paulludvig said:

Camileyun said:

So, he accidentally took the strongest stuff only on that night but no other night that week after the Moline incident. Only on the night before rehab and after he had been tested for milder stuff already? I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I do think that seems a little too coincidental. Were there any Watson 853's that didn't have fentanyl in his stash? They didn't test every pill but I am sure they tested pills from every bottle.

paulludvig said:

Camileyun said:

P wasn't exactly the trusting type...He just met the guy 2 weeks earlier. Why did he make sure no fent. was in his system for a blood test, then go home and do fent.? He knew what was in those pills. [Edited 8/6/18 18:32pm]

We don't know that he made sure no fent was in his system. It just so happened that it wasn't. He had different pills around, and we don't know if he knew one from the other. They all looked the same.

[Edited 8/6/18 18:56pm]

SkipperLove said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

SkipperLove said:

So, he accidentally took the strongest stuff only on that night but no other night that week after the Moline incident. Only on the night before rehab and after he had been tested for milder stuff already? I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I do think that seems a little too coincidental. Were there any Watson 853's that didn't have fentanyl in his stash? They didn't test every pill but I am sure they tested pills from every bottle.

paulludvig said:

Camileyun said: We don't know that he made sure no fent was in his system. It just so happened that it wasn't. He had different pills around, and we don't know if he knew one from the other. They all looked the same.

[Edited 8/6/18 18:56pm]

He wasn't taking anything, which is what prompted KJ to take him to Dr.S to get withdrawal meds.

paulludvig said:

paulludvig said:

Camileyun said:

We don't know that he made sure no fent was in his system. It just so happened that it wasn't. He had different pills around, and we don't know if he knew one from the other. They all looked the same.[/quote He knew.

So that is your OPINION? Ok.

Many of the pills were separated, so he likely did that or at least knew which were stronger.

I also wonder after living for a week in some form of withdrawal and not feeling he could

share his situation with anyone except Kirk,(superficially), had already mentioned to Judith that he was bored and did what he came to do, that he just took the stronger stuff for relief or...?

He may have just felt so worn down

PennyPurple said:

Wasn't actually KJ who gave the Dr the pill? So P gave them nothing.

right, but there was more where that came from with P's DNA on it.

onlyforaminute said:

SkipperLove said:

So, he accidentally took the strongest stuff only on that night but no other night that week after the Moline incident. Only on the night before rehab and after he had been tested for milder stuff already? I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I do think that seems a little too coincidental. Were there any Watson 853's that didn't have fentanyl in his stash? They didn't test every pill but I am sure they tested pills from every bottle.

[Edited 8/6/18 18:56pm]

He wasn't taking anything, which is what prompted KJ to take him to Dr.S to get withdrawal meds.

His UA that day showed Diaudid and Vicodin

Camileyun said:

precioux said:

Not all OD patients are worth 300 million either. Nor do they have the backing to go after a hospital. Do I think it's right by suing? No. But we're talking about Prince here who WAS worth 300 million, and a 'visual inspection' of the 'possible pill' he OD'd on was simply not enough due dilligence on their part, as I'm sure whatever attorney brought this suit against the hospital is clearly aware of.

Ooh, now that would be an indictment against our healthcare system if someone gets special treatment solely because of their lot in life. I hope it doesn't work that way. It really all comes down to if some regulation exists that requires pills that OD victims claim they took to be tested (what if they took their last one?).

The thing is, is that it wasn't the last one and there were other pills to compare to

peggyon said:

onlyforaminute said:

He wasn't taking anything, which is what prompted KJ to take him to Dr.S to get withdrawal meds.

His UA that day showed Diaudid and Vicodin

And? What does that have to do with the days after Moline?

PennyPurple said:

Camileyun said:

mnfriend said: Yep, and that's probably why he said no. He let Dr. S do a blood test because he hadn't taken the fentanyl prior to the appointment.

Which again leads me to believe he knew which ones had fentanyl and which ones didn't.

Exactly. And like I've said before, with as 'health conscious' as Prince was, if he had taken something to lay him out like that and DIDN'T know what it was, he would've had every test under the sun ran to find out what the hell he took.

"Do you think your business is with those people you wrote about?

precioux said:

No, it's not the variable, as hydromorphone (Dilaudid) was found in Dr S's UA of Prince. Dilaudid is on the same level as Fentanyl

SkipperLove said:

When he tested prince, Prince didn't have fentanyl in his system. That's the only difference. When he had fentanyl in his system, he wanted no test. When he had milder opiods in his system, he agreed to a blood test. ALso, it might be because of the fact that one doctor is easier to keep track of. But the fentanyl is the variable.

Camileyun said:

paulludvig said: Same question, why did he trust Dr.S, a man willing to illegally write a Rx in someone else's name, not to go to the press?

[Edited 8/6/18 19:26pm]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Camileyun said:

I'll rock the boat even further...He knew what was in those pills, he probably took more than one...the LE and ME reports do not show the number of pills they believe he took or the amount of fent. found in the pills. They kept that information from the public because the compassionate ME wanted to honor the wishes of the family to cover up the suicide of an international icon. Just call it an accident, what's the harm? jmo [Edited 8/6/18 18:07pm]

+1

SkipperLove said:

She was interviewed when again? Did any of these people sound a least bit remorseful?

Krystalkisses said:

SkipperLove said:

Did she sound at all sympathetic? Or did she sound resentful? One of the reasons I didn't listen to her was because Debra's interview seemed so cavalier and callous. she almost seemed like she enjoyed the attention.

Actually, Crystal sounded very matter of fact about it. She came off as having a professional additude. In Theo London's telephone interview he told the interviewer about a situation where he heard a rumor that Prince was going to fire him and bring Crystal back and Theo confronted Prince about it and Prince told him not to worry and said Crystal will "...NEVER work For me again" and he was adamant. I don't know what she did to piss him off so much but she was the lady who said she didn't want to be his drug dealer with setting up Drs. Appointments for him...she is also the one saying ALL the associates knew about his substance abuse.

Krystalkisses said:

SkipperLove said:

Did she sound at all sympathetic? Or did she sound resentful? One of the reasons I didn't listen to her was because Debra's interview seemed so cavalier and callous. she almost seemed like she enjoyed the attention.

Actually, Crystal sounded very matter of fact about it. She came off as having a professional additude. In Theo London's telephone interview he told the interviewer about a situation where he heard a rumor that Prince was going to fire him and bring Crystal back and Theo confronted Prince about it and Prince told him not to worry and said Crystal will "...NEVER work For me again" and he was adamant. I don't know what she did to piss him off so much but she was the lady who said she didn't want to be his drug dealer with setting up Drs. Appointments for him...she is also the one saying ALL the associates knew about his substance abuse.

But Crystal did work for him again, by doing some contract work for him.

Krystalkisses said:

Was there any rhyme and reason to his pills. I just read an article again that contended that some bottles contained a cocktail of different pills. So I was wrong about the fentanyl being in all the Watson stuff. But I find it really hard to believe that Prince couldn't have gotten pills with much better quality control. Is it possible P was intentionally playing Russian Roulette? Knowing that suicide is supposedly a sin.

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Which again leads me to believe he knew which ones had fentanyl and which ones didn't.

Exactly. And like I've said before, with as 'health conscious' as Prince was, if he had taken something to lay him out like that and DIDN'T know what it was, he would've had every test under the sun ran to find out what the hell he took.

Against whom? Prince or all the people around him who "knew"?

paulludvig said:

Krystalkisses said:

Actually, Crystal sounded very matter of fact about it. She came off as having a professional additude. In Theo London's telephone interview he told the interviewer about a situation where he heard a rumor that Prince was going to fire him and bring Crystal back and Theo confronted Prince about it and Prince told him not to worry and said Crystal will "...NEVER work For me again" and he was adamant. I don't know what she did to piss him off so much but she was the lady who said she didn't want to be his drug dealer with setting up Drs. Appointments for him...she is also the one saying ALL the associates knew about his substance abuse.

Perhaps if he fired her she has an axe to grind?

paulludvig said:

SkipperLove said:

PennyPurple said:

onlyforaminute said:

peggyon said:

His UA that day showed Diaudid and Vicodin

And? What does that have to do with the days after Moline?

He ws taking opiates post-Moline, they showed in his urine test ordered by D S . They were not strong enough, hence his withdrawal symptoms.

[Edited 8/6/18 20:14pm]

A man they knew died. Its sad. But I just went back and looked and their interviews were in February and March of 2017. Almost a year later. So neutrality is a bit more understandable at that point.

I looked through the pill info again. I think they should have tested more pills to get if the pills corresponded with the bottles. Judging by what they tested it appears that pills were designated by bottle.. probably a dealer's idea to keep them seperated.

Only one bottle had two different types of the pills (lidocaine and hydro pills) The rest of the bottles appear to contain pills containing hybrids of chemicals... The bottles with pills made of Fentanyl mixed with lidocaine and other components were the Bayer, the jewerly box and the pharmacy bottle. Its still possible he knew. What confuses me if that the dilaudid/hydrocodone found in his blood by Shulbarg doesn't seem to be listed. Is it possible the pills Kirk said he got rid of were those..or am I missing something? Dilaudid is to nicotine patch as fentanyl is to a cigarette according to Dr.D. So, Prince took a milder form of fentanyl which proved to not be lethal. Then took fentanyl that night that proved to be lethal.

Krystalkisses said:

SkipperLove said:

She was interviewed when again? Did any of these people sound a least bit remorseful?

Why would they need to be remorseful? Prince was their boss...it was a very limited relationship unlike with others like KJ and some others.

[Edited 8/6/18 21:11pm]

I'm not big on conspiracy theories, but I came across something tonight that is very bizarre. You'll probably all laugh or shame me off the org for mentioning it, but I'm going to mention it anyways. There is a blind gossip item posted today on a site called CrazyDaysandNights that seems to be about Prince. Link: http://www.crazydaysandni...item.html. It basically states:

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"This one is about "royalty":
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By the time the "intervention" happened, he was of course already dead. What even at least one of the household staff knew though was that he had been found hours earlier, and a secret team of doctors - already on call - was unable to bring him back. So, in the interest of publicity, a rehab staffer (was no one suspicious that the highest level people were not sent for such a famous person?) was summoned from the coast, and voila, tragically-failed-nick-of-time ending."

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I know, I know...gossip sites - how immature of me, but it's kind of like reading a People mag at the hairdressers. Sometimes I have a look. The answers of the responders will drive you all nuts (the old AIDS gossip, misrepresenting what was in the reports, etc.) but there are a few strange replies mentioning things I had not heard before. I had to wonder - why now, after more than 2 years would something like this be posted? Take it for what it is (take it or leave it), I just thought some here might find it interesting. (Please don't shoot the messenger!)