The song is just okay, the chorus is corny as all hell unfortunatey, but there are some good parts. Why the estate is putting this out is beyond comprehension, they continue to fall flat on face.

RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

..stop the hipocrisy...its very ugly and telling behavior

Stop the what now?

EnglishGent2 said:

olb99 said:

WhisperingDandelions said:

Prince horns can never be low enough in the mix. Only good horn track is "Crucial", which remains relegated to bootlegs.

To each their own. I've been wanting to hear the "full-horn" mix of "Lovesexy" ever since Eric mentioned it.

Wow! din't know that. Want to hear that one too!

Remember in which interview Eric said that?

thx

RJOrion said:

RJOrion said:

ShellyMcG said:

I haven't managed any major artists or been responsible for the release of any posthumous material. Because that's not my job. But I would expect that for those whose job it actually is, that they perform their role much better than they have up to this point. And at the very least, I would expect any major organisation to be at least savvy enough not to make stupid twitter posts promising a big announcement regarding the 20th anniversary of an album only for that announcement to be the release of a 20 year old B-Side that was actually available BEFORE said twitter post was made. It makes them look extremely amateurish.

The first sentence of your reply, rendered the rest of your statement meaningless...you have no clue what obstacles and challenges and setbacks occur while undertaking an endeavor such as managing the affairs of a deceased icon of Prince's stature...instead of being grateful for the numerous releases and projects we've been blessed with since Prince's passing, many of you continuously disrespect his family, friends and remaining management...Prince, Londell and everyone involved with the affairs of Paisley Park, owe us nothing...they dont work for you, nor are they employed by you...what makes you feel so entitled?...its funny that some of the entitled and ungrateful people here, cant grasp that relatively simple concept...some of you cant even manage your own households, much less manage a multi-million dollar estate...stop the hipocrisy...its very ugly and telling behavior

The rest of your statement is also pretty meaningless, sorry to say so :

"instead of being grateful for the numerous releases and projects we've been blessed with since Prince's passing..."

It's been mentioned over and over here about the incompleteness, the frankensteining, the lack of vision, mistakes, etc... on basically every posthumous released project.

We all have the right to NOT agree. No need to be grateful for anything, not even for Prince's ideas or output to be honest when he was still amongst us. This is simply the interaction between artist and audience, whether you agree with it or not. Artist delivers what he wants, we pay for it if we like it. He earns money. And we can be opinionated about how it is handled. And certainly for those in charge now.

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"Londell and everyone involved with the affairs of Paisley Park, owe us nothing..."

Yes, they kind of do really. WE can be critical about the way they handle things. Will it have impact? Little to no. You know exactly why there is so much dissatisfaction and disappointment amongst most of us fans (here).

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And honestly, it's also very judgemental, (ugly and i prefer not to usde your 'telling behaviour' words) to state this :

"some of you can't even manage your own households, much less manage a multi-million dollar estate...stop the hipocrisy".

This actualy has nothing to do with hypocrisy tbh.

And I am convinced there are (other) people here (or elsewhere) that are able to manage Prince's estate far better.

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Peace to all of us though.

We all want just what we don't have, and know it is all there.

It's what being a fan is all about.

Our money is waiting to give to them (we're all around our 40's/50's) for nearly whatever they want to release. Right or right? Why don't they just not understand that.

Simply compare with other posthumous artists releases... where there is undoubtly even less availble mateiral... just sayin'.

from this day on, i never want to see anything about tony m, or any rapper prince worked with, unless a) you have ever been a rapper b) ever been on a prince record c) ever recorded a song at paisley park c) were in the npg.

more seriously, i get that RJ thinks ppl are being particularly critical of the new estate, and seems to think that thats cos they are black, so some are more condescending, but it might be worth remembering that a lot/most fans disliked michael howe too.

[Edited 4/8/24 3:07am]

as far as this song though, when ppl were saying its relevant today, i thought it was about the political divisions, but the lyrics arent really about anything like that...

[Edited 4/8/24 3:29am]

Amazing track I've had for almost 20 years. Instead of a Deluxe Expanded Edition of Musiclogy to celebrate it's 20th anniversary, we get.....Cool cover art for 'United states Of Division'. Thanks Estate

olb99 said:

lurker316 said:

Do we know if this was an authentic mix created or commissioned by Prince? Or is this a Frankenstein mix created by the Estate?

We don't and we probably won't know unless it's part of another release with liner notes, etc.

Both are possible. If they remixed this from the multitracks, it was probably very tempting to make those horns louder. Especially if you don't care about reproducing existing mixes correctly.

On the other hand, it's kind of weird to have those horns so low in the 2004 mix. Maybe Prince played with different ideas at the time and this mix was one of the different mixes he worked on.

[Edited 4/6/24 3:23am]

I would also assume that it's an alternate mix from back then, however, there are 4 possibilities.

If frankensteining was made:

1/ They wouldn't find a lossless master and felt they had to remix the song instead of releasing a lossy file from back then.

2/ They choose to make a "better" mix for some reason.

