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Thread started 08/16/18 11:24am

dodger

NEWS : Prince's post 1995 catalog hits streaming services, including new 1995-2010 Anthology

https://open.spotify.com/track/5pMzJcznwQvxJFNy1r4aWm?nd=1
Reply #1 posted 08/16/18 12:25pm

jaawwnn

what on earth is this???

Jesus, that's a messy tracklist.

[Edited 8/16/18 14:12pm]

Reply #2 posted 08/16/18 1:14pm

IstenSzek

well that was random lol


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #3 posted 08/16/18 1:26pm

dodger

https://open.spotify.com/album/0CEHFvHUQ0ZSv3mugziS76?nd=1

Looks like all the albums from 95 - 2010 are going on Spotify and they’ve put together a compilation...
Reply #4 posted 08/16/18 1:51pm

jaawwnn

Well, silly anthology aside it's great to be getting these albums on streaming services that people actually use.

I notice The Most Beautiful Girl isn't on the compilation, that song just refuses to be made available.

[Edited 8/16/18 13:53pm]

Reply #5 posted 08/16/18 2:01pm

Militant

moderator

Hold on, I'll make this the official thread.

Reply #6 posted 08/16/18 2:05pm

Militant

moderator

Reply #7 posted 08/16/18 2:21pm

TwiliteKid

Militant said:

Nice cover! What's the tracklist? I use Apple Music and they don't have it yet.

Reply #8 posted 08/16/18 2:23pm

TheEnglishGent

Good news 😎
RIP sad
Reply #9 posted 08/16/18 2:24pm

TheEnglishGent

TwiliteKid said:

 



Militant said:




Nice cover! What's the tracklist? I use Apple Music and they don't have it yet. 


I use Apple Music too but you can still click on the link and see the playlist. I would paste it here but on mobile and too lazy.
RIP sad
Reply #10 posted 08/16/18 2:25pm

dustoff

Tracklist:

1. Emancipation

2. Black Sweat

3. P. Control

4. Crucial

5. The Love We Make

6. Eye Hate U

7. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold

8. Eye Love U, But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore

9. Gold

10. Guitar

11. Dream Factory

12. The Work Pt. 1

13. Call My Name

14. Strays of the World

15. Shhh

16. Dreamer

17. Chaos and Disorder

18. Endorphinmachine

19. Musicology

20. Northside

21. When Eye Lay My Hands on U

22. Beautiful Strange

23. Future Soul Song

24. Empty Room (Live)

25. 3rd Eye

26. U're Gonna C Me

27. Dinner with Delores

28. Ol' Skool Company

29. 4ever

30. West

31. Xpedition

32. Muse 2 the Pharaoh

33. Somewhere Here on Earth

34. U Make My Sun Shine

35. 1+1+1 is 3

36. Chelsea Rogers

37. We March

Reply #11 posted 08/16/18 2:26pm

Militant

moderator

There's a video advert!

Here.

Reply #12 posted 08/16/18 2:26pm

TwiliteKid

TheEnglishGent said:

TwiliteKid said:

Nice cover! What's the tracklist? I use Apple Music and they don't have it yet.

I use Apple Music too but you can still click on the link and see the playlist. I would paste it here but on mobile and too lazy.

Hmm - I clicked before asking and it wouldn't load for me.

Reply #13 posted 08/16/18 2:31pm

Silvertongue7

Strange that they haven’t included at least the Gold Experience versión of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World. Cool track list though.
Reply #14 posted 08/16/18 2:32pm

mikeyaddict

Albums we have already being released is news? Will I get my lotu$£lower t-shirt? I’ll give the compilation ago - but doesn’t seem a real flow or order to it. Maybe we’ll get something worthwhile in 2020 - the tidal release is gonna be shit isn’t it really.
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #15 posted 08/16/18 2:48pm

IstenSzek

staying true to my own moaning self, i'm gonna say this is nice news but i would have liked to see
a bit of a better anthology tracklist. first of all, chronological and a bit more in depth and cohesive.
so what if it's 75 songs. we're in the era of playlists lol thrown in a few deep cuts and one offs,
leaving out Crystal Ball entirely since that just fucks up the chronology, even if some of those cuts
are amazing.

01 The Most Beautiful Girl In The World

02 Dolphin

03 Letitgo

04 Endorphinmachine

05 Shhh

06 Lovesign

07 I Hate U

08 Dinner With Delores

09 I Like It There

10 Face Down

11 Somebody’s Somebody

12 The Holy River

13 Joint 2 Joint

14 In This Bed I Scream

15 The Truth

16 Don’t Play Me

17 Beautiful Strange

18 Undisputed

19 The Greatest Romance Ever Sold

20 So Far, So Pleased

21 The Work Pt 1

22 Mellow

23 She Loves Me 4 Me

24 Everlasting Now

25 One Nite Alone

26 A Case Of U

27 Pearls B4 The Swine

28 Osaka

29 Tokyo

30 North

31 Xhalation

32 Xpedition

33 Musicology

34 Call My Name

35 What Do U Want Me 2 Do?

36 Reflection

37 When I Lay My Hands On U

38 Supercute

39 Sex Me Sex Me Not

40 U Make My Sun Shine

41 Silicon

42 Northside

43 2045: Radical Man

44 Magnificent

45 S.S.T.

46 GlassCutter

47 3121

48 Te Amo Corazon

49 Black Sweat

50 Fury

51 The Word

52 Somewhere Here On Earth

53 Guitar

54 Future Baby Mama

55 F.U.N.K.

56 Crimson & Clover

57 Colonized Mind

58 Dreamer

59 Dance 4 Me

60 Old Skool Company

61 Lavaux

62 Future Soul Song

63 Laydown

64 Clouds

65 Breakfast Can Wait

66 This Could B Us

67 Time

68 Xs Face

69 HardrockLover

70 1000 Xs & Os

71 Rock n Roll Love Affair

72 Screwdriver

73 Anotherlove

75 Black Muse

76 Revelation

anyway, good to see that things are moving forward. even if we as hardcore fans already have all
of this material. it's a good thing that it hits streaming and prince's catalogue is more complete
now than it has been for a long time, and most importantly, available to everyone out there to be
blown away by.

once all these things are sorted and out there, perhaps they can move forward and release more
vault albums and songs for us, who already have everything and more smile


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #16 posted 08/16/18 3:15pm

Strive

Chelsea Rogers probably should have been replaced with Sticky Like Glue but the Anthology tracklist isn't too bad. Nice little mix for people that might not be hip to his later work.
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #17 posted 08/16/18 3:41pm

OperatingThetan

Nice for those unfamiliar. Hardcore fans like ourselves were never going to be the target audience for a project like this.

I hope this opens some ears and perspectives.
Reply #18 posted 08/16/18 3:51pm

lust

Whilst there’s a couple of tracks which I think are odd inclusions, the curator has done a great job. They included The Love We Make for starters. Very nice little intro to Prince’s later work. It’s an easy way for the masses to dip their toes in. Long overdue.
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
Reply #19 posted 08/16/18 4:09pm

lust

As The Hits/B sides goes to 1993 and Anthology starts
from 1995 it means that Prince’s Come has slipped through the cracks!
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
Reply #20 posted 08/16/18 4:20pm

sexton

IstenSzek said:

staying true to my own moaning self, i'm gonna say this is nice news but i would have liked to see
a bit of a better anthology tracklist. first of all, chronological and a bit more in depth and cohesive.
so what if it's 75 songs. we're in the era of playlists lol thrown in a few deep cuts and one offs,
leaving out Crystal Ball entirely since that just fucks up the chronology, even if some of those cuts
are amazing.

01 The Most Beautiful Girl In The World

02 Dolphin

03 Letitgo

04 Endorphinmachine

05 Shhh

06 Lovesign

07 I Hate U

08 Dinner With Delores

09 I Like It There

10 Face Down

11 Somebody’s Somebody

12 The Holy River

13 Joint 2 Joint

14 In This Bed I Scream

15 The Truth

16 Don’t Play Me

17 Beautiful Strange

18 Undisputed

19 The Greatest Romance Ever Sold

20 So Far, So Pleased

21 The Work Pt 1

22 Mellow

23 She Loves Me 4 Me

24 Everlasting Now

25 One Nite Alone

26 A Case Of U

27 Pearls B4 The Swine

28 Osaka

29 Tokyo

30 North

31 Xhalation

32 Xpedition

33 Musicology

34 Call My Name

35 What Do U Want Me 2 Do?

36 Reflection

37 When I Lay My Hands On U

38 Supercute

39 Sex Me Sex Me Not

40 U Make My Sun Shine

41 Silicon

42 Northside

43 2045: Radical Man

44 Magnificent

45 S.S.T.

46 GlassCutter

47 3121

48 Te Amo Corazon

49 Black Sweat

50 Fury

51 The Word

52 Somewhere Here On Earth

53 Guitar

54 Future Baby Mama

55 F.U.N.K.

56 Crimson & Clover

57 Colonized Mind

58 Dreamer

59 Dance 4 Me

60 Old Skool Company

61 Lavaux

62 Future Soul Song

63 Laydown

64 Clouds

65 Breakfast Can Wait

66 This Could B Us

67 Time

68 Xs Face

69 HardrockLover

70 1000 Xs & Os

71 Rock n Roll Love Affair

72 Screwdriver

73 Anotherlove

75 Black Muse

76 Revelation

anyway, good to see that things are moving forward. even if we as hardcore fans already have all
of this material. it's a good thing that it hits streaming and prince's catalogue is more complete
now than it has been for a long time, and most importantly, available to everyone out there to be
blown away by.

once all these things are sorted and out there, perhaps they can move forward and release more
vault albums and songs for us, who already have everything and more smile



When I first saw this thread, I immediately thought of The Dawn compilation and what a well-made collection that was even though it's almost four hours long.

Reply #21 posted 08/16/18 4:47pm

rnb

Why would they release this prior to the M&P 83 and the tidal releases in September? Are they trying to build a buzz or sabotage/upstage the September's release dates?




Long live Tidal!
Reply #22 posted 08/16/18 4:50pm

OperatingThetan

All the 1995-2010 Prince albums are now on streaming services.
Reply #23 posted 08/16/18 4:55pm

Silvertongue7

Does anyone know whether they will release the albums on iTunes? I currently don’t subscribe to any streaming service, and my NPGMC releases could do with an upgrade...
Reply #24 posted 08/16/18 4:56pm

OperatingThetan

rnb said:

Why would they release this prior to the M&P 83 and the tidal releases in September? Are they trying to build a buzz or sabotage/upstage the September's release dates?




Long live Tidal!


I think it's just the result of the Sony deal for the 1995-2010 material and that those particular albums are available on all streaming services as of today (UK time). The new compilation is essentially an introductory playlist.

To my awareness, the Tidal exclusive album is due in 2019. I don't believe a move like this would upstage Tidal anyway as they already had most of the 1995-2010 albums long ago. I've just checked my Tidal and only a handful of albums, such as Crystal Ball and Emancipation have been added. It's really bigger news for Spotify and other streaming platforms that didn't have this music previously.
Reply #25 posted 08/16/18 4:58pm

OperatingThetan

Silvertongue7 said:

Does anyone know whether they will release the albums on iTunes? I currently don’t subscribe to any streaming service, and my NPGMC releases could do with an upgrade...


They should be, but both the NPGMC releases have been available to download on the Tidal store without subscription for years. The sound quality is far superior to the originals.
Reply #26 posted 08/16/18 5:03pm

Silvertongue7

OperatingThetan said:

Silvertongue7 said:

Does anyone know whether they will release the albums on iTunes? I currently don’t subscribe to any streaming service, and my NPGMC releases could do with an upgrade...


They should be, but both the NPGMC releases have been available to download on the Tidal store without subscription for years. The sound quality is far superior to the originals.

I know, but I bought a couple of things from tidal and the price was a rip off (they converted one pound - one dollar) and I never got the files I paid for, so I’m avoiding them.
By the way, I just checked iTunes U.K. and they’re all there!
[Edited 8/16/18 17:06pm]
Reply #27 posted 08/16/18 5:15pm

OperatingThetan

Silvertongue7 said:

OperatingThetan said:



They should be, but both the NPGMC releases have been available to download on the Tidal store without subscription for years. The sound quality is far superior to the originals.

I know, but I bought a couple of things from tidal and the price was a rip off (they converted one pound - one dollar) and I never got the files I paid for, so I’m avoiding them.
By the way, I just checked iTunes U.K. and they’re all there!
[Edited 8/16/18 17:06pm]


Great news!
Reply #28 posted 08/16/18 5:42pm

IstenSzek

..

[Edited 8/16/18 17:48pm]

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #29 posted 08/16/18 5:46pm

MIRvmn

Anthology is now on Google play and all albums from 1995 - 2010 except TGE cool
[Edited 8/16/18 17:55pm]
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #30 posted 08/16/18 5:53pm

ThirdStrike

Is it on Tidal? Actually, I'm not finding it on Spotify or Amazon Music either. Am I missing something?

Reply #31 posted 08/16/18 5:56pm

Silvertongue7

ThirdStrike said:

Is it on Tidal?  Actually, I'm not finding it on Spotify or Amazon Music either.  Am I missing something?


I think it became available in Spain, where I am now, at midnight. It might be the case for every country and you might have to wait a few hours...
Reply #32 posted 08/16/18 5:59pm

ThirdStrike

Silvertongue7 said:

ThirdStrike said:

Is it on Tidal? Actually, I'm not finding it on Spotify or Amazon Music either. Am I missing something?

I think it became available in Spain, where I am now, at midnight. It might be the case for every country and you might have to wait a few hours...

Thanks. It's weird. I clicked on the link for Spotify, and it lists the album but with only 37 songs, and it the only one playable is "We March". Maybe it's going to be released tomorrow and it's still Thursday here in Sunny and Hot Simi Valley California (9pm).

Reply #33 posted 08/16/18 6:00pm

IstenSzek

Silvertongue7 said:

ThirdStrike said:

Is it on Tidal? Actually, I'm not finding it on Spotify or Amazon Music either. Am I missing something?

I think it became available in Spain, where I am now, at midnight. It might be the case for every country and you might have to wait a few hours...


yes, new releases on spotify always show up thursday night 23:00 so they're on the site when
people wake up on friday, since friday is the day the new albums are released.

all prince albums showed up for me just after 23:00 tonight.

everything's there now, isn't it? except for "the black album" and "the most beautiful girl in the
world" isn't there yet either. must be some seriously weird legal issues with that song.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #34 posted 08/16/18 6:01pm

bluefish

ThirdStrike said:

Thanks. It's weird. I clicked on the link for Spotify, and it lists the album but with only 37 songs, and it the only one playable is "We March". Maybe it's going to be released tomorrow and it's still Thursday here in Sunny and Hot Simi Valley California (9pm).


Same here shrug

‎PRINCE: 1958 - infinity
Reply #35 posted 08/16/18 6:03pm

ThirdStrike

bluefish said:

ThirdStrike said:

Thanks. It's weird. I clicked on the link for Spotify, and it lists the album but with only 37 songs, and it the only one playable is "We March". Maybe it's going to be released tomorrow and it's still Thursday here in Sunny and Hot Simi Valley California (9pm).


Same here shrug

Where you located? I'm thionking it's waiting to drop for us on the west coast at 9am (which would be midnight on the east)...

Reply #36 posted 08/16/18 6:04pm

Silvertongue7

IstenSzek said:

 



Silvertongue7 said:


ThirdStrike said:

Is it on Tidal?  Actually, I'm not finding it on Spotify or Amazon Music either.  Am I missing something?



I think it became available in Spain, where I am now, at midnight. It might be the case for every country and you might have to wait a few hours...


yes, new releases on spotify always show up thursday night 23:00 so they're on the site when
people wake up on friday, since friday is the day the new albums are released.

all prince albums showed up for me just after 23:00 tonight.

everything's there now, isn't it? except for "the black album" and "the most beautiful girl in the
world" isn't there yet either. must be some seriously weird legal issues with that song.



I can’t find The Gold Experience or New Power Soul on iTunes, but everything else seems to be, yes.
Reply #37 posted 08/16/18 6:09pm

IstenSzek

"the gold experience" is on spotify, so i guess it'll show up on itunes too, since all of
the other new additions to spotiry are also on itunes.

except for the black album which is on neither.

"new power soul" is technically a 'new power generation' release so that might by why
it's not there.

hopefully they'll start putting up some associated artist releases and then they'll surely
include nps and exodus too.

..

[Edited 8/16/18 18:11pm]

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #38 posted 08/16/18 6:15pm

bluefish

ThirdStrike said:

bluefish said:


Same here shrug

Where you located? I'm thionking it's waiting to drop for us on the west coast at 9am (which would be midnight on the east)...


Minnesota

‎PRINCE: 1958 - infinity
Reply #39 posted 08/16/18 6:19pm

MIRvmn

It's really a shame that The most beautiful girl in the world isn't on Anthology and there's nothing from Come. They could've at least included Letitgo
We are living in Orwell's 1984
Reply #40 posted 08/16/18 6:20pm

IstenSzek

bluefish said:

ThirdStrike said:

Where you located? I'm thionking it's waiting to drop for us on the west coast at 9am (which would be midnight on the east)...


Minnesota


i literally answered your question a few posts back neutral

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #41 posted 08/16/18 6:23pm

ChocolateBox3121

FINALLY! My favorite Prince period is on Spotify!

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #42 posted 08/16/18 6:37pm

Rzeplica

MIRvmn said:

It's really a shame that The most beautiful girl in the world isn't on Anthology and there's nothing from Come. They could've at least included Letitgo

Well "Come" has already been on Spotify (and other streaming services) so there's really no need to include tracks from in it this compiliation

Reply #43 posted 08/16/18 7:13pm

coldasice

rnb said:

Why would they release this prior to the M&P 83 and the tidal releases in September? Are they trying to build a buzz or sabotage/upstage the September's release dates?




Long live Tidal!


Tidal album will be in 2019
Reply #44 posted 08/16/18 7:56pm

EddieC

Silvertongue7 said:

OperatingThetan said:
They should be, but both the NPGMC releases have been available to download on the Tidal store without subscription for years. The sound quality is far superior to the originals.
I know, but I bought a couple of things from tidal and the price was a rip off (they converted one pound - one dollar) and I never got the files I paid for, so I’m avoiding them. By the way, I just checked iTunes U.K. and they’re all there! [Edited 8/16/18 17:06pm]

Wait--I don't know what the prices were on Tidal, but are you saying (as an example) that a UK purchase that would cost 20 dollars in the US would cost 20 pounds? Wow.

Reply #45 posted 08/16/18 8:01pm

art

Yeah!
I'm a Rainbow Children, Xpectation, News and Musicology lover and I'm startin'to be a 3121 lover.
Reply #46 posted 08/16/18 8:12pm

Militant

moderator

UPDATE : Steve Parke did the artwork biggrin

Reply #47 posted 08/16/18 9:47pm

Strive

Live on Amazon for people that want to purchase.

Seems like $9.99 an album, $14.99 for One Nite Alone Live, $14.99 for Anthology and $19.99 for Crystal Ball

[img]https://i.imgur.com/eMiJI3B.jpg[/img]
[Edited 8/16/18 21:49pm]
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #48 posted 08/16/18 9:51pm

Milty2

Any word of a physical cd release of The Anthology?

PRINCE - Hometown Hero: vimeo.com/136326665
Reply #49 posted 08/16/18 10:00pm

lust

So do we consider Anthology as a legitimate album release alongside the other hits albums?
If the milk turns out to be sour, I aint the kinda pussy to drink it!
Reply #50 posted 08/16/18 10:00pm

jayceman

The Press Release:

LEGACY RECORDINGS AND THE PRINCE ESTATE LAUNCH FIRST WAVE OF PRINCE CATALOGUE DIGITAL RELEASES TODAY
 
23 CATALOGUE TITLES (INCLUDING RARE AND OUT-OF-PRINT RECORDINGS) + NEWLY CURATED 37-TRACK PRINCE ANTHOLOGY: 1995-2010 AVAILABLE NOW ON STREAMING SERVICES AND DSPS
 
August 17, 2018-New York, NY-Legacy Recordings, a division of Sony Music Entertainment, is launching its first round of Prince catalogue digital releases today, August 17.
 
The first wave of Prince catalogue titles to be released through an exclusive agreement struck in June between Sony Music Entertainment and The Prince Estate focuses on 1995-2010, a crucial epoch in Prince history. 23 highly-collectible Prince catalogue titles (many of them hard-to-find or out-of-print) and PRINCE ANTHOLOGY: 1995-2010 (a newly-curated anthology of 37 essential tracks from the era) are now available across all major streaming services and digital service providers.
 
Many of these albums, long sought-after by fans and collectors, are available for the first time for streaming and download, adding more than 300 essential Prince songs to the artist's online in-print catalogue.
 
For Prince, 1995-2010 was an unprecedented period of sustained and prolific creativity. Releasing fresh recordings at a rapid-fire pace through a variety of distribution strategies including his own online NPG Music Club, Prince was making some of the most provocative, experimental and soulful music of his career. Freed from major label demands and expectations, Prince was able to write, record and release his own music on his own terms.
 
Assembled and curated under the auspices of The Prince Estate, PRINCE ANTHOLOGY: 1995-2010 brings together 37 key recordings from the era. Opening with the title track from EMANCIPATION ("This is my most important record," said Prince when the album was released in 1996) and closing with the anthemic "We March" (from 1995's THE GOLD EXPERIENCE), this new compilation provides a coherent musical chronicle of Prince's artistic and spiritual evolution through the late 20th and early 21st centuries in songs that continue to resonant in the culture.
 
 PRINCE ANTHOLOGY: 1995- 2010 draws spotlight tracks from THE GOLD EXPERIENCE, EMANCIPATION, CHAOS AND DISORDER, CRYSTAL BALL, THE TRUTH, RAVE UN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC, RAVE IN2 THE JOY FANTASTIC, THE RAINBOW CHILDREN, ONE NITE ALONE..., C-NOTE, N.E.W.S., XPECTATION, MUSICOLOGY (includes 2005 Best Male R&B Performance Grammy winner ‘Call My Name’), THE SLAUGHTERHOUSE, THE CHOCOLATE INVASION, 3121 (the first Prince album to debut at #1 on the Billboard 200), PLANET EARTH, LOTUSFLOW3R, MPLSoUND and 20Ten.
 
Prince catalogue titles newly available digitally via Sony Music Entertainment/Legacy are:
 
1. The Gold Experience (1995) ("The Most Beautiful Girl in the World" greyed out, partial album streaming only; album unavailable for download)
2.    Chaos and Disorder (1996)
3.    Emancipation (1996)
4.    Crystal Ball (1998)
5.    The Truth (1998)
6.    Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic (1999)
7.    Rave In2 The Joy Fantastic (2001)
8.    The Rainbow Children (2001)
9.    One Nite Alone… (2002)
10.  One Nite Alone…Live! (2002)
11.  One Nite Alone...Live - The Aftershow: It Ain't Over (Up Late with Prince & The NPG) (2002)
12.  Xpectation (2003)
13. N.E.W.S. (2003)
14. C-Note (2004)
15. Musicology (2004)
16. The Chocolate Invasion (Trax from the NPG Music Club: Volume 1) (2004)
17. The Slaughterhouse (Trax from the NPG Music Club: Volume 2) (2004)
18. 3121 (2006)
19. Planet Earth (2007)
20. Indigo Nights (2008)
21. LOtUSFLOW3R (2009)
22. MPLSoUND (2009)
23. 20Ten (2010)
 
24. Prince Anthology: 1995-2010
 
PRINCE ANTHOLOGY: 1995-2010
01. Emancipation (from Emancipation, 1996)
02. Black Sweat (from 3121, 2006)
03. P. Control (from The Gold Experience, 1995)
04. Crucial (from Crystal Ball, 1998)
05. The Love We Make (from Emancipation, 1996)
06. Eye Hate U (from The Gold Experience, 1995)
07. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold (from Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic, 1999)
08. Eye Love U, But Eye Don't Trust U (from Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic, 1999)
09. Gold (from The Gold Experience, 1995)
10. Guitar (from Planet Earth, 2007)
11. Dream Factory (from Crystal Ball, 1998)
12. The Work Part 1 (from The Rainbow Children, 2001)
13. Call My Name (from Musicology, 2004)
14. Strays of The World (from Crystal Ball, 1998)
15. Shhh (from The Gold Experience, 1995)
16. Dreamer (from LOtUSFLOW3R, 2009)
17. Chaos and Disorder (from Chaos and Disorder, 1996)
18. Endorphinmachine (from The Gold Experience, 1995)
19. Musicology (from Musicology, 2004)
20. Northside (from The Slaughterhouse, 2004)
21. When Eye Lay My Hands on U (from The Chocolate Invasion, 2004)
22. Beautiful Strange (from Rave In2 The Joy Fantastic, 2001)
23. Future Soul Song (from 20Ten, 2010)
24. Empty Room (from C-Note, 2004)
25. 3rd Eye (from The Truth, 1998)
26. U're Gonna C Me (from One Nite Alone..., 2002)
27. Dinner With Delores (from Chaos and Disorder, 1996)
28. Ol' Skool Company (from MPLSoUND, 2009)
29. 4ever (from LOtUSFLOW3R, 2009)
30. West (from N.E.W.S., 2003)
31. Xpedition (from Xpectation, 2003)
32. Muse 2 The Pharaoh (from The Rainbow Children, 2001)
33. Somewhere Here On Earth (from Planet Earth, 2007)
34. U Make My Sun Shine (from The Chocolate Invasion, 2004)
35. 1+1+1 Is 3 (from The Rainbow Children, 2001)
36. Chelsea Rodgers (from Planet Earth, 2007)
37. We March (from The Gold Experience, 1995)
 
Reply #51 posted 08/16/18 10:06pm

Strive

First wave?

What else do they have the rights to?
no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #52 posted 08/16/18 11:13pm

Strive

Jeez who wrote this album description? From Apple Music

During the 16 years this collection covers, Prince churned out near-classics, self-indulgent fan fodder, and no fewer than three triple albums. But by placing choice cuts from relatively obscure releases -- the fiery Hendrix-indebted MLK tribute "Dreamer" off 2009's sprawling Lotusflow3r, the straight-up funk workout "Northside" from the NPG Music Club entry The Slaughterhouse, "Muse 2 The Pharaoh" from the experimental The Rainbow Children -- alongside highlights from great, if under-celebrated, albums like The Gold Experience, 3121 and Planet Earth, Anthology feels revelatory. Prince may have fought hard for the freedom to create without restraint anad oversight he enjoyed during this period, but from a fan's perspective, this thoughtful culling of his output is a godsent.

no yesterday or tomorrow, no better remedy for sorrow
Reply #53 posted 08/16/18 11:37pm

BartVanHemelen

Strive said:

First wave? What else do they have the rights to?

.

How 'bout you try reading the sticky on the Sony deal, m'kay?

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This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties, and confers no rights.
It is not authorized by Prince or the NPG Music Club. You assume all risk for
your use. All rights reserved.
Reply #54 posted 08/16/18 11:55pm

trickster

YEAHHHH!

fantastic start in a new day - crystal ball alone ist great ... the Antholog is great

new cover for the truth

thanks


Reply #55 posted 08/17/18 12:18am

databank

I won't comment on the totally arbitrary, near absurd at times tracklist of the Anthology. It's as bad as any fanmade playlist if you ask me...

.

What I find worth noticing, though, is that:

- C-Note fails to be properly credited to The New Power Generation, as per its cover art (on the other hand, it was already the case on Tidal in P's lifetime, and anyway nowadays albums by Prince And The Revolution/NPG are also solely credited to Prince.)

- The Chocolate Invasion is, as on Tidal in P's lifetime, the previously unreleased, original configuration as opposed to the original 2004 release. I still have doubts as to whether this was intentional or a mistake made by some intern at PP who got the wrong tape in the vault when asked to gather all those albums for Tidal. I'd find it nice, though, if the original 2004 release was made available as well.

- There's a new artwork for The Truth, different from the one previously made available on Tidal. I'd like to know whether this was an alternate artwork considered by Prince or some Photoshop nonsense by the Estate. I'd rather have had the Tidal, Prince-approved cover art though.

.

Regardless, it's nice to see this music at long last made available for a new generation of listeners smile

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Reply #56 posted 08/17/18 12:18am

BlueShakooo

"Anthology" does not use the Gold Experience"-Version of "I Hate U".

It's the Maxi-Single version (without the "Hate Experience"-intro, but including the final chord).

Good!

[Edited 8/17/18 0:19am]

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Reply #57 posted 08/17/18 1:01am

Harps

So, Tidal now only has Newpowersoul, Exodus, HitnRun Phase 1&2, The Most Beautiful on TGE and some random single uploads like If I could get u’re attention, Free Urself etc... over the other streaming services?

The Black Album and Gold Nigga are unavailable on either.

As usual Tidal is a complete mess with duplicate albums, incorrect categories etc. Crystal Ball doesn’t appear in the albums section but like One Nite Alone....Solo is under Live albums whilst One Nite Alone...the Aftershow is under Albums not Live.

It’s never easy being a Prince fan biggrin
[Edited 8/17/18 1:02am]
Reply #58 posted 08/17/18 1:06am

amokeru

https://blog.thecurrent.org/2018/08/23-prince-albums-from-1995-2010-now-available-on-streaming-services/


Ironically, what may be Prince’s best-known track from this period is not part of the digital release: “The Most Beautiful Girl in the World” (from The Gold Experience) is at least temporarily on hold due to a pending legal tussle, in Europe, over the song’s authorship.

Reply #59 posted 08/17/18 1:24am

darkroman

I feel this isn't anything to be upset about nor excited about.

All Spotify have done is make a compilation to promote the catalogue editions.

I think the word 'anthology' is a little misplaced.

But it's nice to see Steve Parke involved in creating a nice new graphic.


lol

Reply #60 posted 08/17/18 1:51am

databank

I would have started with the singles and promos/promo videos for the anthology:

.

Eye hate U

Gold

P Control

Dolphin

Endorphinmachine

.

Dinner With Dolores

The Same December

I Like It There

.

Betcha By Golly, Wow!

The Holy River

Somebody's Somebody

Face Down

.

The Truth

.

The Greatest Romance Ever Sold

Baby Knows

Man'O'War

Hot Wit' U

.

U Make My Sun Shine

Supercute

Peace

The Daisy Chain

.

The Work Part 1

She Loves Me 4 Me

Last December

.

North

.

Musicology

Cinnamon Girl

Call My Name

.

Te Amo Corazon

Black Sweat

Fury

.

Guitar

Chelsea Rodgers

Future Baby Mama

The One U Wanna C

Somewhere Here On Earth

.

Crimson & Clover

.

Chocolate Box

Dance 4 Me

U're Gonna C Me

.

Not only those because some albums aren't represented, and not necessarily all of those either, but that would have been more respectful of how Prince felt his albums should be marketed.

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Reply #61 posted 08/17/18 2:18am

RODSERLING

Very Bad anthology !
The best asset of this deal, TMBGITW not available, TGE not available on I tunes...
.
TMBGITW was also deleted from youtube. Really too Bad.
.
Very Bad job, as usual, from the estate.
.
Good news is that Prince streaming numbers are gonna explose for his whole catalogue.
.
It would have been so much better commercially with TMBGITW...The anthology Will be able to chart.
.
I was positive about this Streaming deal, and thought that à greatest Hits would be the best Idea to highlight Prince ' job from this era.
.
But the tracklist is complètely WTF and not appealing at all for new listeners.
Reply #62 posted 08/17/18 3:17am

fabriziovenerandi

I think it is a good Antology. Not perfect, but good for casual people to discover this era.

I fear there are legal problems for TMBGITW.

Reply #63 posted 08/17/18 3:18am

databank

I wonder what the deal is with TMBGITW...

Original single release said (p) NPG Records.

TGE, with a slightly remixed version of it, said (p) Warner Bros.

Apparently, and I must admit I was wrong about that for many years, apologies to those I contradicted on that topic, TGE (as well, apparently, as C&D but, strangely, not TVOF4S?!), reverted to NPG Records at some point in the mid to late 90's, but... TMBGITW seems to be in limbo between WB and the Estate?

Could it be that the single version's rights were to revert to WB after some time, or that while WB allowed Prince to release it it was in fact, as with all material recorded during the WB years, something Prince couldn't rerelease without WB, with the (p) indicia being wrong? That could explain why TGE is now NPG while TMBGITW is WB?

I also wonder if WB is to maintain exclusivity on the 4 OST's until the end of time or only for a longer time than the rest.

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Reply #64 posted 08/17/18 3:22am

stesa

I thought HITNRUN Phase 1and 2 were also set to be released? ...
Reply #65 posted 08/17/18 3:33am

SkipperLove

No Gold Experience? One of his best albums is not listed?

MIRvmn said:

Anthology is now on Google play and all albums from 1995 - 2010 except TGE cool [Edited 8/16/18 17:55pm]

Reply #66 posted 08/17/18 3:38am

SkipperLove

I think the anthology list leaves out a lot of his better songs for some of his lesser ones. And I couldn't figure out the rhyme or reason for song inclusion. Its is also very very low on the Truth songs. But is its not too bad.

[Edited 8/17/18 3:40am]

Reply #67 posted 08/17/18 3:45am

KAB

databank said:

I would have started with the singles and promos/promo videos for the anthology:

.

Eye hate U

Gold

P Control

Dolphin

Endorphinmachine

.

Dinner With Dolores

The Same December

I Like It There

.

Betcha By Golly, Wow!

The Holy River

Somebody's Somebody

Face Down

.

The Truth

.

The Greatest Romance Ever Sold

Baby Knows

Man'O'War

Hot Wit' U

.

U Make My Sun Shine

Supercute

Peace

The Daisy Chain

.

The Work Part 1

She Loves Me 4 Me

Last December

.

North

.

Musicology

Cinnamon Girl

Call My Name

.

Te Amo Corazon

Black Sweat

Fury

.

Guitar

Chelsea Rodgers

Future Baby Mama

The One U Wanna C

Somewhere Here On Earth

.

Crimson & Clover

.

Chocolate Box

Dance 4 Me

U're Gonna C Me

.

Not only those because some albums aren't represented, and not necessarily all of those either, but that would have been more respectful of how Prince felt his albums should be marketed.

This is more like it. I'd change a few things but way better than this 'official compilation'

Reply #68 posted 08/17/18 3:55am

fabriziovenerandi

databank said:

I wonder what the deal is with TMBGITW...

I think it could be related to the italian plagiarism for "Takin' me to paradise".

Reply #69 posted 08/17/18 4:15am

Kares

Ridiculously bad compilation. And it's not neccessarily the song-choices (although I would question some of them) – it's the sequencing that is really bad. No flow to it at all. People often forget these days that part of an album mastering process traditionally is actually creating a sequence that flows, that is going from somewhere to somewhere. There should be a dramaturgy of some sort, there should be musical variety, taking into consideration not just the tempo but the key of songs too, the dynamic range should be set consistently etc, etc...
.
This is just a bag of tracks randomly thrown in with a remarkable lack of professionalism.

.

(A good example of a nicely sequenced anthology is Pink Floyd's 'Echoes', btw.)

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #70 posted 08/17/18 4:35am

databank

fabriziovenerandi said:

databank said:

I wonder what the deal is with TMBGITW...

I think it could be related to the italian plagiarism for "Takin' me to paradise".

I think the Italian court's ruling is only valid in Italy, at least that's what the Billboard article seemed to suggest at the time. IDK about the rest of the EU but I don't think it can possibly affect the whole world, including the US.

That would be insane if the song was banned worldwide just because of this, wouldn't it? eek

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Reply #71 posted 08/17/18 4:55am

jaawwnn

RODSERLING said:

Very Bad anthology ! The best asset of this deal, TMBGITW not available, TGE not available on I tunes... . TMBGITW was also deleted from youtube. Really too Bad. . Very Bad job, as usual, from the estate. . Good news is that Prince streaming numbers are gonna explose for his whole catalogue. . It would have been so much better commercially with TMBGITW...The anthology Will be able to chart. . I was positive about this Streaming deal, and thought that à greatest Hits would be the best Idea to highlight Prince ' job from this era. . But the tracklist is complètely WTF and not appealing at all for new listeners.

I don't necessarily disagree but have you always typed like Trump tweets or did I just never notice it before?


SkipperLove said:

No Gold Experience? One of his best albums is not listed?

MIRvmn said:

Anthology is now on Google play and all albums from 1995 - 2010 except TGE cool [Edited 8/16/18 17:55pm]

The Gold Experience is on Spotify and Apple Music and probably Google play if people look properly. It's there, it just missing TMBGITW.

[Edited 8/17/18 4:57am]

Reply #72 posted 08/17/18 5:47am

alandail

jaawwnn said:

RODSERLING said:

Very Bad anthology ! The best asset of this deal, TMBGITW not available, TGE not available on I tunes... . TMBGITW was also deleted from youtube. Really too Bad. . Very Bad job, as usual, from the estate. . Good news is that Prince streaming numbers are gonna explose for his whole catalogue. . It would have been so much better commercially with TMBGITW...The anthology Will be able to chart. . I was positive about this Streaming deal, and thought that à greatest Hits would be the best Idea to highlight Prince ' job from this era. . But the tracklist is complètely WTF and not appealing at all for new listeners.

I don't necessarily disagree but have you always typed like Trump tweets or did I just never notice it before?


The Gold Experience is on Spotify and Apple Music and probably Google play if people look properly. It's there, it just missing TMBGITW.

Why is it missing TMBGITW?

[Edited 8/17/18 5:57am]

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Reply #73 posted 08/17/18 5:48am

Doozer

stesa said:

I thought HITNRUN Phase 1and 2 were also set to be released? ...


HnR Phase 2 is on Apple Music, US.
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Reply #74 posted 08/17/18 5:56am

alandail

so what's missing now?

For studio albums, I don't see the Black Album

I also don't see Kamasutra, Newpower Soul, Exodus or Goldnigga.

And girl 6 soundtrack (which has 2 otherwise unlreased tracks) and many of the maxi singles are stilll missing.

As are many video releases.

And it's really strange that TMBGITW is missing on the Gold Experience.

This is looking on Apple Music and iTunes Movies for the videos.

But this is certainly a good step in the right direction.

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Reply #75 posted 08/17/18 5:58am

RODSERLING

databank said:

 



fabriziovenerandi said:


 



databank said:


I wonder what the deal is with TMBGITW...


 



 


I think it could be related to the italian plagiarism for "Takin' me to paradise".



I think the Italian court's ruling is only valid in Italy, at least that's what the Billboard article seemed to suggest at the time. IDK about the rest of the EU but I don't think it can possibly affect the whole world, including the US. 


That would be insane if the song was banned worldwide just because of this, wouldn't it? eek 



It has also been deleted from Prince official YouTube channel some months ago.
But Gold is still there.
.
I don t think it s About the plagiarism issue. You are not alone music video from MJ was never banned.
[Edited 8/17/18 6:00am]
Reply #76 posted 08/17/18 6:01am

alandail

the credits on iTunes say Released August 17, 2018

2018 NPG Records, Inc

Manufactured and Distributed by Leagacy Recordings

Also, Chaos and Disorder has the e mark for explicit, but P Control doesn't

falloff

[Edited 8/17/18 6:04am]

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Reply #77 posted 08/17/18 6:03am

RODSERLING

alandail said:

the credits on iTunes say Released August 17, 2018


2018 NPG Records, Inc


Manufactured and Distributed by Leagacy Recordings



Manufactured?
Strange term, for a digital only release !
Reply #78 posted 08/17/18 6:29am

skywalker

Hmm. I give this tracklist a B- There are some songs missing and some curious choices. We March? Also the Sequencing is horrible. That said, it's great that these albums are now accessible to all.

[Edited 8/17/18 6:30am]

"New Power slide...."
Reply #79 posted 08/17/18 6:35am

rogifan

I don’t see any of these albums on Apple Music or iTunes.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #80 posted 08/17/18 6:52am

Doozer

rogifan said:

I don’t see any of these albums on Apple Music or iTunes.


For Apple Music (US), I searched for Prince, scrolled down to Albums, and clicked “see all”. All the newly added albums and the anthology are there.
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Reply #81 posted 08/17/18 6:54am

PurpleMedley122

So after all this, the albums that still remain exclusive to TIDAL are:
The Hit n Run albums (also on Apple Music)
Newpower Soul
Exodus
1-800 New Funk
Girl 6
Karmasutra

Singles:
The War
Black Sweat (Live)
Little Red Corvette/Dirty Mind
When Will We B Paid?
Joy in Repetition (Live)
If Eye Could Get Ur Attention

Still missing from all streaming sites: The Black Album (was on TIDAL, but recently removed) and Goldnigga
[Edited 8/17/18 6:55am]
[Edited 8/17/18 7:09am]
Reply #82 posted 08/17/18 7:00am

rogifan

Doozer said:

rogifan said:

I don’t see any of these albums on Apple Music or iTunes.


For Apple Music (US), I searched for Prince, scrolled down to Albums, and clicked “see all”. All the newly added albums and the anthology are there.

I see them now. No idea what I was doing before.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #83 posted 08/17/18 7:02am

rogifan

PurpleMedley122 said:

So after all this, the albums that still remain exclusive to TIDAL are:
The Hit n Run albums (not sure about Apple Music tho)
Newpower Soul
Exodus
1-800 New Funk
Girl 6
Karmasutra

Singles:
Black Sweat (Live)
Little Red Corvette/Dirty Mind
When Will We B Paid?
Joy in Repetition (Live)
If Eye Could Get Ur Attention
Free Urself

Still missing from all streaming sites: The Black Album (was on TIDAL, but recently removed) and Goldnigga
[Edited 8/17/18 6:55am]

Hit n Run 1 and 2 plus Free Urself are available on Apple Music/iTunes. In fact they were on Apple Music before the WB albums.
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Reply #84 posted 08/17/18 7:02am

Ugot2shakesumthin

dustoff said:

Tracklist:


 


1. Emancipation


2. Black Sweat


3. P. Control


4. Crucial


5. The Love We Make


6. Eye Hate U


7. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold


8. Eye Love U, But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore


9. Gold


10. Guitar


11. Dream Factory


12. The Work Pt. 1


13. Call My Name


14. Strays of the World


15. Shhh


16. Dreamer


17. Chaos and Disorder


18. Endorphinmachine


19. Musicology


20. Northside


21. When Eye Lay My Hands on U


22. Beautiful Strange


23. Future Soul Song


24. Empty Room (Live)


25. 3rd Eye


26. U're Gonna C Me


27. Dinner with Delores


28. Ol' Skool Company


29. 4ever


30. West


31. Xpedition


32. Muse 2 the Pharaoh


33. Somewhere Here on Earth


34. U Make My Sun Shine


35. 1+1+1 is 3


36. Chelsea Rogers


37. We March



Not too bad at all. Someone was was able to distil the best post 95 tracks! It’s got Dreamer, Somewhere Here On Earth, Dinner With Dolores, Empty Room, Chaos And Disorder, Shh

Props, someone has great taste there at Spotify
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Reply #85 posted 08/17/18 7:05am

rnb

OperatingThetan said:

rnb said:

Why would they release this prior to the M&P 83 and the tidal releases in September? Are they trying to build a buzz or sabotage/upstage the September's release dates?




Long live Tidal!


I think it's just the result of the Sony deal for the 1995-2010 material and that those particular albums are available on all streaming services as of today (UK time). The new compilation is essentially an introductory playlist.

To my awareness, the Tidal exclusive album is due in 2019. I don't believe a move like this would upstage Tidal anyway as they already had most of the 1995-2010 albums long ago. I've just checked my Tidal and only a handful of albums, such as Crystal Ball and Emancipation have been added. It's really bigger news for Spotify and other streaming platforms that didn't have this music previously.


Ok-thanks for the information! That makes sense now because I see that they added back some of Prince's albums (musicology,3121, Crystal ball)that was previously removed from Tidal. So I guess it's a win win for every body.
Reply #86 posted 08/17/18 7:15am

Ugot2shakesumthin

databank said:

I would have started with the singles and promos/promo videos for the anthology:


.


Eye hate U


Gold


P Control


Dolphin


Endorphinmachine


.


Dinner With Dolores


The Same December


I Like It There


.


Betcha By Golly, Wow!


The Holy River


Somebody's Somebody


Face Down


.


The Truth


.


The Greatest Romance Ever Sold


Baby Knows


Man'O'War


Hot Wit' U


.


U Make My Sun Shine


Supercute


Peace


The Daisy Chain


.


The Work Part 1


She Loves Me 4 Me


Last December


.


North


.


Musicology


Cinnamon Girl


Call My Name


.


Te Amo Corazon


Black Sweat


Fury


.


Guitar


Chelsea Rodgers


Future Baby Mama


The One U Wanna C


Somewhere Here On Earth


.


Crimson & Clover


.


Chocolate Box


Dance 4 Me


U're Gonna C Me


.


Not only those because some albums aren't represented, and not necessarily all of those either, but that would have been more respectful of how Prince felt his albums should be marketed.




Oh wow I just noticed Te Amo Corazon wasn’t on there! Super cute would have been great too!
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Reply #87 posted 08/17/18 7:20am

rogifan

Still bugs me that Apple tags all of his music as R&B/Soul. neutral
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Reply #88 posted 08/17/18 7:22am

djThunderfunk

dustoff said:

Tracklist:

1. Emancipation

2. Black Sweat

3. P. Control

4. Crucial

5. The Love We Make

6. Eye Hate U

7. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold

8. Eye Love U, But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore

9. Gold

10. Guitar

11. Dream Factory

12. The Work Pt. 1

13. Call My Name

14. Strays of the World

15. Shhh

16. Dreamer

17. Chaos and Disorder

18. Endorphinmachine

19. Musicology

20. Northside

21. When Eye Lay My Hands on U

22. Beautiful Strange

23. Future Soul Song

24. Empty Room (Live)

25. 3rd Eye

26. U're Gonna C Me

27. Dinner with Delores

28. Ol' Skool Company

29. 4ever

30. West

31. Xpedition

32. Muse 2 the Pharaoh

33. Somewhere Here on Earth

34. U Make My Sun Shine

35. 1+1+1 is 3

36. Chelsea Rogers

37. We March


WTFuck is this?!? All I see is a random playlist, not a proper "anthology".

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #89 posted 08/17/18 7:22am

MIRvmn

jaawwnn said:

 



RODSERLING said:


Very Bad anthology ! The best asset of this deal, TMBGITW not available, TGE not available on I tunes... . TMBGITW was also deleted from youtube. Really too Bad. . Very Bad job, as usual, from the estate. . Good news is that Prince streaming numbers are gonna explose for his whole catalogue. . It would have been so much better commercially with TMBGITW...The anthology Will be able to chart. . I was positive about this Streaming deal, and thought that à greatest Hits would be the best Idea to highlight Prince ' job from this era. . But the tracklist is complètely WTF and not appealing at all for new listeners.

I don't necessarily disagree but have you always typed like Trump tweets or did I just never notice it before?



 



SkipperLove said:


No Gold Experience? One of his best albums is not listed? 



MIRvmn said:


Anthology is now on Google play and all albums from 1995 - 2010 except TGE cool [Edited 8/16/18 17:55pm]

 



 


The Gold Experience is on Spotify and Apple Music and probably Google play if people look properly. It's there, it just missing TMBGITW.

[Edited 8/17/18 4:57am]


Yes it's on Spotify but it's still not on Google play
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Reply #90 posted 08/17/18 7:27am

djThunderfunk

Militant said:

UPDATE : Steve Parke did the artwork biggrin


cool The cover is the best thing about this "anthology".

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #91 posted 08/17/18 7:28am

OperatingThetan

djThunderfunk said:

dustoff said:

Tracklist:

1. Emancipation

2. Black Sweat

3. P. Control

4. Crucial

5. The Love We Make

6. Eye Hate U

7. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold

8. Eye Love U, But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore

9. Gold

10. Guitar

11. Dream Factory

12. The Work Pt. 1

13. Call My Name

14. Strays of the World

15. Shhh

16. Dreamer

17. Chaos and Disorder

18. Endorphinmachine

19. Musicology

20. Northside

21. When Eye Lay My Hands on U

22. Beautiful Strange

23. Future Soul Song

24. Empty Room (Live)

25. 3rd Eye

26. U're Gonna C Me

27. Dinner with Delores

28. Ol' Skool Company

29. 4ever

30. West

31. Xpedition

32. Muse 2 the Pharaoh

33. Somewhere Here on Earth

34. U Make My Sun Shine

35. 1+1+1 is 3

36. Chelsea Rogers

37. We March


WTFuck is this?!? All I see is a random playlist, not a proper "anthology".

I'm interpreting it as a playlist to introduce casual fans and the curious to the 1995-2010 body of work that's just been added. I don't however, think it is considered enough to be manufactured as a physical release.

Reply #92 posted 08/17/18 7:29am

djThunderfunk

trickster said:

YEAHHHH!

fantastic start in a new day - crystal ball alone ist great ... the Antholog is great

new cover for the truth

thanks


New cover for The Truth? Anybody able to post?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #93 posted 08/17/18 7:40am

Doozer

djThunderfunk said:

trickster said:

YEAHHHH!

fantastic start in a new day - crystal ball alone ist great ... the Antholog is great

new cover for the truth

thanks


New cover for The Truth? Anybody able to post?



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Reply #94 posted 08/17/18 7:42am

Doozer

OperatingThetan said:

djThunderfunk said:


WTFuck is this?!? All I see is a random playlist, not a proper "anthology".

I'm interpreting it as a playlist to introduce casual fans and the curious to the 1995-2010 body of work that's just been added. I don't however, think it is considered enough to be manufactured as a physical release.



I'd agree…this isn't anything more special than what you could get by shuffling a folder of songs from this time period. But, for a casual listener, it's a bit of hand-holding through a 15-year period that might introduce someone to a "deep cut."

The artwork by Parke is stellar.

Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #95 posted 08/17/18 7:42am

Kares

PurpleMedley122 said:

So after all this, the albums that still remain exclusive to TIDAL are: The Hit n Run albums (also on Apple Music) Newpower Soul Exodus 1-800 New Funk Girl 6 Karmasutra Singles: The War Black Sweat (Live) Little Red Corvette/Dirty Mind When Will We B Paid? Joy in Repetition (Live) If Eye Could Get Ur Attention

Still missing from all streaming sites: The Black Album (was on TIDAL, but recently removed) and Goldnigga

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Also still missing are The Undertaker and the two officially released Madhouse albums, I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be considered as parts of his core catalog.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #96 posted 08/17/18 7:45am

jaawwnn

MIRvmn said:

jaawwnn said:

The Gold Experience is on Spotify and Apple Music and probably Google play if people look properly. It's there, it just missing TMBGITW.

[Edited 8/17/18 4:57am]

Yes it's on Spotify but it's still not on Google play

edit: Oh yeah, so it isn't, but the individual tracks are available on the anthology.



alandail said:

jaawwnn said:

I don't necessarily disagree but have you always typed like Trump tweets or did I just never notice it before?


The Gold Experience is on Spotify and Apple Music and probably Google play if people look properly. It's there, it just missing TMBGITW.

Why is it missing TMBGITW?

Why indeed. I don't know. My guess is it's either to do with that Italian court case or something to do with it being an independent release originally, maybe the song was licenced for release on the Gold Experience originally and so not part of the rights to the Gold Experience? Why are Newpower Soul and Exodus not released? And to a lesser extent Child of the Sun and Elixer? Clearly there's still years of rights stuff to get sorted.


[Edited 8/17/18 7:50am]

Reply #97 posted 08/17/18 7:51am

databank

djThunderfunk said:

trickster said:

YEAHHHH!

fantastic start in a new day - crystal ball alone ist great ... the Antholog is great

new cover for the truth

thanks


New cover for The Truth? Anybody able to post?

I'd like to know where that came from. An alternative cover art sanctionned by Prince or more nonsense by the estate? Maybe if someone is in touch with Steve Parke you could ask him (I'd assume he was behind this artwork?).

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Reply #98 posted 08/17/18 7:53am

TwiliteKid

Kares said:

PurpleMedley122 said:

So after all this, the albums that still remain exclusive to TIDAL are: The Hit n Run albums (also on Apple Music) Newpower Soul Exodus 1-800 New Funk Girl 6 Karmasutra Singles: The War Black Sweat (Live) Little Red Corvette/Dirty Mind When Will We B Paid? Joy in Repetition (Live) If Eye Could Get Ur Attention

Still missing from all streaming sites: The Black Album (was on TIDAL, but recently removed) and Goldnigga

.
Also still missing are The Undertaker and the two officially released Madhouse albums, I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be considered as parts of his core catalog.

The Undertaker was never released as an album, just the video.

The Madhouse albums weren't released under his name, hence they aren't part of his "core catalog".

Reply #99 posted 08/17/18 7:55am

TwiliteKid

databank said:

djThunderfunk said:

New cover for The Truth? Anybody able to post?

I'd like to know where that came from. An alternative cover art sanctionned by Prince or more nonsense by the estate? Maybe if someone is in touch with Steve Parke you could ask him (I'd assume he was behind this artwork?).

How is a vastly improved versoin of the art we've seen for years "nonsense"?

And does it really matter if Prince approved it at this point?

Reply #100 posted 08/17/18 7:57am

thisisreece

Great to see that the albums accessible on streaming services, but the anthology tracklist is a bit all over the place and neglects a lot of his best post-90s material. Still, it's something, though I'm not sure if I was a casual listener that it would encourage me to delve deeper into his post Warners music, especially starting off with Emancipation, closely followed by P. Control.

Hundalasiliah!
Reply #101 posted 08/17/18 7:58am

jaawwnn

Be great if they put up The Dawn 4.1, a) because it's a great listen and b) just to wind up databank.

Reply #102 posted 08/17/18 8:01am

Kares

TwiliteKid said:

Kares said:

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Also still missing are The Undertaker and the two officially released Madhouse albums, I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be considered as parts of his core catalog.

The Undertaker was never released as an album, just the video.

The Madhouse albums weren't released under his name, hence they aren't part of his "core catalog".

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The Undertaker was meant to be released by Prince himself, he was just blocked from doing so at the time, so I see no reason why it couldn't be released by the Estate now.

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The "NPG-albums" weren't released under his name either, neither was Kamasutra, so that logic isn't working either. Regardless of the official artist credit, these are all Prince-albums.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #103 posted 08/17/18 8:05am

jaawwnn

Kares said:

TwiliteKid said:

The Undertaker was never released as an album, just the video.

The Madhouse albums weren't released under his name, hence they aren't part of his "core catalog".

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The Undertaker was meant to be released by Prince himself, he was just blocked from doing so at the time, so I see no reason why it couldn't be released by the Estate now.

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The "NPG-albums" weren't released under his name either, neither was Kamasutra, so that logic isn't working either. Regardless of the official artist credit, these are all Prince-albums.

The Undertaker was not released therefore it's not part of a re-release of his released catalogue. His intentions 25 years ago are neither here nor there.

The two NPG albums aren't on streaming yet and neither is Kamasutra .

I do agree that they all should be released though.

[Edited 8/17/18 8:08am]

Reply #104 posted 08/17/18 8:06am

Kares

jaawwnn said:

Kares said:

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The Undertaker was meant to be released by Prince himself, he was just blocked from doing so at the time, so I see no reason why it couldn't be released by the Estate now.

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The "NPG-albums" weren't released under his name either, neither was Kamasutra, so that logic isn't working either. Regardless of the official artist credit, these are all Prince-albums.

The Undertaker was not released therefore it's not part of a re-release of his released catalogue. His intentions 25 years ago are neither here nor there.

The two NPG albums aren't on streaming yet and neither is Kamasutra.

I do agree that they all should be released though.

.

There were 3 NPG albums and 2 of them as well as Kamasutra are on Tidal.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #105 posted 08/17/18 8:07am

jaawwnn

Kares said:

jaawwnn said:

The Undertaker was not released therefore it's not part of a re-release of his released catalogue. His intentions 25 years ago are neither here nor there.

The two NPG albums aren't on streaming yet and neither is Kamasutra.

I do agree that they all should be released though.

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There were 3 NPG albums and 2 of them as well as Kamasutra are on Tidal.

Yah, Tidal isn't anything to do with this release, this is about a streaming service that people actually use. Or to put it another way, Tidal had their own deals with Prince when he was alive.

Reply #106 posted 08/17/18 8:08am

TwiliteKid

Kares said:

jaawwnn said:

The Undertaker was not released therefore it's not part of a re-release of his released catalogue. His intentions 25 years ago are neither here nor there.

The two NPG albums aren't on streaming yet and neither is Kamasutra.

I do agree that they all should be released though.

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There were 3 NPG albums and 2 of them as well as Kamasutra are on Tidal.

And all three were added on Tidal under the name's Prince choose to use for their release. They may well end up on other services now that Sony is in charge - but they are clearly (and wisely) focussing on the stuff that is name is on to start.

[Edited 8/17/18 8:09am]

[Edited 8/17/18 8:11am]

Reply #107 posted 08/17/18 8:12am

Kares

jaawwnn said:

Kares said:

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There were 3 NPG albums and 2 of them as well as Kamasutra are on Tidal.

Yah, Tidal isn't anything to do with this release, this is about a streaming service that people actually use. Or to put it another way, Tidal had their own deals with Prince when he was alive.

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...I'm aware Tidal doesn't have anything to do with this release, but thank you...
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However, originally I was responding to this post:

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Kares said:

PurpleMedley122 said:

So after all this, the albums that still remain exclusive to TIDAL are: The Hit n Run albums (also on Apple Music) Newpower Soul Exodus 1-800 New Funk Girl 6 Karmasutra Singles: The War Black Sweat (Live) Little Red Corvette/Dirty Mind When Will We B Paid? Joy in Repetition (Live) If Eye Could Get Ur Attention

Still missing from all streaming sites: The Black Album (was on TIDAL, but recently removed) and Goldnigga

.
Also still missing are The Undertaker and the two officially released Madhouse albums, I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be considered as parts of his core catalog.

.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #108 posted 08/17/18 8:15am

lastdecember

Silvertongue7 said:

Strange that they haven’t included at least the Gold Experience versión of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World. Cool track list though.


There is a legal battle over the song.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #109 posted 08/17/18 8:16am

lastdecember

rnb said:

Why would they release this prior to the M&P 83 and the tidal releases in September? Are they trying to build a buzz or sabotage/upstage the September's release dates?




Long live Tidal!


It’s only streaming there are not going to be purchases.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #110 posted 08/17/18 8:18am

jaawwnn

Kares said:

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Also still missing are The Undertaker and the two officially released Madhouse albums, I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be considered as parts of his core catalog.

.

Edit: oh I getcha now, I was a bit slow there. I think the releases on Tidal were about as consistent as Prince was about these things. I'd imagine it was just Josh or someone sending files over to Tidal without anyone checking their release history.

[Edited 8/17/18 8:32am]

Reply #111 posted 08/17/18 8:20am

ChocolateBox3121

I'm glad they included the underated MaStErPiece....

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #112 posted 08/17/18 8:34am

TKO

Where are Hit N Run Phase 1 and 2???????

Phase 2 is my favorite album from the 00s and 10s mad

Reply #113 posted 08/17/18 8:35am

Kares

lastdecember said:

Silvertongue7 said:
Strange that they haven’t included at least the Gold Experience versión of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World. Cool track list though.
There is a legal battle over the song.

.

And the Italian composers claim they've taken action immediately upon hearing Prince's song, so that must've been early 1994, I wonder if their claim was the real reason behind the delay in releasing The Gold Experience, as Prince was publicly blaiming WB for not releasing the album.
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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #114 posted 08/17/18 8:39am

lastdecember

jaawwnn said:

 



Kares said:



 


 


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Also still missing are The Undertaker and the two officially released Madhouse albums, I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be considered as parts of his core catalog.



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Edit: oh I getcha now, I was a bit slow there. I think the releases on Tidal were about as consistent as Prince was about these things. I'd imagine it was just Josh or someone sending files over to Tidal without anyone checking their release history.


[Edited 8/17/18 8:32am]



There is still a lot of legality that exists that was there prior to his death. The mentioned albums were all out of print, Jill Vanity and Apollonia. As for the undertaker Prince does a cover on there and good luck with rights and paying those out too. We have to realize that a lot of this stuff will never see the light of day because of Princes involvement with his protege albums they cannot be released through another label, say like with all those RB re issues that get out out with 12” mixes, to me that would be perfect for all the protege stuff, problem is Prince wrote played and did everything on these records so there in lies the problem then and now.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #115 posted 08/17/18 8:39am

partyup77

Despite this weird ass Anthology tracklist, I'm enjoying listening to it IMMENSELY!

