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SOTT:SD article in UK magazine 'Classic Pop'

Hi everyone. I've just picked up the ' Sept / Oct 2020' edition of 'Classic Pop' and it includes a 6 page article on SOTT:SD (5 pages of the article and 1 full size picture), a half page review (5 stars) and a full page advert.

The article includes input from Susan Rogers and Duane Tudahl (just quotes rather than full interviews).

The most interesting points I took away from the article was that although Susan has claimed she couldn't remember being involved with the re-recording of Wally, it turns out she must have been.

"It was a shocking moment. I've seen the track sheet in the tape box for the new, revised version of Wally and it's my handwriting, but I don't remember redoing it. But I can tell you right now with 100% certainty, that I would have been heartbroken at re-doing what I thought was a stunning and beautiful candid piece of work." She also adds "The revised version is the same melody and basic words but totally different emotional tone."

Also, according to Duane Tudahl the lyrics to 'Rebirth of the Flesh' were aimed at The Revolution....

"he was still upset with Wendy and Lisa - in the lyrics, he says, 'It ain't about the money, we just wanna play' which is kind of a dig"

"He also sings, 'We are here, where are you?' as if he's saying to The Revolution, 'You know what, you guys should've stuck with me - nobody bad like me!'"




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Reply #1 posted 09/07/20 7:37am

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I wish Duane and other journalists would stop trying to create a narrative with their own pure speculation on what Prince was writing about. Just like Andrea Swensson implying Prince sounded so pissed on the original Irresistible Bitch because he was still reeling from that horrible Rolling Stones gig. None of us no dick about what was on Prince’s mind when he was writing and recording. And to make these intimations as if you have some sort of insight when you don’t just reeks of shitty journalism. These people should be reporting actual facts period. Especially when they didn’t even know him.
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Reply #2 posted 09/07/20 8:38am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

I wish Duane and other journalists would stop trying to create a narrative with their own pure speculation on what Prince was writing about. Just like Andrea Swensson implying Prince sounded so pissed on the original Irresistible Bitch because he was still reeling from that horrible Rolling Stones gig. None of us no dick about what was on Prince’s mind when he was writing and recording. And to make these intimations as if you have some sort of insight when you don’t just reeks of shitty journalism. These people should be reporting actual facts period. Especially when they didn’t even know him.

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VaultCurator said:

Also, according to Duane Tudahl the lyrics to 'Rebirth of the Flesh' were aimed at The Revolution....

"he was still upset with Wendy and Lisa - in the lyrics, he says, 'It ain't about the money, we just wanna play' which is kind of a dig"

"He also sings, 'We are here, where are you?' as if he's saying to The Revolution, 'You know what, you guys should've stuck with me - nobody bad like me!'"

This is neat and makes a great song all the more interesting and totally in character for Prince and his other diss songs like Dream Factory etc. Makes sense too since the new band is a 'rebirth' of The Flesh [band]?

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

I wish Duane and other journalists would stop trying to create a narrative with their own pure speculation on what Prince was writing about. Just like Andrea Swensson implying Prince sounded so pissed on the original Irresistible Bitch because he was still reeling from that horrible Rolling Stones gig. None of us no dick about what was on Prince’s mind when he was writing and recording. And to make these intimations as if you have some sort of insight when you don’t just reeks of shitty journalism. These people should be reporting actual facts period. Especially when they didn’t even know him.

Theorically if Duane says that he should have a source, i.e. someone who Prince told back then, who told Duane. I don't think Duane would go into pure spec like dat.

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databank said:



SchlomoThaHomo said:


I wish Duane and other journalists would stop trying to create a narrative with their own pure speculation on what Prince was writing about. Just like Andrea Swensson implying Prince sounded so pissed on the original Irresistible Bitch because he was still reeling from that horrible Rolling Stones gig. None of us no dick about what was on Prince’s mind when he was writing and recording. And to make these intimations as if you have some sort of insight when you don’t just reeks of shitty journalism. These people should be reporting actual facts period. Especially when they didn’t even know him.

Theorically if Duane says that he should have a source, i.e. someone who Prince told back then, who told Duane. I don't think Duane would go into pure spec like dat.



