Why is there 2 official videos on YouTube of this song. The Vevo one 60000 views and the other one 22000 views?

RJOrion said:

Alot of entitled and somewhat ignorant snobs always complaining and name calling about "the estate"... i ask you ALL... How many multi- million dollar estates hae any of YOU managed or been in charge of?... how many artists have any of YOU managed?..a bunch of you jealously acting like you can do a better job of managing the legal and logistical and financial aspects of a deceased icon's affairs, when none of you know what it takes or is qualified to speak on those endeavors..a good portion of yall need to grow up and/or shut up...but as usual, i know what motivates some of you to make some of the ignorant and asinine comments about Mr. McMillan and his team.

Is this Londell's burner account?

What in the name of corporate brown-nose kiss-ass sycophantic quisling wet-dream B.S. is all this?

Maybe the Estate doesn't owe us but we don't owe them either.

Prince, we owe. Prince, deserves our respect, decorum, and tact.

Some randos assiged and re-assigned by a legal conglomorate are just that. They're only looking to make a buck off you and I, they're not your family, they're not your friends, and they are certainly undeserving of you caping for their solely financial interests as if they were your family, friends, or some intimate, cherished "relative" of Prince.

Dude holed himself up in isolation in Paisley Park save for his women-of-the-week for most of his life, dude. You're desperately trying to add import and significance to this revolving door of ancillary swap-out-able side characters that the man himself simply didn't have.

Honestly a Carmen Electra or an Anna Fantastic or especially a Mayte Garcia deserves more respect, tact and decorum than some dude assigned to make "McMillions" or whatever it is. Or Kirky J., Prince loved that man, but nobody ever wants to go there, better to ascribe all these deep emotions to people who he hadn't seen in years, whatever. Cape for strangers.

WhisperingDandelions said:

ShellyMcG said:

RJOrion said:

Alot of entitled and somewhat ignorant snobs always complaining and name calling about "the estate"... i ask you ALL... How many multi- million dollar estates hae any of YOU managed or been in charge of?... how many artists have any of YOU managed?..a bunch of you jealously acting like you can do a better job of managing the legal and logistical and financial aspects of a deceased icon's affairs, when none of you know what it takes or is qualified to speak on those endeavors..a good portion of yall need to grow up and/or shut up...but as usual, i know what motivates some of you to make some of the ignorant and asinine comments about Mr. McMillan and his team.

I haven't managed any major artists or been responsible for the release of any posthumous material. Because that's not my job. But I would expect that for those whose job it actually is, that they perform their role much better than they have up to this point. And at the very least, I would expect any major organisation to be at least savvy enough not to make stupid twitter posts promising a big announcement regarding the 20th anniversary of an album only for that announcement to be the release of a 20 year old B-Side that was actually available BEFORE said twitter post was made. It makes them look extremely amateurish.

Well said. There's no reason to be defending these clowns when they've been making ridiculously unprofessional blunders for over a year now.

WhisperingDandelions said:

RJOrion said:

Alot of entitled and somewhat ignorant snobs always complaining and name calling about "the estate"... i ask you ALL... How many multi- million dollar estates hae any of YOU managed or been in charge of?... how many artists have any of YOU managed?..a bunch of you jealously acting like you can do a better job of managing the legal and logistical and financial aspects of a deceased icon's affairs, when none of you know what it takes or is qualified to speak on those endeavors..a good portion of yall need to grow up and/or shut up...but as usual, i know what motivates some of you to make some of the ignorant and asinine comments about Mr. McMillan and his team.

Is this Londell's burner account?

What in the name of corporate brown-nose kiss-ass sycophantic quisling wet-dream B.S. is all this?

Maybe the Estate doesn't owe us but we don't owe them either.

Prince, we owe. Prince, deserves our respect, decorum, and tact.

Some randos assiged and re-assigned by a legal conglomorate are just that. They're only looking to make a buck off you and I, they're not your family, they're not your friends, and they are certainly undeserving of you caping for their solely financial interests as if they were your family, friends, or some intimate, cherished "relative" of Prince.

