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PrintableDavidEye said: Cloudbuster said:  so,does this mean that you agree? Sure does. | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: rushing07 said: To be honest I like both. Disco is funky too. MAybe not Donna Summer disco but diana ross gets funky sometimes.
What I like about NEw JAck is shuffled rhythm and crazy sounds in the background (Ohhhh on the TLC tip...). Hard to say which one I like more. Depends on my mood. [Edited 9/26/05 16:45pm] Not so fast!  There was definitely some jazz and funk influence on Donna Summer's early work. I'm thinking specifically of the Love to Love You Baby album (the keyboard work on Need a Man Blues) and Four Seasons of Love album. Yeah, it disappeared in later albums, but it was there from the beginning.
OK you're right. Nevertheless, I do have that Love to Love You Baby video by Donna and I can honestly say it ain't funky. It's actually very hippy (The background flower-power dancers make me giggle everytime I see it) I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the dirt. | |
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VinnyM27 said: RipHer2Shreds said: Not so fast! There was definitely some jazz and funk influence on Donna Summer's early work. I'm thinking specifically of the Love to Love You Baby album (the keyboard work on Need a Man Blues) and Four Seasons of Love album. Yeah, it disappeared in later albums, but it was there from the beginning.
I liked a lot of New Jack and I love disco, primarily early disco. I think the problem with New Jack is that it never really got a chance to fully develop before it got washed out. Disco lasted a good long while before it became a joke. Back to Donna....can you really say that "Hot Stuff" isn't funky? Again, a little more obscure but "Once Upon A Time" had some really good funk on there. "If You Got It, Flaunt It" is prehaps her funkiest song ever! Yeah yeah, you're right. Still when i think of Donna Summer I don't hear funk in my head. But then again I don't know all of her discography. My bad. [Edited 9/27/05 11:46am] I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the dirt. | |
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CinisterCee said: This mix CD starts with some newjackswing, have you seen it? It's Canadian.
Baby Blue Soundcrew Urban Nostalgia 
Boyz II Men - Motownphilly Bell Biv Devoe - Poison Johnny Kemp - Just Got Paid Tony! Toni! Tone! - Feels Good Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock - It Takes Two DJ Mark & The 45 King - 900 Number De La Soul - Me, Myself and I Lisa Lisa & The Cult Jam - I Wonder If I Take You Home Cameo - Candy Mary J Blige - Real Love [Remix] LL Cool J - Doin’ It Ol Dirty Bastard - Shimmy Shimmy Ya Black Sheep - The Choice Is Yours EPMD - Crossover Jade - Don’t Walk Away BVSMP - I Need You Lionel Richie - All Night Long  Listen to me on The House of Pop Culture podcast on itunes http://itunes.apple.com/u...d438631917 | |
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npgmaverick said: CinisterCee said: This mix CD starts with some newjackswing, have you seen it? It's Canadian.
Baby Blue Soundcrew Urban Nostalgia
Boyz II Men - Motownphilly Bell Biv Devoe - Poison Johnny Kemp - Just Got Paid Tony! Toni! Tone! - Feels Good Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock - It Takes Two DJ Mark & The 45 King - 900 Number De La Soul - Me, Myself and I Lisa Lisa & The Cult Jam - I Wonder If I Take You Home Cameo - Candy Mary J Blige - Real Love [Remix] LL Cool J - Doin’ It Ol Dirty Bastard - Shimmy Shimmy Ya Black Sheep - The Choice Is Yours EPMD - Crossover Jade - Don’t Walk Away BVSMP - I Need You Lionel Richie - All Night Long I'm not mad at you, I'm mad at the dirt. | |
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NewJackSwing, hands down, because dancing to it doesn't require wide lapel polyester shirts, bellbottoms, and platform shoes. Nuff said! | |
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rushing07 said: npgmaverick said: Well spotted. WTF? indeed. Lional never did newjack  | |
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vainandy said: Disco over New Jack by 10 miles. Disco was my first love and actually, I never really left disco. When disco "died", I was not about to change my listening habits because of it. Rock and new wave took over the pop scene. That's when I started exploring R&B radio and discovered funk, which was fast paced and for the dance floor just like disco. In fact, early 1980s funk sounds better to me than earlier funk because of the influence that disco had left on it earlier. Even with rap songs like "Planet Rock" and "Egypt, Egypt", I hear the influence of disco. It's when rap songs lost their disco edge, that I started hating rap.
