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Reply #30 posted 08/02/20 4:53pm

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01. Interactive
02. Days Of Wild
03. Shhh
04. Acknowledge Me
05. Love Sign
06. The Most Beautiful Girl In The World
07. Endorphinmachine
08. 319
09. Billy Jack Bitch
10. I Hate U
11. Dolphin
12. Gold

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Reply #31 posted 08/03/20 12:39am

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Empress said:

I don't understand why some people on this site are always wanting to change Prince's albums. Leave his shit alone! The albums are how he wanted them to be.

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Reply #32 posted 08/03/20 12:53am

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Strive said:

Empress said:

I don't understand why some people on this site are always wanting to change Prince's albums. Leave his shit alone! The albums are how he wanted them to be.


It's fun to wonder what if and The Gold Experience is one album that was definitely overthought by Prince.

The March configuation seems like it would have been cool. Especially if there was an earlier version of Gold on it. There was a good song buried in that overproduction.

Despite the demo's presence on the so-called 10,000 Wallpaper videocassette, it's extremely unlikely Prince ever considered releasing it in this form. Ricky Peterson's overdubs were already recorded by Spring 1994 and the released version clearly reflected Prince's original vision for the song as some sort of epic power ballad.

Why and how anyone could favor this clumsy demo over the released version's gorgeous synthesizer orgy always was beyond me. I guess this is (once again) the result of Prince having succeeded in building a "crossover" audience, with more rockers than electronic music or R&B fans. I totally fail to see how more guitar and less synthesizer could benefit a song like Gold.

It's likely that, if Prince's stems surfaced, Prince's whole catalogue would be transformed into a minimalist bass/guitar/drums rock discography as barebone as a Nirvana album lol lol lol

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Reply #33 posted 08/03/20 1:35am

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Why and how anyone could favor this clumsy demo over the released version's gorgeous synthesizer orgy always was beyond me. I guess this is (once again) the result of Prince having succeeded in building a "crossover" audience, with more rockers than electronic music or R&B fans. I totally fail to see how more guitar and less synthesizer could benefit a song like Gold.

It's likely that, if Prince's stems surfaced, Prince's whole catalogue would be transformed into a minimalist bass/guitar/drums rock discography as barebone as a Nirvana album lol lol lol

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I looked up the "original" version of Gold. To me, it's still the same horrible Purple Rain-wannabe song (and I dislike Purple Rain to begin with)

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As to the barebones transformation, it's probably because Prince simply almost always chose the worst sounding synths he could find. I like Prince music in spite of how it sounds. There's a reason Parade/Rainbow Children/The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale/Come are liked a lot. (by me, they are a bit more controversial to other listeners, I've heard razz ) They sound better than most of his other output.

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Rick James, oddly enough, made Prince's synths sound a whole lot better than he did. Comparing Street Songs to Dirty Mind or Controversy... Rick's album sounds way better. (Prince has better songs though)

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So... yes, being able to remove the horrid sounds and keep the good ones (Prince also fucked up his guitar sound to the point of it sounding like a cheap synth regularly) would be great! cool

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Reply #34 posted 08/03/20 1:43am

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Very underrated album IMO, but ...

... I'd change the lyrics to Dolphin. Hearing that for the first time, I quite like the music but the lyrics. What was he thinking!? biggrin

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Reply #35 posted 08/03/20 1:46am

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VaultCurator said:

01. Interactive
02. Days Of Wild
03. Shhh
04. Acknowledge Me
05. Love Sign
06. The Most Beautiful Girl In The World
07. Endorphinmachine
08. 319
09. Billy Jack Bitch
10. I Hate U
11. Dolphin
12. Gold



You can’t axe Now!
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I like Love Sign on it. I’m sure he would have had a hit with that on the heels of TMBGIW if WB hadn’t blocked it. With the publicity of it being a duet with Marvin Gaye’s daughter, an Ice Cube directed video and the anti gun message it would’ve done well.
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I remember the video getting high praise on UK’s Big Breakfast show and Smash Hits magazine lauding the song in its 1-800 New Funk review
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Reply #36 posted 08/03/20 1:49am

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databank said:



Empress said:


I don't understand why some people on this site are always wanting to change Prince's albums. Leave his shit alone! The albums are how he wanted them to be.

nod



It’s not really serious. I don’t think anyone actually wants to change the albums. We’re just strangers chatting shit on the internet
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Reply #37 posted 08/03/20 3:45am

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Of all his albums GE and GB are the 2 that could do with a bit of re-jigging!

