i wondered that too, he could have come back a vegetable or something. Now that would have been sad.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

bonatoc said:

There is still the third eye closed pic, and the "save your prayers" tweet that linger on, and maybe they will for ever.
I remember lots of speculations going on about it here on the Org.

One of the most painful stuff for me is that picture of him lifting his new guitar on the stage in PP.
It looks so wrong. First, you see him from the back, as if they weren't other pics from that night,
or no one would post them because there's really something wrong and you can't show his face.

Second, it looks like Prince is bending his knees, making a really strong effort to lift it up,
and compare that to a man that used to throw his guitar in the air like it weighed nothing, it really is hard to look at.

Lastly, the pic looks distorded, like some poltergeist passed across the lens, or as if Prince was already a ghost.
Lawd I hate that picture. Fans look happy. And it all gave us the feeling the situation wasn't so bad.
So little do we know.

the prayers thing was not a tweet, he said it that night.

and he also mentioned not being able to play the new guitar. some took it as due to him being focused on the piano shows... some took it as him knowing... I wonder if the near-death event did not cause serious harm to him.


but it does seem it was projected...

OnlyNDaUsa said:

bonatoc said:

There is still the third eye closed pic, and the "save your prayers" tweet that linger on, and maybe they will for ever.
I remember lots of speculations going on about it here on the Org.

One of the most painful stuff for me is that picture of him lifting his new guitar on the stage in PP.
It looks so wrong. First, you see him from the back, as if they weren't other pics from that night,
or no one would post them because there's really something wrong and you can't show his face.

Second, it looks like Prince is bending his knees, making a really strong effort to lift it up,
and compare that to a man that used to throw his guitar in the air like it weighed nothing, it really is hard to look at.

Lastly, the pic looks distorded, like some poltergeist passed across the lens, or as if Prince was already a ghost.
Lawd I hate that picture. Fans look happy. And it all gave us the feeling the situation wasn't so bad.
So little do we know.

the prayers thing was not a tweet, he said it that night.

and he also mentioned not being able to play the new guitar. some took it as due to him being focused on the piano shows... some took it as him knowing... I wonder if the near-death event did not cause serious harm to him.


but it does seem it was projected...

I never thought about that. Being dead certainly could have caused some brain damage. Imagine him trying to play it and realizing he couldn't, and how that might make him feel.

There are still so many unanswered questions, and nearly all of the theories seem somewhat plausible to me, in regards to his death.

Tyka's cryptic comments about knowing 2 years prior certainly don't help, especially when literally no one else is corroborating this, including people like Andre, who Tyka claims was one of the people Prince had her send a special picture and song to, which was what made her have the realization that he was dying.

To stay on track with the thread, I did have a sick feeing about his health after reading the blind item a few days before he passed, and almost posted about it here, but felt it was in poor taste. Though, despite the "warning," I was still shocked. I still get tears about it if I let myself go there, and I'm not a very emotional person.

did you believe the blind item? I see it as a possiblility.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the prayers thing was not a tweet, he said it that night.

and he also mentioned not being able to play the new guitar. some took it as due to him being focused on the piano shows... some took it as him knowing... I wonder if the near-death event did not cause serious harm to him.


but it does seem it was projected...

I never thought about that. Being dead certainly could have caused some brain damage. Imagine him trying to play it and realizing he couldn't, and how that might make him feel.

There are still so many unanswered questions, and nearly all of the theories seem somewhat plausible to me, in regards to his death.

Tyka's cryptic comments about knowing 2 years prior certainly don't help, especially when literally no one else is corroborating this, including people like Andre, who Tyka claims was one of the people Prince had her send a special picture and song to, which was what made her have the realization that he was dying.

To stay on track with the thread, I did have a sick feeing about his health after reading the blind item a few days before he passed, and almost posted about it here, but felt it was in poor taste. Though, despite the "warning," I was still shocked. I still get tears about it if I let myself go there, and I'm not a very emotional person.

PeteSilas said:

did you believe the blind item? I see it as a possiblility.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

I never thought about that. Being dead certainly could have caused some brain damage. Imagine him trying to play it and realizing he couldn't, and how that might make him feel.

There are still so many unanswered questions, and nearly all of the theories seem somewhat plausible to me, in regards to his death.

Tyka's cryptic comments about knowing 2 years prior certainly don't help, especially when literally no one else is corroborating this, including people like Andre, who Tyka claims was one of the people Prince had her send a special picture and song to, which was what made her have the realization that he was dying.

To stay on track with the thread, I did have a sick feeing about his health after reading the blind item a few days before he passed, and almost posted about it here, but felt it was in poor taste. Though, despite the "warning," I was still shocked. I still get tears about it if I let myself go there, and I'm not a very emotional person.

I didn't NOT believe it, and it certainly gave me pause. If it's true, his insistence on being married, and being celibate while not married makes a lot of sense, asside from just the religious reasons.

His mentioning cancer in U Know, while possibly a metaphor, could have been literal. There are HIV/AIDS related cancers as well. We just don't know.

I'm not 100% certain about any of the possible causes of death that have been discussed here, and my leanings change frequently. Arguments can be made for all of them it seems.

Initially, I thought not knowing didn't matter because he was gone. But it seems it's still hard to truly let go with the feeling that we don't know the full story.

SchlomoThaHomo said:

PeteSilas said:

did you believe the blind item? I see it as a possiblility.

I didn't NOT believe it, and it certainly gave me pause. If it's true, his insistence on being married, and being celibate while not married makes a lot of sense, asside from just the religious reasons.

His mentioning cancer in U Know, while possibly a metaphor, could have been literal. There are HIV/AIDS related cancers as well. We just don't know.

I'm not 100% certain about any of the possible causes of death that have been discussed here, and my leanings change frequently. Arguments can be made for all of them it seems.

Initially, I thought not knowing didn't matter because he was gone. But it seems it's still hard to truly let go with the feeling that we don't know the full story.

i really think it's about a 70% chance that that's the case in my mind. and sure, it's possible he was just an addict too but I think there were other issues which explain the secrecy.

PeteSilas said:

jazzvirtuoso said:

PeteSilas said:

i really think it's about a 70% chance that that's the case in my mind. and sure, it's possible he was just an addict too but I think there were other issues which explain the secrecy.

I'd say it might be closer to 95%!

that gossip thing, funny thing about it, it sounded like something prince would fall victim to. He was suggestible with nutty ideas so those "crazy religious people" who supposedly told him he was cured, I could see him believing that. just like he believed times was a trick, like he believed the quack who told him that he had another person living inside him and like the "spirit child" or whoever it was that led him down the road to his excstasy experiments.

jazzvirtuoso said:

PeteSilas said:

i really think it's about a 70% chance that that's the case in my mind. and sure, it's possible he was just an addict too but I think there were other issues which explain the secrecy.

I'd say it might be closer to 95%!

I'd say it might be close to 300 %, maybe even more !

Come. On. People.

Really ?

Prince's character WAS and IS all about secrecry.

Nothing new here, it's a public secret in fact.

-

The way he made people around him behave the way he decided... (from what i read).

The guy had an enormous ego/career/work/money/credibility to protect i think. He had all the reasons in the world to keep even the slidest unimportant thing secret.

Prince sang his whole life about sex, and what do we really know about even ONE actual act ? Nothing. And that's totally up to him. And this is my humble opinion that even might be completely wrong, as I did not know the guy personally.

So for that matter; who are we to speculate ? Even me ? (...and for others to judge even) ?

-

Concerning dreams and all your feelings.

Facts are facts. We will probably never know the complete truth. So be it.

I personally don't want to know the truth. It's respect towards his way of life and wanted to be respected. He's dead ! Really, simply, dead ! What does it matter still. Nothing will change.

It's only important for those who want pieces of the cake. Vultures and loved ones.

-

Dream all you want.

Dreams are as good and as real as the fakest of all news.

They are just a clean up of your brian at night, that just can't stop working.

Dreams are nothing more than electronic connections contineously made by parts of the brains mostly in a subconsious way. So not to be trusted. Why doesn't it happen during the day ? When your concious is fully working ? Cause when you're fully concious, you know better.

At least, if your brain is functioning well enough during the day to be trusted.

-

But I do love me some reading here. It's fun. ))

so van, you think Prince was dying of AIDS? His control of things only went so far, lots of stories did leak out in his lifetime, most of them negative, the positive ones were saved for after he died. But I always kind of assumed that all his sex talk was just image, just because you can't get wrapped up into a zillion women and not have it disrupt your life in a way that would make being as productive as he was impossible. Even one woman is a handful if she's the wrong one. (of course I know I'm leaving out conjecture that there may have been men too).

Vannormal said:

jazzvirtuoso said:

PeteSilas said: I'd say it might be closer to 95%!

I'd say it might be close to 300 %, maybe even more !

Come. On. People.

Really ?

Prince's character WAS and IS all about secrecry.

Nothing new here, it's a public secret in fact.

-

The way he made people around him behave the way he decided... (from what i read).

The guy had an enormous ego/career/work/money/credibility to protect i think. He had all the reasons in the world to keep even the slidest unimportant thing secret.

Prince sang his whole life about sex, and what do we really know about even ONE actual act ? Nothing. And that's totally up to him. And this is my humble opinion that even might be completely wrong, as I did not know the guy personally.

So for that matter; who are we to speculate ? Even me ? (...and for others to judge even) ?

-

Concerning dreams and all your feelings.

Facts are facts. We will probably never know the complete truth. So be it.

I personally don't want to know the truth. It's respect towards his way of life and wanted to be respected. He's dead ! Really, simply, dead ! What does it matter still. Nothing will change.

It's only important for those who want pieces of the cake. Vultures and loved ones.

-

Dream all you want.

Dreams are as good and as real as the fakest of all news.

They are just a clean up of your brian at night, that just can't stop working.

Dreams are nothing more than electronic connections contineously made by parts of the brains mostly in a subconsious way. So not to be trusted. Why doesn't it happen during the day ? When your concious is fully working ? Cause when you're fully concious, you know better.

At least, if your brain is functioning well enough during the day to be trusted.

-

But I do love me some reading here. It's fun. ))

[Edited 2/1/18 8:39am]

Oh dear.

NO !

Prince was a horny toad.

Period.

Not a zillion of women, probably a hundred or so. Be real.

Remember the podcasts of Michael Koppelman ? Great stories about unknown women in his life (so far).

Prince's women were the jubject, always. In all of his work. He didn't fake.

Yes he coud get involved and yet be so prolific, undisrupted.

Mind all the stories of the members he played/worked with.

He barely slept.

The fact that he had so many women, and not one sexual detail leaked, ever, tells a lot about the respect the man had for women. A deep respect.

Personally I don't think he was thàt wild between the sheets.

Mayte does tell the truth about this here. He was a romantic and caretaking loving lover.

Sure he could be nasty too i hope.

-

Then later in his life when extreme JW religion fucked things up, he did some unfortunate statements towards homosexuals - Wendy replied to that even at some point.

There were NO men. P

rince wasn't an experimenting heterosexual, not even when he was young (again, this is my humble opinion, based on some basic human knowledge). Even then...

And he certainly didn't have aids. Come on. (You probably mistake things with being Seropositive and Aids - look things up).

Imagine if so, the only medication for that you can put your hands on is after being diagnosed.

In all the reports that are out now, it is more than clear that he did not take such very specific and personal medication.

(I know a lot of people in my circle of friends who are seropositive, that's why.)

Period.

And concerning negative leaked stories from during his lifetime; 80% of them have sources of money making machines like all sorts of media. The classic media back in the day, and all the (stupid) social media today.

There is not ONE negative story that's been proven true coming from his camp and people working around him.

And i'm not talking about 'normal' shitty Prince behaviour we all read about in the past.

The guy was basically perfectly human, but normal is another issue.

PeteSilas said:

so van, you think Prince was dying of AIDS? His control of things only went so far, lots of stories did leak out in his lifetime, most of them negative, the positive ones were saved for after he died. But I always kind of assumed that all his sex talk was just image, just because you can't get wrapped up into a zillion women and not have it disrupt your life in a way that would make being as productive as he was impossible. Even one woman is a handful if she's the wrong one. (of course I know I'm leaving out conjecture that there may have been men too).

Vannormal said:

I'd say it might be close to 300 %, maybe even more !

Come. On. People.

Really ?

Prince's character WAS and IS all about secrecry.

Nothing new here, it's a public secret in fact.

-

The way he made people around him behave the way he decided... (from what i read).

The guy had an enormous ego/career/work/money/credibility to protect i think. He had all the reasons in the world to keep even the slidest unimportant thing secret.

Prince sang his whole life about sex, and what do we really know about even ONE actual act ? Nothing. And that's totally up to him. And this is my humble opinion that even might be completely wrong, as I did not know the guy personally.

So for that matter; who are we to speculate ? Even me ? (...and for others to judge even) ?

-

Concerning dreams and all your feelings.

Facts are facts. We will probably never know the complete truth. So be it.

I personally don't want to know the truth. It's respect towards his way of life and wanted to be respected. He's dead ! Really, simply, dead ! What does it matter still. Nothing will change.

It's only important for those who want pieces of the cake. Vultures and loved ones.

-

Dream all you want.

Dreams are as good and as real as the fakest of all news.

They are just a clean up of your brian at night, that just can't stop working.

Dreams are nothing more than electronic connections contineously made by parts of the brains mostly in a subconsious way. So not to be trusted. Why doesn't it happen during the day ? When your concious is fully working ? Cause when you're fully concious, you know better.

At least, if your brain is functioning well enough during the day to be trusted.

-

But I do love me some reading here. It's fun. ))

[Edited 2/1/18 8:39am]

how do you think he died?

Vannormal said:

Oh dear.

NO !

Prince was a horny toad.

Period.

Not a zillion of women, probably a hundred or so. Be real.

Remember the podcasts of Michael Koppelman ? Great stories about unknown women in his life (so far).

Prince's women were the jubject, always. In all of his work. He didn't fake.

Yes he coud get involved and yet be so prolific, undisrupted.

Mind all the stories of the members he played/worked with.

He barely slept.

The fact that he had so many women, and not one sexual detail leaked, ever, tells a lot about the respect the man had for women. A deep respect.

Personally I don't think he was thàt wild between the sheets.

Mayte does tell the truth about this here. He was a romantic and caretaking loving lover.

Sure he could be nasty too i hope.

-

Then later in his life when extreme JW religion fucked things up, he did some unfortunate statements towards homosexuals - Wendy replied to that even at some point.

There were NO men. P

rince wasn't an experimenting heterosexual, not even when he was young (again, this is my humble opinion, based on some basic human knowledge). Even then...

And he certainly didn't have aids. Come on. (You probably mistake things with being Seropositive and Aids - look things up).

Imagine if so, the only medication for that you can put your hands on is after being diagnosed.

In all the reports that are out now, it is more than clear that he did not take such very specific and personal medication.

(I know a lot of people in my circle of friends who are seropositive, that's why.)

Period.

And concerning negative leaked stories from during his lifetime; 80% of them have sources of money making machines like all sorts of media. The classic media back in the day, and all the (stupid) social media today.

There is not ONE negative story that's been proven true coming from his camp and people working around him.