Reply #116 posted 08/17/18 8:39am

stesa

Jup, I like Anthology. Ofcourse, we could have picked other songs, in a better sequence, ladila, but for newcomers this is an eye opener.

hmph!

Reply #117 posted 08/17/18 8:40am

Doozer

TKO said:

Where are Hit N Run Phase 1 and 2???????

Phase 2 is my favorite album from the 00s and 10s mad


Phase 2 is on Apple Music.

Phase 1 & 2 are on Tidal.

Not sure about other services.

Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #118 posted 08/17/18 8:41am

lastdecember

TKO said:

Where are Hit N Run Phase 1 and 2?????  


 


Phase 2 is my favorite album from the 00s and 10s   mad



It’s not on the anthology since it cuts off 2010 , but both albums have been up for sale and streaming since day one on Apple and others

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #119 posted 08/17/18 8:42am

Doozer

Listening to Anthology out of curiosity…

The end of The Work Pt. 1 includes what I'd consider the segue into or the beginning of "Everywhere" with the slowed-down-voice narration. Should've ended the song before that…really weird flow into "Call My Name" with that segue present.

I understand that the way TRC is tracked, that spoken word portion is in fact part of the end of The Work Pt. 1, but on the album, the flow is fine. As a single track on Anthology, it should've been handled differently IMHO.

Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #120 posted 08/17/18 8:43am

lastdecember

partyup77 said:

Despite this weird ass Anthology tracklist, I'm enjoying listening to it IMMENSELY!



The anthology is an interesting thing could hook in some new people but the fact that it’s there is the thing. Interesting list of course we all have our changes, but still interesting.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #121 posted 08/17/18 8:43am

Doozer

lastdecember said:

TKO said:

Where are Hit N Run Phase 1 and 2???????

Phase 2 is my favorite album from the 00s and 10s mad

It’s not on the anthology since it cuts off 2010 , but both albums have been up for sale and streaming since day one on Apple and others


I have never seen Phase 1 on Apple Music, only Phase 2.

Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #122 posted 08/17/18 8:44am

lastdecember

Kares said:

 



lastdecember said:


Silvertongue7 said:
Strange that they haven’t included at least the Gold Experience versión of The Most Beautiful Girl In The World. Cool track list though.

There is a legal battle over the song.

.


And the Italian composers claim they've taken action immediately upon hearing Prince's song, so that must've been early 1994, I wonder if their claim was the real reason behind the delay in releasing The Gold Experience, as Prince was publicly blaiming WB for not releasing the album.



The article I saw didn’t mention the cause just said a legal battle is holding up the song.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #123 posted 08/17/18 8:47am

lastdecember

Doozer said:

Listening to Anthology out of curiosity…

The end of The Work Pt. 1 includes what I'd consider the segue into or the beginning of "Everywhere" with the slowed-down-voice narration. Should've ended the song before that…really weird flow into "Call My Name" with that segue present.

I understand that the way TRC is tracked, that spoken word portion is in fact part of the end of The Work Pt. 1, but on the album, the flow is fine. As a single track on Anthology, it should've been handled differently IMHO. 



I would have never put anything from NEWS or expectation not because I don’t like it but it just kills the flow of him vocally. I would have tossed in 3121, joy and repetition live, planet earth easily.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #124 posted 08/17/18 8:48am

lastdecember

Doozer said:

 



lastdecember said:


TKO said:

Where are Hit N Run Phase 1 and 2?????  


 


Phase 2 is my favorite album from the 00s and 10s   mad



It’s not on the anthology since it cuts off 2010 , but both albums have been up for sale and streaming since day one on Apple and others


I have never seen Phase 1 on Apple Music, only Phase 2.



Correct

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #125 posted 08/17/18 8:48am

timmie


TKO said:


Where are Hit N Run Phase 1 and 2?????  


 


Phase 2 is my favorite album from the 00s and 10s   mad







I think Sony gets those in a couple of years as part of the deal.

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/sony-music-entertainmentlegacy-recordings-sign-exclusive-distribution-deal-with-prince-estate-covering-35-essential-catalog-titles-from-1978-2015-300672798.html

" Additional album titles from the 2014-2015 era will also be distributed with worldwide rights under the deal in the future."
[Edited 8/17/18 8:56am]

Reply #126 posted 08/17/18 8:55am

Silvertongue7

stesa said:

Jup, I like Anthology. Ofcourse, we could have picked other songs, in a better sequence, ladila, but for newcomers this is an eye opener.


 


hmph!


I agree. I’m sure that we can all come up with our own tracklist that we would consider better, and that there are some bizarre choices, but it’s a cool compitaltion. The sequence that starts with Strays Of the World and goes to Endorphinmachine is brutal. I don’t know if it will bring many more fans onboard, but it is a good introduction to Prince’s later catalogue.
Reply #127 posted 08/17/18 8:55am

luvsexy4all

this should get dumbasses to see all the good stuff from those years

Reply #128 posted 08/17/18 8:58am

Kares

lastdecember said:

Kares said:

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And the Italian composers claim they've taken action immediately upon hearing Prince's song, so that must've been early 1994, I wonder if their claim was the real reason behind the delay in releasing The Gold Experience, as Prince was publicly blaiming WB for not releasing the album.
.

The article I saw didn’t mention the cause just said a legal battle is holding up the song.

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I was reading an older article about the plagiarism claim that mentioned the Italian composers took action immediately in 1994. And I was referring to the delay in releasing The Gold Experience before it came out eventually in late 1995.
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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #129 posted 08/17/18 9:12am

TKO

lastdecember said:

TKO said:

Where are Hit N Run Phase 1 and 2???????

Phase 2 is my favorite album from the 00s and 10s mad

It’s not on the anthology since it cuts off 2010 , but both albums have been up for sale and streaming since day one on Apple and others

Apple Music is not available in my country. I HATE Tidal. I got Spotify Premium.

I own the album physical copies. But i wanted HNR P2 on Spotify since it's one of my favorite albums by P. mad

Reply #130 posted 08/17/18 9:32am

luvsexy4all

any word on physical CDs ?

Reply #131 posted 08/17/18 9:35am

lastdecember

I’m not sure that is on the way, the anthology is the only thing for sale now on Apple outside of what was there all the albums are for streaming. Not sure if the deal allows physical CDs releases

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #132 posted 08/17/18 9:43am

Silvertongue7

lastdecember said:

I’m not sure that is on the way, the anthology is the only thing for sale now on Apple outside of what was there all the albums are for streaming. Not sure if the deal allows physical CDs releases

I think all the albums are for sale, other than The Gold Experience.
[Edited 8/17/18 9:58am]
Reply #133 posted 08/17/18 9:51am

TwiliteKid

lastdecember said:

I’m not sure that is on the way, the anthology is the only thing for sale now on Apple outside of what was there all the albums are for streaming. Not sure if the deal allows physical CDs releases

They're certainly ALLOWED to release CDs, but that doesn't mean they will bother for the older titles. Steaming is the future, folks.

Reply #134 posted 08/17/18 9:54am

purplethunder3121

What's streaming... razz

"If you're living, you've got nothing left to prove..."
Reply #135 posted 08/17/18 9:55am

SuperFurryAnimal

Thankful for the convenience of having everything 95+ on Spotify. If they distribute all these on cd, vinyl remastered and release on hdtracks they may as well take one of my paychecks. lol Anthology is difficult rather playlist, best Prince ballads and another of Funk. Make own.

Trump turns from 'humbling' grief to midterm fire and furry
Reply #136 posted 08/17/18 10:10am

ChocolateBox3121

Kares said:

lastdecember said:

Kares said: The article I saw didn’t mention the cause just said a legal battle is holding up the song.

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I was reading an older article about the plagiarism claim that mentioned the Italian composers took action immediately in 1994. And I was referring to the delay in releasing The Gold Experience before it came out eventually in late 1995.
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Prince Rebuffed In Italian Plagiarism Case

An Italian court has ruled that Prince's 1994 hit "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World" was plagiarized from a song by two Italian writers. However, it could take several years for a definitive ruling in the case, which has already dragged on since the 1990s.

According to a sentence handed down by the Court of Appeal in Rome, the song borrowed heavily from "Takin' Me to Paradise," written by Bruno Bergonzi and Michele Vicino.

Under the ruling, Prince must stop distributing the song on Italian territory. He also faces having to pay the royalties he has so far accumulated to Bergonzi and Vicino and their publishers, but only if a final hearing confirms the Italian songwriting duo was plagiarized.

this case has been dragging on for 15 years and it isn't over yet, such is the slowness of the Italian legal system. We only decided to go public with our story now."

The ruling is in fact an appeal against the original sentence, which, in 2003, rejected Bergonzi and Vicino's claim. This latest ruling was actually made in December 2007 and registered on Feb. 11 last year, but Bergonzi and Vicino have only now spoken out.

For a sentence to become definitive in Italy, a "third degree" ruling is necessary and this could take several more years.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/269635/prince-rebuffed-in-italian-plagiarism-case

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #137 posted 08/17/18 10:17am

Kares

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Kares said:

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I was reading an older article about the plagiarism claim that mentioned the Italian composers took action immediately in 1994. And I was referring to the delay in releasing The Gold Experience before it came out eventually in late 1995.
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Prince Rebuffed In Italian Plagiarism Case

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/269635/prince-rebuffed-in-italian-plagiarism-case

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And you're quoting me this article because?... smile

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Seriously, I know my English isn't perfect but why is it so hard to understand from my post that I'm talking about the initial delay in releasing TGE back in 1994-95, not about the current deal and digital releases? smile
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I was merely speculating that the Italian case could've been the real reason behind the delay in releasing TGE before late 1995, while Prince was publicly blaming WB instead and asking fans to petition WB to "free the Gold Experience".

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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #138 posted 08/17/18 10:19am

lastdecember

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



Kares said:


 



lastdecember said:


Kares said: The article I saw didn’t mention the cause just said a legal battle is holding up the song.

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I was reading an older article about the plagiarism claim that mentioned the Italian composers took action immediately in 1994. And I was referring to the delay in releasing The Gold Experience before it came out eventually in late 1995.



 


Prince Rebuffed In Italian Plagiarism Case


 


 


 


 


An Italian court has ruled that Prince's 1994 hit "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World" was plagiarized from a song by two Italian writers. However, it could take several years for a definitive ruling in the case, which has already dragged on since the 1990s.

According to a sentence handed down by the Court of Appeal in Rome, the song borrowed heavily from "Takin' Me to Paradise," written by Bruno Bergonzi and Michele Vicino.

Under the ruling, Prince must stop distributing the song on Italian territory. He also faces having to pay the royalties he has so far accumulated to Bergonzi and Vicino and their publishers, but only if a final hearing confirms the Italian songwriting duo was plagiarized.


 


this case has been dragging on for 15 years and it isn't over yet, such is the slowness of the Italian legal system. We only decided to go public with our story now."

The ruling is in fact an appeal against the original sentence, which, in 2003, rejected Bergonzi and Vicino's claim. This latest ruling was actually made in December 2007 and registered on Feb. 11 last year, but Bergonzi and Vicino have only now spoken out.

For a sentence to become definitive in Italy, a "third degree" ruling is necessary and this could take several more years. 


 


 


https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/269635/prince-rebuffed-in-italian-plagiarism-case



Listened to the track there is nothing there at all that sounds like it, but most of these cases are ridiculous anyway, some deaf judges and listeners in Italy apparently

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #139 posted 08/17/18 10:22am

lastdecember

TwiliteKid said:

 



lastdecember said:


I’m not sure that is on the way, the anthology is the only thing for sale now on Apple outside of what was there all the albums are for streaming. Not sure if the deal allows physical CDs releases

 


They're certainly ALLOWED to release CDs, but that doesn't mean they will bother for the older titles. Steaming is the future, folks. 



With any reissue is only a fan thing you really are not going to get new fans. Purple rain sold 25 million, the reissue worldwide sold less than a million, so that’s actually telling on how people buy reissues and who buys them regardless of streaming services now, fans will stream it but no new people are gonna

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #140 posted 08/17/18 10:25am

Kares

lastdecember said:


Listened to the track there is nothing there at all that sounds like it, but most of these cases are ridiculous anyway, some deaf judges and listeners in Italy apparently

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Don't know who's deaf but the melody of the chorus is actually the same in both songs. I'm not saying it's definitely stolen, as it's a very simple 4-note melody that two people can come up with by accident, but it's the same melody in both songs so the Italians actually do have a strong case.

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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #141 posted 08/17/18 10:39am

ChocolateBox3121

lastdecember said:

TwiliteKid said:

They're certainly ALLOWED to release CDs, but that doesn't mean they will bother for the older titles. Steaming is the future, folks.

With any reissue is only a fan thing you really are not going to get new fans. Purple rain sold 25 million, the reissue worldwide sold less than a million, so that’s actually telling on how people buy reissues and who buys them regardless of streaming services now, fans will stream it but no new people are gonna

rolleyes

Speak for yourself...

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #142 posted 08/17/18 10:46am

Kares

TwiliteKid said:

lastdecember said:

I’m not sure that is on the way, the anthology is the only thing for sale now on Apple outside of what was there all the albums are for streaming. Not sure if the deal allows physical CDs releases

They're certainly ALLOWED to release CDs, but that doesn't mean they will bother for the older titles. Steaming is the future, folks.

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Streaming in its current form is a dead-end, it is big right now but its business modell is unsustainable and it will be history sooner than you think.

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[Edited 8/17/18 10:49am]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #143 posted 08/17/18 11:06am

lastdecember

Kares said:

 



TwiliteKid said:


 



lastdecember said:


I’m not sure that is on the way, the anthology is the only thing for sale now on Apple outside of what was there all the albums are for streaming. Not sure if the deal allows physical CDs releases

 


They're certainly ALLOWED to release CDs, but that doesn't mean they will bother for the older titles. Steaming is the future, folks. 



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Streaming in its current form is a dead-end, it is big right now but its business modell is unsustainable and it will be history sooner than you think.


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[Edited 8/17/18 10:49am]


Exactly it's a dead business model that artists are trying to get more money out if because they get pennies when this is sorted out prices for services will go up more, streaming is basically a vendor that sells nothing but a service, designed to fail.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #144 posted 08/17/18 11:45am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

https://www.youtube.com/w...J_ANfb3WyE

Here is the Italian song.

[Edited 8/17/18 11:45am]

Reply #145 posted 08/17/18 11:49am

djThunderfunk

Doozer said:

djThunderfunk said:

New cover for The Truth? Anybody able to post?




Thanks, Doozer!

Is this new? I could swear I've seen this cover before.


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #146 posted 08/17/18 12:11pm

IstenSzek

djThunderfunk said:

Doozer said:




Thanks, Doozer!

Is this new? I could swear I've seen this cover before.



the previous one is a bit more of a close up (same picture) and the colours are more pink/reddish.
also the prince is in the left bottom corner in the previous one. but they are very similar. i think i'm
liking this one more since the picture is beter resolution and the colours are a bit more real.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #147 posted 08/17/18 12:15pm

djThunderfunk

IstenSzek said:

djThunderfunk said:


Thanks, Doozer!

Is this new? I could swear I've seen this cover before.



the previous one is a bit more of a close up (same picture) and the colours are more pink/reddish.
also the prince is in the left bottom corner in the previous one. but they are very similar. i think i'm
liking this one more since the picture is beter resolution and the colours are a bit more real.


Ahh... Thanks!

I didn't look at the other, just going by my faulty memory. lol

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #148 posted 08/17/18 12:44pm

fabriziovenerandi

The Antology does not have nothing from "The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale" too.

Reply #149 posted 08/17/18 12:53pm

Kares

fabriziovenerandi said:

The Antology does not have nothing from "The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale" too.

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That's on Warner and was already up on the streaming services.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #150 posted 08/17/18 12:58pm

fabriziovenerandi

Kares said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

The Antology does not have nothing from "The Vault... Old Friends 4 Sale" too.

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That's on Warner and was already up on the streaming services.

Well, TGE and Chaos and Disorder are WB too.

Reply #151 posted 08/17/18 1:51pm

rogifan

OK, who approved this wording on iTunes? I thought these artists ‘about’ like pages were supposed to be fact based not full of personal opinions. mad

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/anthology-1995-2010/1421530791

Few artists have created a body of work as rich and varied as Prince. During the '80s, he emerged as one of the most singular talents of the rock & roll era, capable of seamlessly tying together pop, funk, folk, and rock. Not only did he release a series of groundbreaking albums; he toured frequently, produced albums, wrote songs for many other artists, and recorded hundreds of songs that still lie unreleased in his vaults. With each album he released, Prince showed remarkable stylistic growth and musical diversity, constantly experimenting with different sounds, textures, and genres. Occasionally, his music was inconsistent, in part because of his eclecticism, but his experiments frequently succeeded; no other contemporary artist blended so many diverse styles into a cohesive whole.

Prince's first two albums were solid, if unremarkable, late-'70s funk-pop. With 1980's Dirty Mind, he recorded his first masterpiece, a one-man tour de force of sex and music; it was hard funk, catchy Beatlesque melodies, sweet soul ballads, and rocking guitar pop, all at once. The follow-up, Controversy, was more of the same, but 1999 was brilliant. The album was a monster hit, selling over three million copies, but it was nothing compared to 1984's Purple Rain.

Purple Rain made Prince a superstar; it eventually sold over ten million copies in the U.S. and spent 24 weeks at number one. Partially recorded with his touring band, the Revolution, the record featured the most pop-oriented music he has ever made. Instead of continuing in this accessible direction, he veered off into the bizarre psycho-psychedelia of Around the World in a Day, which nevertheless sold over two million copies. In 1986, he released the even stranger Parade, which was in its own way as ambitious and intricate as any art rock of the '60s; however, no art rock was ever grounded with a hit as brilliant as the spare funk of "Kiss."

By 1987, Prince's ambitions were growing by leaps and bounds, resulting in the sprawling masterpiece Sign 'O' the Times. Prince was set to release the hard funk of The Black Album by the end of the year, but he withdrew it just before its release, deciding it was too dark and immoral. Instead, he released the confused Lovesexy in 1988, which was a commercial disaster. With the soundtrack to 1989's Batman he returned to the top of the charts, even if the album was essentially a recap of everything he had done before. The following year he released Graffiti Bridge (the sequel to Purple Rain), which turned out to be a considerable commercial disappointment.
[Edited 8/17/18 13:51pm]
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #152 posted 08/17/18 1:57pm

PurpleSkipper58

And Apple STILL don’t have his GREATEST ALBUM...his masterpiece: HitNrun Phase One
Smh
[Edited 8/17/18 13:57pm]
”The people that will end up defining ‘Hate Speech Laws’ are the very people you don’t want to define the Hate Speech Laws” — Jordan B Peterson
Reply #153 posted 08/17/18 1:59pm

jaawwnn

rogifan said:

OK, who approved this wording on iTunes? I thought these artists ‘about’ like pages were supposed to be fact based not full of personal opinions. mad

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/anthology-1995-2010/1421530791

Few artists have created a body of work as rich and varied as Prince. During the '80s, he emerged as one of the most singular talents of the rock & roll era, capable of seamlessly tying together pop, funk, folk, and rock. Not only did he release a series of groundbreaking albums; he toured frequently, produced albums, wrote songs for many other artists, and recorded hundreds of songs that still lie unreleased in his vaults. With each album he released, Prince showed remarkable stylistic growth and musical diversity, constantly experimenting with different sounds, textures, and genres. Occasionally, his music was inconsistent, in part because of his eclecticism, but his experiments frequently succeeded; no other contemporary artist blended so many diverse styles into a cohesive whole.

Prince's first two albums were solid, if unremarkable, late-'70s funk-pop. With 1980's Dirty Mind, he recorded his first masterpiece, a one-man tour de force of sex and music; it was hard funk, catchy Beatlesque melodies, sweet soul ballads, and rocking guitar pop, all at once. The follow-up, Controversy, was more of the same, but 1999 was brilliant. The album was a monster hit, selling over three million copies, but it was nothing compared to 1984's Purple Rain.

Purple Rain made Prince a superstar; it eventually sold over ten million copies in the U.S. and spent 24 weeks at number one. Partially recorded with his touring band, the Revolution, the record featured the most pop-oriented music he has ever made. Instead of continuing in this accessible direction, he veered off into the bizarre psycho-psychedelia of Around the World in a Day, which nevertheless sold over two million copies. In 1986, he released the even stranger Parade, which was in its own way as ambitious and intricate as any art rock of the '60s; however, no art rock was ever grounded with a hit as brilliant as the spare funk of "Kiss."

By 1987, Prince's ambitions were growing by leaps and bounds, resulting in the sprawling masterpiece Sign 'O' the Times. Prince was set to release the hard funk of The Black Album by the end of the year, but he withdrew it just before its release, deciding it was too dark and immoral. Instead, he released the confused Lovesexy in 1988, which was a commercial disaster. With the soundtrack to 1989's Batman he returned to the top of the charts, even if the album was essentially a recap of everything he had done before. The following year he released Graffiti Bridge (the sequel to Purple Rain), which turned out to be a considerable commercial disappointment.
[Edited 8/17/18 13:51pm]

That comes from the allmusic.com biography, a lot of streaming sites use that in lieu of writing their own.
Reply #154 posted 08/17/18 2:02pm

kirkc

Am I missing something? I thought the albums were available for download not just the Anthology collection?

"C U in the purple rain"

Reply #155 posted 08/17/18 2:11pm

rogifan

PurpleSkipper58 said:

And Apple STILL don’t have his GREATEST ALBUM...his masterpiece: HitNrun Phase One
Smh
[Edited 8/17/18 13:57pm]

Um it’s there: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/hitnrun-phase-one/1038360262
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #156 posted 08/17/18 2:13pm

rogifan

jaawwnn said:

rogifan said:

OK, who approved this wording on iTunes? I thought these artists ‘about’ like pages were supposed to be fact based not full of personal opinions. mad

https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/anthology-1995-2010/1421530791

Few artists have created a body of work as rich and varied as Prince. During the '80s, he emerged as one of the most singular talents of the rock & roll era, capable of seamlessly tying together pop, funk, folk, and rock. Not only did he release a series of groundbreaking albums; he toured frequently, produced albums, wrote songs for many other artists, and recorded hundreds of songs that still lie unreleased in his vaults. With each album he released, Prince showed remarkable stylistic growth and musical diversity, constantly experimenting with different sounds, textures, and genres. Occasionally, his music was inconsistent, in part because of his eclecticism, but his experiments frequently succeeded; no other contemporary artist blended so many diverse styles into a cohesive whole.

Prince's first two albums were solid, if unremarkable, late-'70s funk-pop. With 1980's Dirty Mind, he recorded his first masterpiece, a one-man tour de force of sex and music; it was hard funk, catchy Beatlesque melodies, sweet soul ballads, and rocking guitar pop, all at once. The follow-up, Controversy, was more of the same, but 1999 was brilliant. The album was a monster hit, selling over three million copies, but it was nothing compared to 1984's Purple Rain.

Purple Rain made Prince a superstar; it eventually sold over ten million copies in the U.S. and spent 24 weeks at number one. Partially recorded with his touring band, the Revolution, the record featured the most pop-oriented music he has ever made. Instead of continuing in this accessible direction, he veered off into the bizarre psycho-psychedelia of Around the World in a Day, which nevertheless sold over two million copies. In 1986, he released the even stranger Parade, which was in its own way as ambitious and intricate as any art rock of the '60s; however, no art rock was ever grounded with a hit as brilliant as the spare funk of "Kiss."

By 1987, Prince's ambitions were growing by leaps and bounds, resulting in the sprawling masterpiece Sign 'O' the Times. Prince was set to release the hard funk of The Black Album by the end of the year, but he withdrew it just before its release, deciding it was too dark and immoral. Instead, he released the confused Lovesexy in 1988, which was a commercial disaster. With the soundtrack to 1989's Batman he returned to the top of the charts, even if the album was essentially a recap of everything he had done before. The following year he released Graffiti Bridge (the sequel to Purple Rain), which turned out to be a considerable commercial disappointment.
[Edited 8/17/18 13:51pm]

That comes from the allmusic.com biography, a lot of streaming sites use that in lieu of writing their own.

Ah ok. I didn’t know allmusic.com biographies included editorializing.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #157 posted 08/17/18 2:26pm

ItsTimeSome1ProgrammedU

I switch from Tidal to Spotify and this happens... I'll definitely not regret my decision now confused

Reply #158 posted 08/17/18 2:30pm

rogifan

OK this showed up in my Twitter feed. Not sure what I think about it. At least they’re using the Twitter feature where an account can promote a tweet but you never actually see it on their twitter page as something they’ve tweeted. So when you go to @prince this ‘ad’ doesn’t show up. The last tweet you see is the last thing he tweeted.

2lnigs7.jpg
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #159 posted 08/17/18 2:47pm

databank

TwiliteKid said:

databank said:

I'd like to know where that came from. An alternative cover art sanctionned by Prince or more nonsense by the estate? Maybe if someone is in touch with Steve Parke you could ask him (I'd assume he was behind this artwork?).

How is a vastly improved versoin of the art we've seen for years "nonsense"?

And does it really matter if Prince approved it at this point?

For years? It's been what? 3 years?

But yeah well we can maybe have better covers for most Prince albums by hiring contemporary artists, can't we? I'm sure someone can come up with a much better cover art for 1999.

Now is that the point?

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #160 posted 08/17/18 2:48pm

Doozer

rogifan said:

PurpleSkipper58 said:
And Apple STILL don’t have his GREATEST ALBUM...his masterpiece: HitNrun Phase One Smh [Edited 8/17/18 13:57pm]
Um it’s there: https://itunes.apple.com/...1038360262


You can buy it there from the iTunes Store, but it's not available for streaming in Apple Music.

Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #161 posted 08/17/18 2:51pm

rogifan

Doozer said:

 



rogifan said:


PurpleSkipper58 said:
And Apple STILL don’t have his GREATEST ALBUM...his masterpiece: HitNrun Phase One Smh [Edited 8/17/18 13:57pm]

Um it’s there: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/hitnrun-phase-one/1038360262


You can buy it there from the iTunes Store, but it's not available for streaming in Apple Music.


Weird. I know it was there at one point because I listened to it.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #162 posted 08/17/18 2:53pm

Doozer

IstenSzek said:

djThunderfunk said:


Thanks, Doozer!

Is this new? I could swear I've seen this cover before.



the previous one is a bit more of a close up (same picture) and the colours are more pink/reddish.
also the prince is in the left bottom corner in the previous one. but they are very similar. i think i'm
liking this one more since the picture is beter resolution and the colours are a bit more real.



Previous artwork, for comparison:

Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #163 posted 08/17/18 3:12pm

TwiliteKid

databank said:

TwiliteKid said:

How is a vastly improved versoin of the art we've seen for years "nonsense"?

And does it really matter if Prince approved it at this point?

For years? It's been what? 3 years?

But yeah well we can maybe have better covers for most Prince albums by hiring contemporary artists, can't we? I'm sure someone can come up with a much better cover art for 1999.

Now is that the point?

That image has been floating around for a lot longer than 3 years - I'm sure it was featured in Uptown shortly after The Truth was released. And what you're suggesting isn't quite the same thing - I'd bet Steve Parke did this new version as well as the original.

Reply #164 posted 08/17/18 3:22pm

MendesCity

WTF are they thinking starting the anthology with Emancipation?! A lot of folks will start this, and immediatly think "huh, guess I haven't been missing anything."

THOSE KIRKY J DRUMS, still so painful after all these years.

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Reply #165 posted 08/17/18 3:23pm

IstenSzek

MendesCity said:

WTF are they thinking starting the anthology with Emancipation?! A lof of folks will start this, and be like "huh, guess I haven't been missing anything."

THOSE KIRKY J DRUMS, still so painful after all these years.


there are some great picks in that list but yes, the sequencing and the dubioius inclusions
don't make this a 'come explore my back catalogue' kind of playlist neutral

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #166 posted 08/17/18 3:25pm

IstenSzek

that anthology is exactly why i hope they won't just compile 'albums' from random vault tracks.

let's pray that prince 'completed' a lot of albums that are sequenced.

because that playlist, oh boy confused

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #167 posted 08/17/18 3:40pm

djThunderfunk

TwiliteKid said:

lastdecember said:

I’m not sure that is on the way, the anthology is the only thing for sale now on Apple outside of what was there all the albums are for streaming. Not sure if the deal allows physical CDs releases

They're certainly ALLOWED to release CDs, but that doesn't mean they will bother for the older titles. Steaming is the future, folks.


Welcome to the present. Streaming isn't a replacement for CDs, it's a replacement for radio. Just sayin'...

https://www.salon.com/201...t-so-fast/



We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #168 posted 08/17/18 5:26pm

ChocolateBox3121

Kares said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince Rebuffed In Italian Plagiarism Case

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/269635/prince-rebuffed-in-italian-plagiarism-case

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And you're quoting me this article because?... smile

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Seriously, I know my English isn't perfect but why is it so hard to understand from my post that I'm talking about the initial delay in releasing TGE back in 1994-95, not about the current deal and digital releases? smile
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I was merely speculating that the Italian case could've been the real reason behind the delay in releasing TGE before late 1995, while Prince was publicly blaming WB instead and asking fans to petition WB to "free the Gold Experience".

.

So your calling Prince a liar and a deceiver!?

disbelief


So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #169 posted 08/17/18 5:41pm

Seahorsie

Listened to at least part of it on the old Spotify on my way home. Some of them were songs I had not listened to but 1 or 2 times. Not my fav compilation, but I was excited to see more music going out there to the world.

Maybe they need one of us to help them with the next streaming release?????

Good morning children...take a look out your window, the world is falling...
Reply #170 posted 08/17/18 5:50pm

EnDoRpHn

The graphic you posted is a hot-mess mashup of the original front and back cover art.

Doozer said:

IstenSzek said:


the previous one is a bit more of a close up (same picture) and the colours are more pink/reddish.
also the prince is in the left bottom corner in the previous one. but they are very similar. i think i'm
liking this one more since the picture is beter resolution and the colours are a bit more real.