If the mix is genuine:

3/ They found the master of an alternate mix, had no clue it was not the one that got released and released this thinking it was the original mix.

4/ They found an alternate mix and thought it would be cool to release it instead of what we already have.

I sincerely hope the last option is what happened, but then why choose not to communicate about it?

Again, the Estate's lack of transparency is really frustrating. It makes them look like they think they have to protect some corporate secrets or like they don't know what they're doing.

RJOrion said:

EnglishGent2 said:

Stop the what now?

Regardless of the typographical error, you know exactly what i said and meant...nice try though...and very typical, i might add...some of you are so predictable...its comical

Really, you predicted I was going to say that? I don't normally point out such typos but you were being so condescending with your reply that I thought it was funny. It's quite possible to have an opinion on something, even if you've never done it yourself.

But well done for predicting that I would do it. Maybe you can suggest some lottery numbers for me too?

seand67 said:

Amazing track I've had for almost 20 years. Instead of a Deluxe Expanded Edition of Musiclogy to celebrate it's 20th anniversary, we get.....Cool cover art for 'United states Of Division'. Thanks Estate

You didn't have this version. This new one is a alternate version.

hmm, maybe a musicology SDE really is in the works.

JorisE73 said:

seand67 said:

Amazing track I've had for almost 20 years. Instead of a Deluxe Expanded Edition of Musiclogy to celebrate it's 20th anniversary, we get.....Cool cover art for 'United states Of Division'. Thanks Estate

You didn't have this version. This new one is a alternate version.

Thanks, this 'new' version enhanced the horns a bit but that's all. Great song

funkbabyandthebabysitters said:

hmm, maybe a musicology SDE really is in the works.

Would be nice

It sounds like a remaster so if they did some work using the master tapes for this one then maybe there's something bigger coming. Who knows...

fredmagnus said:

It sounds like a remaster so if they did some work using the master tapes for this one then maybe there's something bigger coming. Who knows...

I think they are still in the process of (re)mastering everything they find. I remember reading somewhere that Grundmann had already remastered more than 200 tracks 2 years after Prince died.

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https://consequence.net/2...on-stream/


this article says it was sourced from the original masters

link was originally posted by marco81 in the musicology announcement thread, post #23.

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LILpoundCAKE said:

https://consequence.net/2...on-stream/


this article says it was sourced from the original masters

link was originally posted by marco81 in the musicology announcement thread, post #23.

[Edited 4/8/24 10:24am]

Thank you for the info, I'd missed that.

“Sourced from the original master tapes in Prince’s legendary vault” implies no frankensteining.

Without any mention of it being an exclusive mix, it also suggests they found the "wrong" master and believe they rereleased the same mix as in 2004

If so, it's a happy accident for us, but rather sloppy.

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Someone in another community compared both version's audio spectrums and suggested that it could just be a difference in compression/mastering, but the same mix. I'm not qualified in sound engineering to say whether this is possible, but I think it was worth mentioning.

databank said:

Someone in another community compared both version's audio spectrums and suggested that it could just be a difference in compression/mastering, but the same mix. I'm not qualified in sound engineering to say whether this is possible, but I think it was worth mentioning.

the original file does have atrocious quality issues. it's what always bothered me about the song,
as well as Magnificent. both pretty neat songs, and certainly as good as anything on the album it
was a b-side for but the soundquality was just shit, horribly mastered/compressed/whatever.

the 'new' mix/master is a revelation, to me at least.

databank said:

LILpoundCAKE said:

https://consequence.net/2...on-stream/


this article says it was sourced from the original masters

link was originally posted by marco81 in the musicology announcement thread, post #23.

[Edited 4/8/24 10:24am]

Thank you for the info, I'd missed that.

“Sourced from the original master tapes in Prince’s legendary vault” implies no frankensteining.

Without any mention of it being an exclusive mix, it also suggests they found the "wrong" master and believe they rereleased the same mix as in 2004

If so, it's a happy accident for us, but rather sloppy.

[Edited 4/8/24 11:18am]

Cool. We're assuming here that by "master tape", they really mean "master tape" and not "original tape" and/or "multitrack tape". I guess we'll have to take their word for it, at this point!

EnglishGent2 said:

RJOrion said:

EnglishGent2 said: Regardless of the typographical error, you know exactly what i said and meant...nice try though...and very typical, i might add...some of you are so predictable...its comical

Really, you predicted I was going to say that? I don't normally point out such typos but you were being so condescending with your reply that I thought it was funny. It's quite possible to have an opinion on something, even if you've never done it yourself.

But well done for predicting that I would do it. Maybe you can suggest some lottery numbers for me too?

I think the main gist of what RJOrion was saying is that people are being too critical of a process they know little about. More importantly people are calling Londell and the estate out of their names- very disrespectfully. RJOrion is an adult (I assume) and doesn't need me or anybody else to defend them but I'm chiming in because I happen to agree.

Has the process of releasing the music been perfect? No. Do I question some of the moves? Of course. However, I'm still happy with most of the releases and guess what? If I don't like an offering I don't buy it. Simple.