there's something i like about being your fool sounds like lean on me. still want to hear the controversy era version though, i imagine it's better.

olb99 said:

LoveGalore said:

Schlomo mentioned warble. I cannot hear anything but clear sounds.

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I really, really hope the MP3 I have is bad, but I really don't see how that problem could be caused by a bad rip or bad MP3 encoding...

I find the sound really shitty by comparison to 1999SDE even with the latter @320. I suspect (hope) this mp3 rip we got really is poorly compressed. Typically there are microcuts between tracks on the live show, which shows a hasty work at ripping it.

databank said:

I find the sound really shitty by comparison to 1999SDE even with the latter @320. I suspect (hope) this mp3 rip we got really is poorly compressed. Typically there are microcuts between tracks on the live show, which shows a hasty work at ripping it.

i heard that some of the vault tracks are lossy masters (a la velvet kitty cat on purple rain deluxe), this has many implications and could many a variety of things, but i'm enjoying the music too much to put much thought into it right now.

databank said:

The tapes have decayed, have had generally to be baked, and modern engineers lack the sensibilities (or have too many digital toys at their disposal) to mix them in a fashion consistent with mid-1980s consumer audio standards.

goosepumble said:

Wally definitely has some kind of tape warble deterioration after 1:30.

how come this one fucking song that people have hyped up so much, in a way that would never meet expectations, has to be the one with the most issues. first it's that the #1 version wasn't able to be located on cassette mixdown, now the version they do have has some problems. this song can't catch a break.

lustmealways said:

bluegangsta said:

Strange Relationship (1987 Shep Pettibone Club Mix)

Keys at the begining are reminicent of George Michael's Too Funky.

Yeah, I can hear that. I hear Hard Day in there too, so just pulled it up to have a listen and funnily enough, it was the Shep Pettibone remix of Hard Day that I was recalling.

TheEnglishGent said:

bluegangsta said:

Strange Relationship (1987 Shep Pettibone Club Mix)

Keys at the begining are reminicent of George Michael's Too Funky.

Yeah, I can hear that. I hear Hard Day in there too, so just pulled it up to have a listen and funnily enough, it was the Shep Pettibone remix of Hard Day that I was recalling.

Love that mix. Even though George gave his own attempt at a 'Camille'.

LoveGalore said:

I must be deaf. I can't hear any warble on headphones or studio monitors.

Maybe it's just my rip. Starts around the 1:40 mark and goes to the 2 minute mark.

Strive said:

warble is also present on streaming versions. safe to say it's not an issue with anyone's copy, but rather something rotten from the head

lustmealways said:

goosepumble said:

Wally definitely has some kind of tape warble deterioration after 1:30.

how come this one fucking song that people have hyped up so much, in a way that would never meet expectations, has to be the one with the most issues. first it's that the #1 version wasn't able to be located on cassette mixdown, now the version they do have has some problems. this song can't catch a break.

Oh no please, the song that I'm most eager about, what a shame.

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slyjackson said:

lustmealways said:

how come this one fucking song that people have hyped up so much, in a way that would never meet expectations, has to be the one with the most issues. first it's that the #1 version wasn't able to be located on cassette mixdown, now the version they do have has some problems. this song can't catch a break.

Oh no please, the song that I'm mot eager about, what a shame.

It's very possible there was nothing that could be done about it even with sate of the art tech and the best engineers in the world. It's old tapes. We gotta expect things like this to happen occasionally. I'm prompt to blame Michael Howe for things going wrong when I assume they could have not gone wrong, but this, I guess it ain't the man's fault.

there's some parts to Wally that sound... kind of dull compared to some of the punchier aspects of the other tracks. don't know if that makes sense, but the whole thing kind of has an off-kilter vibe about it, including the warble, that makes me wonder if it was sourced from something other than the master.

could just be the fact that the only circulating copy prior to this was so messed up, so they're getting mixed up in my head.

databank said:

It's very possible there was nothing that could be done about it even with sate of the art tech and the best engineers in the world. It's old tapes. We gotta expect things like this to happen occasionally. I'm prompt to blame Michael Howe for things going wrong when I assume they could have not gone wrong, but this, I guess it ain't the man's fault.

