Mumio said:

Don't be such a jealous harpy over laurarichardson. If you had one ounce of integrity you wouldn't be so desperate to pick on someone who is no longer on the site to defend herself.

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Why is she no longer on the site? It takes an awful lot of repeated assholishness to get banned around here.

funksterr said:

Wow. Thank you for all that. The picture is becoming so much more clear. Hopefully one day everyone can be truthful and stop the smoke and mirror show and all of this can be utilized to help others or prevent others from making the same mistakes. Vanity and Pride are sins for a reason.
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Mumio said:

Don't be such a jealous harpy over laurarichardson. If you had one ounce of integrity you wouldn't be so desperate to pick on someone who is no longer on the site to defend herself. But that's how cowards like yourself always behave so no surprise there. Nothing like a good verbal beat-down from a woman like laura, is there? I know it provided plenty of amusement for many here. It's pretty clear she isn't missing you or the others who are turning this forum into a hater's paradise.

fortuneandserendipity said:

But the screenshot allusions (illusions really) to pancreatic cancer, the ad campaign propagated by the Nelsons? That is, according to LR who you praised for her powers of logic. Presumably for putting 2 and 2 together?! lol

You can admit you're wrong at any time, or you can wait 28 years :hmm2

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But she was the resident drug expert, remember? She was so sure no such person could function on a high level because she's a scholar on the subject. And you and others agreed with her. When actually the problem you've both got is practically ZERO emotional intelligence. Ask yourself why you consider me, bod, herb and others, haters? You would probably benefit from some learned buddhist sayings, ya know to learn more about life.

Really you have to be dense to think we're here because we hate Prince; that we so hate the fact his music and live performances have bettered our lives, that we've got nothing better to do with our time? Go and bother Bart van whatever his name is if you're attracted to that energy.

herb4 said:

Mumio said:

Don't be such a jealous harpy over laurarichardson. If you had one ounce of integrity you wouldn't be so desperate to pick on someone who is no longer on the site to defend herself.

[Edited 5/30/18 10:15am]

Why is she no longer on the site? It takes an awful lot of repeated assholishness to get banned around here.

[Snip - luv4u]

Bodhitheblackdog said:

herb4 said:

Why is she no longer on the site? It takes an awful lot of repeated assholishness to get banned around here.

[Snip - luv4u]

fortuneandserendipity said:

206Michelle said:

I just want to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

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This is just my opinion, but I feel that those orgers who want Prince to have had a terminal illness may be fearful that Prince's death will be lumped in with the deaths of other famous musicians who died from substance abuse/overdoses: Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Amy Winehouse, Janis Joplin, Elvis Presley, and Jimi Hendrix, among others. I feel that this fear is understandable.

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So true. They don't want to believe the 'flawed genius' narrative. Let's face it though, most geniuses in history are said to have had psychological issues. Take Leonardo Da Vinci for instance. Widely considered to be the greatest ever all round genius, nevertheless he reputedly had major psychological problems.

Leonardo also died at 57. The same age as Prince. I hope some here aren't offended by the comparison. But you never know

Leonardo who?

Astasheiks said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

So true. They don't want to believe the 'flawed genius' narrative. Let's face it though, most geniuses in history are said to have had psychological issues. Take Leonardo Da Vinci for instance. Widely considered to be the greatest ever all round genius, nevertheless he reputedly had major psychological problems.

Leonardo also died at 57. The same age as Prince. I hope some here aren't offended by the comparison. But you never know

Leonardo who?

Leonardo DiCaprio, the environmentalist

fortuneandserendipity said:

Astasheiks said:

Leonardo who?

Leonardo DiCaprio, the environmentalist

If you mean Da Vinci, he was 67

ThatWhiteDude said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Leonardo DiCaprio, the environmentalist

If you mean Da Vinci, he was 67

You're right. I read somewhere he was 57. Damn. But when you look at this diagram maybe 57 for a musician isn't so bad

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herb4 said:

Astasheiks said:

I'm saying I wonder could P have had his own lab with the amount of money he had to test his shyte! (even if it was expensive). I saying, I wonder could Powers That Be have found out who he was getting his stuff from and Paid that s.o.b. to lace those pills with that Fentanyl!

