I just found the RRHOF clip of While My Guitar Gently Weeps on the George Harrison site, and there's another guitar solo being overdubbed at the end in place of Prince's!!! ...and it sucks ass compared 2 the original. Watch and listen. Who the $&%& did this and why?

http://www.georgeharrison...irect.html

hit "media", find it and play it. U may have 2 control your temper.

G.
[This message was edited Mon Jun 7 9:42:53 2004 by Giovanni777]

Look at the very end, while Prince was playing the beautiful two note pull-off, and the shitty guitar they overdubbed is just bending a note, and horribly.

This is an atrocity, and something MUST BE DONE.

G.

TRUST me... e-mail me, and send U both versions.

Prince played a two-note pull-off at the end. U can clearly see him playing that, and what U hear is some shitty overdub, with someone pulling a simple (and horrible) bend. It's obvious 2 any guitar player.

G.

First off, anybody know how to save this video? I've looked in my temp folder but it doesn't appear there... been looking for a high-res version for ages!

Secondly, I noticed the footage has been edited differently from the original transmission - For instance, if you look at the original version (with the VH1 symbol in the corner), at the point where he points his hand straight up in the air 3 times while still playing - you see him from side on, then you see him with his back to you, then you see it from side on again. But on this version you see him with his back while he points twice, then from side on for the final point. I am sure there are other changes too.

It may be that the original transmission used the cameras to record the sound and since they were focusing more on Prince they picked up his guitar solo far better. But when they've come to re-edit this, they've used the soundboard recordings to overdub the video. Certainly it seems to me that the piano is way too much to the front. On the final notes of Prince's guitar solo, they seem to bleed one of the other guitar players over the top - you can still hear prince's playing but only just!

The good thing is that on some parts of this video you hear Prince's guitar playing better and with a deeper sound - but it does seem they've tried to take away the emphasis somewhat from Prince and more onto the band as a whole, which seems a bit, ahem, petty.

I notice this clip is copyright and hosted by Warners.... need I say more!!

Good points, metalorange, but the fact is, you cannot hear Prince's two-note 'Santana-like' pull-off at the end at all.

Even if this was from the soundboard, it was most obviously intentionally buried to death in the mix. Because the footage shows Prince playing at that point, and all you can hear is the other guitar solo, people will most definate equate that awful noise to Prince. Also, that two note pull-off was my fav part of the whole solo. It seems as though Jeff Lynde or Tom Petty mixed Prince up when he made a few (slight) slips, and then buried him at the crowning glory of the song and of the solo.

Everyone here NEEDS 2 post on the Harrison site about this. I haven't yet, but e-mailed one of the forum mods there.

Peace,

G.

OK...

So not 2 many people here care about this, so I'll just let it go. We can just let the world think that Prince played like an amateur at the end of the song... no big deal... just the Rock&Roll Hall of Fame, and one of the greatest Prince solos on TV turned into noise, that's all.

Maybe I'll just shut up and play my guitar.

G.

Giovanni777 said:

y'know, folks can just search around on whatever file-sharing/p2p-thingamajig and find the orignal version. it ain't like this version is the only one out there now.

Giovanni777 said:

Blame the sound "technician"... Obviously the person working the soundboard was asleep, it's a horrible mix of the performance...

Neversin.

I take the George Harrisong’s website altering of Prince’s performance and state the following facts:

Dhani Harrison’s smiling as Prince played his dad’s song said it all…

The standing ovation Prince received as he played “While My Guitar Gently Weeps” said it all…

The fact that Prince has been in the music industry and it’s trifling ways for 25 years says it all…

And that says what?

THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER PRINCE ROGER NELSON.

And while I am in this purple frazzle, I may not like everything Prince does but I am a fan of his talent.

The Beatles stole a lot of music from many R&B artist and to date have never given credit where credit was due. Not a penny in songwriter royalties have been paid to the songwriters they stole the music from. “Life Goes On” is a rip off of “Save The Last Dance For Me”. Also these guys stayed together, seven years. That’s it.

Mr. Harrison was taken to court back in the late 70’s early 80’s for plagiarizing “He’s So Fine”. His song is entitled “My Sweet Lord”.

To date Prince has never had anyone (that I know of or heard of) accuse him of plagiarism. He doesn’t need to; God gave him music & talent in his DNA. If you draw Prince’s blood you’ll see musical notes in it.