During the entire new jack era, I was listening to house music, which was a modern reincarnation of disco. . . [Edited 9/27/05 6:31am] In theory i would put u down as liking newjack. People who liked that early 80s minimalistic funk should of like at least early newjack like guy, basic black, today. But then again, it is very different. Newjack had layers upon layers of overdubs etc..... it was raw, but in a different and artificial way. "real" musicians proberly laugh at it. Having said that, both tony toni tone and mint condition started doing newjack. Heck even the time's "pandimonium" is almost newjack. | |
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thesexofit said: vainandy said: Disco over New Jack by 10 miles. Disco was my first love and actually, I never really left disco. When disco "died", I was not about to change my listening habits because of it. Rock and new wave took over the pop scene. That's when I started exploring R&B radio and discovered funk, which was fast paced and for the dance floor just like disco. In fact, early 1980s funk sounds better to me than earlier funk because of the influence that disco had left on it earlier. Even with rap songs like "Planet Rock" and "Egypt, Egypt", I hear the influence of disco. It's when rap songs lost their disco edge, that I started hating rap.
During the entire new jack era, I was listening to house music, which was a modern reincarnation of disco. . . [Edited 9/27/05 6:31am] In theory i would put u down as liking newjack. People who liked that early 80s minimalistic funk should of like at least early newjack like guy, basic black, today. But then again, it is very different. Newjack had layers upon layers of overdubs etc..... it was raw, but in a different and artificial way. "real" musicians proberly laugh at it. Having said that, both tony toni tone and mint condition started doing newjack. Heck even the time's "pandimonium" is almost newjack. I liked a lot of the early new jack also but I soon got bored with the way their drum machines sounded. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: I liked a lot of the early new jack also but I soon got bored with the way their drum machines sounded. Yeah them drum machines are kinda "love 'em or hate 'em" sorta thing. People really hate those snares. So in your face. But i love 'em. The snares went, and everything was put so far back into the mix rnb just got dull. Plus it got serious. | |
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npgmaverick said: CinisterCee said: This mix CD starts with some newjackswing, have you seen it? It's Canadian.
Baby Blue Soundcrew Urban Nostalgia
Boyz II Men - Motownphilly Bell Biv Devoe - Poison Johnny Kemp - Just Got Paid Tony! Toni! Tone! - Feels Good Rob Base & DJ E-Z Rock - It Takes Two DJ Mark & The 45 King - 900 Number De La Soul - Me, Myself and I Lisa Lisa & The Cult Jam - I Wonder If I Take You Home Cameo - Candy Mary J Blige - Real Love [Remix] LL Cool J - Doin’ It Ol Dirty Bastard - Shimmy Shimmy Ya Black Sheep - The Choice Is Yours EPMD - Crossover Jade - Don’t Walk Away BVSMP - I Need You Lionel Richie - All Night Long It's the "cool down" song at the end of their set. | |
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SexyBeautifulOne said: NewJackSwing, hands down, because dancing to it doesn't require wide lapel polyester shirts, bellbottoms, and platform shoes. Nuff said!