That damage isn't on the bootleg version from Closer 2 God. It's also missing other elements (I guess it's possible that the leak we have is mono and those sounds are on a different channel, like when Roadhouse Garden leaked, but I don't have headphones to confirm) but it's an interesting thought. That the master is permanently damaged and that the only solid copy is a mixdown cassette floating around.

lustmealways said:

there's some parts to Wally that sound... kind of dull compared to some of the punchier aspects of the other tracks. don't know if that makes sense, but the whole thing kind of has an off-kilter vibe about it, including the warble, that makes me wonder if it was sourced from something other than the master.

could just be the fact that the only circulating copy prior to this was so messed up, so they're getting mixed up in my head.

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Susan Rogers insinuates thats its from the master tape here

https://prince.org/msg/7/464251

"It was a shocking moment. I've seen the track sheet in the tape box for the new, revised version of Wally and it's my handwriting, but I don't remember redoing it. But I can tell you right now with 100% certainty, that I would have been heartbroken at re-doing what I thought was a stunning and beautiful candid piece of work." She also adds "The revised version is the same melody and basic words but totally different emotional tone."

Like Databank said above, i don't know what people expect from 30+ year outtakes, its not gonna all be pristine crystal clear sound throughout. Even a lot of the stuff he put out at the time had flaws lol

[Edited 9/24/20 17:02pm]

databank said:

Strive said:

databank said:

It's very possible there was nothing that could be done about it even with sate of the art tech and the best engineers in the world. It's old tapes. We gotta expect things like this to happen occasionally. I'm prompt to blame Michael Howe for things going wrong when I assume they could have not gone wrong, but this, I guess it ain't the man's fault.

That damage isn't on the bootleg version from Closer 2 God. It's also missing other elements (I guess it's possible that the leak we have is mono and those sounds are on a different channel, like when Roadhouse Garden leaked, but I don't have headphones to confirm) but it's an interesting thought. That the master is permanently damaged and that the only solid copy is a mixdown cassette floating around.

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That cassette mix down copy that leaked had flaws in other places tho. even in mono u can hear tape chew at the begininga and near the end, and just general tape wear throughout. Not to mention terrible NR probably done to get rid of hiss. I'm certain there will be other cassette sources in existance though, most likely in excellant quality

bluegangsta said:

Somewhat shocked at some of the reservations about Wally's mix. I've listened to it maybe 10 times already, and the goosebumps are still going up on my arms.

Now that I'm putting it under the microscope I sort of get what everyone is saying, but for me to care about it in that way, his guitar solo is going to have to get way way farther through me. I'm still shaking from it. It's up there with I Hate U, maybe even better. He's on exactly the right suspended notes to make me a little scared to move!

databank said:

LoveGalore said:

I think Prince was just that that in touch with other people's aesthetic. I honestly have no idea why Deborah Allen recorded Telepathy and I can't believe he expected Bonnie Raitt to release Jealous Girl.

telepathy is one of my all times fave, lovegalore. it should've been on the set, lovegalore. 101 and baby go-go should've also been on the set, lovegalore.

i hate the "originals" concept

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ElectricThighs said:

Strive said:

Maybe it's just my rip. Starts around the 1:40 mark and goes to the 2 minute mark.

Not your rip. My CD has it too and it's very obvious.

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This is just what I feared. The tape had problems. They couldn't fix them.

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I really hope they address this in the liner notes (i.e. what tapes they had, whether they only had the mixdown, etc.). This is a huge problem. I've never heard anything like this on any other official track. And, yes, the song is otherwise fantastic. I absolutely love it. But this is like having a mold stain on your favorite painting...

databank said: