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Reply #240 posted 08/20/18 2:23am

Silvertongue7

rogifan said:

206Michelle said:


Even if his greatest gift was something other than the guitar, to even suggest that Prince was not an elite guitar player is ridiculous!!!

Seems to me he just worded what he was trying to say confusingly. I took it that he meant Prince wasn’t just a great guitar player in the clinical/technical sense but that his guitar playing had real heart & soul to it.

That’s what I understood too.
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Reply #241 posted 08/20/18 2:40am

OperatingTheta
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206Michelle said:

EddieC said:



206Michelle said:


OperatingThetan said:
Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement? I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.

“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.”
OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

It could be read that way... but it could also be that being a great guitar player is not "his greatest gift" or the thing that made him a "true artist," but instead that "it" was his "inspiration and creativity." I don't think that Bland is saying one way or the other whether Prince was a great guitar player... but even if Prince was one, that's not the thing that mattered most.


Even if his greatest gift was something other than the guitar, to even suggest that Prince was not an elite guitar player is ridiculous!!!


Agreed.

It may have been awkwardly worded, but it's certainly not the assertion to make in that kind of article and never needed to be mentioned in that way.

We know what Prince was capable of but the article is targeted at the uninitiated. I wouldn't want an unfamiliar person coming away from that article thinking that Prince's own drummer thought he wasn't a great guitar player. Prince doesn't get enough credit as a multi-instrumentalist from the general public as it is.

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Reply #242 posted 08/20/18 6:24am

thisisreece

206Michelle said:

OperatingThetan said:
Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement? I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.
“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.” OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Come on - that's totally not what he's saying! He's saying the reason that we all are all so invested in Prince isn't that he was an immensely skilled guitar player (not that he wasn't, but Bland seems to commenting on this because it's often the first thing a lot of people talk about when discussing Prince's greatness), rather it was his creativeness and the unusual and interesting things he was able to conceive in his music.

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Reply #243 posted 08/20/18 8:50am

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206Michelle said:

OperatingThetan said:
Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement? I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.
“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.” OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

go and take your willful mis-interpretation and faux outrage elsewhere

Yes, I've probably made a spelling mistake, but I can't be arsed to go back and correc tit.
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Reply #244 posted 08/20/18 8:51am

Kares

kindofblue said:

As nobody has pointed it out before: Tidal features a long, well recherched article about the 1995 - 2010 period, that includes new interviews with Michael B, Chuck Zwicky, Alan Light et al, which contain lots of information and anecdotes, some of which are new to me.

- Michael B says, Michael Jacksons HISTory inspired Prince to release Emancipation as a 3 CD Set.

- Alan Light says, Prince hurt his hip while on the ONA tour.

etc. ect.

Read here:

http://read.tidal.com/article/prince-decade-muse

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I find it very hard to believe that in 1996 it was news to Prince that double albums get double sales figures, especially as he already had double albums in his own catalog.

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Reply #245 posted 08/20/18 10:59am

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Kares said:

kindofblue said:

As nobody has pointed it out before: Tidal features a long, well recherched article about the 1995 - 2010 period, that includes new interviews with Michael B, Chuck Zwicky, Alan Light et al, which contain lots of information and anecdotes, some of which are new to me.

- Michael B says, Michael Jacksons HISTory inspired Prince to release Emancipation as a 3 CD Set.

- Alan Light says, Prince hurt his hip while on the ONA tour.

etc. ect.

Read here:

http://read.tidal.com/article/prince-decade-muse

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I find it very hard to believe that in 1996 it was news to Prince that double albums get double sales figures, especially as he already had double albums in his own catalog.

I'm a bit confused as to when this policy started: was it already the case in the LP era or was it established at some point in the late 80's/early 90's? Like, did 1999 LP's count as TWO sales while 1999 cassettes and, later on, CD's counted as ONE? Many a double LP was a single cassette and later became a single CD.

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Reply #246 posted 08/20/18 2:21pm

luvsexy4all

any newer fans getting into the post 90's prince with this????

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Reply #247 posted 08/20/18 2:45pm

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

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I find it very hard to believe that in 1996 it was news to Prince that double albums get double sales figures, especially as he already had double albums in his own catalog.

I'm a bit confused as to when this policy started: was it already the case in the LP era or was it established at some point in the late 80's/early 90's? Like, did 1999 LP's count as TWO sales while 1999 cassettes and, later on, CD's counted as ONE? Many a double LP was a single cassette and later became a single CD.

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RIAA was double-counting double albums in the '60s already, so yes, LP sales of '1999' were counted double, while the cassette and CD versions of the same album only count once.