I hope so. Prince wasn’t often the type to divulge the meaning of his songs. And if he has a source he should’ve cited it.
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Reply #6 posted 09/08/20 6:21am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

I wish Duane and other journalists would stop trying to create a narrative with their own pure speculation on what Prince was writing about. Just like Andrea Swensson implying Prince sounded so pissed on the original Irresistible Bitch because he was still reeling from that horrible Rolling Stones gig. None of us no dick about what was on Prince’s mind when he was writing and recording. And to make these intimations as if you have some sort of insight when you don’t just reeks of shitty journalism. These people should be reporting actual facts period. Especially when they didn’t even know him.

100%

And it just incites the fanbase. Now, people will use ROTF in their endless arguments of Vanity vs Susannah. This interpretation is so far away from what I have ever considered the message behind ROTF to be and I am nobody's stan. It's very strange to hear people assign a far out left field motivation to a song ostensibly too focused on itself and the mission to be some sort of diss track.

Plus neither of those lines read as anything but what they are to me.

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VaultCurator said:

Also, according to Duane Tudahl the lyrics to 'Rebirth of the Flesh' were aimed at The Revolution....

"he was still upset with Wendy and Lisa - in the lyrics, he says, 'It ain't about the money, we just wanna play' which is kind of a dig"

"He also sings, 'We are here, where are you?' as if he's saying to The Revolution, 'You know what, you guys should've stuck with me - nobody bad like me!'"

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Where did that come from?

Prince disbanded the Revolution is what was told back in the day.

And if he took that initiative because of unease or whatever from W&L, then he is at fault for not creating an environment yhat they would want to stay in.

Then disbanding is an act of weakness.

And the song being a stab at W&L would be another weak step when the source of the thing is his failure.

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Reply #8 posted 09/08/20 6:58am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

databank said:

Theorically if Duane says that he should have a source, i.e. someone who Prince told back then, who told Duane. I don't think Duane would go into pure spec like dat.

I hope so. Prince wasn’t often the type to divulge the meaning of his songs. And if he has a source he should’ve cited it.

No but sometimes he'd brag. I mean I don't recall exactly how we know that Mutiny was for Morris and Jesse or that DF was for Paul, but he may have maliciously told someone "that one's for the Rev" or something in that vein.

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Reply #9 posted 09/08/20 8:59am

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VaultCurator said:

Hi everyone. I've just picked up the ' Sept / Oct 2020' edition of 'Classic Pop' and it includes a 6 page article on SOTT:SD (5 pages of the article and 1 full size picture), a half page review (5 stars) and a full page advert.

The article includes input from Susan Rogers and Duane Tudahl (just quotes rather than full interviews).

The most interesting points I took away from the article was that although Susan has claimed she couldn't remember being involved with the re-recording of Wally, it turns out she must have been.

"It was a shocking moment. I've seen the track sheet in the tape box for the new, revised version of Wally and it's my handwriting, but I don't remember redoing it. But I can tell you right now with 100% certainty, that I would have been heartbroken at re-doing what I thought was a stunning and beautiful candid piece of work." She also adds "The revised version is the same melody and basic words but totally different emotional tone."

Also, according to Duane Tudahl the lyrics to 'Rebirth of the Flesh' were aimed at The Revolution....

"he was still upset with Wendy and Lisa - in the lyrics, he says, 'It ain't about the money, we just wanna play' which is kind of a dig"

"He also sings, 'We are here, where are you?' as if he's saying to The Revolution, 'You know what, you guys should've stuck with me - nobody bad like me!'"




I think there are some other things Susan is remembering slightly different as well. But with all the songs and different setups/locations she helped on... it would naturally happen.

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Reply #10 posted 09/09/20 5:30am

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SchlomoThaHomo said:

I wish Duane and other journalists would stop trying to create a narrative with their own pure speculation on what Prince was writing about. Just like Andrea Swensson implying Prince sounded so pissed on the original Irresistible Bitch because he was still reeling from that horrible Rolling Stones gig. None of us no dick about what was on Prince’s mind when he was writing and recording. And to make these intimations as if you have some sort of insight when you don’t just reeks of shitty journalism. These people should be reporting actual facts period. Especially when they didn’t even know him.

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Reply #11 posted 09/09/20 6:18am

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ufoclub said:




I think there are some other things Susan is remembering slightly different as well. But with all the songs and different setups/locations she helped on... it would naturally happen.



She was very sleep deprived at the time. She's said in interviews how she has difficulty remembering details from those years, and puts it down to the constant working and lack of sleep.

Remember how she claimed Prince tried to change the tone of the original Wally before he asked her to erase it. That he was trying to make it funky after it was all but done. Maybe her memory of the two recordings has blurred.
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