LOL. Yeah, fuck no. Hahaha...the secret pill manufacturing lab in Paisley Park's secret Bat Cave. Holy shit! That's why he was in the elevator! It's all coming together!

I'm not saying a secret pill manufacturing lab at PP! [Name calling snip - luv4u] I said it would have been nice if the stuff he got outside of a pharmacy could have been tested somehow!!!!

For a musician, 57 is "old" but for the average person that's still too young and the way he went wasn't natural either.

fortuneandserendipity said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

If you mean Da Vinci, he was 67

You're right. I read somewhere he was 57. Damn. But when you look at this diagram maybe 57 for a musician isn't so bad

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Bodhitheblackdog said:

Astasheiks said:

I'm saying I wonder could P have had his own lab with the amount of money he had to test his shyte! (even if it was expensive). I saying, I wonder could Powers That Be have found out who he was getting his stuff from and Paid that s.o.b. to lace those pills with that Fentanyl!

OMG, Please tell me we're not in Woo Woo Land again...

"On April 14, 2016, while flying back to Minnesota from a concert in Atlanta, investigators think Prince suffered an opioid overdose after unwittingly taking a counterfeit Vicodin pill that was laced with fentanyl. He was resuscitated with Narcan at an airport in Illinois, Metz said."

Bodhitheblackdog said:

herb4 said:

Why is she no longer on the site? It takes an awful lot of repeated assholishness to get banned around here.

[Snip - luv4u]

Wait...are you calling ME an asshole? If so, guilty as charged on occassion. But I haven't been banned.

Oh, wait. No. I got you now. I think.

I'd say the forums are better overall that she's gone. She dominated every discussion, set every tone for every thread and was like a person at a party that wouldn't shut the fuck up no matter what the topic or whether she knew the knew the first thing about it. I THOUGHT the forums seemed less idiotic, spastic, obnoxious and slightly more chill but I couldn't put my finger on it, but now it makes sense. And to whoever said "don't pick on someone on someone who's not here to defend herself"...

Jesus Christ.

She damn near made a fucking CAREER out of posting insufferable noise 24/7 and had constant opportunies to "defend" herself from the deserved blowback she recieved. A lot of which was from from me. Like, how much of an obnoxious shitposter and how large does the signal to noise have to get before you get BANNED from this fucking place? Assuming that's what happened. Maybe I'll find out since I talk a lot of shit. I wouldn't worry about her. She can probably find a job in the Trump cabinet.

Moving on...

Prince grew addicted to painkillers over time, may or may not have had a liver problem that affected his appearance and health towards the end (I buy this theory) , and accidentally overdosed on some counterfeit pills that he didn't know were "laced" or "hot" and that he likely procured through nefarious means; probably througha trusted friend. It wasn't his fault and nobody intentionally murdered him.

He refused help and was left alone because that's how Prince fucking was and what he wanted. He always made his own rules and if you didn't follow them you were right out of his Paisley Planet. Period. He wasn't a "junkie" in any traditional or binary sense and, in all likelihood, his addiction grew very gradually over time. Doesn't make him weak, pathetic, a hypocrite, a loser or tarnish his legacy ONE BIT, no matter what your personal feelings about drug usage or anecdotal evidence to their obvious drawbacks. He accomplished more in 5 years than I have in my enitre lifetime and, IMO, shame on anyone who has to do mental backflips, self rationalize and seek out made up mysteries, conspiracies and "unanswered questions!!!" to make his death fit their predetermined worldview of who is and who is not a "hero" or a "loser" or whatever it is you think "righteous people" do. Or should do.

He lived human and he died human. Like we all do. Some of you folks here need to check yourself and realize he was just a man.

Astasheiks said:

herb4 said:

LOL. Yeah, fuck no. Hahaha...the secret pill manufacturing lab in Paisley Park's secret Bat Cave. Holy shit! That's why he was in the elevator! It's all coming together!

I'm not saying a secret pill manufacturing lab at PP! [Name calling snip - luv4u] I said it would have been nice if the stuff he got outside of a pharmacy could have been tested somehow!!!!

Yeah. That would have been good. How would you suggest someone go about that?

Generally folks who acquire drugs illegally aren't too keen to draw attention to that fact by, say, bringing their stash to some chemistry lab for testing.

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Look, clearly whatever concern Prince had about the safety of his supply was far outstripped by his need/desire for these pills and his need/desire to acquire them through "unofficial" channels. A better way for his to stay safe? If he could have stuck to pills that came directly to him from a legit pharmacy.

herb4 said:

Astasheiks said:

I'm not saying a secret pill manufacturing lab at PP! [Name calling snip - luv4u] I said it would have been nice if the stuff he got outside of a pharmacy could have been tested somehow!!!!

Yeah. That would have been good. How would you suggest someone go about that?

herb4 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

[Snip - luv4u]

Wait...are you calling ME an asshole? If so, guilty as charged on occassion. But I haven't been banned.

Oh, wait. No. I got you now. I think.

I'd say the forums are better overall that she's gone. She dominated every discussion, set every tone for every thread and was like a person at a party that wouldn't shut the fuck up no matter what the topic or whether she knew the knew the first thing about it. I THOUGHT the forums seemed less idiotic, spastic, obnoxious and slightly more chill but I couldn't put my finger on it, but now it makes sense. And to whoever said "don't pick on someone on someone who's not here to defend herself"...

Jesus Christ.

She damn near made a fucking CAREER out of posting insufferable noise 24/7 and had constant opportunies to "defend" herself from the deserved blowback she recieved. A lot of which was from from me. Like, how much of an obnoxious shitposter and how large does the signal to noise have to get before you get BANNED from this fucking place? Assuming that's what happened. Maybe I'll find out since I talk a lot of shit. I wouldn't worry about her. She can probably find a job in the Trump cabinet.

Moving on...

Prince grew addicted to painkillers over time, may or may not have had a liver problem that affected his appearance and health towards the end (I buy this theory) , and accidentally overdosed on some counterfeit pills that he didn't know were "laced" or "hot" and that he likely procured through nefarious means; probably througha trusted friend. It wasn't his fault and nobody intentionally murdered him.

He refused help and was left alone because that's how Prince fucking was and what he wanted. He always made his own rules and if you didn't follow them you were right out of his Paisley Planet. Period. He wasn't a "junkie" in any traditional or binary sense and, in all likelihood, his addiction grew very gradually over time. Doesn't make him weak, pathetic, a hypocrite, a loser or tarnish his legacy ONE BIT, no matter what your personal feelings about drug usage or anecdotal evidence to their obvious drawbacks. He accomplished more in 5 years than I have in my enitre lifetime and, IMO, shame on anyone who has to do mental backflips, self rationalize and seek out made up mysteries, conspiracies and "unanswered questions!!!" to make his death fit their predetermined worldview of who is and who is not a "hero" or a "loser" or whatever it is you think "righteous people" do. Or should do.

He lived human and he died human. Like we all do. Some of you folks here need to check yourself and realize he was just a man.

GREAT comments re LR and as for the last bolded, once upon a time you said

”Some of these loons think Prince never had to wipe himself because all he ever shat was incense and rainbows.”

I am VERY jealous I didn't write such a kick ass sentence!

Missed you!!!

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disch said:

Generally folks who acquire drugs illegally aren't too keen to draw attention to that fact by, say, bringing their stash to some chemistry lab for testing.

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Look, clearly whatever concern Prince had about the safety of his supply was far outstripped by his need/desire for these pills and his need/desire to acquire them through "unofficial" channels. A better way for his to stay safe? If he could have stuck to pills that came directly to him from a legit pharmacy.

herb4 said:

Yeah. That would have been good. How would you suggest someone go about that?

He trusted his friend(s). I don't think he was a routine regular and traditional "drug user" like someone scoring a bag of grass or an 8 ball of coke who routinely needed to "know somebody". He was legally prescribed these things, got hooked and, when he needed more went the most private route, as was his way, by using his closest confidants who were few in number by Prince's own design. I think he was probably naive about drugs for the most part since I honestly believe that really wasn't his thing.

This shit can creep up on you and take control. The legality of it makes it easier since, in the mind of the user, it's not "dirty" nor "criminal". When you get hooked, you rationalize things and don't consider yourself an addict, especially since it was given to you by a DOCTOR. I know first hand.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

herb4 said:

buncha stuff

GREAT comments re LR and as for the last bolded, once upon a time you said

”Some of these loons think Prince never had to wipe himself because all he ever shat was incense and rainbows.”

[Edited 5/30/18 15:06pm]

I don't remember writing that but it certainly sounds like something I'd say. Thanks for making me laugh and reminding me I can be funny by telling me my own joke.

Truth be told, if anyone could ever shit incense OR rainbows, it would be Prince. For all I know, he likely managed it once or twice. Probably at the same time. He WAS that brilliant. Probably a unicorn was watching and some gold dust came out.

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herb4 said:

disch said:

Generally folks who acquire drugs illegally aren't too keen to draw attention to that fact by, say, bringing their stash to some chemistry lab for testing.

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Look, clearly whatever concern Prince had about the safety of his supply was far outstripped by his need/desire for these pills and his need/desire to acquire them through "unofficial" channels. A better way for his to stay safe? If he could have stuck to pills that came directly to him from a legit pharmacy.

He trusted his friend(s). I don't think he was a routine regular and traditional "drug user" like someone scoring a bag of grass or an 8 ball of coke who routinely needed to "know somebody". He was legally prescribed these things, got hooked and, when he needed more went the most private route, as was his way, by using his closest confidants who were few in number by Prince's own design. I think he was probably naive about drugs for the most part since I honestly believe that really wasn't his thing.

This shit can creep up on you and take control. The legality of it makes it easier since, in the mind of the user, it's not "dirty" nor "criminal". When you get hooked, you rationalize things and don't consider yourself an addict, especially since it was given to you by a DOCTOR. I know first hand.

herb4 said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

GREAT comments re LR and as for the last bolded, once upon a time you said

”Some of these loons think Prince never had to wipe himself because all he ever shat was incense and rainbows.”

[Edited 5/30/18 15:06pm]

I don't remember writing that but it certainly sounds like something I'd say. Thanks for making me laugh and reminding me I can be funny by telling me my own joke.

Truth be told, if anyone could ever shit incense OR rainbows, it would be Prince. For all I know, he likely managed it once or twice. Probably at the same time. He WAS that brilliant. Probably a unicorn was watching and some gold dust came out.

[Edited 5/30/18 15:18pm]

LMAO

I don't know if I agree that he was naive about drugs; I think he had plenty of exposure to them, both legally and illegally (not necessarily his own use but by people in his world) over the years.

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In his audio interview from the investigation files, his bodyguard "Romeo" said that Prince told him he had done drugs at other times "when he was lost" and "didn't know what his purpose was" (I'm paraphrasing here but that was the gist) -- but that was in the past. Who knows what that means, but I don't think he was a babe in the woods.

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I do think his supplier was a human he had direct contact with (rather than some dark web/bitcoin thing mail-order thing).

herb4 said:

disch said:

Generally folks who acquire drugs illegally aren't too keen to draw attention to that fact by, say, bringing their stash to some chemistry lab for testing.

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Look, clearly whatever concern Prince had about the safety of his supply was far outstripped by his need/desire for these pills and his need/desire to acquire them through "unofficial" channels. A better way for his to stay safe? If he could have stuck to pills that came directly to him from a legit pharmacy.