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Reply #248 posted 08/20/18 4:07pm

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Shouldn't ANthology have it's own thread?

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Reply #249 posted 08/20/18 7:15pm

206Michelle

OperatingThetan said:

206Michelle said:


Even if his greatest gift was something other than the guitar, to even suggest that Prince was not an elite guitar player is ridiculous!!!


Agreed.

It may have been awkwardly worded, but it's certainly not the assertion to make in that kind of article and never needed to be mentioned in that way.

We know what Prince was capable of but the article is targeted at the uninitiated. I wouldn't want an unfamiliar person coming away from that article thinking that Prince's own drummer thought he wasn't a great guitar player. Prince doesn't get enough credit as a multi-instrumentalist from the general public as it is.

[Edited 8/20/18 2:41am]

yes, precisely OT!!!
[Edited 8/20/18 19:16pm]
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Reply #250 posted 08/21/18 2:36am

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Kares said:

databank said:

I'm a bit confused as to when this policy started: was it already the case in the LP era or was it established at some point in the late 80's/early 90's? Like, did 1999 LP's count as TWO sales while 1999 cassettes and, later on, CD's counted as ONE? Many a double LP was a single cassette and later became a single CD.

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RIAA was double-counting double albums in the '60s already, so yes, LP sales of '1999' were counted double, while the cassette and CD versions of the same album only count once.

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Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copies in the US rolleyes

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Reply #251 posted 08/21/18 3:47am

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

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RIAA was double-counting double albums in the '60s already, so yes, LP sales of '1999' were counted double, while the cassette and CD versions of the same album only count once.

.

Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copies in the US rolleyes

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Yup. The same goes for SOTT, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, prince. We simply don't know how many copies they really sold – at least I don't know, but I haven't researched it either as I don't care about stuff like that. Someone might be able to find the actual sales figures though (and not just the certifications).
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Anyway, by 1996 Prince had already released 5 double albums in the US (The Gold Experience was also a double LP but was only released commercially in Europe) so I'm not buying the story of him being surprised in 1996 to learn that double albums count twice the sales.

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[Edited 8/21/18 5:08am]

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Reply #252 posted 08/21/18 5:22am

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Kares said:

databank said:

Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copies in the US rolleyes

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Yup. The same goes for SOTT, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, prince. We simply don't know how many copies they really sold – at least I don't know, but I haven't researched it either as I don't care about stuff like that. Someone might be able to find the actual sales figures though (and not just the certifications).
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Anyway, by 1996 Prince had already released 5 double albums in the US (The Gold Experience was also a double LP but was only released commercially in Europe) so I'm not buying the story of him being surprised in 1996 to learn that double albums count twice the sales.

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[Edited 8/21/18 5:08am]

Who knows... Prince was sometimes reported as being very down to earth when it comes to business, and other times as being completely disconnected from practical matters. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

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Reply #253 posted 08/21/18 6:36am

leecaldon

rogifan said:

leecaldon said:

Those are all pretty reasonable assertions to make, and fairly mainstream thinking. The comment on Lovesexy would be the only questionable one for me.

Im sorry but IMO these “notes” should be generic and not full of opinion. They shouldn’t include words like unremarkable or bizarre.

I remember Tidal having something similar when Prince launched with them.

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Reply #254 posted 08/21/18 6:40am

leecaldon

rogifan said:

206Michelle said:
dustoff said:
I don’t want to sound like I’m bitching, but why wasn’t the anthology 1994 to 2010? Dark and The Most Beautiful Girl in the World should be on this anthology. I know that TMBGITW was on the 4ever compilation. . For the most part, I think the tracks selected are good. But Colonized Mind needs to be on here because it is a masterful track. Also, where is Future Baby Mama; He won a Grammy for that song. . Also, why does the album stop at 2010?
Yeah I don’t know why it stops at 2010. Also I Like It There should be on here. He played it quite a bit live in the later years.

It stops at 2010 because that's where that time period covers the music that has just been made available on Spotify.

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Reply #255 posted 08/21/18 9:21am

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thisisreece said:

206Michelle said:

OperatingThetan said: “If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.”[/i] OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Come on - that's totally not what he's saying! He's saying the reason that we all are all so invested in Prince isn't that he was an immensely skilled guitar player (not that he wasn't, but Bland seems to commenting on this because it's often the first thing a lot of people talk about when discussing Prince's greatness), rather it was his creativeness and the unusual and interesting things he was able to conceive in his music.