Amen!  RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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thesexofit said: VinnyM27 said: Back to Donna....can you really say that "Hot Stuff" isn't funky? Again, a little more obscure but "Once Upon A Time" had some really good funk on there. "If You Got It, Flaunt It" is prehaps her funkiest song ever! Interesting thing about donna, during the late 80's, she went the worst route possible and hooked up with brit producers stock aiken and waterman, who are perhaps, the worst factory churning hitmakers of all time. I c her video on sometimes. Its very funny. She is doing some weird ass running man move. Down a dark street. Very contrived, but fun and funny I like 2 songs by stovk aiken and waterman- "Respectable" by mel and kim (awesome song and funny video) and the all dancing "never gonna give you up" 
That video is so funny. I cannot copy his moves  "Another Place and Time" isn't viewed as one of her best albums but certainly isn't one of her worst, either. Possibly her strongest of the eighties ("The Wanderer" aside). Definatley a strong album considering it didn't have much songwriting involvement by her (most of her albums do). It worked. Some of the songs were very memorable, including "This Time..." and "Breakaway" (not like the Clarkson song). | |
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New Jack Swing was annoying to me.It was nothing but R&B mixed with a hip-hop beat,which may have been okay for the younger acts (Al B.Sure,Bobby Brown,etc) who appealed to a hip-hop crowd anyway.But it was embarassing watching older acts try to jump on that bandwagon.Remember these awful songs?....
"Workin Overtime" by Diana Ross (1988) "Just As Long As We're Together" by Al Green (1989) "It's Real" by James Ingram (1990) James later admitted that he hated the song "It's Real",insisting that his record company persuaded him to do it
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psychodelicide said: I don't like disco at all, but then again, I tend to hate on most things from the 70's, because that decade was so sucky.
 
I thought you loved 70s music.Weren't we just discussing Seals and Crofts? | |
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DavidEye said: psychodelicide said: I don't like disco at all, but then again, I tend to hate on most things from the 70's, because that decade was so sucky.
I thought you loved 70s music.Weren't we just discussing Seals and Crofts? I was wondering the same thing. | |
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[quote] DavidEye said: New Jack Swing was annoying to me.It was nothing but R&B mixed with a hip-hop beat,which may have been okay for the younger acts (Al B.Sure,Bobby Brown,etc) who appealed to a hip-hop crowd anyway.But it was embarassing watching older acts try to jump on that bandwagon.Remember these awful songs?....
"Workin Overtime" by Diana Ross (1988) "Just As Long As We're Together" by Al Green (1989) "It's Real" by James Ingram (1990) James later admitted that he hated the song "It's Real",insisting that his record company persuaded him to do it
... [Edited 9/28/05 5:20am] Yeah, i remember discussing those songs with u before I can see why u would be pissed off. I love all those songs u mentioned.
"its real" is superb. Teddy rarely did a bad song back then, and that song is newjack gold. "workin' overtime" sounds like Christopher max's "more then physical", also produced by Nile Rodgers. That song is better. I got the al green video. Al b sure! is in the video too. Dull video, but good song. Those "old" artists did do contrived newjack, but i love it. Newjack got no play in UK, and that sucks. Instead UK got euro acts like Snap! etc..... no rnb exposure back then. If only it was 1988 now, UK would be all up on it. Iam going to a newjakc party in london next mounth. Yeah u all heard, a newjakc night. Finially a chance to really dance [Edited 9/28/05 7:05am] | |
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those songs are crap and you know it  | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: DavidEye said:
I thought you loved 70s music.Weren't we just discussing Seals and Crofts? I was wondering the same thing. Some 70's stuff I like, but most of it is  .RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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psychodelicide said: RipHer2Shreds said: I was wondering the same thing. Some 70's stuff I like, but most of it is . | |
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RipHer2Shreds said: DavidEye said:
I thought you loved 70s music.Weren't we just discussing Seals and Crofts? I was wondering the same thing. Actually, I'm more of an 80's music lover. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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DavidEye said: those songs are crap and you know it
Nile rodgers didn't think so. U got a phobia of loud snares
Man, i would of loved to of walked into a club with "i want her" by keith swaet playing. Nile rodgers did some good shit in the late 80's. I noticed unfortunately diana's next album "the force behind the power", was back to MOR adult stuff. Dull, dull album, though the title track is good. | |
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thesexofit said: U got a phobia of loud snares
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thesexofit said: rushing07 said: Well spotted. WTF? indeed. Lional never did newjack It's so random. Did they choose the last track by dart toss? Listen to me on The House of Pop Culture podcast on itunes http://itunes.apple.com/u...d438631917 | |
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npgmaverick said: thesexofit said: Well spotted. WTF? indeed. Lional never did newjack It's so random. Did they choose the last track by dart toss? lol! | |
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