and slightly better than her most of her female counterparts, even when she's off key. Because let's just be honest, MOST females in the R&B/Pop game are not singers--they're vocalists. As for her songwriting and production, it's OK. I can at least appreciate the honesty and the fact that she's not singing about mindlessness.
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Reply #48 posted 06/23/06 1:46pm

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Adisa said:

Okay, Alicia is a good pianist. I'd hire her for gigs. giggle The "cute" thing does work towards her advantage, but that's the way it is in the business, especially for females. Her singing, to me, is tolerable and slightly better than her most of her female counterparts, even when she's off key. Because let's just be honest, MOST females in the R&B/Pop game are not singers--they're vocalists. As for her songwriting and production, it's OK. I can at least appreciate the honesty and the fact that she's not singing about mindlessness.



True. I'm NOT mad at her but I trip off people whom THINK she is a female Prince. That is insulting my intellect.
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Reply #49 posted 06/23/06 2:58pm

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I don't think she's overrated as much as she's overhyped. I've seen her play enough to know that she is a good pianist. Its funny how people dismiss her playing by saying she does "a few classical runs here and there" but really, you have to be somewhat advanced of a player to do them. She can play. She's not the greatest or anything but she can play.
I've heard her vocals go off key many times. I hear many vocalists tha aren't singing to a track go off key. Most people don't have perfect pitch. You at last know its live instead of a track and I respect that because many, many shows are tracked these days and the audience doesn't know it because it can be done so well that you can't tell easily. The problem is how she was presented to the public. She was presented as this greater-than-thou musical prodigy instead of being presented as a regular singer and leaving perception to the public. They slung every buzzword they could think of when they marketed her and built this hype that nobody could have ever actually live up to when the smoke cleared. You can't blame her for running with it. What would you do when a company is throwing wads of money at you and making all of your dreams come true?
As for the "cute" thing, that's so true. If she wasn't pretty, she'd be....Amanda Perez.

Again, as usual, my boy Blaque is on point. I saw Alicia at The Wiltern during Grammy week the first year she cleaned house. I was sorta looking for a Roberta Flack styled artist, which would have been off the hook. I hadn't heard her album, just her singles, which I couldn't get with. The only reason I went was because I went with this girl who had passes. The P version of "How Come" which SHOULD have been a breeze for a female who plays piano to pull off, she didn't even come close. It sounded awkward and un-natural and forced. I don't doubt that she didn't really dig the song, but it came across as trying to gain credibility by covering a Prince b-side. I got the notion of the next Roberta Flack crap from all the hype the media was building up about Alcia. Hell, I thought, at least she dresses like Roberta Flack did in the early 70's. Live, although I thought she had talent for someone her age, it was far from any form of a prodigy and NO where near Roberta Flack status, no female Stevie Wonder and all the other way out comments the media was pushing. She STILL needs to do other songwriter's material and she should definately, at the very most, co-write with some seasoned veterans. Her material, more than anything, exposes her weaknes. Everyone knows why she's the media's darling and it's her looks. Her album was waay below par with India's but India doesn't look like Alicia and Alicia fit's America's standard of what beauty is. Still, as far as talent, Alicia can't hold a candle to Arie, but sadly, we all know it's not just about that. Because if it was, India would have had those awards and not got shut down like she did.
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Reply #50 posted 06/23/06 3:27pm

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Graycap23 said:

whoknows said:

The key point has already been made twice now but it's worth making again. She....is.....FAKE!!! Also smug beyond belief. Her songs are without any originality. The lyrics are cornball. The melodies are all stolen. She has no more depth than Beyonce, Mariah, and the rest but she pretends she does. Because she plays piano and doesn't take her clothes off, people go along with it. It's style over content, but it pretends to be the opposite which is what makes it so insidious.



Good point. I forgot 2 even mention the "FAKE" attitude she puts out. I agree 100% on that.



what do you mean by fake attitude? what's fake about her??
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Reply #51 posted 06/23/06 4:07pm

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Again, as usual, my boy Blaque is on point. I saw Alicia at The Wiltern during Grammy week the first year she cleaned house. I was sorta looking for a Roberta Flack styled artist, which would have been off the hook. I hadn't heard her album, just her singles, which I couldn't get with. The only reason I went was because I went with this girl who had passes. The P version of "How Come" which SHOULD have been a breeze for a female who plays piano to pull off, she didn't even come close. It sounded awkward and un-natural and forced. I don't doubt that she didn't really dig the song, but it came across as trying to gain credibility by covering a Prince b-side. I got the notion of the next Roberta Flack crap from all the hype the media was building up about Alcia. Hell, I thought, at least she dresses like Roberta Flack did in the early 70's. Live, although I thought she had talent for someone her age, it was far from any form of a prodigy and NO where near Roberta Flack status, no female Stevie Wonder and all the other way out comments the media was pushing. She STILL needs to do other songwriter's material and she should definately, at the very most, co-write with some seasoned veterans. Her material, more than anything, exposes her weaknes. Everyone knows why she's the media's darling and it's her looks. Her album was waay below par with India's but India doesn't look like Alicia and Alicia fit's America's standard of what beauty is. Still, as far as talent, Alicia can't hold a candle to Arie, but sadly, we all know it's not just about that. Because if it was, India would have had those awards and not got shut down like she did.



Say that shit, man! Pretty girls make the best industry whores. As I have posted MANY times before, its the HYPE GENERATION. All you have to do is say something loud enough and enough times and the youngstas of today believe it. There's no show and prove anymore. Even when you do show and fail to prove, fans who want to believe come in as armchair lawyers with the "opinion" defense and all is smoothed over in their minds. Alicia Cook, excuse me, Keys is as far from Roberta as Usher is from MJ. Oh, and they lied about her age at first, too.
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Reply #52 posted 06/23/06 5:19pm

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Graycap23 said:

I had a discussion with some musicians the other night whom all seem to LOVE Alicia Keys. I believe her 2 have some decent talent but she is way overrated in my opinion.

The following is why I believe her to be overrated:
1. Almost half of her songs are based on old classics regardless of how clever she tries 2 hide that fact.
2. Her voice during live performances ALWAYS goes out of key in EVERY song.
3. Her piano playing is very suspect 2 me. It's like she knows a hand full of chords and that's it. I'm not impressed with her CHOPS at all.

What do you guys think? I believe that if she were not CUTE, she would not be considered as "good" as she is. I'll take India Arie over Alicia everyday of the week.


For someone that looks up to Prince, Alicia Keys isn't funky at all. That's one more reason she's overrated at the moment.

She needs to take more risk with her music.
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Reply #53 posted 06/23/06 5:25pm

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darkstranger521 said:

Two things,

1) Prince has played with this hack no-talent goofy-looking wanna-be at Paisley Park no less. Despite this, Prince of all people *has* to know this girl ain't shit. Man, Prince mind don't never stray too far from the bottom line and keeping his career relevant. She's having a better career now than he is, she's young, has a young audience, so do the math. He can't *possibly* dig her bullshit version of "How Come You Don't Call Me Any More".


Apart from Ginawine/Timbaland, Prince never had any problem with artists covering his songs. He digs royality checks!!! wink
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Reply #54 posted 06/23/06 5:25pm

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TonyVanDam said:

Graycap23 said:

I had a discussion with some musicians the other night whom all seem to LOVE Alicia Keys. I believe her 2 have some decent talent but she is way overrated in my opinion.

The following is why I believe her to be overrated:
1. Almost half of her songs are based on old classics regardless of how clever she tries 2 hide that fact.
2. Her voice during live performances ALWAYS goes out of key in EVERY song.
3. Her piano playing is very suspect 2 me. It's like she knows a hand full of chords and that's it. I'm not impressed with her CHOPS at all.

What do you guys think? I believe that if she were not CUTE, she would not be considered as "good" as she is. I'll take India Arie over Alicia everyday of the week.


For someone that looks up to Prince, Alicia Keys isn't funky at all. That's one more reason she's overrated at the moment.

She needs to take more risk with her music.


i slightly disagree
its not really a Funk Factor
its just an overall creativity factor...

shes not doing anything special...
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Reply #55 posted 06/23/06 5:42pm

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Graycap23 said:

I had a discussion with some musicians the other night whom all seem to LOVE Alicia Keys. I believe her 2 have some decent talent but she is way overrated in my opinion.

The following is why I believe her to be overrated:
1. Almost half of her songs are based on old classics regardless of how clever she tries 2 hide that fact.
2. Her voice during live performances ALWAYS goes out of key in EVERY song.
3. Her piano playing is very suspect 2 me. It's like she knows a hand full of chords and that's it. I'm not impressed with her CHOPS at all.

What do you guys think? I believe that if she were not CUTE, she would not be considered as "good" as she is. I'll take India Arie over Alicia everyday of the week.
Very good topic Graycap. My opinion? 1).Yes. When Alicia first came out with "I Keep Fallin" one of my coworkers pointed out that the piano line sounds like James Brown's "It's A Man's World" 2)Her Voice isn't the strongest. I don't know about singing off key, But during "Unplugged" Her voice started out srong. But towards the end she sounded like Janet Jackson. 3) She's no George Duke on Piano. She's good not great. And as far as looks are concerned, I'll be very honest. If Indie Arie had Alicia Keyes looks, Her career would've skyrocketed. I'm not saying that Indie Arie is ugly. She's good looking to me. But..... Well I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, If Alicia were full figured like Jill Scott. or if her features were more afican-looking like Arie. She would'nt be as popular. I like both artists but if given a choice I would buy a Indie Arie cd.
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Reply #56 posted 06/23/06 5:56pm

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whoknows said:


I've never heard this woman. Where can I hear her stuff? Can you post a link?

eek Never heard of Rachelle Ferrell? Where were you in the early 90s?

Of course Alicia Keys is overrated. Giving her those Grammys over India.Arie was ridiculous, but what do you expect from an organization that gave Aretha an award for her worst ever performance?
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Reply #57 posted 06/23/06 8:39pm

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Her music is sub par, her songwriting is OK. I'd never buy an album or want to see her live. She's pretty boring.
I'll leave it alone babe...just be me
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Reply #58 posted 06/24/06 12:58am

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lol This thread is funny to me on so many levels

Like someone said, she is not overrated, but overhyped. She is very talented. She can play the piano very well, far beyond mediocre. There are some songs I really like by her. When I first heard fallin' I was impressed and I kept hearing those key words "prodigy" "incomparable" shit like that. I was sucker for it and bought the album. I couldn't finish it. I was angry over her version of How Come You Don't Call Me Anymore. She was only 1 when the b-side was released. I can only assume she heard it with the b-sides where released in '93. Why did she have to do THAT song of all songs??? I'm still pissed about that, but apparently Prince liked it. I finally listened to the album a few months ago all the way through. Still not floored or impressed like I thought I should be. Unfortunately, these youngs folks don't know shit about music and think she is authentic because it sounds familiar to them but they don't know why. Old folks like it because it brings nostalgia to their lives

Keep in mind:
1. She has made only 2 studio albums. TWO
2. She has only been in the business as an artist 5 years

Give her a chance to grow and hopefully live up to the hype

3. Her voice isn't any better or worse than the best or worse out there. Look at the other r&b female artists around her age. They all sing the same basically. She's not a bad singer. My only hope is that she stops trying to sing out of her range. I've witnessed this by her a few times. Know you limits or a least get the proper training to expand your limit. Don't just bust out with some shit at a performance

4. It's obvious she wants to be a soul artist

5. as to Almost half of her songs are based on old classics regardless of how clever she tries 2 hide that fact. The same can be said about Erykah Badu. She's trying to be Billie Holiday reincarnated

6. Yes, her looks help, but that doesn't negate she had to work hard to get her deal




Also, on her site she seems more real and vulnerable. She's a smart woman. She knows how to say alot and make her fans feel like she is sharing sooo much when she is really not sharing anything at all. I marvel at this because they don't get it
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Reply #59 posted 06/24/06 3:31am

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yeah yeah yeah, of course she's overrated, who isn't these days? What really bothers me is that, although she is kind of hot, she looks disturbingly like Ralph Macchio in drag. ill

hmm.....maybe its just me grenade
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