So Harrisongs Ltd., George Harrison website et al – To you I say… “You don’t know jack.” Hari Krishna that mammajammas.

!Caramba, putos!

Boriqua1130 said:

While I appreciate your opinon... mine is, you can't compare The Beatles to Prince in this fashion. Prince played an excellent version of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" that exploited his amazing musicianship and what's more, he perfrormed a wonderfully written song by George Harrison (RIP) who was not only a true musician but a great humanitarian as well. I am a Beatle fan from way back - and I am a Prince fan as well. The Beatles together were an unbelievably brilliant force no matter how long they stayed together as a group and their contributions to rock music both together and individually are mamoth. Prince's contribution is also mamoth, as is his talent.... and I've heard rumors of Prince skipping the credit on some of his peeps as well (i.e. Wendi and Lisa).

I didn't hear what's on Harrison's site yet, but if Prince's performance was manipulated that truly sucks - it needs no enhancing because it was kickass! However, maligning the Beatles here makes no sense to me.

And to quote you: "Dhani Harrison’s smiling as Prince played his dad’s song said it all…"

When the show originally aired on VH-1 it showed a very nice guitar solo from Prince. I'm guessing more people saw that than this clip on George Harrison's site. I wouldn't stress over it too much.

I've pretty much let it go at this point, but the two note pull-off ending of that solo was a beautiful 'capstone' of his solo... it was my fav part of the solo.

I am a guitar player, sound engineer, and producer, and there's no excuse to mute or bury it that way. In fact, right after U can't hear the 2 note pull-off and vibrato, they mix him up again when he's taking the guitar off, and U can hear the Flanger... Now THAT's what I would call intentional. As I've said before, Dhani Harrison wouldn't like this if he heard about it. I sent an e-mail to a mod named "Mark" there, with no reply.

I don't like anyone misrepresented, musically or otherwise, and this is an important part of musical history.

Peace,

G.

they "allegedly"* stole the music from. “Life Goes On” is "allegedly"*a rip off of “Save The Last Dance For Me”. Also these guys stayed together, seven years. That’s it.

Mr. Harrison was taken to court back in the late 70’s early 80’s for "allegedly"* plagiarizing “He’s So Fine”. His song is entitled “My Sweet Lord”.

*Sorry for not stating this in my original post.

To Diminutive Rocker: Talk to the songwriters & their families, who didn't get paid. In fact, write a song, have it published, then "allegedly" ripped off. That is the music industry. The Beatles had their moment, I'm not saying it was bad. Just a lot of it was dishonest. That is my opinon, Dimi.

Tom said:

I'm gonna agree with Tom and call it a day

Boriqua1130 said:

Actually Prince was sued by his sister. She claimed to have written the line "Cookin in my book," which Prince used in U Got the Look. haha. She didn't win.

I don't know what song you mean by Life Goes On (must be Obladi Oblada?), but the Beatles did many covers for which they credited the songwriters. And they always admitted that their interest (along with Elvis) was American R&B--Ray Charles, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, etc. The fact that those musicians never got paid (if they didn't) is due to the corrupt industry, not because the Beatles are theives. They paid when it was right to pay. You said yourself that Harrison was sued for "He's so Fine." He lost and paid a lot of money, but probably to a corporation, not the artist. It's the nature of the business. I'm not saying it's right. Some old R&B singer (I forget his name) now owns the Beatles' music.

And no musician can be completely original all the time. Prince "stole" the line "wherever you go whatever you do...I will be right here waiting for you" from Richard Marx of all people. As far as I know, Richard's still waiting for his check. The beginning of "Forever in my Life" has always reminded me of "Everyday People," a song I'm sure Prince knows. What about "3 Chains 'o Gold" and "Bohemian Rhapsody," which was popular the year before.

"Life goes on is a rip off of Save The Last Dance For Me"

You've got to be kidding.

And if the Beatles ever 'ripped off' other people's music, then so did Prince - if 'being inspired by' is the same as 'ripped off'.

The most blatant example, already mentioned by Andyman, is 'Forever In My Life' which is a pastiche of 'Everyday People'.

And listen to the guitar flourishes in 'A Million Days' which is a literal steal from the Pixies' 'Debaser'.