This is clearly what Bland meant. I don't know how anyone could interpret it differently.

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Reply #256 posted 08/21/18 11:18am

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sexton said:

thisisreece said:

Come on - that's totally not what he's saying! He's saying the reason that we all are all so invested in Prince isn't that he was an immensely skilled guitar player (not that he wasn't, but Bland seems to commenting on this because it's often the first thing a lot of people talk about when discussing Prince's greatness), rather it was his creativeness and the unusual and interesting things he was able to conceive in his music.


This is clearly what Bland meant. I don't know how anyone could interpret it differently.

Reading comprehension is an issue for many Prince fans.

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Reply #257 posted 08/21/18 2:02pm

RODSERLING

databank said:



Kares said:




databank said:



I'm a bit confused as to when this policy started: was it already the case in the LP era or was it established at some point in the late 80's/early 90's? Like, did 1999 LP's count as TWO sales while 1999 cassettes and, later on, CD's counted as ONE? Many a double LP was a single cassette and later became a single CD.



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RIAA was double-counting double albums in the '60s already, so yes, LP sales of '1999' were counted double, while the cassette and CD versions of the same album only count once.


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Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copiés in the US rolleyes



OMG. You are all terribly wrong.
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RIAA made it perfectly clear that every album released from 1982 onwards be counted twice, to the only condition : to have more than 100 minutes lenght.
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Why 1982? À little History lesson : that s the year when the CD format was released.
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So was 1999 released before 1982? No.
Does 1999 last more than 100 minutes? No.
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Why was it certifiéd 4 millions in 1999? Because by this time, there was at least four millions copies of the album shipped.
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In fact,had 1999 been released in 1981, it would have been certified 9*P by now.
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RIAA Always regarded 1999 as à one disc album.
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Same thing for SOTT, which in my World never lasted more than 80 minutes.
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People talking about GOLD or Diamonds to be certifiéd twice for two LP doesn t know what they are talking about.
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Reply #258 posted 08/21/18 2:18pm

RODSERLING

databank said:



Kares said:




databank said:



Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copies in the US rolleyes



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Yup. The same goes for SOTT, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, prince. We simply don't know how many copies they really sold – at least I don't know, but I haven't researched it either as I don't care about stuff like that. Someone might be able to find the actual sales figures though (and not just the certifications).
.
Anyway, by 1996 Prince had already released 5 double albums in the US (The Gold Experience was also a double LP but was only released commercially in Europe) so I'm not buying the story of him being surprised in 1996 to learn that double albums count twice the sales.


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[Edited 8/21/18 5:08am]



Who knows... Prince was sometimes reported as being very down to earth when it comes to business, and other times as being completely disconnected from practical matters. The truth is probably somewhere in between.



The Hits was certifiéd in décember of 1993 Platinum for 333.333 copies sold.
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So by 1995 and the release of History, Prince was Well aware of this industry rule.
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What Bland implied, was that Prince decided, seeing the History marketing, to make huge fake official numbers by releasing à triple album .
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Reply #259 posted 08/22/18 7:20am

Kares

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copiés in the US rolleyes

OMG. You are all terribly wrong. . RIAA made it perfectly clear that every album released from 1982 onwards be counted twice, to the only condition : to have more than 100 minutes lenght. .

.

OK, you're right – I forgot about the 100 mins criteria.

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Reply #260 posted 08/22/18 12:11pm

luvsexy4all

so if this garners a bunch of streams..will that mean they will release cds?

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Reply #261 posted 08/22/18 11:27pm

RODSERLING

luvsexy4all said:

so if this garners a bunch of streams..will that mean they will release cds?



No. I had à slight hope, when they announced the deal two months ago, they would release one greatest Hits from this era in one or two CDs, to introduce this catalogue to new fans.
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Maybe it was at one point in the Works, but they Couldn t have TMBGITW. There are also many albums they Can t have in fact.
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So even in streaming they Can t have the hype needed.
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So far, this year sold only 20.000 copies in the US in the CD format (it performs better in vinyle!).
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1999, his best second selling album must have sold 5000 copies in CD So far.
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His others best sellers, such as Diamonds, Batman, etc. Sells only an average of 1000/2000 à year.
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What are the chances then to sell physically long forgotten albums without unreleased stuff in it? They Can t make money out of the physical format.
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Reply #262 posted 08/23/18 1:53am

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Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.

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Reply #263 posted 08/23/18 3:30am

Kares

If the Japanese can make money on rereleasing totally obscure albums as LP-replica CDs, recreating the original artwork with painstaking accuracy (incl. any postcards, inner sleeves, posters and anything the original release came with) in limited quantities of often just 1000, then I see absolutely no reason why a full catalog rerelease program for Prince's albums wouldn't be financially viable.