He trusted his friend(s). I don't think he was a routine regular and traditional "drug user" like someone scoring a bag of grass or an 8 ball of coke who routinely needed to "know somebody". He was legally prescribed these things, got hooked and, when he needed more went the most private route, as was his way, by using his closest confidants who were few in number by Prince's own design. I think he was probably naive about drugs for the most part since I honestly believe that really wasn't his thing.

This shit can creep up on you and take control. The legality of it makes it easier since, in the mind of the user, it's not "dirty" nor "criminal". When you get hooked, you rationalize things and don't consider yourself an addict, especially since it was given to you by a DOCTOR. I know first hand.

herb4 said:

disch said:

Generally folks who acquire drugs illegally aren't too keen to draw attention to that fact by, say, bringing their stash to some chemistry lab for testing.

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Look, clearly whatever concern Prince had about the safety of his supply was far outstripped by his need/desire for these pills and his need/desire to acquire them through "unofficial" channels. A better way for his to stay safe? If he could have stuck to pills that came directly to him from a legit pharmacy.

He trusted his friend(s). I don't think he was a routine regular and traditional "drug user" like someone scoring a bag of grass or an 8 ball of coke who routinely needed to "know somebody". He was legally prescribed these things, got hooked and, when he needed more went the most private route, as was his way, by using his closest confidants who were few in number by Prince's own design. I think he was probably naive about drugs for the most part since I honestly believe that really wasn't his thing.

This shit can creep up on you and take control. The legality of it makes it easier since, in the mind of the user, it's not "dirty" nor "criminal". When you get hooked, you rationalize things and don't consider yourself an addict, especially since it was given to you by a DOCTOR. I know first hand.

In my opinion, the legal status and food+wine concept of alcohol result in people underestimating its dangers relative to other drugs.

With opiates...wow. I can only imagine what it's like to have a medical need and the sanctioning of a doctor's prescription when a person starts on a course of them. In fact, I remember taking a few pills on the day of wisdom tooth removal, back in the 1990s. At that time, I took those few pills without a second thought, and I didn't have an idea in my head about people getting hooked on them. What a different world.

Of course, many people are able to control use and have no problem with alcohol and opiates. Opiates have spared a lot of people a lot of pain.

Each person comes to these drugs with a different vulnerability/background. It's not an even playing field starting out, and some end up badly harmed down the road.

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disch said:

I don't know if I agree that he was naive about drugs; I think he had plenty of exposure to them, both legally and illegally (not necessarily his own use but by people in his world) over the years.

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In his audio interview from the investigation files, his bodyguard "Romeo" said that Prince told him he had done drugs at other times "when he was lost" and "didn't know what his purpose was" (I'm paraphrasing here but that was the gist) -- but that was in the past. Who knows what that means, but I don't think he was a babe in the woods.

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I do think his supplier was a human he had direct contact with (rather than some dark web/bitcoin thing mail-order thing).

herb4 said:

stuff

I meant "naive" in the sense that he wasn't Nikki Sixx, Slash, Keith Richards or even Snoop Dogg and didn't really "travel" or live like that. I genunely believe he was largely "anti drug" and from all accounts didn't tolerate it all within his circle. I doubt you'd ever so much as smell a hint of weed at Paisley Park. Not that he'd never run accross them, tried them or knew people who used.

Shit, he was in the music business. Of COURSE there were drugs around and I'm pretty sure he dabbled. But I'd wager that, on average, your typical Prince tour or studio session had far, FAR less of any of that shit routinely going on.

I think we all have a pretty good idea who his supplier was but I doubt he meant to kill him. He was following orders and made a mistake. Whoever Prince trusted to get those hot pills would never want to murder his gravy train or, to work it somewhat less cynically ,murder his friend. That's ridiculous.