Previous artwork, for comparison:

Reply #171 posted 08/17/18 6:22pm

jjam

PurpleSkipper58 said:

And Apple STILL don’t have his GREATEST ALBUM...his masterpiece: HitNrun Phase One Smh [Edited 8/17/18 13:57pm]

Good joke.

Reply #172 posted 08/17/18 6:32pm

SquirrelMeat

Doozer said:

djThunderfunk said:

New cover for The Truth? Anybody able to post?



truth.png


It's the original picture, but retouched and formatted for the digital release as the original file has been lost (or at least, not found).


[Edited 8/17/18 18:43pm]

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Reply #173 posted 08/17/18 7:42pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

Sam Jennings said Sony has used the correct album art that he did for these NPGMC releases.

Reply #174 posted 08/17/18 9:24pm

skywalker

Doozer said:

Listening to Anthology out of curiosity…

The end of The Work Pt. 1 includes what I'd consider the segue into or the beginning of "Everywhere" with the slowed-down-voice narration. Should've ended the song before that…really weird flow into "Call My Name" with that segue present.

I understand that the way TRC is tracked, that spoken word portion is in fact part of the end of The Work Pt. 1, but on the album, the flow is fine. As a single track on Anthology, it should've been handled differently IMHO.

On a similar note "Damn U" on prince ends with the intro to "Arrogance." Ugh. Who is responsible for this?

"New Power slide...."
Reply #175 posted 08/17/18 11:17pm

ChocolateBox3121

skywalker said:

Doozer said:

Listening to Anthology out of curiosity…

The end of The Work Pt. 1 includes what I'd consider the segue into or the beginning of "Everywhere" with the slowed-down-voice narration. Should've ended the song before that…really weird flow into "Call My Name" with that segue present.

I understand that the way TRC is tracked, that spoken word portion is in fact part of the end of The Work Pt. 1, but on the album, the flow is fine. As a single track on Anthology, it should've been handled differently IMHO.

On a similar note "Damn U" on prince ends with the intro to "Arrogance." Ugh. Who is responsible for this?

U people look to complain about EVERY SINGLE detail about EVERYTHING. My God! just listen to the song. Who cares about an intro or a segue..disbelief

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #176 posted 08/18/18 12:59am

databank

Doozer said:

IstenSzek said:


the previous one is a bit more of a close up (same picture) and the colours are more pink/reddish.
also the prince is in the left bottom corner in the previous one. but they are very similar. i think i'm
liking this one more since the picture is beter resolution and the colours are a bit more real.



Previous artwork, for comparison:

6935b6c4423edeb8439454816752d119.512x512x1.jpg

This is bootleg art.

[Edited 8/18/18 1:05am]

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #177 posted 08/18/18 1:04am

databank

TwiliteKid said:

databank said:

For years? It's been what? 3 years?

But yeah well we can maybe have better covers for most Prince albums by hiring contemporary artists, can't we? I'm sure someone can come up with a much better cover art for 1999.

Now is that the point?

That image has been floating around for a lot longer than 3 years - I'm sure it was featured in Uptown shortly after The Truth was released. And what you're suggesting isn't quite the same thing - I'd bet Steve Parke did this new version as well as the original.

The only known official artwork for The Truth is the one that appeared on Tidal about 3 years ago. There was also a cassette promo before the CB release, that would qualify for official I guess but on cassette (portrait as opposed to square LP/CD) format. The problem is that this original cassette picture has been tinkered with by bootleggers to fit CD format. So IDK. I think only Steve Parke can sort it out.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #178 posted 08/18/18 1:30am

love2thenines2003

The useless of such releases 4 us fans.....but in th eyes of The Estate we are peanuts....the main point to rush is the General public......not excited by the Future my friends....not at all !!

Reply #179 posted 08/18/18 2:09am

nextedition

love2thenines2003 said:

The useless of such releases 4 us fans.....but in th eyes of The Estate we are peanuts....the main point to rush is the General public......not excited by the Future my friends....not at all !!

Speak for yourself...i love i can stream all those albums now

Reply #180 posted 08/18/18 2:19am

Moonbeam

OK, someone has to do it, so it might as well be me. Let's see who can come up with the best 37-track Anthology tracklist. lol

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #181 posted 08/18/18 2:47am

leecaldon

rogifan said:

OK, who approved this wording on iTunes? I thought these artists ‘about’ like pages were supposed to be fact based not full of personal opinions. mad https://itunes.apple.com/...1421530791 Few artists have created a body of work as rich and varied as Prince. During the '80s, he emerged as one of the most singular talents of the rock & roll era, capable of seamlessly tying together pop, funk, folk, and rock. Not only did he release a series of groundbreaking albums; he toured frequently, produced albums, wrote songs for many other artists, and recorded hundreds of songs that still lie unreleased in his vaults. With each album he released, Prince showed remarkable stylistic growth and musical diversity, constantly experimenting with different sounds, textures, and genres. Occasionally, his music was inconsistent, in part because of his eclecticism, but his experiments frequently succeeded; no other contemporary artist blended so many diverse styles into a cohesive whole. Prince's first two albums were solid, if unremarkable, late-'70s funk-pop. With 1980's Dirty Mind, he recorded his first masterpiece, a one-man tour de force of sex and music; it was hard funk, catchy Beatlesque melodies, sweet soul ballads, and rocking guitar pop, all at once. The follow-up, Controversy, was more of the same, but 1999 was brilliant. The album was a monster hit, selling over three million copies, but it was nothing compared to 1984's Purple Rain. Purple Rain made Prince a superstar; it eventually sold over ten million copies in the U.S. and spent 24 weeks at number one. Partially recorded with his touring band, the Revolution, the record featured the most pop-oriented music he has ever made. Instead of continuing in this accessible direction, he veered off into the bizarre psycho-psychedelia of Around the World in a Day, which nevertheless sold over two million copies. In 1986, he released the even stranger Parade, which was in its own way as ambitious and intricate as any art rock of the '60s; however, no art rock was ever grounded with a hit as brilliant as the spare funk of "Kiss." By 1987, Prince's ambitions were growing by leaps and bounds, resulting in the sprawling masterpiece Sign 'O' the Times. Prince was set to release the hard funk of The Black Album by the end of the year, but he withdrew it just before its release, deciding it was too dark and immoral. Instead, he released the confused Lovesexy in 1988, which was a commercial disaster. With the soundtrack to 1989's Batman he returned to the top of the charts, even if the album was essentially a recap of everything he had done before. The following year he released Graffiti Bridge (the sequel to Purple Rain), which turned out to be a considerable commercial disappointment. [Edited 8/17/18 13:51pm]

Those are all pretty reasonable assertions to make, and fairly mainstream thinking. The comment on Lovesexy would be the only questionable one for me.

Reply #182 posted 08/18/18 4:41am

Doozer

databank said:

 



Doozer said:


 



IstenSzek said:


 



the previous one is a bit more of a close up (same picture) and the colours are more pink/reddish.
also the prince is in the left bottom corner in the previous one. but they are very similar. i think i'm
liking this one more since the picture is beter resolution and the colours are a bit more real.





Previous artwork, for comparison:


 


6935b6c4423edeb8439454816752d119.512x512x1.jpg



This is bootleg art.

[Edited 8/18/18 1:05am]



Yes...yes you are right, databank.
Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #183 posted 08/18/18 4:45am

Doozer

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



skywalker said:


 



Doozer said:


Listening to Anthology out of curiosity…

The end of The Work Pt. 1 includes what I'd consider the segue into or the beginning of "Everywhere" with the slowed-down-voice narration. Should've ended the song before that…really weird flow into "Call My Name" with that segue present.

I understand that the way TRC is tracked, that spoken word portion is in fact part of the end of The Work Pt. 1, but on the album, the flow is fine. As a single track on Anthology, it should've been handled differently IMHO. 



 


On a similar note "Damn U" on prince ends with the intro to "Arrogance." Ugh. Who is responsible for this? 



U people look to complain about EVERY SINGLE detail about EVERYTHING. My God! just listen to the song. Who cares about an intro or a segue..disbelief


 


 



It’s details like these that show the care and understanding of Prince’s catalog required to preserve his legacy. That’s why it matters.
Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #184 posted 08/18/18 5:22am

databank

Doozer said:

databank said:

This is bootleg art.

[Edited 8/18/18 1:05am]

Yes...yes you are right, databank.

Here is the Tidal artwork: https://www.discogs.com/P...se/7899073

The artwork on Princevault (and all derivatives such as the one you've posted) are said to have been made from the promo cassette artwork, but I was never able to find a picture of this cassette online.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #185 posted 08/18/18 5:42am

rogifan

leecaldon said:

 



rogifan said:


OK, who approved this wording on iTunes? I thought these artists ‘about’ like pages were supposed to be fact based not full of personal opinions. mad https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/anthology-1995-2010/1421530791 Few artists have created a body of work as rich and varied as Prince. During the '80s, he emerged as one of the most singular talents of the rock & roll era, capable of seamlessly tying together pop, funk, folk, and rock. Not only did he release a series of groundbreaking albums; he toured frequently, produced albums, wrote songs for many other artists, and recorded hundreds of songs that still lie unreleased in his vaults. With each album he released, Prince showed remarkable stylistic growth and musical diversity, constantly experimenting with different sounds, textures, and genres. Occasionally, his music was inconsistent, in part because of his eclecticism, but his experiments frequently succeeded; no other contemporary artist blended so many diverse styles into a cohesive whole. Prince's first two albums were solid, if unremarkable, late-'70s funk-pop. With 1980's Dirty Mind, he recorded his first masterpiece, a one-man tour de force of sex and music; it was hard funk, catchy Beatlesque melodies, sweet soul ballads, and rocking guitar pop, all at once. The follow-up, Controversy, was more of the same, but 1999 was brilliant. The album was a monster hit, selling over three million copies, but it was nothing compared to 1984's Purple Rain. Purple Rain made Prince a superstar; it eventually sold over ten million copies in the U.S. and spent 24 weeks at number one. Partially recorded with his touring band, the Revolution, the record featured the most pop-oriented music he has ever made. Instead of continuing in this accessible direction, he veered off into the bizarre psycho-psychedelia of Around the World in a Day, which nevertheless sold over two million copies. In 1986, he released the even stranger Parade, which was in its own way as ambitious and intricate as any art rock of the '60s; however, no art rock was ever grounded with a hit as brilliant as the spare funk of "Kiss." By 1987, Prince's ambitions were growing by leaps and bounds, resulting in the sprawling masterpiece Sign 'O' the Times. Prince was set to release the hard funk of The Black Album by the end of the year, but he withdrew it just before its release, deciding it was too dark and immoral. Instead, he released the confused Lovesexy in 1988, which was a commercial disaster. With the soundtrack to 1989's Batman he returned to the top of the charts, even if the album was essentially a recap of everything he had done before. The following year he released Graffiti Bridge (the sequel to Purple Rain), which turned out to be a considerable commercial disappointment. [Edited 8/17/18 13:51pm]

 


Those are all pretty reasonable assertions to make, and fairly mainstream thinking. The comment on Lovesexy would be the only questionable one for me.


Im sorry but IMO these “notes” should be generic and not full of opinion. They shouldn’t include words like unremarkable or bizarre.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #186 posted 08/18/18 6:16am

rdhull

I see we have sand in our vaginas again.

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #187 posted 08/18/18 7:44am

Doozer

rdhull said:

I see we have sand in our vaginas again.


lol
Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #188 posted 08/18/18 7:55am

ChocolateBox3121

Doozer said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

U people look to complain about EVERY SINGLE detail about EVERYTHING. My God! just listen to the song. Who cares about an intro or a segue..disbelief

It’s details like these that show the care and understanding of Prince’s catalog required to preserve his legacy. That’s why it matters.

Although Prince(R.I.P.), was VERY meticulous about the sequencing of his almost FORTY mAsTeRPiEcEs of albums, that he accomplished in a VERY short lifetime. More than ANY other artist in the history of muziq. As long as the casual & newer fans are streaming his vast catalog of after WBR years of recordings(My favorite time period) it doesnt really matter how HORRIBLY Sony is compiling the tracks together. At least they're out there now.

But I'm VERY impressed that U care about Prince's(RI.P.) legacy.At least somebody does.

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #189 posted 08/18/18 7:57am

Mintchip

I happy these albums are out there. It feels right.

Reply #190 posted 08/18/18 8:04am

Doozer

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Doozer said:

ChocolateBox3121 said: It’s details like these that show the care and understanding of Prince’s catalog required to preserve his legacy. That’s why it matters.

Although Prince(R.I.P.), was VERY meticulous about the sequencing of his almost FORTY mAsTeRPiEcEs of albums, that he accomplished in a VERY short lifetime. More than ANY other artist in the history of muziq. As long as the casual & newer fans are streaming his vast catalog of after WBR years of recordings(My favorite time period) it doesnt really matter how HORRIBLY Sony is compiling the tracks together. At least they're out there now.

But I'm VERY impressed that U care about Prince's(RI.P.) legacy.At least somebody does.



I agree, and I don't have a problem with "Anthology" being a gateway for new fans to discover the second half of Prince's career, and certainly love the fact that the full albums themselves are now widely available. His talent was immense and far reaching, so no one should be surprised that the small details in his work mean a great deal to a great many.

Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #191 posted 08/18/18 8:13am

rdhull

Don’t let the so called “poor excuse” ANTHOLOGY ( its not, it’s fine)spoil the pleasure of many of the previously unavailable releases now being available. I mean a lot of the NPGMC exclusives are now here for everyone to fill in their gaps etc. Some of this material was hard to come by. And now practically his whole catalogue is now out there for new fans to discover like everyone bitched about. So what’s the problem? Y’all shoes on too tight or somethin?!
Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #192 posted 08/18/18 9:05am

SkipperLove

I don't agree with some of the songs on the Anthology..Some I find to be really weird choices..BUT THAT ALL BEING SAID, I am glad they were thoughtful enough to do an anthology...This might cheer some orgers up --Rolling Stone just recommended streaming the anthology on their site. It is included as an editor's pick...and they don't call it the best of his later years but rather a "primer" and a jumping off point.

https://www.rollingstone....de-712626/

Prince, Anthology 1995-2010
This primer for today’s deluge of Prince reissues — 23 albums from his post-Warner period through 2010, including some he self-distributed through his own NPG Music Club — is lovingly put together, its 37 tracks including the riotously raunchy “P Control,” the spiny workout “Black Sweat,” the guitar workout “Shhh,” the fuzzed-out title track to 1996’s Chaos and Disorder and the lushly existential ballad “Gold.” Use it as a jumping-off point for further study of Prince’s DIY years — or just for getting down. Maura Johnston
Read Our Feature: The Prince Estate’s Big...rple Reign
Listen: Amazon Music Unlimited | Apple Music | Spotify | Tidal

rdhull said:

Don’t let the so called “poor excuse” ANTHOLOGY ( its not, it’s fine)spoil the pleasure of many of the previously unavailable releases now being available. I mean a lot of the NPGMC exclusives are now here for everyone to fill in their gaps etc. Some of this material was hard to come by. And now practically his whole catalogue is now out there for new fans to discover like everyone bitched about. So what’s the problem? Y’all shoes on too tight or somethin?!

Reply #193 posted 08/18/18 9:16am

djThunderfunk

ChocolateBox3121 said:

skywalker said:

On a similar note "Damn U" on prince ends with the intro to "Arrogance." Ugh. Who is responsible for this?

U people look to complain about EVERY SINGLE detail about EVERYTHING. My God! just listen to the song. Who cares about an intro or a segue..disbelief


"Who cares"? Anybody that is listening to this playlist, ahem "anthology", who desires a well sequenced collection that flows, that's who. wink

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #194 posted 08/18/18 10:02am

206Michelle

On Tidal, there is Emancipation, 3121, Musicology, and more! I’m a freaking kid in a candy store!!! woot! drool dancing jig
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #195 posted 08/18/18 10:02am

206Michelle

TwiliteKid said:

 



Militant said:




Nice cover! What's the tracklist? I use Apple Music and they don't have it yet. 


The cover is fantastic!
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Reply #196 posted 08/18/18 10:13am

206Michelle

dustoff said:

Tracklist:


 


1. Emancipation


2. Black Sweat


3. P. Control


4. Crucial


5. The Love We Make


6. Eye Hate U


7. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold


8. Eye Love U, But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore


9. Gold


10. Guitar


11. Dream Factory


12. The Work Pt. 1


13. Call My Name


14. Strays of the World


15. Shhh


16. Dreamer


17. Chaos and Disorder


18. Endorphinmachine


19. Musicology


20. Northside


21. When Eye Lay My Hands on U


22. Beautiful Strange


23. Future Soul Song


24. Empty Room (Live)


25. 3rd Eye


26. U're Gonna C Me


27. Dinner with Delores


28. Ol' Skool Company


29. 4ever


30. West


31. Xpedition


32. Muse 2 the Pharaoh


33. Somewhere Here on Earth


34. U Make My Sun Shine


35. 1+1+1 is 3


36. Chelsea Rogers


37. We March


I don’t want to sound like I’m bitching, but why wasn’t the anthology 1994 to 2010? Dark and The Most Beautiful Girl in the World should be on this anthology.
.
For the most part, I think the tracks selected are good. But Colonized Mind needs to be on here because it is a masterful track. Also, where is Future Baby Mama; He won a Grammy for that song.
.
Also, why does the album stop at 2010?
[Edited 8/18/18 13:39pm]
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Reply #197 posted 08/18/18 10:16am

206Michelle

jaawwnn said:

Well, silly anthology aside it's great to be getting these albums on streaming services that people actually use.

I notice The Most Beautiful Girl isn't on the compilation, that song just refuses to be made available.

[Edited 8/16/18 13:53pm]


TMBGITW was available on Tidal until about a month ago, but now, it still appears on TGE’s tracklist, but I cannot stream TMBGITW.
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Reply #198 posted 08/18/18 10:19am

lastdecember

It’s very interesting that Hit N Run phase one is only a purchase choice and the only one not available to stream. Wonder why, or if they just forgot it.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #199 posted 08/18/18 10:23am

rogifan

206Michelle said:[quote]

dustoff said:



I don’t want to sound like I’m bitching, but why wasn’t the anthology 1994 to 2010? Dark and The Most Beautiful Girl in the World should be on this anthology. I know that TMBGITW was on the 4ever compilation.
.
For the most part, I think the tracks selected are good. But Colonized Mind needs to be on here because it is a masterful track. Also, where is Future Baby Mama; He won a Grammy for that song.
.
Also, why does the album stop at 2010?

Yeah I don’t know why it stops at 2010. Also I Like It There should be on here. He played it quite a bit live in the later years.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #200 posted 08/18/18 10:28am

206Michelle

lust said:

Whilst there’s a couple of tracks which I think are odd inclusions, the curator has done a great job. They included The Love We Make for starters. Very nice little intro to Prince’s later work. It’s an easy way for the masses to dip their toes in. Long overdue.

I agree with you! It’s a great way to introduce casual fans to his later material!
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Reply #201 posted 08/18/18 10:29am

206Michelle

lust said:

As The Hits/B sides goes to 1993 and Anthology starts
from 1995 it means that Prince’s Come has slipped through the cracks!

I thought the same thing. Dark is the best song on Clme and was worthy of being on this anthology release.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #202 posted 08/18/18 10:30am

lastdecember

206Michelle said:

dustoff said:

Tracklist:


 


1. Emancipation


2. Black Sweat


3. P. Control


4. Crucial


5. The Love We Make


6. Eye Hate U


7. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold


8. Eye Love U, But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore


9. Gold


10. Guitar


11. Dream Factory


12. The Work Pt. 1


13. Call My Name


14. Strays of the World


15. Shhh


16. Dreamer


17. Chaos and Disorder


18. Endorphinmachine


19. Musicology


20. Northside


21. When Eye Lay My Hands on U


22. Beautiful Strange


23. Future Soul Song


24. Empty Room (Live)


25. 3rd Eye


26. U're Gonna C Me


27. Dinner with Delores


28. Ol' Skool Company


29. 4ever


30. West


31. Xpedition


32. Muse 2 the Pharaoh


33. Somewhere Here on Earth


34. U Make My Sun Shine


35. 1+1+1 is 3


36. Chelsea Rogers


37. We March


I don’t want to sound like I’m bitching, but why wasn’t the anthology 1994 to 2010? Dark and The Most Beautiful Girl in the World should be on this anthology. I know that TMBGITW was on the 4ever compilation.
.
For the most part, I think the tracks selected are good. But Colonized Mind needs to be on here because it is a masterful track. Also, where is Future Baby Mama; He won a Grammy for that song.
.
Also, why does the album stop at 2010?


They wanted to compile what they were releasing that was not on their platform before. iTunes is selling things from the later years, AOA, Hit n Run phases are all for sale and have been. It doesn’t start at 1994 because COME is for sale and has been and the issues with TMBGITW legal battles and where it can be sold and streamed is the issue and why you don’t see it.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #203 posted 08/18/18 10:31am

206Michelle

Also, The One and The Holy River should be on 1995-2010 Anthology.
[Edited 8/18/18 10:33am]
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Reply #204 posted 08/18/18 10:57am

EnDoRpHn

I've used this extract from The Truth album promo artwork that circulated widely back in 1997 as the image art for audio files on my PC. It's much closer in contrast and tone to the original circulating imagery than the lighter image posted earlier in this thread.

Prince - The Truth cover art (extract)

The higher-resolution file that I extracted this from is on an older drive somewhere, I'll have to dig it up later.

databank said:

Doozer said:

databank said: Yes...yes you are right, databank.

Here is the Tidal artwork: https://www.discogs.com/P...se/7899073

The artwork on Princevault (and all derivatives such as the one you've posted) are said to have been made from the promo cassette artwork, but I was never able to find a picture of this cassette online.

Reply #205 posted 08/18/18 11:17am

206Michelle

databank said:

 



Doozer said:


databank said:

 


This is bootleg art.


[Edited 8/18/18 1:05am]



Yes...yes you are right, databank.

Here is the Tidal artwork: https://www.discogs.com/Prince-The-Truth/release/7899073


The artwork on Princevault (and all derivatives such as the one you've posted) are said to have been made from the promo cassette artwork, but I was never able to find a picture of this cassette online.


The Truth has been on Tidal ever since I joined, which was at least a year ago. The version released yesterday has a slightly different cover but the same tracklist.
.
I had every Prince prince downloaded on my phone so I can say for a fact that these albums from 1995 to 2010 were already on Tidal:
-MPLSoUND was previously disc 2 of Lotusflow3r on Tidal.
-The Gold Experience
-20Ten
-Lotusflow3r
-Indigo Nights
-Planet Earth
-The Slaughterhouse
-C Note
-The Chocolate Invasion
-N.E.W.S
-XPECTATION
-The Rainbow Children
-Rave In2 the Joy Fantastic (remixes)
-The Truth
-The Vault Old Friends 4 Sale
NPG records was the label except for TVOF4S which is NPG and Warner Brothers.
.
Also available under the artist The New Power Generation for the past year were Exodus and Newpower Soul.
.

Not sure about One Nite Alone. I downloaded it yesterday but I thought it was already on Tidal. Maybe when I downloaded it, the new version overwrote the previous copy?


The following albums were not available within the past year on Tidal until yesterday:
MPLSoUND (as separate album; tracks were listed as disc 2 of Lotusflow3r)
Musicology
Rave Un2 the Joy Fantastic
Crystal Ball
Emancipation
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Reply #206 posted 08/18/18 11:23am

206Michelle

lastdecember said:

It’s very interesting that Hit N Run phase one is only a purchase choice and the only one not available to stream. Wonder why, or if they just forgot it.

HNR 1 and 2 havé been available to stream on Tidal ever since I jouned about a year ago.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #207 posted 08/18/18 11:26am

206Michelle

lastdecember said:

206Michelle said:


I don’t want to sound like I’m bitching, but why wasn’t the anthology 1994 to 2010? Dark and The Most Beautiful Girl in the World should be on this anthology. I know that TMBGITW was on the 4ever compilation.
.
For the most part, I think the tracks selected are good. But Colonized Mind needs to be on here because it is a masterful track. Also, where is Future Baby Mama; He won a Grammy for that song.
.
Also, why does the album stop at 2010?


They wanted to compile what they were releasing that was not on their platform before. iTunes is selling things from the later years, AOA, Hit n Run phases are all for sale and have been. It doesn’t start at 1994 because COME is for sale and has been and the issues with TMBGITW legal battles and where it can be sold and streamed is the issue and why you don’t see it.

I know that Come has been available to stream (although hard copies have not been available new. Is the Anthology going to be a physical release also?
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #208 posted 08/18/18 11:50am

206Michelle

rogifan said:[quote]

206Michelle said:

dustoff said:



I don’t want to sound like I’m bitching, but why wasn’t the anthology 1994 to 2010? Dark and The Most Beautiful Girl in the World should be on this anthology. I know that TMBGITW was on the 4ever compilation.
.
For the most part, I think the tracks selected are good. But Colonized Mind needs to be on here because it is a masterful track. Also, where is Future Baby Mama; He won a Grammy for that song.
.
Also, why does the album stop at 2010?

Yeah I don’t know why it stops at 2010. Also I Like It There should be on here. He played it quite a bit live in the later years.

I agree about I Like It There. I think it should replace Chaos and Disorder.
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Reply #209 posted 08/18/18 12:09pm

206Michelle

MendesCity said:

WTF are they thinking starting the anthology with Emancipation?! A lot of folks will start this, and immediatly think "huh, guess I haven't been missing anything."


 


THOSE KIRKY J DRUMS, still so painful after all these years. 

[Edited 8/17/18 15:23pm]


I hear you. Probably because Emancipation was his first independent album.
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Reply #210 posted 08/18/18 12:11pm

206Michelle

rogifan said:

OK this showed up in my Twitter feed. Not sure what I think about it. At least they’re using the Twitter feature where an account can promote a tweet but you never actually see it on their twitter page as something they’ve tweeted. So when you go to @prince this ‘ad’ doesn’t show up. The last tweet you see is the last thing he tweeted.

2lnigs7.jpg

That’s really weird!
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Reply #211 posted 08/18/18 12:17pm

luvsexy4all

instead of the usual "ill give MY compilation which is better than most".....let them know if u consider this comp likely to bring in listeners or not

Reply #212 posted 08/18/18 12:24pm

luvsexy4all

arent the leggers going to contribute???? hype mfers

Reply #213 posted 08/18/18 12:25pm

206Michelle

Harps said:

So, Tidal now only has Newpowersoul, Exodus, HitnRun Phase 1&2, The Most Beautiful on TGE and some random single uploads like If I could get u’re attention, Free Urself etc... over the other streaming services?

The Black Album and Gold Nigga are unavailable on either.

As usual Tidal is a complete mess with duplicate albums, incorrect categories etc. Crystal Ball doesn’t appear in the albums section but like One Nite Alone....Solo is under Live albums whilst One Nite Alone...the Aftershow is under Albums not Live.

It’s never easy being a Prince fan biggrin
[Edited 8/17/18 1:02am]

The Black Album WAS available on Tidal until very recently, possibly yesterday. I see that TBA is no longer listed among his albums on his artist page on Tidal. I still have it because I downloaded it and I can still play it.
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Reply #214 posted 08/18/18 12:37pm

206Michelle

PurpleMedley122 said:

So after all this, the albums that still remain exclusive to TIDAL are:
The Hit n Run albums (also on Apple Music)
Newpower Soul
Exodus
1-800 New Funk
Girl 6
Karmasutra

Singles:
The War
Black Sweat (Live)
Little Red Corvette/Dirty Mind
When Will We B Paid?
Joy in Repetition (Live)
If Eye Could Get Ur Attention

Still missing from all streaming sites: The Black Album (was on TIDAL, but recently removed) and Goldnigga
[Edited 8/17/18 6:55am]
[Edited 8/17/18 7:09am]

I did not know Kamasutra was on Tidal until you mentioned it, Purple Medley! Thanks!
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Reply #215 posted 08/18/18 1:00pm

Doozer

206Michelle said:

dustoff said:

Tracklist:

1. Emancipation

2. Black Sweat

3. P. Control

4. Crucial

5. The Love We Make

6. Eye Hate U

7. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold

8. Eye Love U, But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore

9. Gold

10. Guitar

11. Dream Factory

12. The Work Pt. 1

13. Call My Name

14. Strays of the World

15. Shhh

16. Dreamer

17. Chaos and Disorder

18. Endorphinmachine

19. Musicology

20. Northside

21. When Eye Lay My Hands on U

22. Beautiful Strange

23. Future Soul Song

24. Empty Room (Live)

25. 3rd Eye

26. U're Gonna C Me

27. Dinner with Delores

28. Ol' Skool Company

29. 4ever

30. West

31. Xpedition

32. Muse 2 the Pharaoh

33. Somewhere Here on Earth

34. U Make My Sun Shine

35. 1+1+1 is 3

36. Chelsea Rogers

37. We March

I don’t want to sound like I’m bitching, but why wasn’t the anthology 1994 to 2010? Dark and The Most Beautiful Girl in the World should be on this anthology. I know that TMBGITW was on the 4ever compilation. . For the most part, I think the tracks selected are good. But Colonized Mind needs to be on here because it is a masterful track. Also, where is Future Baby Mama; He won a Grammy for that song. . Also, why does the album stop at 2010?


TMBGITW was not part of the 4ever release.

Check out The Mountains and the Sea, a Prince podcast by yours truly and my wife. More info at https://www.facebook.com/TMATSPodcast/
Reply #216 posted 08/18/18 1:04pm

206Michelle

fabriziovenerandi said:

 



databank said:


I wonder what the deal is with TMBGITW...


 



 


I think it could be related to the italian plagiarism for "Takin' me to paradise".


Prince's Italian Plagiarism Case Drags On
Billboard
https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7445762/princes-italian-plagiarism-case
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Reply #217 posted 08/18/18 1:07pm

EddieC

rogifan said:

leecaldon said:

Those are all pretty reasonable assertions to make, and fairly mainstream thinking. The comment on Lovesexy would be the only questionable one for me.

Im sorry but IMO these “notes” should be generic and not full of opinion. They shouldn’t include words like unremarkable or bizarre.

Should they include words like "remarkable" or "mainstream"--or, for that matter, "classic" or "among his best work." Honestly, except for tracklistings and recording/release information, almost everything one could say about a musical production is subjective to some degree.

Reply #218 posted 08/18/18 1:12pm

EddieC

EddieC said:

rogifan said:

leecaldon said: Im sorry but IMO these “notes” should be generic and not full of opinion. They shouldn’t include words like unremarkable or bizarre.

Should they include words like "remarkable" or "mainstream"--or, for that matter, "classic" or "among his best work"? Honestly, except for tracklistings and recording/release information, almost everything one could say about a musical production is subjective to some degree.

Reply #219 posted 08/18/18 1:36pm

206Michelle

Doozer said:

 



206Michelle said:


dustoff said:

Tracklist:


 


1. Emancipation


2. Black Sweat


3. P. Control


4. Crucial


5. The Love We Make


6. Eye Hate U


7. The Greatest Romance Ever Sold


8. Eye Love U, But Eye Don't Trust U Anymore


9. Gold


10. Guitar


11. Dream Factory


12. The Work Pt. 1


13. Call My Name


14. Strays of the World


15. Shhh


16. Dreamer


17. Chaos and Disorder


18. Endorphinmachine


19. Musicology


20. Northside


21. When Eye Lay My Hands on U


22. Beautiful Strange


23. Future Soul Song


24. Empty Room (Live)


25. 3rd Eye


26. U're Gonna C Me


27. Dinner with Delores


28. Ol' Skool Company


29. 4ever


30. West


31. Xpedition


32. Muse 2 the Pharaoh


33. Somewhere Here on Earth


34. U Make My Sun Shine


35. 1+1+1 is 3


36. Chelsea Rogers


37. We March



I don’t want to sound like I’m bitching, but why wasn’t the anthology 1994 to 2010? Dark and The Most Beautiful Girl in the World should be on this anthology. I know that TMBGITW was on the 4ever compilation. . For the most part, I think the tracks selected are good. But Colonized Mind needs to be on here because it is a masterful track. Also, where is Future Baby Mama; He won a Grammy for that song. . Also, why does the album stop at 2010?


TMBGITW was not part of the 4ever release.


My bad, I was thinking of Batdance because that was not on The Hits/The B Sides.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #220 posted 08/18/18 1:56pm

rogifan

206Michelle said:

rogifan said:


Yeah I don’t know why it stops at 2010. Also I Like It There should be on here. He played it quite a bit live in the later years.

I agree about I Like It There. I think it should replace Chaos and Disorder.

i don’t mind Chaos and Disorder but he definitely played I Like It There more live. I just listen to the live versions because they’re better anyway. lol
Paisley Park is in your heart
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Reply #221 posted 08/18/18 2:06pm

humblestone

Why did Tidal removed the Black album?
Reply #222 posted 08/18/18 2:44pm

lastdecember

206Michelle said:

lastdecember said:

It’s very interesting that Hit N Run phase one is only a purchase choice and the only one not available to stream. Wonder why, or if they just forgot it.

HNR 1 and 2 havé been available to stream on Tidal ever since I jouned about a year ago.


Yeah tidal had them all and I own all the CDs and saying in general it’s weird that’s the only album lik that on iTunes that isn’t a stream it’s just a sale. As for tidal knowing Jay z and his bs and screwing artists over there I’d never sign up

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #223 posted 08/18/18 2:52pm

lastdecember

206Michelle said:

fabriziovenerandi said:

 



databank said:


I wonder what the deal is with TMBGITW...


 



 


I think it could be related to the italian plagiarism for "Takin' me to paradise".


Prince's Italian Plagiarism Case Drags On
Billboard
https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7445762/princes-italian-plagiarism-case


It’s interesting that only in Italy are they receiving some sort of royalties for what is a similar part of the song not a sound a like, if you listen to there song it takes a while before you hear a hint of a similar progression but again I am curious why this case was not taking up wider. They called it a slow moving system, um, the song has been out 24 years now and about 22 at the time of this suit.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #224 posted 08/18/18 4:41pm

42Kristen

Forgive me if I do not recognize any of these songs from 1995 up until the late '90's. I was in a stupor of San Bernardino Valley College during those years that Prince had his hands full with MAYTE GARCIA!

Reply #225 posted 08/18/18 4:50pm

ChocolateBox3121

42Kristen said:

Forgive me if I do not recognize any of these songs from 1995 up until the late '90's. I was in a stupor of San Bernardino Valley College during those years that Prince had his hands full with MAYTE GARCIA!

eek

So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #226 posted 08/18/18 6:21pm

206Michelle

I am just finishing listening to Emancipation from start to finish for the first time now that it is on Tidal. I’ve listened to the majority of the album’s songs elsewhere online. I would have liked for Thé Holy River and possibly Saviour to be on Anthology as well, but it thrills me that The Love We Make is on there. I feel that TLWM is in the upper echelon of songs in his Catalogue. Prince seemed to like the song very much also since he played it on tours from 2010 onward. Also, the electric guitar chord progressions in Andy Allo’s song Nothing More are very similar to those in TLWM and Prince was very involved in making Superconductor; it’s probably him playing the electric guitar on NM. So I can infer that he loved the song. His guitar solos during live performances of TLWM were incredible. I’m glad that the song is on Anthology!
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #227 posted 08/18/18 6:57pm

206Michelle

lastdecember said:

206Michelle said:


Prince's Italian Plagiarism Case Drags On
Billboard
https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7445762/princes-italian-plagiarism-case


It’s interesting that only in Italy are they receiving some sort of royalties for what is a similar part of the song not a sound a like, if you listen to there song it takes a while before you hear a hint of a similar progression but again I am curious why this case was not taking up wider. They called it a slow moving system, um, the song has been out 24 years now and about 22 at the time of this suit.

Arguing that TMBGITW plagiarizes Takin' me to paradise is like saying Ariana Grandés song no tears left to cry plagiarizes Madonna’s Frozen and Christina Aguilera’s Come on Over Baby remix. In other words, it’s a silly argument.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #228 posted 08/19/18 12:56pm

Dazza

Strange Tracklist. Nice to have something post 1993 out there, but again, what a missed opportunity.

Kicking off with Eamcipation????? One of the weaker tracks on that album.

If they are including 10 minute songs why the hell would you choose WEST over Crystal Ball???

Some glaring omissions -

The Holy River

Somebody's somebody

One Kiss at a time

My Computer

The truth

Don't PLay Me

Other side of the pillow

Man 'o' war

She loves me 4 me

Last December (better closer than We March - weakest track on TGE)

Green virgin teenager, or filthy rich yuppy. Pussy cat pussy cat, where for out thou puppy
Reply #229 posted 08/19/18 2:58pm

kindofblue

As nobody has pointed it out before: Tidal features a long, well recherched article about the 1995 - 2010 period, that includes new interviews with Michael B, Chuck Zwicky, Alan Light et al, which contain lots of information and anecdotes, some of which are new to me.

- Michael B says, Michael Jacksons HISTory inspired Prince to release Emancipation as a 3 CD Set.

- Alan Light says, Prince hurt his hip while on the ONA tour.

etc. ect.

Read here:

http://read.tidal.com/article/prince-decade-muse

Reply #230 posted 08/19/18 5:08pm

OperatingThetan

kindofblue said:

As nobody has pointed it out before: Tidal features a long, well recherched article about the 1995 - 2010 period, that includes new interviews with Michael B, Chuck Zwicky, Alan Light et al, which contain lots of information and anecdotes, some of which are new to me.


- Michael B says, Michael Jacksons HISTory inspired Prince to release Emancipation as a 3 CD Set. 


- Alan Light says, Prince hurt his hip while on the ONA tour.


etc. ect.


Read here:


http://read.tidal.com/article/prince-decade-muse


 



Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement?

I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.
Reply #231 posted 08/19/18 5:36pm

206Michelle

OperatingThetan said:

kindofblue said:

As nobody has pointed it out before: Tidal features a long, well recherched article about the 1995 - 2010 period, that includes new interviews with Michael B, Chuck Zwicky, Alan Light et al, which contain lots of information and anecdotes, some of which are new to me.


- Michael B says, Michael Jacksons HISTory inspired Prince to release Emancipation as a 3 CD Set. 


- Alan Light says, Prince hurt his hip while on the ONA tour.


etc. ect.


Read here:


http://read.tidal.com/article/prince-decade-muse


 



Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement?

I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.

“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.”

OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #232 posted 08/19/18 6:06pm

EddieC

206Michelle said:

OperatingThetan said:
Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement? I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.
“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.” OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

It could be read that way... but it could also be that being a great guitar player is not "his greatest gift" or the thing that made him a "true artist," but instead that "it" was his "inspiration and creativity." I don't think that Bland is saying one way or the other whether Prince was a great guitar player... but even if Prince was one, that's not the thing that mattered most.

Reply #233 posted 08/19/18 6:18pm

lastdecember

Dazza said:

Strange Tracklist. Nice to have something post 1993 out there, but again, what a missed opportunity.


 


Kicking off with Eamcipation????? One of the weaker tracks on that album.


 


If they are including 10 minute songs why the hell would you choose WEST over Crystal Ball???


 


Some glaring omissions -


The Holy River


Somebody's somebody


One Kiss at a time


My Computer


 


The truth


Don't PLay Me


Other side of the pillow


 


Man 'o' war


She loves me 4 me


Last December (better closer than We March - weakest track on TGE)



The interesting thing is some are asking for a physical cd release, but I think people forget that technically from 1995 through 2010 he had no hits crossover and that’s a reality. I Hate U was the only crossover hit hitting number 12 and then 1999 recharted in 2000. Here and there he had rb hits, Call my Name, Somebody’s Somebody, Future Baby Mama etc...but he never crossed over again, with the exception of 2016 which saw songs recharger after his passing.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
Reply #234 posted 08/19/18 6:31pm

thisisreece

Dazza said:

Strange Tracklist. Nice to have something post 1993 out there, but again, what a missed opportunity.

Kicking off with Eamcipation????? One of the weaker tracks on that album.

If they are including 10 minute songs why the hell would you choose WEST over Crystal Ball???

Some glaring omissions -

The Holy River

Somebody's somebody

One Kiss at a time

My Computer

The truth

Don't PLay Me

Other side of the pillow

Man 'o' war

She loves me 4 me

Last December (better closer than We March - weakest track on TGE)

Excellent choice - Last December should have closed Anthology.

I agree that The Truth, Don't Play Me, The Holy River, My Computer, and She Loves Me 4 Me should be on there too. I'd also add Avalanche, When the Lights Go Down, Rave Unto the Joy Fantastic, Family Name, 3121, Cinnamon Girl, Boom, Colonized Mind, Calhoun Square, Reflection... probably some others.



And Emancipation is terrible - if I wasn't a Prince fan, that alone would be put me off listening to the rest of the playlist/album, nevermind digging deeper into his work. To kick things off, I think songs like Rave Unto the Joy Fantastic, 3121, Endorphinmachine, would have been much stronger choices.

Hundalasiliah!
Reply #235 posted 08/19/18 7:51pm

206Michelle

EddieC said:

 



206Michelle said:


OperatingThetan said:
Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement? I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.

“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.”
OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

It could be read that way... but it could also be that being a great guitar player is not "his greatest gift" or the thing that made him a "true artist," but instead that "it" was his "inspiration and creativity."  I don't think that Bland is saying one way or the other whether Prince was a great guitar player... but even if Prince was one, that's not the thing that mattered most.


Even if his greatest gift was something other than the guitar, to even suggest that Prince was not an elite guitar player is ridiculous!!!
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Reply #236 posted 08/19/18 10:40pm

Toofunkyinhere

This is a decent compilation album,although a couple of glaring omissions (The holy river, somebody's somebody,TMBGITW).
But the problem I have is if it ain't a physical release, i dont see it as real.
[Edited 8/19/18 22:46pm]
We're here, might as well get into it.
Reply #237 posted 08/19/18 11:57pm

rogifan

206Michelle said:

EddieC said:

 



206Michelle said:


OperatingThetan said:
Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement? I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.

“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.”
OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

It could be read that way... but it could also be that being a great guitar player is not "his greatest gift" or the thing that made him a "true artist," but instead that "it" was his "inspiration and creativity."  I don't think that Bland is saying one way or the other whether Prince was a great guitar player... but even if Prince was one, that's not the thing that mattered most.


Even if his greatest gift was something other than the guitar, to even suggest that Prince was not an elite guitar player is ridiculous!!!

Seems to me he just worded what he was trying to say confusingly. I took it that he meant Prince wasn’t just a great guitar player in the clinical/technical sense but that his guitar playing had real heart & soul to it.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #238 posted 08/20/18 12:06am

rogifan

thisisreece said:

 



Dazza said:


Strange Tracklist. Nice to have something post 1993 out there, but again, what a missed opportunity.


 


Kicking off with Eamcipation????? One of the weaker tracks on that album.


 


If they are including 10 minute songs why the hell would you choose WEST over Crystal Ball???


 


Some glaring omissions -


The Holy River


Somebody's somebody


One Kiss at a time


My Computer


 


The truth


Don't PLay Me


Other side of the pillow


 


Man 'o' war


She loves me 4 me


Last December (better closer than We March - weakest track on TGE)



Excellent choice - Last December should have closed Anthology.

I agree that The Truth, Don't Play Me, The Holy River, My Computer, and She Loves Me 4 Me should be on there too. I'd also add Avalanche, When the Lights Go Down, Rave Unto the Joy Fantastic, Family Name, 3121, Cinnamon Girl, Boom, Colonized Mind, Calhoun Square, Reflection... probably some others. 




And Emancipation is terrible - if I wasn't a Prince fan, that alone would be put me off listening to the rest of the playlist/album, nevermind digging deeper into his work. To kick things off, I think songs like Rave Unto the Joy Fantastic, 3121, Endorphinmachine, would have been much stronger choices.


I’d love to know who was involved with the track listing. Did they get the input of any NPG members? Or any of the engineers who worked on this stuff like Scottie Baldwin or Dave Hampton?
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #239 posted 08/20/18 2:18am

Lovejunky

206Michelle said:

lastdecember said:
It’s interesting that only in Italy are they receiving some sort of royalties for what is a similar part of the song not a sound a like, if you listen to there song it takes a while before you hear a hint of a similar progression but again I am curious why this case was not taking up wider. They called it a slow moving system, um, the song has been out 24 years now and about 22 at the time of this suit.
Arguing that TMBGITW plagiarizes Takin' me to paradise is like saying Ariana Grandés song no tears left to cry plagiarizes Madonna’s Frozen and Christina Aguilera’s Come on Over Baby remix. In other words, it’s a silly argument.

Not to mention that Takin me to Paradise is virtually unlistenable

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #240 posted 08/20/18 2:23am

Silvertongue7

rogifan said:

206Michelle said:


Even if his greatest gift was something other than the guitar, to even suggest that Prince was not an elite guitar player is ridiculous!!!

Seems to me he just worded what he was trying to say confusingly. I took it that he meant Prince wasn’t just a great guitar player in the clinical/technical sense but that his guitar playing had real heart & soul to it.

That’s what I understood too.
Reply #241 posted 08/20/18 2:40am

OperatingThetan

206Michelle said:

EddieC said:

 



206Michelle said:


OperatingThetan said:
Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement? I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.

“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.”
OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

It could be read that way... but it could also be that being a great guitar player is not "his greatest gift" or the thing that made him a "true artist," but instead that "it" was his "inspiration and creativity."  I don't think that Bland is saying one way or the other whether Prince was a great guitar player... but even if Prince was one, that's not the thing that mattered most.


Even if his greatest gift was something other than the guitar, to even suggest that Prince was not an elite guitar player is ridiculous!!!


Agreed.

It may have been awkwardly worded, but it's certainly not the assertion to make in that kind of article and never needed to be mentioned in that way.

We know what Prince was capable of but the article is targeted at the uninitiated. I wouldn't want an unfamiliar person coming away from that article thinking that Prince's own drummer thought he wasn't a great guitar player. Prince doesn't get enough credit as a multi-instrumentalist from the general public as it is.

*
[Edited 8/20/18 2:41am]
Reply #242 posted 08/20/18 6:24am

thisisreece

206Michelle said:

OperatingThetan said:
Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement? I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.
“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.” OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Come on - that's totally not what he's saying! He's saying the reason that we all are all so invested in Prince isn't that he was an immensely skilled guitar player (not that he wasn't, but Bland seems to commenting on this because it's often the first thing a lot of people talk about when discussing Prince's greatness), rather it was his creativeness and the unusual and interesting things he was able to conceive in his music.

Hundalasiliah!
Reply #243 posted 08/20/18 8:50am

RicoN

206Michelle said:

OperatingThetan said:
Is Bland suggesting Prince was not a great guitar player here or is that just one possible interpretation of his statement? I'd be interested to see how other people perceived it.
“If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.” OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

go and take your willful mis-interpretation and faux outrage elsewhere

Yes, I've probably made a spelling mistake, but I can't be arsed to go back and correc tit.
Reply #244 posted 08/20/18 8:51am

Kares

kindofblue said:

As nobody has pointed it out before: Tidal features a long, well recherched article about the 1995 - 2010 period, that includes new interviews with Michael B, Chuck Zwicky, Alan Light et al, which contain lots of information and anecdotes, some of which are new to me.

- Michael B says, Michael Jacksons HISTory inspired Prince to release Emancipation as a 3 CD Set.

- Alan Light says, Prince hurt his hip while on the ONA tour.

etc. ect.

Read here:

http://read.tidal.com/article/prince-decade-muse

.

I find it very hard to believe that in 1996 it was news to Prince that double albums get double sales figures, especially as he already had double albums in his own catalog.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #245 posted 08/20/18 10:59am

databank

Kares said:

kindofblue said:

As nobody has pointed it out before: Tidal features a long, well recherched article about the 1995 - 2010 period, that includes new interviews with Michael B, Chuck Zwicky, Alan Light et al, which contain lots of information and anecdotes, some of which are new to me.

- Michael B says, Michael Jacksons HISTory inspired Prince to release Emancipation as a 3 CD Set.

- Alan Light says, Prince hurt his hip while on the ONA tour.

etc. ect.

Read here:

http://read.tidal.com/article/prince-decade-muse

.

I find it very hard to believe that in 1996 it was news to Prince that double albums get double sales figures, especially as he already had double albums in his own catalog.

I'm a bit confused as to when this policy started: was it already the case in the LP era or was it established at some point in the late 80's/early 90's? Like, did 1999 LP's count as TWO sales while 1999 cassettes and, later on, CD's counted as ONE? Many a double LP was a single cassette and later became a single CD.

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #246 posted 08/20/18 2:21pm

luvsexy4all

any newer fans getting into the post 90's prince with this????

Reply #247 posted 08/20/18 2:45pm

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

.

I find it very hard to believe that in 1996 it was news to Prince that double albums get double sales figures, especially as he already had double albums in his own catalog.

I'm a bit confused as to when this policy started: was it already the case in the LP era or was it established at some point in the late 80's/early 90's? Like, did 1999 LP's count as TWO sales while 1999 cassettes and, later on, CD's counted as ONE? Many a double LP was a single cassette and later became a single CD.

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RIAA was double-counting double albums in the '60s already, so yes, LP sales of '1999' were counted double, while the cassette and CD versions of the same album only count once.

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Reply #248 posted 08/20/18 4:07pm

alandail

Shouldn't ANthology have it's own thread?

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Reply #249 posted 08/20/18 7:15pm

206Michelle

OperatingThetan said:

206Michelle said:


Even if his greatest gift was something other than the guitar, to even suggest that Prince was not an elite guitar player is ridiculous!!!


Agreed.

It may have been awkwardly worded, but it's certainly not the assertion to make in that kind of article and never needed to be mentioned in that way.

We know what Prince was capable of but the article is targeted at the uninitiated. I wouldn't want an unfamiliar person coming away from that article thinking that Prince's own drummer thought he wasn't a great guitar player. Prince doesn't get enough credit as a multi-instrumentalist from the general public as it is.

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yes, precisely OT!!!
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Reply #250 posted 08/21/18 2:36am

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

I'm a bit confused as to when this policy started: was it already the case in the LP era or was it established at some point in the late 80's/early 90's? Like, did 1999 LP's count as TWO sales while 1999 cassettes and, later on, CD's counted as ONE? Many a double LP was a single cassette and later became a single CD.

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RIAA was double-counting double albums in the '60s already, so yes, LP sales of '1999' were counted double, while the cassette and CD versions of the same album only count once.

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Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copies in the US rolleyes

A COMPREHENSIVE PRINCE DISCOGRAPHY (work in progress ^^): https://sites.google.com/...iscog/home
Reply #251 posted 08/21/18 3:47am

Kares

databank said:

Kares said:

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RIAA was double-counting double albums in the '60s already, so yes, LP sales of '1999' were counted double, while the cassette and CD versions of the same album only count once.

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Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copies in the US rolleyes

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Yup. The same goes for SOTT, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, prince. We simply don't know how many copies they really sold – at least I don't know, but I haven't researched it either as I don't care about stuff like that. Someone might be able to find the actual sales figures though (and not just the certifications).
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Anyway, by 1996 Prince had already released 5 double albums in the US (The Gold Experience was also a double LP but was only released commercially in Europe) so I'm not buying the story of him being surprised in 1996 to learn that double albums count twice the sales.

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[Edited 8/21/18 5:08am]

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Reply #252 posted 08/21/18 5:22am

databank

Kares said:

databank said:

Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copies in the US rolleyes

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Yup. The same goes for SOTT, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, prince. We simply don't know how many copies they really sold – at least I don't know, but I haven't researched it either as I don't care about stuff like that. Someone might be able to find the actual sales figures though (and not just the certifications).
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Anyway, by 1996 Prince had already released 5 double albums in the US (The Gold Experience was also a double LP but was only released commercially in Europe) so I'm not buying the story of him being surprised in 1996 to learn that double albums count twice the sales.

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[Edited 8/21/18 5:08am]

Who knows... Prince was sometimes reported as being very down to earth when it comes to business, and other times as being completely disconnected from practical matters. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

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Reply #253 posted 08/21/18 6:36am

leecaldon

rogifan said:

leecaldon said:

Those are all pretty reasonable assertions to make, and fairly mainstream thinking. The comment on Lovesexy would be the only questionable one for me.

Im sorry but IMO these “notes” should be generic and not full of opinion. They shouldn’t include words like unremarkable or bizarre.

I remember Tidal having something similar when Prince launched with them.

Reply #254 posted 08/21/18 6:40am

leecaldon

rogifan said:

206Michelle said:
dustoff said:
I don’t want to sound like I’m bitching, but why wasn’t the anthology 1994 to 2010? Dark and The Most Beautiful Girl in the World should be on this anthology. I know that TMBGITW was on the 4ever compilation. . For the most part, I think the tracks selected are good. But Colonized Mind needs to be on here because it is a masterful track. Also, where is Future Baby Mama; He won a Grammy for that song. . Also, why does the album stop at 2010?
Yeah I don’t know why it stops at 2010. Also I Like It There should be on here. He played it quite a bit live in the later years.

It stops at 2010 because that's where that time period covers the music that has just been made available on Spotify.

Reply #255 posted 08/21/18 9:21am

sexton

thisisreece said:

206Michelle said:

OperatingThetan said: “If you can see the finish line before you start the race, that’s a true artist,” Bland says of the period, and Prince’s ability to capture our attention, even now, with these records. “His greatest gift was his inspiration and his creativity, because it’s not that he was a great guitar player, for instance, it’s what he was able to say with it.”[/i] OT, I read it the same way as you did. Michael Bland is suggesting that Prince was not a great guitar player, and I think that MB is out of his damn mind for making that suggestion!!! Seriously, has he lost his mind?!?! Prince was an ELITE electric guitar player, one of the greatest of the 20th and 21st centuries.

Come on - that's totally not what he's saying! He's saying the reason that we all are all so invested in Prince isn't that he was an immensely skilled guitar player (not that he wasn't, but Bland seems to commenting on this because it's often the first thing a lot of people talk about when discussing Prince's greatness), rather it was his creativeness and the unusual and interesting things he was able to conceive in his music.


This is clearly what Bland meant. I don't know how anyone could interpret it differently.

Reply #256 posted 08/21/18 11:18am

TwiliteKid

sexton said:

thisisreece said:

Come on - that's totally not what he's saying! He's saying the reason that we all are all so invested in Prince isn't that he was an immensely skilled guitar player (not that he wasn't, but Bland seems to commenting on this because it's often the first thing a lot of people talk about when discussing Prince's greatness), rather it was his creativeness and the unusual and interesting things he was able to conceive in his music.


This is clearly what Bland meant. I don't know how anyone could interpret it differently.

Reading comprehension is an issue for many Prince fans.

Reply #257 posted 08/21/18 2:02pm

RODSERLING

databank said:

 



Kares said:


 



databank said:


 


I'm a bit confused as to when this policy started: was it already the case in the LP era or was it established at some point in the late 80's/early 90's? Like, did 1999 LP's count as TWO sales while 1999 cassettes and, later on, CD's counted as ONE? Many a double LP was a single cassette and later became a single CD.



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RIAA was double-counting double albums in the '60s already, so yes, LP sales of '1999' were counted double, while the cassette and CD versions of the same album only count once. 


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Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copiés in the US rolleyes



OMG. You are all terribly wrong.
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RIAA made it perfectly clear that every album released from 1982 onwards be counted twice, to the only condition : to have more than 100 minutes lenght.
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Why 1982? À little History lesson : that s the year when the CD format was released.
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So was 1999 released before 1982? No.
Does 1999 last more than 100 minutes? No.
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Why was it certifiéd 4 millions in 1999? Because by this time, there was at least four millions copies of the album shipped.
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In fact,had 1999 been released in 1981, it would have been certified 9*P by now.
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RIAA Always regarded 1999 as à one disc album.
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Same thing for SOTT, which in my World never lasted more than 80 minutes.
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People talking about GOLD or Diamonds to be certifiéd twice for two LP doesn t know what they are talking about.
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Reply #258 posted 08/21/18 2:18pm

RODSERLING

databank said:

 



Kares said:


 



databank said:


 


Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copies in the US rolleyes



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Yup. The same goes for SOTT, Graffiti Bridge, Diamonds & Pearls, prince. We simply don't know how many copies they really sold – at least I don't know, but I haven't researched it either as I don't care about stuff like that. Someone might be able to find the actual sales figures though (and not just the certifications).
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Anyway, by 1996 Prince had already released 5 double albums in the US (The Gold Experience was also a double LP but was only released commercially in Europe) so I'm not buying the story of him being surprised in 1996 to learn that double albums count twice the sales.


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[Edited 8/21/18 5:08am]



Who knows... Prince was sometimes reported as being very down to earth when it comes to business, and other times as being completely disconnected from practical matters. The truth is probably somewhere in between.



The Hits was certifiéd in décember of 1993 Platinum for 333.333 copies sold.
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So by 1995 and the release of History, Prince was Well aware of this industry rule.
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What Bland implied, was that Prince decided, seeing the History marketing, to make huge fake official numbers by releasing à triple album .
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Reply #259 posted 08/22/18 7:20am

Kares

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

Thx for clarifying. That system is clearly ridiculous. It's hard to grasp what real sales for 1999 were, then, as cassette was actually as popular as LP in 1982. It was supposed to have reached 3M in 1985 then 4M in 1999, so if you count MC and CD it probably only sold about 2,5 to 3M copiés in the US rolleyes

OMG. You are all terribly wrong. . RIAA made it perfectly clear that every album released from 1982 onwards be counted twice, to the only condition : to have more than 100 minutes lenght. .

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OK, you're right – I forgot about the 100 mins criteria.

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Reply #260 posted 08/22/18 12:11pm

luvsexy4all

so if this garners a bunch of streams..will that mean they will release cds?

Reply #261 posted 08/22/18 11:27pm

RODSERLING

luvsexy4all said:

so if this garners a bunch of streams..will that mean they will release cds?



No. I had à slight hope, when they announced the deal two months ago, they would release one greatest Hits from this era in one or two CDs, to introduce this catalogue to new fans.
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Maybe it was at one point in the Works, but they Couldn t have TMBGITW. There are also many albums they Can t have in fact.
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So even in streaming they Can t have the hype needed.
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So far, this year sold only 20.000 copies in the US in the CD format (it performs better in vinyle!).
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1999, his best second selling album must have sold 5000 copies in CD So far.
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His others best sellers, such as Diamonds, Batman, etc. Sells only an average of 1000/2000 à year.
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What are the chances then to sell physically long forgotten albums without unreleased stuff in it? They Can t make money out of the physical format.
Reply #262 posted 08/23/18 1:53am

jaawwnn

Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.

Reply #263 posted 08/23/18 3:30am

Kares

If the Japanese can make money on rereleasing totally obscure albums as LP-replica CDs, recreating the original artwork with painstaking accuracy (incl. any postcards, inner sleeves, posters and anything the original release came with) in limited quantities of often just 1000, then I see absolutely no reason why a full catalog rerelease program for Prince's albums wouldn't be financially viable.

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Even his most obscure albums would easily sell at least 5000 worldwide with zero marketing, especially if they're beautifully made Japanese mini-LPs. Just imagine having his entire catalog as gorgeous, limited edition Japanese mini-LPs in 7" covers, as they did it for some Yes and ELP titles recently. (A 'Bitches Brew' SACD also just came out in 7" mini-LP cover and it's gorgeous, so is the Santana 'Lotus' package from last year.)

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[Edited 8/23/18 3:32am]

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Reply #264 posted 08/23/18 6:29am

RODSERLING

jaawwnn said:

Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.



You Can t absolutely compare Prince with a " forgotten 80 artist".
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Prince had multiple contracts that are impossible to deal with, except if you make à lot of money out of it.
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The various record companies that Prince or his estate dealt with, paid à lot of money for the rights of his music. That s why we fans are forever fucked.
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Even the lack of TMBGITW in the Sony catalogue, or some albums, Côme as a huge (Bad) surprise.
So the commercial interest in this deal is already killed.
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That s why WB doesn t want to bother investing money in à deluxe reissue, when they already Lost their money on PR deluxe.
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Reply #265 posted 08/23/18 7:05am

Kares

RODSERLING said:

jaawwnn said:

Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.

the commercial interest in this deal is already killed. . That s why WB doesn t want to bother investing money in à deluxe reissue, when they already Lost their money on PR deluxe. .

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.

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If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.

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Reply #266 posted 08/23/18 8:01am

MIRvmn

Kares said:

 



RODSERLING said:


jaawwnn said:

Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.



 the commercial interest in this deal is already killed. . That s why WB doesn t want to bother investing money in à deluxe reissue, when they already Lost their money on PR deluxe. .

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.


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If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.


Yes WB obviously wasn't satisfied with PR Deluxe and only released it cuz it was part of the 2014 deal. They were also pissed off cuz Prince refused to release it in 2014 when it was the 30th anniversary.
I do believe that at some point WB will release a much better box set with proper promotion cuz thay wanna milk Purple Rain as much as possible.
[Edited 8/23/18 8:02am]
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Reply #267 posted 08/23/18 8:23am

rdhull

MIRvmn said:

Kares said:

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.

.

If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.

Yes WB obviously wasn't satisfied with PR Deluxe and only released it cuz it was part of the 2014 deal. They were also pissed off cuz Prince refused to release it in 2014 when it was the 30th anniversary. I do believe that at some point WB will release a much better box set with proper promotion cuz thay wanna milk Purple Rain as much as possible. [Edited 8/23/18 8:02am]

and it still wont do large numbers

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #268 posted 08/23/18 8:33am

RODSERLING

MIRvmn said:

Kares said:

 



RODSERLING said:


jaawwnn said:

Of course they could make money, just not enough money. The most forgotten 80's pop artists get multiple disc re-releases.



 the commercial interest in this deal is already killed. . That s why WB doesn t want to bother investing money in à deluxe reissue, when they already Lost their money on PR deluxe. .

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.


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If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.


Yes WB obviously wasn't satisfied with PR Deluxe and only released it cuz it was part of the 2014 deal. They were also pissed off cuz Prince refused to release it in 2014 when it was the 30th anniversary.
I do believe that at some point WB will release a much better box set with proper promotion cuz thay wanna milk Purple Rain as much as possible.
[Edited 8/23/18 8:02am]


Highly unlikely.
They struggled for 3 years to release this unreleased material. And frankly, this was very good material overall, even if it didn t sound perfect for some tracks.
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What Can they release now? This was the first ever, long awaited and rumoured ( since at least 2004) Prince re-release. And it tanked commercially, because most of the fans didn t buy it.
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So I doubt, now that the physical market shrinked Again from 20% since last year, that WB Will release another deluxe reissue in the years to come. Let s be honest, fans Will keep on bitching about it, no matter what they would release anyway.
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WB wanted to make huge promotion about PR deluxe, but every plan was scrapped when the estate vetoed the 1st avenue release, remasterised in HD.
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Instead, the estate chose to make PR à flop, for unknown reasons, and not release 1st avenue at all.
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Reply #269 posted 08/23/18 11:29am

Kares

MIRvmn said:


Kares said:

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If WB lost money on PR Deluxe then it's because it was poorly produced. They didn't have access to the Paisley Park vault at that time, so (I don't care what anyone says but I trust my ears so I'm sure) they've resorted to sourcing the outtakes from their aging cassette copies, hence their poor audio quality. The tracklist should've been far more comprehensive. The booklet is a joke (even the layout and typography are horrible). The entire package is just so cheaply made. It's very far from a real box set Purple Rain would've deserved.

.

If they'd release a new, truly comprehensive and high quality Purple Rain box set next year (with everything, incl. the original album properly remastered, instead of using Prince's amateurish in-house remaster), they would make a ton of money on it. Highly unlikely though, of course, I'm just daydreaming.

Yes WB obviously wasn't satisfied with PR Deluxe and only released it cuz it was part of the 2014 deal.

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Do we know that PR Deluxe was part of the '14 deal? I don't think so. As far as I'm aware only the remaster of the original album was part of the deal, that's what Prince gave them, without any bonus material. All the added stuff was just Warner's decision, with no involvement from the estate (apart from getting their approval) and with no access to Paisley's vault.

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Reply #270 posted 08/23/18 2:48pm

luvsexy4all

but how come he is the ONLY major artist not to have rereleases wih bonus tracks?

Reply #271 posted 08/23/18 4:11pm

luvsexy4all

but releasing the 37 track anthology on CD should create more interest...

Reply #272 posted 08/23/18 5:40pm

Ugot2shakesumthin

luvsexy4all said:

but releasing the 37 track anthology on CD should create more interest...



Find enough people who still own a CD player willing to buy it to cover the cost of making them.

I honestly, without being sarcastic I ow of anyone still buying or even owning a CD player. Might as well just burn money than make CDs
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Reply #273 posted 08/23/18 7:44pm

sro100

In this crazy new world of streaming "sales" does Anthology count as a new Prince album? Is it eligible to chart on Billboard as an "album"? Whatever "album" means now?

Reply #274 posted 08/23/18 9:27pm

amokeru

Kares said:

If the Japanese can make money on rereleasing totally obscure albums as LP-replica CDs, recreating the original artwork with painstaking accuracy (incl. any postcards, inner sleeves, posters and anything the original release came with) in limited quantities of often just 1000, then I see absolutely no reason why a full catalog rerelease program for Prince's albums wouldn't be financially viable.

.

Even his most obscure albums would easily sell at least 5000 worldwide with zero marketing, especially if they're beautifully made Japanese mini-LPs. Just imagine having his entire catalog as gorgeous, limited edition Japanese mini-LPs in 7" covers, as they did it for some Yes and ELP titles recently. (A 'Bitches Brew' SACD also just came out in 7" mini-LP cover and it's gorgeous, so is the Santana 'Lotus' package from last year.)

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[Edited 8/23/18 3:32am]




In Japan, 80 percent of sales are still physical CD, that's why we're still getting a lot of re-released/re-packeging deluxe edition CD with sometimes bonus tracks etc. Most of them are really collectable and people here care about products in detail.

http://www.tokyoreview.net/2018/05/its-slow-streaming-for-music-services-in-japan/




Reply #275 posted 08/23/18 9:33pm

Ugot2shakesumthin

There is no format i am glad has died like the CD. Always hated those things. Good riddance.
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Reply #276 posted 08/24/18 12:09am

RODSERLING

sro100 said:

In this crazy new world of streaming "sales" does Anthology count as a new Prince album?  Is it eligible to chart on Billboard as an "album"?  Whatever "album" means now?



Of course. But too long to generate à lot of streaming. That is fucking non sense what they did with the anthology.

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Seriously, Who in the masses are gonna stand 28 minutes of NEWS? Lol
Reply #277 posted 08/24/18 2:08am

Urine

This collection is cool, I think I prefer this to 4ever.
Reply #278 posted 08/24/18 2:33am

RODSERLING

Urine said:

This collection is cool, I think I prefer this to 4ever.


I think this collection Miss the point of what à greatest Hits is supposed to be: attract à large audience.

My Guess is that if they had the rights of TMBGITW, they would have released instead à more conventional greatest Hits with Holy River, etc.
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Surely, they would have released it physically.
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Since they Couldn t, they chose to go with à more "artistical" than à commercial approach.
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This anthology is Way too long, and won t impact much the charts. Without impacting the charts, they Can t atract à lot of people to stream the rest of the catalogue.
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So they clearly missed the point. Every fan Can make their own playlist, regarding their tastes.
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Reply #279 posted 08/24/18 2:59am

Funkyalien

Are there flac files of these releases somewhere, or are we doomed to listen to prince’s latter day output only in lossy mp3 or aac? Shudder to think a generation exists who don’t know the difference between a cd and a lossy mp3. Any news of hi-res releases on hdtracks, etc?
Funky alien
Reply #280 posted 08/24/18 3:01am

jaawwnn

If i recall correctly you can buy whatever ones you don't have in FLAC form from Tidal. There was a question over what the source on either the Slaughterhouse or The Chocolate Invasion (but not both) was because it seemed to be mp3 sourced.

Reply #281 posted 08/24/18 3:28am

Funkyalien

jaawwnn said:

If i recall correctly you can buy whatever ones you don't have in FLAC form from Tidal. There was a question over what the source on either the Slaughterhouse or The Chocolate Invasion (but not both) was because it seemed to be mp3 sourced.



The tidal ones are the original releases. I meant the new sony/legacy ones. Surely they have lossless or hi-res masters somewhere? Why not release them on hi-res and vinyl? I’m sure many princeophiles will buy physical releases or hi-res downloads.
Funky alien
Reply #282 posted 08/24/18 3:46am

jaawwnn

Funkyalien said:

jaawwnn said:

If i recall correctly you can buy whatever ones you don't have in FLAC form from Tidal. There was a question over what the source on either the Slaughterhouse or The Chocolate Invasion (but not both) was because it seemed to be mp3 sourced.

The tidal ones are the original releases. I meant the new sony/legacy ones. Surely they have lossless or hi-res masters somewhere? Why not release them on hi-res and vinyl? I’m sure many princeophiles will buy physical releases or hi-res downloads.

D'ye think they're different sources? I kind of assumed these are the same files that have been sitting around for years, or at least since Prince's camp sent them to Tidal, just waiting to be made available. A vinyl and hi-res series would be a good idea alright.

Reply #283 posted 08/24/18 4:56am

Funkyalien

jaawwnn said:

Funkyalien said:

jaawwnn said: The tidal ones are the original releases. I meant the new sony/legacy ones. Surely they have lossless or hi-res masters somewhere? Why not release them on hi-res and vinyl? I’m sure many princeophiles will buy physical releases or hi-res downloads.

D'ye think they're different sources? I kind of assumed these are the same files that have been sitting around for years, or at least since Prince's camp sent them to Tidal, just waiting to be made available. A vinyl and hi-res series would be a good idea alright.

I don't know what to think, need an expert on this. I assume they are the same sources, but sony/legacy has the rights now, so it is they who will have to release it in whatever lossless form they chose to. Hey, I don't mind properly upsampled stuff either!!

Anybody here with some info on whether at all we will get un-lossy versions of these albums? It's a bad trend, releasing such 78% or 80% lossy compressed files for streaming services, and making them the only source. Some of us listen on good speakers!

I very much liked the warner hi-res releases of the first few albums on hd tracks which were later removed. I think only 'for you' is there now from that lot. Some believe these were upsampled to 24/192, but they sound really, really good. No brickwalling, nice dynamic range, nice pleasant volume.

Funky alien
Reply #284 posted 08/24/18 6:31am

Kares

amokeru said:

Kares said:

If the Japanese can make money on rereleasing totally obscure albums as LP-replica CDs, recreating the original artwork with painstaking accuracy (incl. any postcards, inner sleeves, posters and anything the original release came with) in limited quantities of often just 1000, then I see absolutely no reason why a full catalog rerelease program for Prince's albums wouldn't be financially viable.

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Even his most obscure albums would easily sell at least 5000 worldwide with zero marketing, especially if they're beautifully made Japanese mini-LPs. Just imagine having his entire catalog as gorgeous, limited edition Japanese mini-LPs in 7" covers, as they did it for some Yes and ELP titles recently. (A 'Bitches Brew' SACD also just came out in 7" mini-LP cover and it's gorgeous, so is the Santana 'Lotus' package from last year.)

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[Edited 8/23/18 3:32am]

In Japan, 80 percent of sales are still physical CD, that's why we're still getting a lot of re-released/re-packeging deluxe edition CD with sometimes bonus tracks etc. Most of them are really collectable and people here care about products in detail.

http://www.tokyoreview.net/2018/05/its-slow-streaming-for-music-services-in-japan/

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I don't doubt that.
But we're talking about the profitability of producing CDs, not about market trends or market shares.
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My point was that even in Japan, where limited edition LP-replica CDs are manufactured to obsessively high standards, often even matching the cardboard stock used for the paper sleeve to the one used for the first LP edition of an album, paying attention to using the right type of lacquer, reproducing every feature of the original first edition LP, they are able to make a profit on a limited run as low as only 1000 copies.
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Adding a zip to 'Sticky Fingers', recreating the rotating disc of 'Led Zeppelin III' or the see-through box and prints of 'Speaking In Tongues' all cost a lot of money. Yet they are able to make small runs of these unique editions and still make a profit. So I am not buying the popular argument that printing CDs is not worth it today for record companies. It is – you just have to produce them to a very high standard and a modestly sized run WILL sell like hotcakes for collectors. Of course they won't make millions for the record company, but they CAN be financially viable even if they only make 5000 per title.
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[Edited 8/24/18 6:32am]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

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Reply #285 posted 08/24/18 6:57am

Kares

Funkyalien said:

jaawwnn said:

D'ye think they're different sources? I kind of assumed these are the same files that have been sitting around for years, or at least since Prince's camp sent them to Tidal, just waiting to be made available. A vinyl and hi-res series would be a good idea alright.

I don't know what to think, need an expert on this. I assume they are the same sources, but sony/legacy has the rights now, so it is they who will have to release it in whatever lossless form they chose to. Hey, I don't mind properly upsampled stuff either!!

Anybody here with some info on whether at all we will get un-lossy versions of these albums? It's a bad trend, releasing such 78% or 80% lossy compressed files for streaming services, and making them the only source. Some of us listen on good speakers!

I very much liked the warner hi-res releases of the first few albums on hd tracks which were later removed. I think only 'for you' is there now from that lot. Some believe these were upsampled to 24/192, but they sound really, really good. No brickwalling, nice dynamic range, nice pleasant volume.

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There is no such thing as a "properly upsampled" mp3. The information you've lost during the conversion to mp3 cannot be magically recreated in another conversion, and a mushy-sounding high (or low) range cannot be cleared up to be clean and punchy again. (And sorry, but "unlossy" is not a word. "Lossless" compression is the proper term.)
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Quite often upsampling is a useful process in audio engineering – but it is not used to try to make an mp3 sound better. Upsampling is used, for example, when I want to work on a 16bit/48kHz file (because that's all I have from a DAT-cassette), but I want to avoid a loss of quality every time I make even just the tiniest adjustment to the file, such as adding a fade-out. Some people think that working with a digital audio file is "safe", assuming that you can do anything to it within an audio editor it will retain its quality. Cannot be further from the truth. So to minimize the cascading, degrading effect of the various processes I will apply to the file, first I will upsample it to at least 24bit/96kHz resolution, even if the final product will be a 16bit/44.1kHz CD. So upsampling is only for the work process, and then the final version is downsampled/dithered back to the lower resolution. But this is a totally different subject to mp3-compression.

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Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #286 posted 08/24/18 11:13am

Funkyalien

Kares said:

Funkyalien said:

I don't know what to think, need an expert on this. I assume they are the same sources, but sony/legacy has the rights now, so it is they who will have to release it in whatever lossless form they chose to. Hey, I don't mind properly upsampled stuff either!!

Anybody here with some info on whether at all we will get un-lossy versions of these albums? It's a bad trend, releasing such 78% or 80% lossy compressed files for streaming services, and making them the only source. Some of us listen on good speakers!

I very much liked the warner hi-res releases of the first few albums on hd tracks which were later removed. I think only 'for you' is there now from that lot. Some believe these were upsampled to 24/192, but they sound really, really good. No brickwalling, nice dynamic range, nice pleasant volume.

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There is no such thing as a "properly upsampled" mp3. The information you've lost during the conversion to mp3 cannot be magically recreated in another conversion, and a mushy-sounding high (or low) range cannot be cleared up to be clean and punchy again. (And sorry, but "unlossy" is not a word. "Lossless" compression is the proper term.)
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Quite often upsampling is a useful process in audio engineering – but it is not used to try to make an mp3 sound better. Upsampling is used, for example, when I want to work on a 16bit/48kHz file (because that's all I have from a DAT-cassette), but I want to avoid a loss of quality every time I make even just the tiniest adjustment to the file, such as adding a fade-out. Some people think that working with a digital audio file is "safe", assuming that you can do anything to it within an audio editor it will retain its quality. Cannot be further from the truth. So to minimize the cascading, degrading effect of the various processes I will apply to the file, first I will upsample it to at least 24bit/96kHz resolution, even if the final product will be a 16bit/44.1kHz CD. So upsampling is only for the work process, and then the final version is downsampled/dithered back to the lower resolution. But this is a totally different subject to mp3-compression.

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Wasn't taklking about upsampling mp3s. Was talking about upsampling the lossless (16/44.1) to 24-192. Even that doesn't add extra info, but many say a lot of hi-res releases are upsampled from CD quality this way. Snake oil, probably. As for mp3, you can't do anything with them!

Funky alien
Reply #287 posted 08/25/18 1:58am

KAB

RODSERLING said:

Urine said:
This collection is cool, I think I prefer this to 4ever.
I think this collection Miss the point of what à greatest Hits is supposed to be: attract à large audience. My Guess is that if they had the rights of TMBGITW, they would have released instead à more conventional greatest Hits with Holy River, etc. . Surely, they would have released it physically. . Since they Couldn t, they chose to go with à more "artistical" than à commercial approach. . This anthology is Way too long, and won t impact much the charts. Without impacting the charts, they Can t atract à lot of people to stream the rest of the catalogue. . So they clearly missed the point. Every fan Can make their own playlist, regarding their tastes. [Edited 8/24/18 2:39am]

Agreed.

In no way can this be a greatest hits, as its missing some hits! And includes many tracks which, although maybe ok, were never singles and a matter of personal taste whether they would appeal to the average listener.

Reply #288 posted 08/25/18 4:29am

akaexodus

RODSERLING said:

sro100 said:

In this crazy new world of streaming "sales" does Anthology count as a new Prince album? Is it eligible to chart on Billboard as an "album"? Whatever "album" means now?

Of course. But too long to generate à lot of streaming. That is fucking non sense what they did with the anthology. . Seriously, Who in the masses are gonna stand 28 minutes of NEWS? Lol

Me biggrin

Reply #289 posted 08/25/18 6:28am

fabriziovenerandi

RODSERLING said:

sro100 said:

In this crazy new world of streaming "sales" does Anthology count as a new Prince album? Is it eligible to chart on Billboard as an "album"? Whatever "album" means now?

Of course. But too long to generate à lot of streaming. That is fucking non sense what they did with the anthology. . Seriously, Who in the masses are gonna stand 28 minutes of NEWS? Lol

28 minutes?

I see only West, 14 minutes.

Reply #290 posted 08/25/18 8:20am

vgjelec

I want the CD, vinyl and K7 biggrin
Reply #291 posted 08/25/18 9:43am

RJP1205

Streaming from YouTube through my TV today while I do my housework...had to stop for Guitar and dance while my son laughed at me... I'm loving this!
Reply #292 posted 08/25/18 9:55am

skywalker

Anyone able to create a better 1995-2010 Anthology in terms of sequencing and song choice? Are we allowed to share spotify(etc.) playlists here?

[Edited 8/25/18 10:28am]

"New Power slide...."
Reply #293 posted 08/25/18 2:06pm

rdhull

Anthologies arent typically always consisting of only singles released/greatest hits.

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #294 posted 08/25/18 6:43pm

RODSERLING

akaexodus said:

 



RODSERLING said:


sro100 said:

In this crazy new world of streaming "sales" does Anthology count as a new Prince album?  Is it eligible to chart on Billboard as an "album"?  Whatever "album" means now?



Of course. But too long to generate à lot of streaming. That is fucking non sense what they did with the anthology. . Seriously, Who in the masses are gonna stand 28 minutes of NEWS? Lol

Me biggrin



You re not included- in the "masses", the large audience. You re a Prince fan, and you already own these albums.
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That s not what this deal was supposed to be.
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For the record, there is one country, and only one in the world, ten days After the release, where this anthology charted : in Belgium, at #114, with équivalent sales of about 50 copies.
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Reply #295 posted 08/25/18 6:46pm

RODSERLING

fabriziovenerandi said:

 



RODSERLING said:


sro100 said:

In this crazy new world of streaming "sales" does Anthology count as a new Prince album?  Is it eligible to chart on Billboard as an "album"?  Whatever "album" means now?



Of course. But too long to generate à lot of streaming. That is fucking non sense what they did with the anthology. . Seriously, Who in the masses are gonna stand 28 minutes of NEWS? Lol

 


 


28 minutes? 


 


I see only West, 14 minutes.



You re right! In my fucked up mind, I have mistaken Northside in the tracklist with "North".
Reply #296 posted 08/25/18 6:54pm

RODSERLING

rdhull said:

Anthologies arent typically always consisting of only singles released/greatest hits.



So what s the point then? I don t think this collection highlights Prince s carreer from this era.
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The tracks are clearly randomly chose, and it lacks many important tracks from this era. It is also Way too long to generate interest for the new and large audience, and contains not enough rare / unreleased tracks to generate interest for the fans.
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The poorly Way this catalogue is treated is really disappointing for Prince ' legacy.
Reply #297 posted 08/25/18 8:36pm

rdhull

RODSERLING said:

rdhull said:

Anthologies arent typically always consisting of only singles released/greatest hits.

So what s the point then? I don t think this collection highlights Prince s carreer from this era. . The tracks are clearly randomly chose, and it lacks many important tracks from this era. It is also Way too long to generate interest for the new and large audience, and contains not enough rare / unreleased tracks to generate interest for the fans. . The poorly Way this catalogue is treated is really disappointing for Prince ' legacy.

The release is fine. Its as any other Anthology from most other artists. Anthologies are like that. Seemingly random. Missing and including 'important tracks.'

Thats why they are called Anthologis and not Kitchen Sinks or Wholekitnkaboodle

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #298 posted 08/26/18 4:34am

leecaldon

rdhull said:

RODSERLING said:

rdhull said: So what s the point then? I don t think this collection highlights Prince s carreer from this era. . The tracks are clearly randomly chose, and it lacks many important tracks from this era. It is also Way too long to generate interest for the new and large audience, and contains not enough rare / unreleased tracks to generate interest for the fans. . The poorly Way this catalogue is treated is really disappointing for Prince ' legacy.

The release is fine. Its as any other Anthology from most other artists. Anthologies are like that. Seemingly random. Missing and including 'important tracks.'

Thats why they are called Anthologis and not Kitchen Sinks or Wholekitnkaboodle

The tracks clearly are not randomly chosen. As much as any of us may disagree with the selection, someone obviously put some thought into it.

Reply #299 posted 08/26/18 4:36am

Moonbeam

I’ve had fun listening to Anthology. Yeah, I can quibble with the tracklist here and there, but it does a pretty good job of summarizing his career from 1995-2010. If anything, it may not be representative of how much spiritual content he released during that time, but I still have enjoyed it.
Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #300 posted 08/26/18 7:14am

206Michelle

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

luvsexy4all said:

but releasing the 37 track anthology on CD should create more interest...



Find enough people who still own a CD player willing to buy it to cover the cost of making them.

I honestly, without being sarcastic I ow of anyone still buying or even owning a CD player. Might as well just burn money than make CDs

Many laptops and most desktop computers have CD players.
Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
Reply #301 posted 08/26/18 8:21am

Ugot2shakesumthin

206Michelle said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:



Find enough people who still own a CD player willing to buy it to cover the cost of making them.

I honestly, without being sarcastic I ow of anyone still buying or even owning a CD player. Might as well just burn money than make CDs

Many laptops and most desktop computers have CD players.



New ones? No
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Reply #302 posted 08/26/18 12:20pm

Funkyalien

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

206Michelle said:
Many laptops and most desktop computers have CD players.
New ones? No

Honestly, those who don't collect lossless music or vinyl and are happy with cheap earbuds and mp3, they don't listen to music on proper gear and don't care about the sound or even about archiving their music. For them, convenience trumps quality, and they're the vast majority. There, I've said it.

I've even known a friend who bought a fat ass expensive bose wifi speaker, connected an amazon echo dot to that via bluetooth, and streamed amazon 256 mp3. I cannot imagine the further degradation in quality. What he was finally receiving through the bose was transcoded to sbc codec, and could not have been more than 160 kbps, if that. Harsh treble, sibilance, swooshy cymbals. But does anyone know the difference, right?

"Who wants to shove in a cd every time," was his justification. Well, bless his psychoacoustic algorithmic soul, more fool him.

If you're listening on half-decent amps and a set of good bookshelf or especially tower speakers, trust me you'll like the subtle difference. Music should not be about convenience. Listen to 'prince' (the album) on itunes aac, then listen to the original vinyl. Or even the hdtracks hi-res through a set of half-decent headphones. You'll ace them in a blind abx test every time. Mastering, equipment and ears all make a difference.

Plus, for archival purposes, I like my music lossless or hi-res. Then I can transcode into any format I like, and I'm future proof.

I don't like this trend of VERY important prince music being available only as 320 mp3 (google play store, which seems to add some eq to boost midrange, at the expense of some drum-kick and standard bass, to put it simply) and 256 cvbr aac (itunes).

Where are my originals?

[Edited 8/26/18 12:21pm]

[Edited 8/26/18 12:36pm]

Funky alien
Reply #303 posted 08/26/18 12:24pm

Funkyalien

did i add that the google play store new sony/legacy prince mp3s, though cheaper than itunes, is encoded via fraunhofer and not even lame?

Funky alien
Reply #304 posted 08/26/18 6:46pm

djThunderfunk

Funkyalien said:

did i add that the google play store new sony/legacy prince mp3s, though cheaper than itunes, is encoded via fraunhofer and not even lame?

doh!

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
Reply #305 posted 08/26/18 7:36pm

rdhull

leecaldon said:

rdhull said:

The release is fine. Its as any other Anthology from most other artists. Anthologies are like that. Seemingly random. Missing and including 'important tracks.'

Thats why they are called Anthologis and not Kitchen Sinks or Wholekitnkaboodle

The tracks clearly are not randomly chosen. As much as any of us may disagree with the selection, someone obviously put some thought into it.

Thats why I said 'seemingly random'..because thats what folks are harping on. Of course decisions were made about every song placed on it. Im aware that they werent chosen by a dart board throw.

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #306 posted 08/26/18 11:03pm

Lovejunky

rdhull said:

leecaldon said:

The tracks clearly are not randomly chosen. As much as any of us may disagree with the selection, someone obviously put some thought into it.

Thats why I said 'seemingly random'..because thats what folks are harping on. Of course decisions were made about every song placed on it. Im aware that they werent chosen by a dart board throw.

Are you sure...? tease

“LOVE IS THE MASTERPLAN”
Reply #307 posted 08/27/18 5:14am

rdhull

Lovejunky said:

rdhull said:

Thats why I said 'seemingly random'..because thats what folks are harping on. Of course decisions were made about every song placed on it. Im aware that they werent chosen by a dart board throw.

Are you sure...? tease

lol

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #308 posted 08/27/18 2:37pm

dodger

rdhull said:

 



Lovejunky said:


 



rdhull said:


 


Thats why I said 'seemingly random'..because thats what folks are harping on. Of course decisions were made about every song placed on it.  Im aware that they werent chosen by a dart board throw.



Are you sure...?  tease



lol



The selection of We March makes a dart board throw feasible
Reply #309 posted 08/27/18 4:33pm

OperatingThetan

dodger said:

rdhull said:

 



Lovejunky said:


 



rdhull said:


 


Thats why I said 'seemingly random'..because thats what folks are harping on. Of course decisions were made about every song placed on it.  Im aware that they werent chosen by a dart board throw.



Are you sure...?  tease



lol



The selection of We March makes a dart board throw feasible


It's a terrible choice for a closing track and is arguably the weakest song on 'The Gold Experience'; certainly the only track on that album I'd consider inessential.

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[Edited 8/27/18 16:36pm]
Reply #310 posted 08/28/18 4:21am

leecaldon

OperatingThetan said:

dodger said:
The selection of We March makes a dart board throw feasible
It's a terrible choice for a closing track and is arguably the weakest song on 'The Gold Experience'; certainly the only track on that album I'd consider inessential. * [Edited 8/27/18 16:36pm]

That is a very strange selection. At least there is symbolic reasoning for opening with Emancipation, evne if it makes no sense musically.

Reply #311 posted 08/28/18 5:42am

wasitgood4u

Most has been said but I’ll reiterate:
Exciting release and glad it’s out there. Interesting and diverse track list that will invite as much criticism as any other they’d come up with. I have faults with it but glad it’s surprising and a good intro. (Fury? Love? Dance for Me?(

Excellent news that the stuff is streaming. I’ve got virtually everything but never joined NPGMC and never heard Indigo Nights.

Re the Italian song: its chorus is the same as TMBGITW midsection right? Could this be why it’s spoken in the remixes?
"We've never been able to pull off a funk number"

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Reply #312 posted 08/28/18 6:17am

Funkyalien

wasitgood4u said:

Re the Italian song: its chorus is the same as TMBGITW midsection right? Could this be why it’s spoken in the remixes?

I'd like to know a bit more about this too. Is it that blatant?

Funky alien
Reply #313 posted 08/28/18 7:20am

Silvertongue7

Funkyalien said:

 



wasitgood4u said:


Re the Italian song: its chorus is the same as TMBGITW midsection right? Could this be why it’s spoken in the remixes?

I'd like to know a bit more about this too. Is it that blatant?


Personally I think that there’s no way Prince knew that song. But it is true that there is a bit that sounds exactly like the main Melody of TMBGITW. It’s only a few notes, so on my opinion it is a coincidence, but the similarity is there.
Reply #314 posted 08/28/18 4:50pm

luvsexy4all

Silvertongue7 said:

Funkyalien said:

I'd like to know a bit more about this too. Is it that blatant?

Personally I think that there’s no way Prince knew that song. But it is true that there is a bit that sounds exactly like the main Melody of TMBGITW. It’s only a few notes, so on my opinion it is a coincidence, but the similarity is there.

but the brian mcknight song "U" is more like TMBGITW

Reply #315 posted 08/28/18 7:55pm

rdhull

leecaldon said:

OperatingThetan said:

dodger said: It's a terrible choice for a closing track and is arguably the weakest song on 'The Gold Experience'; certainly the only track on that album I'd consider inessential. * [Edited 8/27/18 16:36pm]

That is a very strange selection. At least there is symbolic reasoning for opening with Emancipation, evne if it makes no sense musically.

It's not strange. It's inclusion is probably due to the Estate wnting a representative song that shows his political black awareness side etc. Having it included at the end is inconsequential. Yall wanted the end song to be The Love We Make. lol

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Reply #316 posted 08/29/18 9:26am

Se7en

From a graphic design standpoint, I like the way the symbol is comprised of all of the later album covers, similar to how the original looked up to 1992.

I wonder if anyone would be able to do one of the entire discography?

Reply #317 posted 08/29/18 11:33am

RodeoSchro

The Anthology playlist is AWESOME.

If the idea was to put together a playlist that would introduce the casual fan to Prince's lesser-known gems as a way to generate interest from those consumers in stuff they have never heard before (i.e., the vault), then Mission Accomplished.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
Reply #318 posted 08/29/18 3:58pm

RODSERLING

luvsexy4all said:

 



Silvertongue7 said:


Funkyalien said:

 


I'd like to know a bit more about this too. Is it that blatant?



Personally I think that there’s no way Prince would k
new that song. But it is true that there is a bit that sounds exactly like the main Melody of TMBGITW. It’s only a few notes, so on my opinion it is a coincidence, but the similarity is there.

but the brian mcknight song "U" is more like TMBGITW



Not that obvious at all! And " You " was released in 1995, one year TMBGITW.
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So not relevant here.
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Personnally, I think it must be à coïncidence because Raynard J. Hasn t even a wiki page, not even in italian.
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This song never charted at all, anywhere in the World. It was an underground song (great by the Way), broadcasted on underground italian radios in 1983.
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I highly doubt that song was broadcasted to the radios, not even once, After 1983. It would have been à succession of huge coïncidence s that Prince would be in Italy in 1983, heard this on an underground radio, and remembered it ten years later. I don t buy it.
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Same thing happened to MJ with Will you be there, accused of plagiarism from obscure italian composérs.
[Edited 8/29/18 16:03pm]
Reply #319 posted 08/29/18 4:01pm

RODSERLING

RodeoSchro said:

The Anthology playlist is AWESOME. 

If the idea was to put together a playlist that would introduce the casual fan to Prince's lesser-known gems as a way to generate interest from those consumers in stuff they have never heard before (i.e., the vault), then Mission Accomplished.



This mission is in fact far from being accomplished, because it only charted in one country in the World : #114 in Belgium.
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So from this point of view, this is a huge failure, and doesn t attract much streams.
Reply #320 posted 08/29/18 4:17pm

rdhull

RODSERLING said:

RodeoSchro said:

The Anthology playlist is AWESOME.

If the idea was to put together a playlist that would introduce the casual fan to Prince's lesser-known gems as a way to generate interest from those consumers in stuff they have never heard before (i.e., the vault), then Mission Accomplished.

This mission is in fact far from being accomplished, because it only charted in one country in the World : #114 in Belgium. . So from this point of view, this is a huge failure, and doesn t attract much streams.

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #321 posted 08/29/18 5:52pm

RodeoSchro

rdhull said:

RODSERLING said:

RodeoSchro said: This mission is in fact far from being accomplished, because it only charted in one country in the World : #114 in Belgium. . So from this point of view, this is a huge failure, and doesn t attract much streams.

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.



It's like Rod's post came from the Twilight Zone or something.

J/K Rod, but RD hit the nail on the head.

I listened to the Anthology playlist for the first time while working out the other day (which is what prompted this post). I've been a fan since literally Day 1 and have pretty much everything there is to have.

That playlist absolutely ROCKED my workout.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
Reply #322 posted 08/30/18 2:28am

Kares

rdhull said:

RODSERLING said:

RodeoSchro said: This mission is in fact far from being accomplished, because it only charted in one country in the World : #114 in Belgium. . So from this point of view, this is a huge failure, and doesn t attract much streams.

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.

.

pls see:

The Beatles: Anthology

Eric Clapton: Crossroads (box set)
James Brown: Star Time (box set)

The Beatles: 1962–1966, 1967–1970

The Rolling Stones: Singles Collection – The London Years (box set)

Bob Dylan: Biograph (box set)

The Allman Brothers Band: Dreams (box set)

Pink Floyd: Echoes

etc.

.

Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' is also a prime example of how an anthology should be compiled to be more than just the sum of its parts. It is brilliantly sequenced, it has flow, it sounds like how a real album should sound – as opposed to the totally unprofessional sequencing of Prince's 1995-2010 Anthology.

.

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #323 posted 08/30/18 3:18am

RODSERLING

rdhull said:

 



RODSERLING said:


RodeoSchro said:

The Anthology playlist is AWESOME. 

If the idea was to put together a playlist that would introduce the casual fan to Prince's lesser-known gems as a way to generate interest from those consumers in stuff they have never heard before (i.e., the vault), then Mission Accomplished.



This mission is in fact far from being accomplished, because it only charted in one country in the World : #114 in Belgium. . So from this point of view, this is a huge failure, and doesn t attract much streams.

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.



This anthology was supposed to highlight Prince s carreer in front of à large audience, only familiar with the WB material.
.
Such an "anthology" Can t do this job.
.
If they could have TMBGITW, they would have released à true greatest Hits instead, and surely even physically, in one or two CDs.
.
Without an impact on charts, it Will have only an impact with the fans...who already owns this music
.
Reply #324 posted 08/30/18 6:37am

RodeoSchro

RODSERLING said:

rdhull said:

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.

This anthology was supposed to highlight Prince s carreer in front of à large audience, only familiar with the WB material. . Such an "anthology" Can t do this job. . If they could have TMBGITW, they would have released à true greatest Hits instead, and surely even physically, in one or two CDs. . Without an impact on charts, it Will have only an impact with the fans...who already owns this music .




What strategy would you use in order to get others than fanatical fans like us to buy vault material when it's released?

I should say that I do not care one whit about chart positions or sales. They don't justify my admiration of Prince's music one bit. I just want the music out there, and I especially want the ability to buy videos of certain concerts.

So if the strategy behind this anthology was to intrigue casual or non-fans in advance of releasing never-before-heard music, then what excites me is the "releasing never-before-heard music" part.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
Reply #325 posted 08/30/18 6:39am

rdhull

Kares said:

rdhull said:

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.

.

pls see:

The Beatles: Anthology

Eric Clapton: Crossroads (box set)
James Brown: Star Time (box set)

The Beatles: 1962–1966, 1967–1970

The Rolling Stones: Singles Collection – The London Years (box set)

Bob Dylan: Biograph (box set)

The Allman Brothers Band: Dreams (box set)

Pink Floyd: Echoes

etc.

.

Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' is also a prime example of how an anthology should be compiled to be more than just the sum of its parts. It is brilliantly sequenced, it has flow, it sounds like how a real album should sound – as opposed to the totally unprofessional sequencing of Prince's 1995-2010 Anthology.

.

Those are BOXED SETS. Except the Beatles anthology. Everything about them is an event in the rockist music world. You KNOW that. The other box sets were events yes but they arent anthologies so miss me with the aha I gotcha nonsense.

This anthology is simply part of the collection of songs from the new cds from 95 on that are now vaialble widely and publicly. I know you and others want primo curation and releases (and that will come in due time) but this isnt it and doesnt seem like it was meant to be it. The major thing for the estate is making the previous hard to get and later day releases to now being on all streaming platforms.

'You want it be one way but its the other'-Marlo Stansfield

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #326 posted 08/30/18 8:57am

peedub

rdhull said:

Kares said:

.

pls see:

The Beatles: Anthology

Eric Clapton: Crossroads (box set)
James Brown: Star Time (box set)

The Beatles: 1962–1966, 1967–1970

The Rolling Stones: Singles Collection – The London Years (box set)

Bob Dylan: Biograph (box set)

The Allman Brothers Band: Dreams (box set)

Pink Floyd: Echoes

etc.

.

Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' is also a prime example of how an anthology should be compiled to be more than just the sum of its parts. It is brilliantly sequenced, it has flow, it sounds like how a real album should sound – as opposed to the totally unprofessional sequencing of Prince's 1995-2010 Anthology.

.

Those are BOXED SETS. Except the Beatles anthology. Everything about them is an event in the rockist music world. You KNOW that. The other box sets were events yes but they arent anthologies so miss me with the aha I gotcha nonsense.

This anthology is simply part of the collection of songs from the new cds from 95 on that are now vaialble widely and publicly. I know you and others want primo curation and releases (and that will come in due time) but this isnt it and doesnt seem like it was meant to be it. The major thing for the estate is making the previous hard to get and later day releases to now being on all streaming platforms.

'You want it be one way but its the other'-Marlo Stansfield

biggrin

Reply #327 posted 08/30/18 12:33pm

Kares

rdhull said:

Kares said:

.

pls see:

The Beatles: Anthology

Eric Clapton: Crossroads (box set)
James Brown: Star Time (box set)

The Beatles: 1962–1966, 1967–1970

The Rolling Stones: Singles Collection – The London Years (box set)

Bob Dylan: Biograph (box set)

The Allman Brothers Band: Dreams (box set)

Pink Floyd: Echoes

etc.

.

Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' is also a prime example of how an anthology should be compiled to be more than just the sum of its parts. It is brilliantly sequenced, it has flow, it sounds like how a real album should sound – as opposed to the totally unprofessional sequencing of Prince's 1995-2010 Anthology.

.

Those are BOXED SETS. Except the Beatles anthology. Everything about them is an event in the rockist music world. You KNOW that. The other box sets were events yes but they arent anthologies so miss me with the aha I gotcha nonsense.

.

.
LOL.
.
I've no idea what the "rockist music world" means, to me there's only one music world and that includes all music, but nevermind. Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' wasn't a box set either. The Beatles 1962–1966, 1967–1970 compilations weren't box sets either. And I could've added dozens of highly successful single or double greatest hits compilations (aka 'anthologies') to the list, some of them were even chart-topping, like the Eagles or Bob Marley ones. Or The Essential Bruce Springsteen one. (And yes, greatest hits collections aren't necessarily anthologies of course, but some of them are actually so comprehensive that they can be called anthologies too.)
.

Anyway, what is your point regarding box sets? You mean (most) box sets aren't anthologies? And guess what: if this Prince Anthology would be released on physical formats, it would be a 5LP or 3CD box set...
.

[Edited 8/30/18 12:46pm]

Friends don't let friends clap on 1 and 3.

The Paisley Park Vault spreadsheet: https://goo.gl/zzWHrU
Reply #328 posted 08/30/18 1:00pm

rdhull

Kares said:

rdhull said:

Those are BOXED SETS. Except the Beatles anthology. Everything about them is an event in the rockist music world. You KNOW that. The other box sets were events yes but they arent anthologies so miss me with the aha I gotcha nonsense.

.

.
LOL.
.
I've no idea what the "rockist music world" means, to me there's only one music world and that includes all music, but nevermind. Pink Floyd's 'Echoes' wasn't a box set either. The Beatles 1962–1966, 1967–1970 compilations weren't box sets either. And I could've added dozens of highly successful single or double greatest hits compilations (aka 'anthologies') to the list, some of them were even chart-topping, like the Eagles or Bob Marley ones. Or The Essential Bruce Springsteen one. (And yes, greatest hits collections aren't necessarily anthologies of course, but some of them are actually so comprehensive that they can be called anthologies too.)
.

Anyway, what is your point regarding box sets? You mean (most) box sets aren't anthologies? And guess what: if this Prince Anthology would be released on physical formats, it would be a 5LP or 3CD box set...
.

[Edited 8/30/18 12:46pm]

Dont worry about the Prince anthology. Be glad his hard to get later day releases are now available online. Hugs.

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #329 posted 08/30/18 4:50pm

SkipperLove

Well, that is disappointing. But really maybe Prince needs a biographical film or documentary with real promotion..then maybe an anthology like that can get some traction. He does have younger newbie fans contrary to what folks on here think..its a trickle but its a start. A little video promotion that comes before prince clips on youtube and on streaming devices doesn't really cut it these days. It might have to be a long uphill climb before anthologies like that get attention. But I think we should wish for the best and acknowledge that Prince's musical catalogue is a bit overwhelming and it is a youth driven market. A good later day song featured in a cool scene from a movie might help. I hope that new video being shot in NYC will help as well. All I know is that very few magazine or online magazines have reviewed the anthology. But maybe a boxset that included music categorized by theme with older and newer songs thrown in the mix will help (maybe like a Prince best ballads compilation with ballads from his 'peak' as well as later love song gems). I think they will need to sneak the old stuff in with the new but package it in unique ways that make sense.

RODSERLING said:

rdhull said:

It wasnt supposed to set the charts ablaze. NO anthology is.

This anthology was supposed to highlight Prince s carreer in front of à large audience, only familiar with the WB material. . Such an "anthology" Can t do this job. . If they could have TMBGITW, they would have released à true greatest Hits instead, and surely even physically, in one or two CDs. . Without an impact on charts, it Will have only an impact with the fans...who already owns this music .

[Edited 8/30/18 16:52pm]

[Edited 8/30/18 16:55pm]

Reply #330 posted 08/30/18 4:56pm

luvsexy4all

since this is a bust......what will the brain trusts do????

Reply #331 posted 08/31/18 8:37am

RodeoSchro

luvsexy4all said:

since this is a bust......what will the brain trusts do????




Define "bust".

Look - if you are the estate, you've sold all the Greatest Hits packages you're going to sell. Now, if you want to maximize revenue, you have to convince consumers that they should buy Prince stuff that they've never heard before. And this isn't "new" stuff in the sense that it was recorded last month. No, this is stuff that at best goes back 2+ years and more likely goes back 30+ years. So it isn't "new" music in the sense that it's "current" music.

So how do you go about showing consumers that they should pay attention to "old but unheard" Prince music? I think the Anthology playlist did a great job with that.

It got a glowing article in Rolling Stone, which told readers that there were genius Prince tracks hiding in plain site.

It's probably safe to assume that 90% or more of the sales of the Anthology set were NOT to people like you and I - Prince fans who have it all and want more. No, these sales are probably to people who we WANT and NEED to buy Prince music in order to keep the estate afloat and the new music coming.

My hope is that the Anthology sales were enough to convince the estate that the release of vault material can be worth it. Remember this:

There is NO REQUIREMENT that the estate EVER release Prince's vault tracks.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
Reply #332 posted 08/31/18 8:50am

RodeoSchro

For grins, try this exercise:

Assume you have a chance to buy Prince's entire vault inventory. You get all the unreleased songs; the unfinished stuff; the rehearsals; the videos; the concert video and audios. All of them. You can do anything with them you want.

How much would you pay? Well, that would be determined by how much you think you could make. At the very least, you'd want to get your investment back. More likely, you'd like to make money, probably a LOT of money.

You look at the Anthology release and think, "What a bomb. Geez, did it flop". Well, if you think that, then you'd have to believe that releasing vault stuff is only going to do worse. There's been no evidence of demand for unreleased stuff. If there has, please point it out. That might change our thinking.

So - how much money do you think you could get out of the hardcore Prince fans out there? $1 million? $10 million? $50,000? Think hard about it. Here's how I look at it:

I assume there are about 100,000 hardcore Prince fans out there. Let's say I could get $50 from each and every one of them. That's total revenue of $5,000,000.

But I have to sell that stuff, and that costs money. For ease of calculation, let's assume my sales costs total 50% of revenue. So my sales costs are $2,500,000. That means my profit is $2,500,000 before taxes.

In America, the best case scenario I think is if I set this up as an LLC and get to pay the corporate rate of 21%. So my tax bill is $525,000 which leaves me a net cash profit of $1,975,000.

How much would you pay to end up with $1,975,000? Would you pay $1,000,000? That gives you an almost 100% return on your money, although I imagine it would take 3-5 years to make it all. That means your annual return is somewhere in the 20% - 33% range, which is good.

How do you think the estate would react if you offered them $1,000,000 for the entire vault contents?

How would YOU price this stuff?

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
Reply #333 posted 08/31/18 9:57am

luvsexy4all

RodeoSchro said:

luvsexy4all said:

since this is a bust......what will the brain trusts do????




Define "bust".

Look - if you are the estate, you've sold all the Greatest Hits packages you're going to sell. Now, if you want to maximize revenue, you have to convince consumers that they should buy Prince stuff that they've never heard before. And this isn't "new" stuff in the sense that it was recorded last month. No, this is stuff that at best goes back 2+ years and more likely goes back 30+ years. So it isn't "new" music in the sense that it's "current" music.

So how do you go about showing consumers that they should pay attention to "old but unheard" Prince music? I think the Anthology playlist did a great job with that.

It got a glowing article in Rolling Stone, which told readers that there were genius Prince tracks hiding in plain site.

It's probably safe to assume that 90% or more of the sales of the Anthology set were NOT to people like you and I - Prince fans who have it all and want more. No, these sales are probably to people who we WANT and NEED to buy Prince music in order to keep the estate afloat and the new music coming.

My hope is that the Anthology sales were enough to convince the estate that the release of vault material can be worth it. Remember this:

There is NO REQUIREMENT that the estate EVER release Prince's vault tracks.

bust ..as in no ones downloading it?

Reply #334 posted 08/31/18 10:12am

RodeoSchro

luvsexy4all said:

RodeoSchro said:




Define "bust".

Look - if you are the estate, you've sold all the Greatest Hits packages you're going to sell. Now, if you want to maximize revenue, you have to convince consumers that they should buy Prince stuff that they've never heard before. And this isn't "new" stuff in the sense that it was recorded last month. No, this is stuff that at best goes back 2+ years and more likely goes back 30+ years. So it isn't "new" music in the sense that it's "current" music.

So how do you go about showing consumers that they should pay attention to "old but unheard" Prince music? I think the Anthology playlist did a great job with that.

It got a glowing article in Rolling Stone, which told readers that there were genius Prince tracks hiding in plain site.

It's probably safe to assume that 90% or more of the sales of the Anthology set were NOT to people like you and I - Prince fans who have it all and want more. No, these sales are probably to people who we WANT and NEED to buy Prince music in order to keep the estate afloat and the new music coming.

My hope is that the Anthology sales were enough to convince the estate that the release of vault material can be worth it. Remember this:

There is NO REQUIREMENT that the estate EVER release Prince's vault tracks.

bust ..as in no ones downloading it?


http://www.itunescharts.n...1995-2010/


Prince - 'Anthology: 1995-2010'
American iTunes Chart Performance

"Anthology: 1995-2010":Chart Statistics

  • Release date: 17 Aug 2018
  • Chart debut: #22 (17 Aug 2018)
  • Highest Position: #22 (17 Aug 2018)
  • Most recent chart position: #55 (23 Aug 2018)
  • Days on US Albums Chart: 8

'Anthology: 1995-2010' has charted in the following countries:
United Kingdom, United States, France, Canada and Australia.

Detailed Chart Progress for "Anthology: 1995-2010" (Prince)

US Albums chart performance history for Anthology: 1995-2010

YearMonthDayPositionMovementNumber 1
2018 Aug 17 Fri 22 new Ariana Grande
Sweetener
17 Fri 22 new
18 Sat 25 down
19 Sun 35 down
20 Mon 43 down
21 Tue 57 down
22 Wed 51 up
23 Thu 55 down



The day it hit #22 there were 8 Aretha Franklin albums ahead of it. So absent the Queen of Soul's death, Anthology was a Top 15 download.

It hit #15 in France.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
Reply #335 posted 08/31/18 3:03pm

RODSERLING

I tunes charts are like rnb charts : there are subpar charts that are not représentative of what the Real, définitive chart is.
.
As of now, this anthology charted in only two countries : #114 in Belgium ( in fact in the German part of the Belgium, not even in the whole country! )
and #100 in Swiss ( in fact, in the German part of the Swiss, not in the whole country too !!).
Reply #336 posted 08/31/18 5:04pm

IstenSzek

RodeoSchro said:

For grins, try this exercise:

Assume you have a chance to buy Prince's entire vault inventory. You get all the unreleased songs; the unfinished stuff; the rehearsals; the videos; the concert video and audios. All of them. You can do anything with them you want.

How much would you pay? Well, that would be determined by how much you think you could make. At the very least, you'd want to get your investment back. More likely, you'd like to make money, probably a LOT of money.

You look at the Anthology release and think, "What a bomb. Geez, did it flop". Well, if you think that, then you'd have to believe that releasing vault stuff is only going to do worse. There's been no evidence of demand for unreleased stuff. If there has, please point it out. That might change our thinking.

So - how much money do you think you could get out of the hardcore Prince fans out there? $1 million? $10 million? $50,000? Think hard about it. Here's how I look at it:

I assume there are about 100,000 hardcore Prince fans out there. Let's say I could get $50 from each and every one of them. That's total revenue of $5,000,000.

But I have to sell that stuff, and that costs money. For ease of calculation, let's assume my sales costs total 50% of revenue. So my sales costs are $2,500,000. That means my profit is $2,500,000 before taxes.

In America, the best case scenario I think is if I set this up as an LLC and get to pay the corporate rate of 21%. So my tax bill is $525,000 which leaves me a net cash profit of $1,975,000.

How much would you pay to end up with $1,975,000? Would you pay $1,000,000? That gives you an almost 100% return on your money, although I imagine it would take 3-5 years to make it all. That means your annual return is somewhere in the 20% - 33% range, which is good.

How do you think the estate would react if you offered them $1,000,000 for the entire vault contents?

How would YOU price this stuff?



the estate or whatever company starts to release a slew of decent albums or collections
will get a lot more money from me. a lot. i'd be happy to pay up to $50 a month for new
music to keep flowing. but there would have to be a lot of music each month, both studio
tracks, completed albums, alternate versions of projects, rehearsals, aftershows, concerts.

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #337 posted 08/31/18 5:16pm

IstenSzek

what made anyone think the anthology was going to light up the charts and be this big commercial
succes?

non fans are still not interested, or, if they are, they will discover prince at their own pace and not
come flocking to the lacklustre sequence in their millions right now.

it's going to be a slow but gradual process from now on, getting new people in. just like with, say,
the beatles, new generations will discover his music and love it for decades to come.

however, the money and the relative succes of any new release lies strictly with the established
fanbase. and this anthology offers that fanbase exactly ZERO new stuff they don't already have.

it's cool to have all the albums on the streaming services now and it would be interesting to see
how many streams they get, all together, now that they are all on most platforms.

personally, i've already noticed that i'm listening to 80% of his music on spotify, eventhough i've
got all his albums, in physical and digital. it's just easy, especially when you're not listening with
headphones and just doing chores or working and the quality is not too important.

but if a new prince release is going to make a bit of a splash, it needs to be geared toward us, and
be comprised of studio songs we haven't yet heard. or really perfectly curated live concerts and or
aftershows. (but since we have most of those too, in varying qualities, new/old studio tracks that
we don't yet have would be best).

prince: piano and more 31 -not something for just a casual listener, and if they do listen it won't
set their world on fire, now will it? hardcore fans: already had it. will purchase, perhaps, for the
sound upgrade. personally, i'm not too excited to buy it. will stream it for a while first. it will be
the first ever prince release i'm not buying the very first day it will be available to me.

anthology - not something for long time fans, they have all of this music (how hard would it've
been for them to throw 1 new song in?) and not really something for casual listeners either. for
me personally, if let's say springsteen or tori amos or beck or whomever, all of a sudden had a
dozen albums on spotify that i didn't know yet, i would not be tempted to listen to an anthology
first to discover what tracks i like from that and then go to the corresponding albums.

but that's how young people do it now, perhaps? lol i'm old. i'd see the anthology pop up in the
'new music' section and be 'wait? what? all those albums are now on here?' and just go direct to
the albums and discover those one by one. i'm not interested in someone elses playlist (and a bad
one at that).

so who exactly is supposed to stream these releases in the millions? they are geared toward no
one.



and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #338 posted 09/01/18 1:42am

KAB

IstenSzek said:

what made anyone think the anthology was going to light up the charts and be this big commercial
succes?

non fans are still not interested, or, if they are, they will discover prince at their own pace and not
come flocking to the lacklustre sequence in their millions right now.

it's going to be a slow but gradual process from now on, getting new people in. just like with, say,
the beatles, new generations will discover his music and love it for decades to come.

however, the money and the relative succes of any new release lies strictly with the established
fanbase. and this anthology offers that fanbase exactly ZERO new stuff they don't already have.

it's cool to have all the albums on the streaming services now and it would be interesting to see
how many streams they get, all together, now that they are all on most platforms.

personally, i've already noticed that i'm listening to 80% of his music on spotify, eventhough i've
got all his albums, in physical and digital. it's just easy, especially when you're not listening with
headphones and just doing chores or working and the quality is not too important.

but if a new prince release is going to make a bit of a splash, it needs to be geared toward us, and
be comprised of studio songs we haven't yet heard. or really perfectly curated live concerts and or
aftershows. (but since we have most of those too, in varying qualities, new/old studio tracks that
we don't yet have would be best).

prince: piano and more 31 -not something for just a casual listener, and if they do listen it won't
set their world on fire, now will it? hardcore fans: already had it. will purchase, perhaps, for the
sound upgrade. personally, i'm not too excited to buy it. will stream it for a while first. it will be
the first ever prince release i'm not buying the very first day it will be available to me.

anthology - not something for long time fans, they have all of this music (how hard would it've
been for them to throw 1 new song in?) and not really something for casual listeners either. for
me personally, if let's say springsteen or tori amos or beck or whomever, all of a sudden had a
dozen albums on spotify that i didn't know yet, i would not be tempted to listen to an anthology
first to discover what tracks i like from that and then go to the corresponding albums.

but that's how young people do it now, perhaps? lol i'm old. i'd see the anthology pop up in the
'new music' section and be 'wait? what? all those albums are now on here?' and just go direct to
the albums and discover those one by one. i'm not interested in someone elses playlist (and a bad
one at that).

so who exactly is supposed to stream these releases in the millions? they are geared toward no
one.



Agreed!

Reply #339 posted 09/02/18 4:43am

RODSERLING

KAB said:

 



IstenSzek said:


what made anyone think the anthology was going to light up the charts and be this big commercial
succes?

non fans are still not interested, or, if they are, they will discover prince at their own pace and not
come flocking to the lacklustre sequence in their millions right now.

it's going to be a slow but gradual process from now on, getting new people in. just like with, say,
the beatles, new generations will discover his music and love it for decades to come.

however, the money and the relative succes of any new release lies strictly with the established
fanbase. and this anthology offers that fanbase exactly ZERO new stuff they don't already have.

it's cool to have all the albums on the streaming services now and it would be interesting to see
how many streams they get, all together, now that they are all on most platforms.

personally, i've already noticed that i'm listening to 80% of his music on spotify, eventhough i've
got all his albums, in physical and digital. it's just easy, especially when you're not listening with
headphones and just doing chores or working and the quality is not too important.

but if a new prince release is going to make a bit of a splash, it needs to be geared toward us, and
be comprised of studio songs we haven't yet heard. or really perfectly curated live concerts and or
aftershows. (but since we have most of those too, in varying qualities, new/old studio tracks that
we don't yet have would be best).

prince: piano and more 31 -not something for just a casual listener, and if they do listen it won't
set their world on fire, now will it? hardcore fans: already had it. will purchase, perhaps, for the
sound upgrade. personally, i'm not too excited to buy it. will stream it for a while first. it will be
the first ever prince release i'm not buying the very first day it will be available to me.

anthology - not something for long time fans, they have all of this music (how hard would it've
been for them to throw 1 new song in?) and not really something for casual listeners either. for
me personally, if let's say springsteen or tori amos or beck or whomever, all of a sudden had a
dozen albums on spotify that i didn't know yet, i would not be tempted to listen to an anthology
first to discover what tracks i like from that and then go to the corresponding albums. 

but that's how young people do it now, perhaps? lol i'm old. i'd see the anthology pop up in the
'new music' section and be 'wait? what? all those albums are now on here?' and just go direct to
the albums and discover those one by one. i'm not interested in someone elses playlist (and a bad
one at that).

so who exactly is supposed to stream these releases in the millions? they are geared toward no
one. 





 


 


 


Agreed!



The point is that this release could have been streamed by millions if it was simply à greatest Hits, with TMBGITW. It would have also been released physically, with the music vidéos from this era.
.
The focus on the 1995/2010 catalogue would have been then, Way better, attracting more people.
.
This anthology shows just how much the estate s unability to perpétuité Prince s legacy to the fans and also to à large audience.
Reply #340 posted 09/03/18 2:49am

KAB

RODSERLING said:

KAB said:

Agreed!

The point is that this release could have been streamed by millions if it was simply à greatest Hits, with TMBGITW. It would have also been released physically, with the music vidéos from this era. . The focus on the 1995/2010 catalogue would have been then, Way better, attracting more people. . This anthology shows just how much the estate s unability to perpétuité Prince s legacy to the fans and also to à large audience.

Agreed once more. 2010-2016 too!

Reply #341 posted 09/03/18 10:42pm

wasitgood4u

IstenSzek said:

what made anyone think the anthology was going to light up the charts and be this big commercial
succes?

non fans are still not interested, or, if they are, they will discover prince at their own pace and not
come flocking to the lacklustre sequence in their millions right now.

it's going to be a slow but gradual process from now on, getting new people in. just like with, say,
the beatles, new generations will discover his music and love it for decades to come.

however, the money and the relative succes of any new release lies strictly with the established
fanbase. and this anthology offers that fanbase exactly ZERO new stuff they don't already have.

it's cool to have all the albums on the streaming services now and it would be interesting to see
how many streams they get, all together, now that they are all on most platforms.

personally, i've already noticed that i'm listening to 80% of his music on spotify, eventhough i've
got all his albums, in physical and digital. it's just easy, especially when you're not listening with
headphones and just doing chores or working and the quality is not too important.

but if a new prince release is going to make a bit of a splash, it needs to be geared toward us, and
be comprised of studio songs we haven't yet heard. or really perfectly curated live concerts and or
aftershows. (but since we have most of those too, in varying qualities, new/old studio tracks that
we don't yet have would be best).

prince: piano and more 31 -not something for just a casual listener, and if they do listen it won't
set their world on fire, now will it? hardcore fans: already had it. will purchase, perhaps, for the
sound upgrade. personally, i'm not too excited to buy it. will stream it for a while first. it will be
the first ever prince release i'm not buying the very first day it will be available to me.

anthology - not something for long time fans, they have all of this music (how hard would it've
been for them to throw 1 new song in?) and not really something for casual listeners either. for
me personally, if let's say springsteen or tori amos or beck or whomever, all of a sudden had a
dozen albums on spotify that i didn't know yet, i would not be tempted to listen to an anthology
first to discover what tracks i like from that and then go to the corresponding albums. 

but that's how young people do it now, perhaps? lol i'm old. i'd see the anthology pop up in the
'new music' section and be 'wait? what? all those albums are now on here?' and just go direct to
the albums and discover those one by one. i'm not interested in someone elses playlist (and a bad
one at that).

so who exactly is supposed to stream these releases in the millions? they are geared toward no
one. 





But maybe your last point is the main one - this anthology pops up in people’s new releases or recommended and makes them aware that the newer albums are steaming...
Despite being in a bunch of Prince FB groups, I missed the news of this and the Anthology popping up in New Releases on Apple Music was the first I heard.
Despite having all these albums (except Indigo Nights), I listened to the Anthology for 2 reasons:
1. Just to hear what they selected and how it sounded together.
2. To remind me what’s out there as I go and stream some of the albums I haven’t listened to in a while (for those interested: LF and Indigo Nights, so far).
"We've never been able to pull off a funk number"

"That's becuase we're soulless auttomatons"
Reply #342 posted 09/10/18 12:47pm

luvsexy4all

isnt it financially worthwhile for them to release the anthology on CD???

Reply #343 posted 09/11/18 2:05am

jaawwnn

luvsexy4all said:

isnt it financially worthwhile for them to release the anthology on CD???

Maybe they're waiting on TMBGITW to be made available. And a better tracklist.

Reply #344 posted 09/11/18 7:14am

OperatingThetan

luvsexy4all said:

isnt it financially worthwhile for them to release the anthology on CD???   



I think it works better as a playlist. Much more thought and consideration would be required for a physical edition.
Reply #345 posted 09/16/18 4:46am

Moonbeam

I've had fun listening to Anthology. I'd buy a copy if it was physically released.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #346 posted 09/20/18 7:20am

databank

RodeoSchro said:

luvsexy4all said:

bust ..as in no ones downloading it?


http://www.itunescharts.n...1995-2010/


Prince - 'Anthology: 1995-2010'
American iTunes Chart Performance

"Anthology: 1995-2010":Chart Statistics

  • Release date: 17 Aug 2018
  • Chart debut: #22 (17 Aug 2018)
  • Highest Position: #22 (17 Aug 2018)
  • Most recent chart position: #55 (23 Aug 2018)
  • Days on US Albums Chart: 8

'Anthology: 1995-2010' has charted in the following countries:
United Kingdom, United States, France, Canada and Australia.

Detailed Chart Progress for "Anthology: 1995-2010" (Prince)

US Albums chart performance history for Anthology: 1995-2010

YearMonthDayPositionMovementNumber 1
2018 Aug 17 Fri 22 new Ariana Grande
Sweetener
17 Fri 22 new
18 Sat 25 down
19 Sun 35 down
20 Mon 43 down
21 Tue 57 down
22 Wed 51 up
23 Thu 55 down



The day it hit #22 there were 8 Aretha Franklin albums ahead of it. So absent the Queen of Soul's death, Anthology was a Top 15 download.

It hit #15 in France.

It's pretty remarkable for a compilation of later, mostly obscure releases by a dead artist whose career peak ended 25 years ago. I fail to see why some orgers, against all evidence, keep insisting on saying Prince records don't, or won't sell (or stream, since streaming is sort of the new measure of success).

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Reply #347 posted 09/20/18 9:49am

databank

Kares said:

MIRvmn said:


Yes WB obviously wasn't satisfied with PR Deluxe and only released it cuz it was part of the 2014 deal.

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Do we know that PR Deluxe was part of the '14 deal? I don't think so. As far as I'm aware only the remaster of the original album was part of the deal, that's what Prince gave them, without any bonus material. All the added stuff was just Warner's decision, with no involvement from the estate (apart from getting their approval) and with no access to Paisley's vault.

Someone recently claimed (I can't remember who, I just read this in an interview some days ago) that certain songs on PR Deluxe (not all) had already been selected by Prince for the rerelease. However we do know it was part of the 2014 deal (at least verbally, IDK whether papers were signed) because it was announced in the same press release that said Prince had gotten his masters back at the time.

.

On the "do we know" note, I'm not aware of us knowing that WB lost money on PR Deluxe as claimed by some above. This is most likely just another fantasy from those who preach the "Prince-doesn't-sell" religion, a personal belief posted as a statement by an orger, then repeated by others until rumor has been repeated enough times to become fact. Beware of those approximations. For some reasons that I really can't understand, certain people here have a political agenda that consists in trying to convince everyone that each Prince release is a flop and that there is no market for any further release. I'm puzzled by that because I'm not sure if they really believe it of if they have something to gain from spreading those lies, and they had already begun doing it when Prince was alive. You can show them a charts sheet saying a Prince album was #1, and they'll still find excuses to claim it was a total flop, and you can show them that Apollonia's long forgotten 1988 album (that probably sold 20 copies back then) just got a deluxe 2 CD rerelease with bonus tracks and they'll still maintain that there's no market for a 1999 reissue rolleyes

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Reply #348 posted 09/28/18 9:31am

Vannormal

Well,

I listened to the whole Anthology.

It's the worst 'sound' mixed compilation I've ever heard.

(The artwork even sucks, it's basically like a mediocre bootleg...)

-

Just a couple of reasons why it's such a damn-bad-lazy-done mix :

Songs were just picked (brutal copied) from excisting releases, and 'glued' after each other.

There is no 'general' mix, no equal mastering of the compilation and certainly no level balances or peak treatments !

Most songs just aren't sequenced at all.

Listen for yourself to the worst transitions between these songs :

-

'Emancipation' to 'Black Sweat' (this track has the lowest quality),

-

'Call My Name' doesn't even have a fade at the end, just abruptly cut,

same goes for 'Endorphinmachine',

-

'Musicology' (why that album transition is on here, i really don't understand),

also 'Ol Skool COmpany', and the lasting silence at the end of 'West', even 14 minutes long... why not have this song as the very last one ?

-

'Muse 2 The Pharao''s end is brutal too, and the beginning of 'Somewhere Here On Earth' is lilke all others, just stolen from an album release...

-

I think i'm gonna master this compilation for my own use.

Bunch of amateurs. wink

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #349 posted 09/28/18 9:41am

Vannormal

ChocolateBox3121 said:

skywalker said:

On a similar note "Damn U" on prince ends with the intro to "Arrogance." Ugh. Who is responsible for this?

U people look to complain about EVERY SINGLE detail about EVERYTHING. My God! just listen to the song. Who cares about an intro or a segue..disbelief

Disbelieve ?

Because an intro, and an outtro is really important.

In the sequence of any album it is specificaly meant that way to transit in sound or music to the following. It's how it is mastered and mixed for 'a project'.

On a compilation you can not abrubtly begin or end any picked album version like that and glue them together.

It's unprofessional and amateuristic and above all, shows lack of respect for any song used for a compilation or 'best of'.

That's why. smile

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #350 posted 10/03/18 7:54pm

rdhull

Oh it is not. Why you gotta lie? disbelief

Vannormal said:

Well,

I listened to the whole Anthology.

It's the worst 'sound' mixed compilation I've ever heard.

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
Reply #351 posted 10/04/18 1:39am

databank

I wonder if this obsession we're more and more having with Prince sales and new generations discovering his music has something to do with our own fear of death, or at least our own fear of being old and outdated.

.

We're not getting any younger, the vast majority of the hardcore fans here are over 40, we're past our prime, many of us are parents, we're living in a world that's changing so fast that despite the 80's nostalgia that's popular nowadays, the pre-internet world we grew up in now seems like a distant, faded memory, and many of us clearly cannot accept the changes in the music industry: piracy, streams, digital replacing physical, drops in sales... I have friends my age who, at 40, are already beginning to rant about "things not being what they used to" and "kids today...", and many of us might not be able to say who the newest "hot" movie director or musical artist is anymore. Those things are never a good sign.

.

We were lucky enough to love and enjoy Prince's music when his career was at its peak, and between official releases and bootlegs we all own incredible collections of Prince music, we could be happy with that. We should be happy with that. No one can take those years away from us. Yet there's an anxiety, and I think the word isn't too strong. What if Prince doesn't appeal to younger audiences, doesn't sell anymore, is about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, what if the vault is abandonned to rot due to a lack of interest?

.

IDK, I'm just guessing but maybe we're in fact afraid that we don't appeal to younger audiences, that we don't sell anymore, that we're about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, that we will be abandonned to rot due to lack of interest?

.

Maybe the question isn't so much whether Prince's music and Estate releases are relevant to our times, but whether we feel relevant to our times.

.

Do we? Do you?

.

[Edited 10/4/18 1:44am]

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Reply #352 posted 10/04/18 2:55am

RODSERLING

Vannormal said:

Well,


I listened to the whole Anthology.


It's the worst 'sound' mixed compilation I've ever heard.


(The artwork even sucks, it's basically like a mediocre bootleg...)


-


Just a couple of reasons why it's such a damn-bad-lazy-done mix :


Songs were just picked (brutal copied) from excisting releases, and 'glued' after each other.


There is no 'general' mix, no equal mastering of the compilation and certainly no level balances or peak treatments !


Most songs just aren't sequenced at all.


Listen for yourself to the worst transitions between these songs :


-


'Emancipation' to 'Black Sweat' (this track has the lowest quality),


-


'Call My Name' doesn't even have a fade at the end, just abruptly cut,


same goes for 'Endorphinmachine',


-


'Musicology' (why that album transition is on here, i really don't understand),


also 'Ol Skool COmpany', and the lasting silence at the end of 'West', even 14 minutes long... why not have this song as the very last one ?


-


'Muse 2 The Pharao''s end is brutal too, and the beginning of 'Somewhere Here On Earth' is lilke all others, just stolen from an album release...


-


I think i'm gonna master this compilation for my own use.


Bunch of amateurs. wink


 


 


 



I agree, and You Haven t just pointed out the worst things.
.
The sequencing, the tracklist and the lack of editing (the end of the work part 1 is I think the most ridiculous transition I ever heard) makes difficult the listening.
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It has been obviously chosen randomly After à drunk party.
.
No Idea about what are the 10 most streamed songs from this catalogue ?
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I guess Call My Name and Gold are the two winners ?
Reply #353 posted 10/04/18 3:39am

SkipperLove

I think its less about that than holding on to Prince as long as we can and keeping him around. If Prince's legacy doesn't thrive, it feels like we lose him completely. His music is his immortality. The only way to keep it alive is to make sure the next generation embraces it. Now, the degree of which it is embraced by younger generations is relative. He may be some respected almost-underground artist who is deceased or he may be the Beatles. I suspect its the former. But if MIchael Jackson can be totally beloved in this younger generation (and trust me, he is), there is no reason the more prolific prince can't if promoted and exposed a bit more than he is. Prince's music needs roadmaps, accidental exposure, and spotlights. P's music needs to be heard in movies like "Sing" or in well-chosen pop culture spots. They need to branch outside of the PR soundtrack when choosing songs. The anthology was released with little fan fare or narrative and its an overwhelming release. Consider this, the powers that be dump 40 songs online to celebrate his 23 albums and don't promote it much or zero on a few hits to sell it to newbies. What casual young listener will take the time to peruse through an artists' massive catalogue if they didn't know if it was worth your time? Its like being given a unlimited fuel in a new car and complete access to hundreds of locations but no map or recommendations of where you should go. Prince's musical genius is hidden in plain sight (like the Rolling Stone review stated) partly because not many people can believe that an artist could be prolific to such a degree and still pretty damn good, that even with the mistakes, there are gems worth mining. ) Narrative is often a way to get people paying attention as well.. I am convinced that if they packaged up that music and claimed it was from the vault, people would have listened more.

databank said:

I wonder if this obsession we're more and more having with Prince sales and new generations discovering his music has something to do with our own fear of death, or at least our own fear of being old and outdated.

.

We're not getting any younger, the vast majority of the hardcore fans here are over 40, we're past our prime, many of us are parents, we're living in a world that's changing so fast that despite the 80's nostalgia that's popular nowadays, the pre-internet world we grew up in now seems like a distant, faded memory, and many of us clearly cannot accept the changes in the music industry: piracy, streams, digital replacing physical, drops in sales... I have friends my age who, at 40, are already beginning to rant about "things not being what they used to" and "kids today...", and many of us might not be able to say who the newest "hot" movie director or musical artist is anymore. Those things are never a good sign.

.

We were lucky enough to love and enjoy Prince's music when his career was at its peak, and between official releases and bootlegs we all own incredible collections of Prince music, we could be happy with that. We should be happy with that. No one can take those years away from us. Yet there's an anxiety, and I think the word isn't too strong. What if Prince doesn't appeal to younger audiences, doesn't sell anymore, is about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, what if the vault is abandonned to rot due to a lack of interest?

.

IDK, I'm just guessing but maybe we're in fact afraid that we don't appeal to younger audiences, that we don't sell anymore, that we're about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, that we will be abandonned to rot due to lack of interest?

.

Maybe the question isn't so much whether Prince's music and Estate releases are relevant to our times, but whether we feel relevant to our times.

.

Do we? Do you?

.

[Edited 10/4/18 1:44am]

[Edited 10/4/18 3:52am]

Reply #354 posted 10/04/18 5:10am

databank

SkipperLove said:

I think its less about that than holding on to Prince as long as we can and keeping him around. If Prince's legacy doesn't thrive, it feels like we lose him completely. His music is his immortality. The only way to keep it alive is to make sure the next generation embraces it. Now, the degree of which it is embraced by younger generations is relative. He may be some respected almost-underground artist who is deceased or he may be the Beatles. I suspect its the former. But if MIchael Jackson can be totally beloved in this younger generation (and trust me, he is), there is no reason the more prolific prince can't if promoted and exposed a bit more than he is. Prince's music needs roadmaps, accidental exposure, and spotlights. P's music needs to be heard in movies like "Sing" or in well-chosen pop culture spots. They need to branch outside of the PR soundtrack when choosing songs. The anthology was released with little fan fare or narrative and its an overwhelming release. Consider this, the powers that be dump 40 songs online to celebrate his 23 albums and don't promote it much or zero on a few hits to sell it to newbies. What casual young listener will take the time to peruse through an artists' massive catalogue if they didn't know if it was worth your time? Its like being given a unlimited fuel in a new car and complete access to hundreds of locations but no map or recommendations of where you should go. Prince's musical genius is hidden in plain sight (like the Rolling Stone review stated) partly because not many people can believe that an artist could be prolific to such a degree and still pretty damn good, that even with the mistakes, there are gems worth mining. ) Narrative is often a way to get people paying attention as well.. I am convinced that if they packaged up that music and claimed it was from the vault, people would have listened more.

databank said:

I wonder if this obsession we're more and more having with Prince sales and new generations discovering his music has something to do with our own fear of death, or at least our own fear of being old and outdated.

.

We're not getting any younger, the vast majority of the hardcore fans here are over 40, we're past our prime, many of us are parents, we're living in a world that's changing so fast that despite the 80's nostalgia that's popular nowadays, the pre-internet world we grew up in now seems like a distant, faded memory, and many of us clearly cannot accept the changes in the music industry: piracy, streams, digital replacing physical, drops in sales... I have friends my age who, at 40, are already beginning to rant about "things not being what they used to" and "kids today...", and many of us might not be able to say who the newest "hot" movie director or musical artist is anymore. Those things are never a good sign.

.

We were lucky enough to love and enjoy Prince's music when his career was at its peak, and between official releases and bootlegs we all own incredible collections of Prince music, we could be happy with that. We should be happy with that. No one can take those years away from us. Yet there's an anxiety, and I think the word isn't too strong. What if Prince doesn't appeal to younger audiences, doesn't sell anymore, is about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, what if the vault is abandonned to rot due to a lack of interest?

.

IDK, I'm just guessing but maybe we're in fact afraid that we don't appeal to younger audiences, that we don't sell anymore, that we're about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, that we will be abandonned to rot due to lack of interest?

.

Maybe the question isn't so much whether Prince's music and Estate releases are relevant to our times, but whether we feel relevant to our times.

.

Do we? Do you?

.

[Edited 10/4/18 1:44am]

[Edited 10/4/18 3:52am]

That would make sense, it could be that, too. However this obsession had already started before he died so IDK if it was already "holding on for as long as we can", since he was still there. Not sure if it would explain the incredible anger many fans felt towards him for not fulfilling their expectation, IDK if/how those 2 things are connected.

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I have to admit that for me Prince was never "around" since 1994 or so, by that I mean he was around for me, for the people here on the Org who followed him, but most of the time the rest of the world didn't seem to have any idea of what he was up to, at least in France. I was fine with it, I liked the idea of his music being a well kept secret, my own little private joy. It probably made me feel more special or privileged than when he was a Top 10 artist up until 1994. Lots of the music I listen to is stuff no one's ever heard of anyway... So IDK...

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Reply #355 posted 10/04/18 5:25am

olb99

databank said:

I wonder if this obsession we're more and more having with Prince sales and new generations discovering his music has something to do with our own fear of death, or at least our own fear of being old and outdated.

.

We're not getting any younger, the vast majority of the hardcore fans here are over 40, we're past our prime, many of us are parents, we're living in a world that's changing so fast that despite the 80's nostalgia that's popular nowadays, the pre-internet world we grew up in now seems like a distant, faded memory, and many of us clearly cannot accept the changes in the music industry: piracy, streams, digital replacing physical, drops in sales... I have friends my age who, at 40, are already beginning to rant about "things not being what they used to" and "kids today...", and many of us might not be able to say who the newest "hot" movie director or musical artist is anymore. Those things are never a good sign.

.

We were lucky enough to love and enjoy Prince's music when his career was at its peak, and between official releases and bootlegs we all own incredible collections of Prince music, we could be happy with that. We should be happy with that. No one can take those years away from us. Yet there's an anxiety, and I think the word isn't too strong. What if Prince doesn't appeal to younger audiences, doesn't sell anymore, is about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, what if the vault is abandonned to rot due to a lack of interest?

.

IDK, I'm just guessing but maybe we're in fact afraid that we don't appeal to younger audiences, that we don't sell anymore, that we're about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, that we will be abandonned to rot due to lack of interest?

.

Maybe the question isn't so much whether Prince's music and Estate releases are relevant to our times, but whether we feel relevant to our times.

.

Do we? Do you?

.

[Edited 10/4/18 1:44am]

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I'm only one year younger than you, so I see what you mean. And it could be a midlife crisis thing. But I'm not sure.

.

I've been very enthusiastic (an understatement, to be sure) about Prince since 1989, so I've always wanted to share some of my enthusiasm with others. In the 90s, I made tapes for friends. Then it was CD-Rs or streaming playlists. I don't think I've ever "converted" anybody to Prince, unfortunately. sad

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I'd say it's not about me getting older or wanting to stay relevant - I feel like I've never really been relevant anyway - but it's about sharing my enthusiasm with the world.

Reply #356 posted 10/04/18 5:52am

databank

olb99 said:

databank said:

I wonder if this obsession we're more and more having with Prince sales and new generations discovering his music has something to do with our own fear of death, or at least our own fear of being old and outdated.

.

We're not getting any younger, the vast majority of the hardcore fans here are over 40, we're past our prime, many of us are parents, we're living in a world that's changing so fast that despite the 80's nostalgia that's popular nowadays, the pre-internet world we grew up in now seems like a distant, faded memory, and many of us clearly cannot accept the changes in the music industry: piracy, streams, digital replacing physical, drops in sales... I have friends my age who, at 40, are already beginning to rant about "things not being what they used to" and "kids today...", and many of us might not be able to say who the newest "hot" movie director or musical artist is anymore. Those things are never a good sign.

.

We were lucky enough to love and enjoy Prince's music when his career was at its peak, and between official releases and bootlegs we all own incredible collections of Prince music, we could be happy with that. We should be happy with that. No one can take those years away from us. Yet there's an anxiety, and I think the word isn't too strong. What if Prince doesn't appeal to younger audiences, doesn't sell anymore, is about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, what if the vault is abandonned to rot due to a lack of interest?

.

IDK, I'm just guessing but maybe we're in fact afraid that we don't appeal to younger audiences, that we don't sell anymore, that we're about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, that we will be abandonned to rot due to lack of interest?

.

Maybe the question isn't so much whether Prince's music and Estate releases are relevant to our times, but whether we feel relevant to our times.

.

Do we? Do you?

.

[Edited 10/4/18 1:44am]

.

I'm only one year younger than you, so I see what you mean. And it could be a midlife crisis thing. But I'm not sure.

.

I've been very enthusiastic (an understatement, to be sure) about Prince since 1989, so I've always wanted to share some of my enthusiasm with others. In the 90s, I made tapes for friends. Then it was CD-Rs or streaming playlists. I don't think I've ever "converted" anybody to Prince, unfortunately. sad

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I'd say it's not about me getting older or wanting to stay relevant - I feel like I've never really been relevant anyway - but it's about sharing my enthusiasm with the world.

Fair enough, but that's something we all can do until the day we die. Ironically I found it easier to get people to appreciate Prince's music (and I mean post-94 Prince music) after 1994. It seems that with Prince having lost his status as a controversial and sometimes irritating superstar and not being on the radio and TV 24/7, people were less divided about him, and more open to take him seriously as a musician and discovering the deeper aspects of his music (by "deeper" I mean beyond the hits). So if it's about sharing our enthusiasm, we can all keep making tapes (or more appropriately sharing files or playlists) with our friends (or their children), playing Prince when they come home, etc. We don't need Warner Bros, MTV and Spotify for that.

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Reply #357 posted 10/04/18 6:02am

leecaldon

RodeoSchro said:

For grins, try this exercise:

Assume you have a chance to buy Prince's entire vault inventory. You get all the unreleased songs; the unfinished stuff; the rehearsals; the videos; the concert video and audios. All of them. You can do anything with them you want.

How much would you pay? Well, that would be determined by how much you think you could make. At the very least, you'd want to get your investment back. More likely, you'd like to make money, probably a LOT of money.

You look at the Anthology release and think, "What a bomb. Geez, did it flop". Well, if you think that, then you'd have to believe that releasing vault stuff is only going to do worse. There's been no evidence of demand for unreleased stuff. If there has, please point it out. That might change our thinking.

So - how much money do you think you could get out of the hardcore Prince fans out there? $1 million? $10 million? $50,000? Think hard about it. Here's how I look at it:

I assume there are about 100,000 hardcore Prince fans out there. Let's say I could get $50 from each and every one of them. That's total revenue of $5,000,000.

But I have to sell that stuff, and that costs money. For ease of calculation, let's assume my sales costs total 50% of revenue. So my sales costs are $2,500,000. That means my profit is $2,500,000 before taxes.

In America, the best case scenario I think is if I set this up as an LLC and get to pay the corporate rate of 21%. So my tax bill is $525,000 which leaves me a net cash profit of $1,975,000.

How much would you pay to end up with $1,975,000? Would you pay $1,000,000? That gives you an almost 100% return on your money, although I imagine it would take 3-5 years to make it all. That means your annual return is somewhere in the 20% - 33% range, which is good.

How do you think the estate would react if you offered them $1,000,000 for the entire vault contents?

How would YOU price this stuff?

Is that $50/year? Because I think the hardcore would shell out considerably more than that annually for the right releases. But I wonder how many of us there actually are.

Reply #358 posted 10/04/18 6:30am

skywalker

ChocolateBox3121 said:

U people look to complain about EVERY SINGLE detail about EVERYTHING. My God! just listen to the song. Who cares about an intro or a segue..disbelief

I think a lot of people do. Imagine listening to a compliation and tacked onto the end guitar solo of "Let's Go Crazy" is the drum intro to "Take Me With U". Jarring, sloppy, and not even the same song. Stop being an ass.
"New Power slide...."
Reply #359 posted 10/04/18 7:06am

ChocolateBox3121

skywalker said:


ChocolateBox3121 said:


 


U people look to complain about EVERY SINGLE detail about EVERYTHING. My God! just listen to the song. Who cares about an intro or a segue..disbelief





I think a lot of people do. Imagine listening to a compliation and tacked onto the end guitar solo of "Let's Go Crazy" is the drum intro to "Take Me With U". Jarring, sloppy, and not even the same song. Stop being an ass.



That example is a WAY over exaggeration...
So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #360 posted 10/04/18 7:26am

skywalker

ChocolateBox3121 said:

skywalker said:
I think a lot of people do. Imagine listening to a compliation and tacked onto the end guitar solo of "Let's Go Crazy" is the drum intro to "Take Me With U". Jarring, sloppy, and not even the same song. Stop being an ass.
That example is a WAY over exaggeration...

That doesn't mean it's incorrect.

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"Damn" U has a definite ending....and it is not the intro to "Arrogance." Like I said, it's just sloppy.

"New Power slide...."
Reply #361 posted 10/04/18 10:57am

ChocolateBox3121

skywalker said:

 



ChocolateBox3121 said:


skywalker said:

I think a lot of people do. Imagine listening to a compliation and tacked onto the end guitar solo of "Let's Go Crazy" is the drum intro to "Take Me With U". Jarring, sloppy, and not even the same song. Stop being an ass.


That example is a WAY over exaggeration...

That doesn't mean it's incorrect.


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"Damn" U has a definite ending....and it is not the intro to "Arrogance."  Like I said, it's just sloppy.



It didn’t happen...
So Prince, whom fought 4 his first record deal & got it, fought 4 a movie deal & got it, fought 4 freedom from his WB contract & got it, fought 4 his masters & got them.Gets a curable illness & says 2 himself ok, I'm done. "Life is a Box Of Chocolates"
Reply #362 posted 10/04/18 1:18pm

Nightcrawler

databank said:

I wonder if this obsession we're more and more having with Prince sales and new generations discovering his music has something to do with our own fear of death, or at least our own fear of being old and outdated.


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We're not getting any younger, the vast majority of the hardcore fans here are over 40, we're past our prime, many of us are parents, we're living in a world that's changing so fast that despite the 80's nostalgia that's popular nowadays, the pre-internet world we grew up in now seems like a distant, faded memory, and many of us clearly cannot accept the changes in the music industry: piracy, streams, digital replacing physical, drops in sales... I have friends my age who, at 40, are already beginning to rant about "things not being what they used to" and "kids today...", and many of us might not be able to say who the newest "hot" movie director or musical artist is anymore. Those things are never a good sign.


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We were lucky enough to love and enjoy Prince's music when his career was at its peak, and between official releases and bootlegs we all own incredible collections of Prince music, we could be happy with that. We should be happy with that. No one can take those years away from us. Yet there's an anxiety, and I think the word isn't too strong. What if Prince doesn't appeal to younger audiences, doesn't sell anymore, is about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, what if the vault is abandonned to rot due to a lack of interest?


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IDK, I'm just guessing but maybe we're in fact afraid that we don't appeal to younger audiences, that we don't sell anymore, that we're about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, that we will be abandonned to rot due to lack of interest?


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Maybe the question isn't so much whether Prince's music and Estate releases are relevant to our times, but whether we feel relevant to our times.


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Do we? Do you?


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[Edited 10/4/18 1:44am]



Bravo, I completely agree with everything you said there!
Just like the sun, the rainbow children rise...
Reply #363 posted 10/04/18 2:28pm

dustoff

databank said:

I wonder if this obsession we're more and more having with Prince sales and new generations discovering his music has something to do with our own fear of death, or at least our own fear of being old and outdated.

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We're not getting any younger, the vast majority of the hardcore fans here are over 40, we're past our prime, many of us are parents, we're living in a world that's changing so fast that despite the 80's nostalgia that's popular nowadays, the pre-internet world we grew up in now seems like a distant, faded memory, and many of us clearly cannot accept the changes in the music industry: piracy, streams, digital replacing physical, drops in sales... I have friends my age who, at 40, are already beginning to rant about "things not being what they used to" and "kids today...", and many of us might not be able to say who the newest "hot" movie director or musical artist is anymore. Those things are never a good sign.

.

We were lucky enough to love and enjoy Prince's music when his career was at its peak, and between official releases and bootlegs we all own incredible collections of Prince music, we could be happy with that. We should be happy with that. No one can take those years away from us. Yet there's an anxiety, and I think the word isn't too strong. What if Prince doesn't appeal to younger audiences, doesn't sell anymore, is about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, what if the vault is abandonned to rot due to a lack of interest?

.

IDK, I'm just guessing but maybe we're in fact afraid that we don't appeal to younger audiences, that we don't sell anymore, that we're about to be forgotten and sink into oblivion, that we will be abandonned to rot due to lack of interest?

.

Maybe the question isn't so much whether Prince's music and Estate releases are relevant to our times, but whether we feel relevant to our times.

.

Do we? Do you?

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Just saw this. Well said, beautifully written. Rings true to me. Thank you, Databank.

Reply #364 posted 10/04/18 6:11pm

skywalker

ChocolateBox3121 said:

skywalker said:

 



ChocolateBox3121 said:


skywalker said:

I think a lot of people do. Imagine listening to a compliation and tacked onto the end guitar solo of "Let's Go Crazy" is the drum intro to "Take Me With U". Jarring, sloppy, and not even the same song. Stop being an ass.


That example is a WAY over exaggeration...

That doesn't mean it's incorrect.


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"Damn" U has a definite ending....and it is not the intro to "Arrogance."  Like I said, it's just sloppy.



It didn’t happen...


Nope, it's an analogy.
"New Power slide...."
Reply #365 posted 10/10/18 11:08pm

leecaldon

Vannormal said:

Well,

I listened to the whole Anthology.

It's the worst 'sound' mixed compilation I've ever heard.

(The artwork even sucks, it's basically like a mediocre bootleg...)

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Just a couple of reasons why it's such a damn-bad-lazy-done mix :

Songs were just picked (brutal copied) from excisting releases, and 'glued' after each other.

There is no 'general' mix, no equal mastering of the compilation and certainly no level balances or peak treatments !

Most songs just aren't sequenced at all.

Listen for yourself to the worst transitions between these songs :

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'Emancipation' to 'Black Sweat' (this track has the lowest quality),

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'Call My Name' doesn't even have a fade at the end, just abruptly cut,

same goes for 'Endorphinmachine',

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'Musicology' (why that album transition is on here, i really don't understand),

also 'Ol Skool COmpany', and the lasting silence at the end of 'West', even 14 minutes long... why not have this song as the very last one ?

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'Muse 2 The Pharao''s end is brutal too, and the beginning of 'Somewhere Here On Earth' is lilke all others, just stolen from an album release...

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I think i'm gonna master this compilation for my own use.

Bunch of amateurs. wink

But isn't the point of this is that it's a playlist taking directly from the albums that have just gone online? It's not a compilation album, where you would want to make everything flow. The tracks need to link to their corresponding albums, which they wouldn't if they were edited in some way.

[Edited 10/13/18 15:03pm]

URL: http://prince.org/msg/7/456070/NEWS-Prince-s-post-1995-catalog-hits-streaming-services-including-new-1995-2010-Anthology

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