Days of Wild is goota be on it (lose Now)

Dump P Control

Add Interactive

Add earlier version of Endorphinmachine

Add drumbeat version of Shy

Remove The Operator segues

etc etc

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Reply #38 posted 08/03/20 5:27am

TrevorAyer

i agree with prince that the gold experience is album of outtakes that prince intentionally culled with the purpose of selling poorly .. the entire of theme of this glittery album is that it is not his gold material .. it is subpar resembling a bowl full of golden piss .. yes beautiful girl was included surely at the insistence of wb and the title track would do well on a muppets special but putting pussy control as the opener and including i hate u with his story of raping his lover in court for cheating on him was nothing short of career suicide in terms of providing a "hit" album along the lines of diamonds and pearls for mass consumption as in songs everyone could appreciate .. gold experience is clouded with so much anger and spite there really isn't much to enjoy about this album .. the whole thing feels forced .. personally i feel the songs from this period that ended up on crystal ball are much better than tge .. the songs on come and chaos are also much better .. i see tge as a big fuck you to wb and intentionally not a very enjoyable record overall .. i would change tge by trashing most of it and making a much better record from the cb collection ..



days of wild
calhoune
whats my name
peach
strays of the world
the ride
da bang

interactive
she gave her angels

much better album from the time imo .. dolphin and beatiful girl are decent enough but very overproduced compared to the above raw bangers

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Reply #39 posted 08/03/20 8:40am

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I wouldn't change a thing. I've made my own playlists taking stuff out and replacing with others and I'm always missing the stuff I take out.

I really like Days of Wild and Acknowledge Me so added both.

The one I dig that everyone seems to not is We March. I've always liked that one. Oh well...

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Reply #40 posted 08/03/20 10:36am

SoulAlive

dodger said:

databank said:



Empress said:


I don't understand why some people on this site are always wanting to change Prince's albums. Leave his shit alone! The albums are how he wanted them to be.

nod



It’s not really serious. I don’t think anyone actually wants to change the albums. We’re just strangers chatting shit on the internet


Yeah,it’s just for fun.We know that we can’t really “change” an artist’s album.It’s just a fun “what if” discussion.
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Reply #41 posted 08/03/20 10:41am

SoulAlive

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Unless the swearing offends people, I don’t get the hate for P Control. I’ve read critics call it misogynist and they obviously weren’t listening. It’s pretty much the template for Beyoncé’s whole consumer feminism shtick. Always loved it, especially how the hooks merge, and think it’s a great opener.


Never really liked it.It just sounds silly and contrived,imo.

I’d replace it with “Hide The Bone”,an excellent funk jam.
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Reply #42 posted 08/03/20 10:59am

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SoulAlive said:

mtlfan said:

Unless the swearing offends people, I don’t get the hate for P Control. I’ve read critics call it misogynist and they obviously weren’t listening. It’s pretty much the template for Beyoncé’s whole consumer feminism shtick. Always loved it, especially how the hooks merge, and think it’s a great opener.


Never really liked it.It just sounds silly and contrived,imo.

I’d replace it with “Hide The Bone”,an excellent funk jam.

I never liked it very much either. It was just "the artist" trying to be a bad guy like the shit hoppers. I remember that when he played this live, he used to say things like, "Parents, take your children outside! It's going to get nasty!" neutral
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Reply #43 posted 08/03/20 1:16pm

SoulAlive

"Ripopgodazippa" is one of my favorite songs from this era.It's such a cool song!

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Reply #44 posted 08/03/20 1:19pm

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SantanaMaitreya said:

SoulAlive said:
Never really liked it.It just sounds silly and contrived,imo. I’d replace it with “Hide The Bone”,an excellent funk jam.
I never liked it very much either. It was just "the artist" trying to be a bad guy like the shit hoppers. I remember that when he played this live, he used to say things like, "Parents, take your children outside! It's going to get nasty!" neutral

I agree.Sometimes when Prince raps,it sounds pretentious and forced....like he's trying too hard to fit into that image.I think "Days Of Wild" sounds truly convincing and badass,and yet he removed that one! nuts

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Reply #45 posted 08/03/20 1:51pm

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I would replace we March with Days O Wild

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Reply #46 posted 08/03/20 3:29pm

RODSERLING

Why would I change it in the first place?
I don't want to change it, not even a second of fading.
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Reply #47 posted 08/04/20 11:50am

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Replace the weak album version of THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN THE WORLD with the version he released on his own as a single.

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Reply #48 posted 08/04/20 12:05pm

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SoulAlive said:



SantanaMaitreya said:


SoulAlive said:
Never really liked it.It just sounds silly and contrived,imo. I’d replace it with “Hide The Bone”,an excellent funk jam.