Astasheiks said:

Fortuneandserendipity said Leonardo Da Vinci.

herb4 said:

I agree, Herb. He was never a recreational user of drugs and it appears that the opioid use ended up taking on a life of its own, and it is for this reason that him dying of an overdose doesn’t bother me in terms of being his cause of death. It is what it is. He was never a "junkie", I don’t feel that the general public thinks of him as a "junkie", and I feel that the general public greatly respects his musical legacy. Very few of the popular music artists today, even the great ones, are even fit to shine Prince’s metaphorical shoes because his talent and contributions are so incredibly monumental. Also, I have yet to hear anyone deny or challenge the importance of Prince’s musical legacy. Other musicians, critics, and the general public ALL hold his musical legacy in high regard. The evidence shows that he died of a fentanyl overdose...I have accepted this because he is not coming back from the dead. What I care about most is the preservation and promotion of his incredible musical legacy.
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disch said:

Regarding the audio interview, my guess is that Romeo may have been referring to the period immediately following the death of Amiir in late 1996.

I found this on FB:

"1. Dr. Mancha said that KJ showed her the bottle of Percocet pills Prince took and that she became upset because she knew he took more than what he said. Yet, she didn't even raise an eyebrow by the fact that the bottle she "examined was not prescribed under Prince's name? As far as it been reported, the Percocet prescription was under KJ name. Dr. Mancha basically was handed a bottle with prescriptions with Kirk Johnson's name that were illegally supplied to Prince and she didn't see a problem with that?

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Dr. Mancha is given a bottle of Bayer aspirine containing a control medication which (whether authentic or counterfeit) was illegal posses since not prescription was available and she does not see a problem with that to further test for authenticity knowing Prince was revived just minutes prior from a suppose OD?

*

How could Dr. Boo had read it on the paper about the emergency landing, and claimed that is the reason she contacted KJ, when the incident happened a little after 1:00 a.m. on 4/15/16 yet she contacted KJ prior to the landing as per the phone records?"

MMJas said:

I found this on FB:

"1. Dr. Mancha said that KJ showed her the bottle of Percocet pills Prince took and that she became upset because she knew he took more than what he said. Yet, she didn't even raise an eyebrow by the fact that the bottle she "examined was not prescribed under Prince's name? As far as it been reported, the Percocet prescription was under KJ name. Dr. Mancha basically was handed a bottle with prescriptions with Kirk Johnson's name that were illegally supplied to Prince and she didn't see a problem with that?

*

Dr. Mancha is given a bottle of Bayer aspirine containing a control medication which (whether authentic or counterfeit) was illegal posses since not prescription was available and she does not see a problem with that to further test for authenticity knowing Prince was revived just minutes prior from a suppose OD?

*

How could Dr. Boo had read it on the paper about the emergency landing, and claimed that is the reason she contacted KJ, when the incident happened a little after 1:00 a.m. on 4/15/16 yet she contacted KJ prior to the landing as per the phone records?"

I don't know what FB group you found this in...but it has things skewed.

KJ contacted Dr. Boo to cancel his dental appointment because he was called to help Prince in Atlanta. I'll have to go back and check phone records again, but she might have been calling him, to tell him that she would give him pain pills and an antibiotic. Again, when he called the office to cancel he probably got the receptionist and she relayed the message to the dentist, since the receptionist wouldn't be able to prescribe the pain pills.

As far as Moline, I think KJ gave her a pill to examine BUT again, I'll have to go back to those records, because I like to double check things.

herb4 said:

This. Before the ME released the Fentanyl overdose, I prayed that the cause of death would not come back as an opioid overdose and was crushed when it did. Having lived with and through the experience of a family member with an opioid addiction (who is now 3 years into recovery), I’ve seen first hand the devastation and effects of opioid addiction on the substance abuser and those close to them and I can tell you it is extremely difficult for everyone involved. I was devastated because in my mind, Prince was not just a “man” ..... he was my idol, and idols can do no wrong - they are perfect. So, slowly, reality set in. Some will disagree, but reading Mayte’s book humanized Prince for me - in my world I had fallen for all of the mystery he had created around himself and reading her story helped to lift that veil and bring me to the reality that he was a person just like any of us. That being said, early on I posted many times about addiction and became intimidated by LR’s constant badgering to the point that I stopped engaging in conversation here. I never left though, and know all of you by your “user names” and thoroughly enjoy reading the threads and watching the interaction.
I just want to say that in my experience of dealing with the family member and through that, interacting with many other addicts, depression is extremely common. Look, these are good people who got caught up in something that they never intended. They didn’t wake up and think that today they are going to become an addict. Many begin this journey from physical pain of some degree. And, I believe that Prince was “old school” and in his mind, was not using “drugs” but using “medication”. Unfortunately, opioids don’t allow you to just stop and therein lies the “addiction”. Opioids cause thought processes to change - ask any addict in recovery and they will tell you stories of things they can’t recall clearly (even if they were functional), stories of how their reasoning was not always cognitive, how their pain actually increased and how LONG it took them to stand up and say I am an addict. Because in their mind, they are not. And those around them. Let me tell you, they go through it. Crazy, unexplainable behaviors which, especially if you have no hard evidence, leave you questioning if it’s your imagination gone wild because this is not “drug use” like you’ve been conditioned to expect. There is no “high off your ass” as LR used to describe it. It’s subtle and deceiving. They can appear totally normal. It’s in the unusual behavior and thought processes. Many dealing with this convince themselves that it can’t be drug related, that it must be a behavioral disorder like anxiety, depression, etc. My family member had me convinced he was bipolar. And for many they become enablers because they are trying to help and out of love. Others because they are in denial. I will say though, based on the photos and inventory of items found in Princes personal space, all the signs were there of his addiction and someone absolutely KNEW the truth. Whether they were in denial in their own minds, I cannot say and why they hadn’t reached the point where reality stepped in and they said no more will probably never be known. They did him no favors and assisted in his death. I look at the photos of Prince in his last months and can see it - that, is addiction. He had lost weight, his fro was unkempt, his makeup was sloppy, the clothes were somber and simple. I question if the man was bathing regularly - because, to be frank, personal hygeiene becomes unimportant. Honestly take a look at him - this was a man who was impeccable over his hair, make-up and style his entire life.
And for the depression, yes, I’m sure he was. I believe when associates made the statements about the “whole story” it was in reference to something that may have happened in his personal life that we are not privy to. Who knows what that may be - Prince was coming into an age of reflection where people his age were passing away and you begin to look back as much as you look forward. It is a humbling time, and not all memories leave you feeling good about yourself. Combine that with his own realization of his addiction, although he probably denied it to others - those are some heavy realizations. I also just want to say that the ER doctor asked the question if he wanted to kill himself because a statement had been made, I believe by Judith, about depression. Doctors will routinely ask that question. If he had said yes, they would have held him involuntarily. If he had ever overdosed previously, he would have known that and would have said no because he was aware of that possibility. My family member announced to the doctor in ER that he wanted to kill himself and was immediately admitted to a facility after discharge from the ER.
Sorry for the long post, just releasing my thoughts. Prince will still be my favorite artist of all time, I will remember the music; the performances and the entertainment but his passing will always be a reminder of the pain and sorrow of addiction and the reality of the end result.

MMJas said:

I found this on FB:

"1. Dr. Mancha said that KJ showed her the bottle of Percocet pills Prince took and that she became upset because she knew he took more than what he said. Yet, she didn't even raise an eyebrow by the fact that the bottle she "examined was not prescribed under Prince's name? As far as it been reported, the Percocet prescription was under KJ name. Dr. Mancha basically was handed a bottle with prescriptions with Kirk Johnson's name that were illegally supplied to Prince and she didn't see a problem with that?

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Dr. Mancha is given a bottle of Bayer aspirine containing a control medication which (whether authentic or counterfeit) was illegal posses since not prescription was available and she does not see a problem with that to further test for authenticity knowing Prince was revived just minutes prior from a suppose OD?

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How could Dr. Boo had read it on the paper about the emergency landing, and claimed that is the reason she contacted KJ, when the incident happened a little after 1:00 a.m. on 4/15/16 yet she contacted KJ prior to the landing as per the phone records?"

That's why the family is suing Dr. Mancha. She failed to have the hospital lab test for authenticity knowing her patient was admitted for a possible OD.