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Even his most obscure albums would easily sell at least 5000 worldwide with zero marketing, especially if they're beautifully made Japanese mini-LPs. Just imagine having his entire catalog as gorgeous, limited edition Japanese mini-LPs in 7" covers, as they did it for some Yes and ELP titles recently. (A 'Bitches Brew' SACD also just came out in 7" mini-LP cover and it's gorgeous, so is the Santana 'Lotus' package from last year.)

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Reply #264 posted 08/23/18 6:29am

RODSERLING

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Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.



You Can t absolutely compare Prince with a " forgotten 80 artist".
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Prince had multiple contracts that are impossible to deal with, except if you make à lot of money out of it.
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The various record companies that Prince or his estate dealt with, paid à lot of money for the rights of his music. That s why we fans are forever fucked.
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Even the lack of TMBGITW in the Sony catalogue, or some albums, Côme as a huge (Bad) surprise.
So the commercial interest in this deal is already killed.
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That s why WB doesn t want to bother investing money in à deluxe reissue, when they already Lost their money on PR deluxe.
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Reply #265 posted 08/23/18 7:05am

Kares

RODSERLING said:

jaawwnn said:

Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.

the commercial interest in this deal is already killed. . That s why WB doesn t want to bother investing money in à deluxe reissue, when they already Lost their money on PR deluxe. .

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.

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If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.

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Reply #266 posted 08/23/18 8:01am

MIRvmn

Kares said:



RODSERLING said:


jaawwnn said:

Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.



the commercial interest in this deal is already killed. . That s why WB doesn t want to bother investing money in à deluxe reissue, when they already Lost their money on PR deluxe. .

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.


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If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.


Yes WB obviously wasn't satisfied with PR Deluxe and only released it cuz it was part of the 2014 deal. They were also pissed off cuz Prince refused to release it in 2014 when it was the 30th anniversary.
I do believe that at some point WB will release a much better box set with proper promotion cuz thay wanna milk Purple Rain as much as possible.
[Edited 8/23/18 8:02am]
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Reply #267 posted 08/23/18 8:23am

rdhull

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MIRvmn said:

Kares said:

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.

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If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.

Yes WB obviously wasn't satisfied with PR Deluxe and only released it cuz it was part of the 2014 deal. They were also pissed off cuz Prince refused to release it in 2014 when it was the 30th anniversary. I do believe that at some point WB will release a much better box set with proper promotion cuz thay wanna milk Purple Rain as much as possible. [Edited 8/23/18 8:02am]

and it still wont do large numbers

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Reply #268 posted 08/23/18 8:33am

RODSERLING

MIRvmn said:

Kares said:



RODSERLING said:


jaawwnn said:

Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.



the commercial interest in this deal is already killed. . That s why WB doesn t want to bother investing money in à deluxe reissue, when they already Lost their money on PR deluxe. .

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.


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If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.


Yes WB obviously wasn't satisfied with PR Deluxe and only released it cuz it was part of the 2014 deal. They were also pissed off cuz Prince refused to release it in 2014 when it was the 30th anniversary.
I do believe that at some point WB will release a much better box set with proper promotion cuz thay wanna milk Purple Rain as much as possible.
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Highly unlikely.
They struggled for 3 years to release this unreleased material. And frankly, this was very good material overall, even if it didn t sound perfect for some tracks.
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What Can they release now? This was the first ever, long awaited and rumoured ( since at least 2004) Prince re-release. And it tanked commercially, because most of the fans didn t buy it.
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So I doubt, now that the physical market shrinked Again from 20% since last year, that WB Will release another deluxe reissue in the years to come. Let s be honest, fans Will keep on bitching about it, no matter what they would release anyway.
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WB wanted to make huge promotion about PR deluxe, but every plan was scrapped when the estate vetoed the 1st avenue release, remasterised in HD.
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Instead, the estate chose to make PR à flop, for unknown reasons, and not release 1st avenue at all.
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Kares said:

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.

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If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.

Yes WB obviously wasn't satisfied with PR Deluxe and only released it cuz it was part of the 2014 deal.

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Do we know that PR Deluxe was part of the '14 deal? I don't think so. As far as I'm aware only the remaster of the original album was part of the deal, that's what Prince gave them, without any bonus material. All the added stuff was just Warner's decision, with no involvement from the estate (apart from getting their approval) and with no access to Paisley's vault.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
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