I never liked it very much either. It was just "the artist" trying to be a bad guy like the shit hoppers. I remember that when he played this live, he used to say things like, "Parents, take your children outside! It's going to get nasty!" neutral


I agree.Sometimes when Prince raps,it sounds pretentious and forced....like he's trying too hard to fit into that image.I think "Days Of Wild" sounds truly convincing and badass,and yet he removed that one! nuts






Yeah. The biggest problem with Prince's music in the 1990s was that he just couldn't figure out how to deal with hip hop. Ignore it? Do it yourself? Hire a rapper? Days of Wild was one of the few cases where he got it right.
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Reply #49 posted 08/04/20 2:57pm

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Great topic.
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De-clutter the production, less aggressive mastering.
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And entirely lose any “interactive” seques.
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That would be a great start.
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Reply #50 posted 08/04/20 3:15pm

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That was my first Prince album and it made me a fan so I wouldn't change anything. Gold is standout and solidified his title as musical icon and legend. I felt that the gold experience was a Bowie inspired album maybe I'm wrong but that's just how I feel. even to this day that album is a breakout album is hold a special place in my heart, he never did music like that before nor after.
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Reply #51 posted 08/04/20 3:36pm

benni

I wouldn't. I've always loved this album, as is.

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Reply #52 posted 08/04/20 3:51pm

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CAL3 said:

Great topic. . De-clutter the production, less aggressive mastering. . And entirely lose any “interactive” seques. . That would be a great start. .


Yes, quite a few albums sound overproduced. Most P albums have perfect production, then there's Sign of the Times that's underproduced. But it wasn't until 90s that he started going too heavy and thick, multilayering stuff as if this would make mediocre songs sound great.

TGE consequently can be tiring to hear in one listen.

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Reply #53 posted 08/06/20 7:08am

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Add back in:


Interactive
Days Of Wild
Ripopgodazippa
Acknowledge Me

Add the missing NPG Operator segues. Lose the Endorphinemachine cowbell.

Maybe remove We March. I don't dislike it as much as most people do.

Pretty sure I'm over 80 mins eek

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Reply #54 posted 08/06/20 7:09am

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CAL3 said:

Great topic. . De-clutter the production, less aggressive mastering. . And entirely lose any “interactive” seques. . That would be a great start. .


I'm in the minority I think of people who like the segues.

I don't care for them on the prince album (Vanessa Bartholemew) but I do like them on The Gold Experience.

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Reply #55 posted 08/06/20 2:10pm

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Add back in:


Interactive
Days Of Wild
Ripopgodazippa
Acknowledge Me

Add the missing NPG Operator segues. Lose the Endorphinemachine cowbell.

Maybe remove We March. I don't dislike it as much as most people do.

Pretty sure I'm over 80 mins eek


Same. I don't get the hate for We March either. It's a weaker track but only in context of what surrounds it. Conversely, I don't get the total love for Dolphin. It's OK but, man, them lyrics are corny. I poked over to Wikipedia just to refrresh myself on the track list and...man...it's a really strong record.

I think the title track is one of his more underrated in that category too. He was obviously aiming at an anthem (again) and, while "Gold" falls a little short, it's a pretty great track. I used to LOVE P Control in my 20's but now not so much. It's a weird lead off track too since it doesn't really set the tone for the rest of the album. Interactive would be a better opening song (you're rigth) and, the older I get, P Control feels more like a b-side, tbh.

Burying Days of Wild is a crime though. And fuck the haters because "NOW" is a banger.

And, wait...you're saying to ADD segues? Hard and strong disagree on all that. Prince fucked up more albums with that goofy shit than I'd care to remember (Love Symbol, The Rainbow Children, Exodus and Gold). They're funny and cute the first time (sometimes) but really mess up the flow on repeated listens and lord if I don't have a custom CD that removes that crap from all those albums.


Odd to think too that on his Big Serious Artistic Statement, Lovesexy, he made it all one track but at the same time included zero seques.

TGE probably holds up the best from every album in his 90's catalog and makes a strong argument for the top five.

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Reply #56 posted 08/06/20 2:16pm

SoulAlive

"We March" is not a terrible song,it's just not as strong as the other tracks,imo.I can see why many would remove it.

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Reply #57 posted 08/06/20 2:24pm

SoulAlive

Seems that most of us really like "Days Of Wild" and would have loved for that song to be on the album music headbang

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Reply #58 posted 08/06/20 3:07pm

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SoulAlive said:

"We March" is not a terrible song,it's just not as strong as the other tracks,imo.I can see why many would remove it.





We March has grown on me over the years but I really disliked it at first solely because I had it in my head he axed Days Of Wild for it
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Reply #59 posted 08/06/20 3:16pm

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Listen to his released albums in order and the opening one two punch of P Control and Endorphinmachine are a welcome jolt of energy (and i say that as someone who thinks Come is a better record), but man, it's just overproduced to hell. Pretty much every song on it I prefer every alternate version I've heard. I look at the tracklist and it's such a strong record but i can't bring myself to put it on. There's no space in it, everything is revved up to a million.
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