And i'm not talking about 'normal' shitty Prince behaviour we all read about in the past.

The guy was basically perfectly human, but normal is another issue.

PeteSilas said:

so van, you think Prince was dying of AIDS? His control of things only went so far, lots of stories did leak out in his lifetime, most of them negative, the positive ones were saved for after he died. But I always kind of assumed that all his sex talk was just image, just because you can't get wrapped up into a zillion women and not have it disrupt your life in a way that would make being as productive as he was impossible. Even one woman is a handful if she's the wrong one. (of course I know I'm leaving out conjecture that there may have been men too).

[Edited 2/1/18 8:39am]

Not sure if you can't remember, but I'm positive it was Adorecream. I even PM'd him about it and got spooked, so much so, I didn't reply....and I'm from New Orleans, and don't get "spooked" much

PeteSilas said:

no, it was someone five years before he died, I got banned for DEFENDING Prince never for criticizing him as some here went overboard with when he was alive and they weren't banned.

jazzvirtuoso said:

Hmm, did you forget our conversation?

I wanted to post it here but I predicted it at least a month before he died.

But my drummer said that I needed to forget it, because some people here are just to overly sensitive about things. But his exact words were:

IF YOU POST ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT PRINCE HERE YOU WILL BE BANNED!!!

for some reason, i remember the person as a "her" I can't tell you why.

precioux said:

Not sure if you can't remember, but I'm positive it was Adorecream. I even PM'd him about it and got spooked, so much so, I didn't reply....and I'm from New Orleans, and don't get "spooked" much

PeteSilas said:

no, it was someone five years before he died, I got banned for DEFENDING Prince never for criticizing him as some here went overboard with when he was alive and they weren't banned.

He died from one or two pills too many.

...sort to speak.

Simple as that.

-

And that multiplied by :

Stubborness,

egocentric,

afraid,

not willing to give in,

religion probably too,

far too much build up secrecy,

keeping up appearances,

shame,

uncertainty,

possibly knowing it better,

pride,

fear(s),

anxiety,

stupidness,

denial,

confronting,

not willing to know the truth,

or in other words,

by just being Prince that killed him.

PeteSilas said:

how do you think he died?

Vannormal said:

Oh dear.

NO !

Prince was a horny toad.

Period.

Not a zillion of women, probably a hundred or so. Be real.

Remember the podcasts of Michael Koppelman ? Great stories about unknown women in his life (so far).

Prince's women were the jubject, always. In all of his work. He didn't fake.

Yes he coud get involved and yet be so prolific, undisrupted.

Mind all the stories of the members he played/worked with.

He barely slept.

The fact that he had so many women, and not one sexual detail leaked, ever, tells a lot about the respect the man had for women. A deep respect.

Personally I don't think he was thàt wild between the sheets.

Mayte does tell the truth about this here. He was a romantic and caretaking loving lover.

Sure he could be nasty too i hope.

-

Then later in his life when extreme JW religion fucked things up, he did some unfortunate statements towards homosexuals - Wendy replied to that even at some point.

There were NO men. P

rince wasn't an experimenting heterosexual, not even when he was young (again, this is my humble opinion, based on some basic human knowledge). Even then...

And he certainly didn't have aids. Come on. (You probably mistake things with being Seropositive and Aids - look things up).

Imagine if so, the only medication for that you can put your hands on is after being diagnosed.

In all the reports that are out now, it is more than clear that he did not take such very specific and personal medication.

(I know a lot of people in my circle of friends who are seropositive, that's why.)

Period.

And concerning negative leaked stories from during his lifetime; 80% of them have sources of money making machines like all sorts of media. The classic media back in the day, and all the (stupid) social media today.

There is not ONE negative story that's been proven true coming from his camp and people working around him.

And i'm not talking about 'normal' shitty Prince behaviour we all read about in the past.

The guy was basically perfectly human, but normal is another issue.