Dude holed himself up in isolation in Paisley Park save for his women-of-the-week for most of his life, dude. You're desperately trying to add import and significance to this revolving door of ancillary swap-out-able side characters that the man himself simply didn't have.

Honestly a Carmen Electra or an Anna Fantastic or especially a Mayte Garcia deserves more respect, tact and decorum than some dude assigned to make "McMillions" or whatever it is. Or Kirky J., Prince loved that man, but nobody ever wants to go there, better to ascribe all these deep emotions to people who he hadn't seen in years, whatever. Cape for strangers.

You'd think they are looking to make a buck or two off of us. Which begs the question, why aren't they releasing more music?! I've got money to burn on Prince music and I'm not getting younger. When I die, that money is with my kids and they won't be buying Prince stuff. If the estate really wants to make money they need to release more stuff.

All this musicology shit is so beyond stupid. If they want to celebrate it, that's great and it deserves it. But if they're gonna keep this up for WEEKS on twitter and instagram and not have even 1 or 2 vault tracks to go along with it, what's the point? they keep giving specific tracking dates for songs which is cool - release something! it's really insane, they'd buy at least a little goodwill and get a handfull of puff pieces in the media for doing the bare minimum and putting out a track or two to celebrate.

i can't even keep up with their bullshit anymore.

EnglishGent2 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

You'd think they are looking to make a buck or two off of us. Which begs the question, why aren't they releasing more music?! I've got money to burn on Prince music and I'm not getting younger. When I die, that money is with my kids and they won't be buying Prince stuff. If the estate really wants to make money they need to release more stuff.

Most people here are saying this for the last 7 years !!!

We're all mostly over 50, and have the money.

If MakerMillions and his incapable Co were smart.......

Hold on!

I'm making a fallacy here...

they're NOT.

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Sorry for the impolite venting though.

Just ... DO SOMETHING!

RELEASE MORE ON A REGULAR BASIS : 4 times a year + surprise releases, PUHLEAZE!!!

Yeah.

I agree with what's said above.

I don't care who's running the Estate.

Just do more for the fans & release more Vault music.

We need it now not in 20 years from now.

whodknee said:

Londell and the estate are likely learning as they go

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Why are you making up excuses for people who have spent decades in the music industry? They're not some hicks that suddenly found themselves having to run this, they injected themselves into this. Londell already got his pants pulled down with the first estate deal that the court laughed outta town, yet here he is back again.

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SPOOKYGAS said:

Why is there 2 official videos on YouTube of this song. The Vevo one 60000 views and the other one 22000 views?

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The VEVO one is a "video", the other one is an audio upload (for use with YouTube Music). Tons of songs where there are multiple such uploads.

EnglishGent2 said:

You'd think they are looking to make a buck or two off of us. Which begs the question, why aren't they releasing more music?!

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Who knows? Infighting? Incompetence? Legalities? Just look at how long it took them to get the D&P SDE circus on the road, and that barely involved any effort from them.

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I cannot imagine what would prevent them from releasing more than one previously released B-Side. At the very least compile an "EP" with all relevant B-Sides and remixes etc. Or even better: compile an expanded release of the original album, i.e. the album remastered plus related tracks plus perhaps a handful of outtakes. Or perhaps go the "SDE lite" way, with a whole bunch of outtakes plus a concert video but perhaps not a 12" lavish package but more something like the 1999 SDE packaging. Announce that at the start of the year, and release it in time for the anniversary, so Sony has their release for the year.

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And then set up the PR SDE for later in the year. Is late June too soon after a Musicology (S)DE in late March? Then perhaps do the PR SDE in August or so. And go nuts with that one.

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Instead of whatever this is... A re-release of an old B-Side, but in a different mix (which is never mentioned in any promo material), a bunch of tweets with some recording details regarding some album tracks, but otherwise nothing concrete. At least the previous regime at the estate managed to produce vinyl singles for such releases.

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I'm bracing myself for the PR SDE. I bet it will be underwhelming, I bet it will contain numerous easily spotted mistakes and technical faults.

I'd definitely prefer several lighter releases than a mammoth one that will take them a massive effort to put together as it turns out to be.

psyche2 said:

I'd definitely prefer several lighter releases than a mammoth one that will take them a massive effort to put together as it turns out to be.

+1

we shouldn't have to settle for so little. it's absurd how minimal their communication is.

in fact it's staggering to realise how little the official channel actually communicates about
his music and their plans or a time line for the future.

there's simply nothing.

80% of the information we've gotten so far is through other channels.

the fact that they're doing a bit of talking and hyping for the musicology anniversary
is making me sad rather than happy since it seems that eventhough they know that
this album and tour and the one off performances around 2004 were very commercial,
they have completely failed to realise any sort of release to commemorate it as such.

one b-side. that's all. they couldn't even manage to actually release the other 2 songs
from this era as extra tracks on this release.

it doesn't always have to be a 200+ dollar LP set with a big book, it could just as well
be a mostly digital release with the physical component being cd.

like bizzie says, why not have a slightly less extravagant set, but still have a set out
for the 20 year celebration of this album and then later in the year go full out with the
PR SDE.

or once again, at least communicate as to why the b-side is all they're doing now. what
are they planning, where are they at?

LILpoundCAKE said:

we shouldn't have to settle for so little. it's absurd how minimal their communication is.

in fact it's staggering to realise how little the official channel actually communicates about
his music and their plans or a time line for the future.

there's simply nothing.

80% of the information we've gotten so far is through other channels.

the fact that they're doing a bit of talking and hyping for the musicology anniversary
is making me sad rather than happy since it seems that eventhough they know that
this album and tour and the one off performances around 2004 were very commercial,
they have completely failed to realise any sort of release to commemorate it as such.

one b-side. that's all. they couldn't even manage to actually release the other 2 songs
from this era as extra tracks on this release.

it doesn't always have to be a 200+ dollar LP set with a big book, it could just as well
be a mostly digital release with the physical component being cd.

like bizzie says, why not have a slightly less extravagant set, but still have a set out
for the 20 year celebration of this album and then later in the year go full out with the
PR SDE.

or once again, at least communicate as to why the b-side is all they're doing now. what
are they planning, where are they at?

bizzie said:

whodknee said:

Londell and the estate are likely learning as they go

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Why are you making up excuses for people who have spent decades in the music industry? They're not some hicks that suddenly found themselves having to run this, they injected themselves into this. Londell already got his pants pulled down with the first estate deal that the court laughed outta town, yet here he is back again.

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I wasn't aware they had already managed a major artist's estate posthumously nor that there was a manual that applies to all artists. My bad.

databank said:

whodknee said:

I don't know what was in RJ's mind when they made that statement but it looked to me like it was to call out those who were hypercritical of the estate to the point it seemed personal. Londell and the estate are likely learning as they go so it's natural there will be bumps in the road. The personal attacks bely a general entitlement to the music and possibly contempt that certain orgers have for Londell and Prince's chosen associates in general.

I don't think you were specifically singled out at the beginning but you took it personally as if RJ hit a nerve. I'm not going to call out the culprits. We can all go back and see who they are. The main problem is that if you haven't been in their shoes you have to take into account there are factors you may not have accounted for before leveling (over the top) criticism. That said, we're all allowed to have an opinion on it. It's best to share them cordially and constructively though.

Regardless of individuals and who's responsible or in charge, 8 years is a looong time to learn, particularly since we're supposedly talking about professionals whose job it is to release music, and Prince isn't the first musician to die and leave a vault behind for other people to curate.

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There have been issues of one kind or another with nearly each and every posthumous release so far. When error is the exception, it's OK, shit happens. When error is the norm, I'd say it's legitimate to question the way things are done.

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Certainly, there is no perfect way to do this and there will always be people to think they would have done better without understanding the reality of the field. But the amount of dishonesty and/or sloppiness we've seen in the last 8 years is appalling.

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Now my point in saying this isn't to attack any specific person or have anyone lose their job, but to beg the people in charge for improvement. Not for myself or anyone here for that matter: we already have more Prince music than we'll ever need and we'll be in our graves long before the Estate is done releasing everything they have, but for the sake of Prince's legacy and future music historians.

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Art cannot always be limited to "content" and, with all due respect, contrarily to what Bob Iger recently said about Disney, isn't always just about entertaining people. It's a heritage we all share, which should be treated with respect even when it belongs to corporate entities.

Well said. I happen to agree but that is only my uneducated opinion. I don't know everything that goes into the decision-making. Do they owe me an explanation? No. They don't even owe me any more music since Prince didn't make provisions for it.

I make my voice heard with the dollars I do or don't spend. I suppose that means I'm not as diehard as some fans because I don't feel the need to act or speak out when things aren't going the way I'd like with the estate. No matter how I feel I wouldn't call them out of their names though. That's getting personal.

databank said:

I would also assume that it's an alternate mix from back then, however, there are 4 possibilities.

If frankensteining was made:

1/ They wouldn't find a lossless master and felt they had to remix the song instead of releasing a lossy file from back then.

2/ They choose to make a "better" mix for some reason.

If the mix is genuine:

3/ They found the master of an alternate mix, had no clue it was not the one that got released and released this thinking it was the original mix.

4/ They found an alternate mix and thought it would be cool to release it instead of what we already have.

I sincerely hope the last option is what happened, but then why choose not to communicate about it?

Again, the Estate's lack of transparency is really frustrating. It makes them look like they think they have to protect some corporate secrets or like they don't know what they're doing.

What he said

databank said:

Thanks to Kares, the mystery is partially solved. He allowed me to quote him from a message he posted in a private community:

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"It's not the same source or mix. First of all, the speed is slightly faster on the 2024 version – but that alone of course could be just the result of playing back the same analog tape for digitising on a different machine that is not calibrated exactly the same as Paisley's machine was back in the day. So this alone is not a definitive proof for a different source, just a sign.

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If you want a smoking gun though, check out the breakdown at the 5:01 mark: not only the gap is about 30 milliseconds shorter on the new version, but there's also a keyboard sound before the hit on the one that is not present on the 2004 version (I'm using the Cinnamon Girl CD single version as a source), and even more obviously: WHERE'S THE GUITAR PART? If you listen further, you'll find that not only the mix is different, you're hearing a completely DIFFERENT PART between 5:01 and 5:49. It's a different edit. The guitar comes in right at 5:01 on the 2004 version (and it sounds much dryer than on the new version) and they get to the horn lines sooner, as the horn part is longer than on the new version. The new version discards a part of the horn section and adds a new bit before the guitar part so they'll arrive at the same point as the 2004 version at 5:49. There are many more differences in the mix of course (and there even could be further differences in the edit too), I just haven't examined the whole track in detail yet, I just focused on the end part as it stood out for me as something obviously off.

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The bottom line is: this is definitely a different master (and a different edit) to the one released in 2004, and the Estate should communicate clearly(!!!) whether they found this different edit/mix (after all, it IS possible that Prince created two versions) or they created an entirely new edit/mix from the multitracks. We certainly need an explanation."

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Check the parts he mentions, the difference is indeed obvious. Great catch!

Missing getting information like this is why I'm back on the org. Thanks, my friend!!

welcome back databank now we just need jawnnnn and schlomothehomo back and we'll have a trifecta of funny intelligent people.

lustmealways said:

welcome back databank now we just need jawnnnn and schlomothehomo back and we'll have a trifecta of funny intelligent people.

Good to see ya again, lust!!

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Why does the musicology merch have prince written in the sott font?

The quality standards on the graphic front were long gone by then. I always found that twisted SOTT lettering for the merch cheap as fuck. As something you'd have expected at the parking of the concert sold by bootleggers.

so if you saw prince in 2004, that is the merch you would have been presented with? (he only toured the US at this point, so i never saw the tour)

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

so if you saw prince in 2004, that is the merch you would have been presented with? (he only toured the US at this point, so i never saw the tour)

Yes, that design was "official" merch back then

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

Se7en said: