Bodhitheblackdog said:

AA1slot said:

From what I read there was no dilaudid found. If so, please someone, point out the source since this is how rumours get started. The cherry, spoon and powder is a miniature of an artwork in downtown Mpls. Look it up! It was also cited in one of the reports i read. i will see if i can find it. If he took all that, he would have been dead long before April. Had a relative hooked on Dilaudid and he OD"d more than once, but thankfully lived to tell the tale.

Response 584 on this thread / not found but IN HIS BODY.....

Dr S test showed hydrocodone and hydromorphone.

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Correct...when is this elephant in the room going to quit being ignored??? Or is it that only about 3 of us have actually MADE the connection(?)

HydroMORPHONE is chemically DILAUDID, which was not found anywhere in the search.

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Thanks for that and presumed it would have been in his body. BTW, the mini of the cherry and spoon is called Spoonbridge and Cherry. https://walkerart.org/col...and-cherry DESCRIPTION is

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PennyPurple said:

206Michelle said:

PennyPurple said:

I think it's just a standard form for them to use. Some people have lot's of things that contribute to their death. I don't think it means he had 3 other things, it's just fill in the blank form.

If the lawsuit goes ahead against the hospital in Moline and Walgreens, the full autopsy results might have to be revealed.

Would the public be privy to the full autopsy report if it were subject to discovery during litigation? [Edited 7/2/18 19:06pm]

I don't know for sure Michelle. I just can't imagine how it is the hospital or Walgreen's fault.

AA1slot said:

Thanks for that and presumed it would have been in his body. BTW, the mini of the cherry and spoon is called Spoonbridge and Cherry. https://walkerart.org/col...and-cherry DESCRIPTION is

A large spoon with a cherry suspended on the rim. Water exits the cherry from both ends of the black cherry stem. Sculpture weighs approximately 7000 lbs.. The more i read about the composition of the pills, I don't think he knew what he was taking imho.

[Edited 7/2/18 18:56pm]

We are talking about the substance in front of the spoon, that looked like a pile of powder that had been splattered out. It's in one of the pictures LE took.

PennyPurple said:

AA1slot said:

Thanks for that and presumed it would have been in his body. BTW, the mini of the cherry and spoon is called Spoonbridge and Cherry. https://walkerart.org/col...and-cherry DESCRIPTION is

A large spoon with a cherry suspended on the rim. Water exits the cherry from both ends of the black cherry stem. Sculpture weighs approximately 7000 lbs.. The more i read about the composition of the pills, I don't think he knew what he was taking imho.

[Edited 7/2/18 18:56pm]

We are talking about the substance in front of the spoon, that looked like a pile of powder that had been splattered out. It's in one of the pictures LE took.

Post 529, http://prince.org/msg/7/4...&pg=18

206Michelle said:

Would the public be privy to the full autopsy report if it were subject to discovery during litigation?

The autopsy would only be privy to the plaintiffs and defendants attorneys, with stipulations attached.

If the case actually goes to trial the autopsy will most certainly become public because court proceedings are open to the public pursuant to the Constitution.

based on how the white stuff is splattered, it looks like it was dropped on the surface. Looking at it, I'm wondering if it's even really "powder." Some of it looks more like "chunks." Perhaps it's a piece of those foamy tile things that line the dropped ceiling above?

luv4u said:

PennyPurple said:

We are talking about the substance in front of the spoon, that looked like a pile of powder that had been splattered out. It's in one of the pictures LE took.

Post 529, http://prince.org/msg/7/4...&pg=18

[Edited 7/2/18 20:25pm]

fyi if you're interested in the chemical analysis of the pills found at PP, scroll to page 152 of the investigation files.

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A couple things to note: The report says only which of three drugs -- fentanyl, hydrocodone, and lidocaine -- each tested counterfeit pill contained; it doesn't say the amount of the drug(s) in each pill. If the pills contained other stuff too, the report doesn't say; it mentions just those three drugs. The counterfeit pills were found in a few different containers; some pills may have been plain white (those contained fentanyl and lidocaine) but most were labeled Watson 853, which is the label applied to legit hydrocodone-acetominphen pills -- brand name Vicodin.

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Each fake Vicodin contained either fentanyl and lidocaine, just lidocaine or just hydrocodone (most containers held just one kind of pill, but one Vitamin C bottle contained a mix of hydrocodone and lidocaine pills). Also, they only tested one sample pill from among those that looked identical in a particular container.

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On page 185, the investigators get feedback from the DEA about the counterfeit pills:

"DEA was unable to locate a similar pill composition...Officer Voller commented that this was not necessarily surprising as they are seeing these types of pills being mixed with whatever is around or whatever is easily available. "

purplefam99 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

This might be the moment to step back and recognize that Prince has now reliably been tagged as injesting :

Fentanyl
Hydrocodone (Vicodin)
Hydromororphone (Dilaudid)
Oxycodone (Percocet)

...and Lidocaine (!?) and perhaps other substances...

So maybe the origin of the pills is less important than the picture of sheer delf-destruction the above paints.

Two of those I think he thought were the same. But it is destructive even if it were one drug listed.

[Edited 7/2/18 22:34pm]

disch said:

Ive just caught up on three days of this thread.

Thanks Penny Purple for taking a little control of the discussion,

by presenting actual files..

and keeping things on track.

PennyPurple said:

AA1slot said:

Thanks for that and presumed it would have been in his body. BTW, the mini of the cherry and spoon is called Spoonbridge and Cherry. https://walkerart.org/col...and-cherry DESCRIPTION is

A large spoon with a cherry suspended on the rim. Water exits the cherry from both ends of the black cherry stem. Sculpture weighs approximately 7000 lbs.. The more i read about the composition of the pills, I don't think he knew what he was taking imho.

[Edited 7/2/18 18:56pm]

We are talking about the substance in front of the spoon, that looked like a pile of powder that had been splattered out. It's in one of the pictures LE took.

Yes, read the files and understood that and has luv4u pointed out it was addressed in an earlier thread. Thank you luv4u

[Edited 7/3/18 1:12am]

[Edited 7/3/18 1:17am]

ChocolateBox3121 said:

peggyon said:

I agree as well, he was clearly a generous spirit in many ways.

And would NEVER deliberately take his own life no matter how much pain he was in..

No..

Im not buying the "He had a kill Pill Tailor made " Theory..

Lovejunky said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

And would NEVER deliberately take his own life no matter how much pain he was in..

No..

Im not buying the "He had a kill Pill Tailor made " Theory..

This.

purplefam99 said:

disch said:

based on how the white stuff is splattered, it looks like it was dropped on the surface. Looking at it, I'm wondering if it's even really "powder." Some of it looks more like "chunks." Perhaps it's a piece of those foamy tile things that line the dropped ceiling above?

[Edited 7/2/18 20:25pm]

It looks like paper based insulation

Yeah, it looks too thick and chunky to really be a powder.

AA1slot said:

LittlemissG said:

AA1slot said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Correct...when is this elephant in the room going to quit being ignored??? Or is it that only about 3 of us have actually MADE the connection(?)

HydroMORPHONE is chemically DILAUDID, which was not found anywhere in the search.

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Thanks for that and presumed it would have been in his body. BTW, the mini of the cherry and spoon is called Spoonbridge and Cherry. https://walkerart.org/col...and-cherry DESCRIPTION is

A large spoon with a cherry suspended on the rim. Water exits the cherry from both ends of the black cherry stem. Sculpture weighs approximately 7000 lbs.. The more i read about the composition of the pills, I don't think he knew what he was taking imho.

[Edited 7/2/18 18:56pm]

I was leaning towards Prince knew, but after Disch's input and views, I am not undecided. The pills could have been separated by batches and not content (paraphasing Disch). It is frustrating trying to understand this at times and it seems like a carousel. I go one way then look at it and go another.

PennyPurple said:

206Michelle said:

PennyPurple said: Would the public be privy to the full autopsy report if it were subject to discovery during litigation? [Edited 7/2/18 19:06pm]

I don't know for sure Michelle. I just can't imagine how it is the hospital or Walgreen's fault.

I think Walgreen's lawsuit will be dismissed. I do not see how they can be held liable. Now, Moline, there could be some arguement there in regards to the testing, but that, to me, is the only real angle the lawsuit has.

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't know for sure Michelle. I just can't imagine how it is the hospital or Walgreen's fault.

I think Walgreen's lawsuit will be dismissed. I do not see how they can be held liable. Now, Moline, there could be some arguement there in regards to the testing, but that, to me, is the only real angle the lawsuit has.

my understanding is that the hosp. did no testing of any pills, just eyeballed them, which is obviously unscientific...BUT, as Prince declined to let them take any bodily fluids for testing...what purpose would have been served by testing the pills?...what would they have been compared to?Let's say they analyized the content of the pills and said YIKES, this pill contains_____________.There's still no way to prove what was in Prince's body or what he took....I don't understand this lawsuit at all. Any other perspectives out there?

nelcp777 said:

PennyPurple said:

I don't know for sure Michelle. I just can't imagine how it is the hospital or Walgreen's fault.

I think Walgreen's lawsuit will be dismissed. I do not see how they can be held liable. Now, Moline, there could be some arguement there in regards to the testing, but that, to me, is the only real angle the lawsuit has.

If there is basis for a lawsuit, I feel they will likely settle of court; however, these cases seem very weak.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

nelcp777 said:

I think Walgreen's lawsuit will be dismissed. I do not see how they can be held liable. Now, Moline, there could be some arguement there in regards to the testing, but that, to me, is the only real angle the lawsuit has.

my understanding is that the hosp. did no testing of any pills, just eyeballed them, which is obviously unscientific...BUT, as Prince declined to let them take any bodily fluids for testing...what purpose would have been served by testing the pills?...what would they have been compared to?Let's say they analyized the content of the pills and said YIKES, this pill contains_____________.There's still no way to prove what was in Prince's body or what he took....I don't understand this lawsuit at all. Any other perspectives out there?

I wonder how long it would've taken for the pill to be sent to a lab for testing? I mean he wouldn't even let them admit him. What else were they supposed to do? And Walgreen's how were they to know that the scripts in KJ's name were for Prince?

I think the family is just trying to get all the $$ they can. At this point I think this is the only thing they care about. These lawsuits are just frivolous.

My perspective on the Moline lawsuit is an attempt to get money. Lots of money. Any type of money. That hospital was not liable. The patient did not permit proper medical care. But it might be cheaper for the hospital to settle without admitting liability for a lesser sum than to go to the mat on this.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

disch said:

I agree that your theory seems like the most likely scenario (80tomato: Lidocaine is commonly used in illegal drugs as a cutting agent, a cheap and often useless substance used to bulk up more expensive narcotics)

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The idea that he had all his pills custom made to exact specs seems unlikely to me for a few reasons:

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- Why would he purposely pay for some pills that contained nothing but cheap lidocaine, given that oral lidocaine has no real purpose or desireable effect?

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- If he specifically ordered up pills with various different chemical compositions, why would some of these pills be made to look identical (i.e., be stamped Watson 853)? Apparently there were a lot of these 853 pills, some of which were just lidocaine, some were fentanyl/lidocaine, some were just hydrocodone, etc. From my understanding, some of these different-composition pills were even found mixed together in the same bottle (the Vitamin C bottle). Woulddn't he want to make sure all his bespoke pills were visually distinct and separated from each other?

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I may be wrong about some of the pill-composition stuff (freel free to point me to the page where I can find it all), but my impressions wasn't that it represented precision organization. It struck me as more haphazard, and more in line with his supplier simply giving him a badly produced batch(es).

This might be the moment to step back and recognize that Prince has now reliably been tagged as injesting :

Fentanyl
Hydrocodone (Vicodin)
Hydromororphone (Dilaudid)
Oxycodone (Percocet)

...and Lidocaine (!?) and perhaps other substances...

So maybe the origin of the pills is less important than the picture of sheer delf-destruction the above paints.

well said...was that list a copy and paste from my orgnote?

add to the list Tylenol #3 (Dr Boo to KJ)

General statements- not directed at Bodhi *And let me be clear-as I stated dilaudid was not found in the search, meaning in physical pill/injectable or any other form. it WAS found in his body through a UA (urinalysis) test completed by Dr. S

*Still waiting on what the powedery substance is(?)

*if anyone thinks that these batches were not intentionally separated, you're not thinking clear- or at all.

Good luck wth that

[Edited 7/3/18 10:32am]

[Edited 7/3/18 10:54am]

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

This might be the moment to step back and recognize that Prince has now reliably been tagged as injesting :

Fentanyl
Hydrocodone (Vicodin)
Hydromororphone (Dilaudid)
Oxycodone (Percocet)

...and Lidocaine (!?) and perhaps other substances...

So maybe the origin of the pills is less important than the picture of sheer delf-destruction the above paints.

And possibly Ecstasy, someone had said that those empty bags in his room tested positive for it.

I apologize if someone has corrected this already- but no, that was from the dumpster outside. I believe ISLIJAG posted this from the "items in question"

precioux said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

This might be the moment to step back and recognize that Prince has now reliably been tagged as injesting :

Fentanyl
Hydrocodone (Vicodin)
Hydromororphone (Dilaudid)
Oxycodone (Percocet)

...and Lidocaine (!?) and perhaps other substances...

So maybe the origin of the pills is less important than the picture of sheer delf-destruction the above paints.

well said...was that list a copy and paste from my orgnote?

add to the list Tylenol #3 (Dr Boo to KJ)

General statements- not directed at Bodhi *And let me be clear-as I stated dilaudid was not found in the search, meaning in physical pill/injectable or any other form. it WAS found in his body through a UA (urinalysis) test completed by Dr. S

*Still waiting on what the powedery substance is(?)

*if anyone thinks that these batches were not intentionally separated, you're not thinking clear- or at all.

Good luck wth that

[Edited 7/3/18 10:32am]

[Edited 7/3/18 10:54am]

Yes, my bad in not quoting you...you have been SO ahead of the curve for SO long I may have spaced out and thought everyone would know it came from you!!!

AA1slot said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

precioux said:

well said...was that list a copy and paste from my orgnote?

add to the list Tylenol #3 (Dr Boo to KJ)

General statements- not directed at Bodhi *And let me be clear-as I stated dilaudid was not found in the search, meaning in physical pill/injectable or any other form. it WAS found in his body through a UA (urinalysis) test completed by Dr. S

*Still waiting on what the powedery substance is(?)

*if anyone thinks that these batches were not intentionally separated, you're not thinking clear- or at all.

Good luck wth that

[Edited 7/3/18 10:32am]

[Edited 7/3/18 10:54am]

Yes, my bad in not quoting you...you have been SO ahead of the curve for SO long I may have spaced out and thought everyone would know it came from you!!!

you know I luv ya!

precioux said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

Yes, my bad in not quoting you...you have been SO ahead of the curve for SO long I may have spaced out and thought everyone would know it came from you!!!

you know I luv ya!

you're the best...thanks for all your research and tough love/wisdom...it really matters.

precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

my understanding is that the hosp. did no testing of any pills, just eyeballed them, which is obviously unscientific...BUT, as Prince declined to let them take any bodily fluids for testing...what purpose would have been served by testing the pills?...what would they have been compared to?Let's say they analyized the content of the pills and said YIKES, this pill contains_____________.There's still no way to prove what was in Prince's body or what he took....I don't understand this lawsuit at all. Any other perspectives out there?

I wonder how long it would've taken for the pill to be sent to a lab for testing? I mean he wouldn't even let them admit him. What else were they supposed to do? And Walgreen's how were they to know that the scripts in KJ's name were for Prince?

I think the family is just trying to get all the $$ they can. At this point I think this is the only thing they care about. These lawsuits are just frivolous.

I am with each of you in regards to the lawsuits, I was just trying to provide some angle. I think they do not have merit. Even if the pill was tested, Prince would have been back at PP by then.