Ellie77 said:

PennyPurple said:

disch said:

To me, that makes sense with the facts that we know. Prince had been taking illegal opioids, and for some reason (the potency and/or other factors) his problem escalated in the final weeks/months of his life. Perhaps Kirk was actually attempting to help him by at least getting a doctor involved (his doctor, Dr S, who as far as we know from public facts only interacted with Prince in the final couple weeks of his life) and getting Prince some legit drugs.

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I'm not a "fan of Kirk" or anything like that, but the reality is, it wasn't the legal drugs in Kirk's name that killed Prince. It was Prince's illegal drugs, and as far as we know, and no info has come out yet that connects Kirk to those illegal drugs.

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I think for someone one like me, who doesn't use illegal drugs, it seems so risky, and that anyone who had the option would of course rather take legit pills. But perhaps for someone who has used illegal pills for a while, who has a supplier that they've trusted, and has pills that have worked for them, they don't feel the same way or have the same fear or disgust.

Ellie77 said:

Everyone seems to be asking why did P take the black market batch instead of Kirk's legal meds. Well maybe after the first O.D. on the plane his circle sat down with him and was like look you have to do something about this problem, he agreed said he would "GET RID" of his stash of drugs, pills, patches ect.. When he went cold Turkey for those couple days, his crew saw how bad it was that's when Kirk Gabe him the legal script so he wasn't in so much agony, and maybe P didn't get rid of all of his drugs, wanted something stronger then what Kirk gave him, took something from his stash and...

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

It's also been reported that it was 2 Narcan shots.

Those are reports from the media. Not official.

To be fair nothing we have other than the warrants is official.

The warrant did confirm an opoid OD on the plane, and Narcan would be how that's counteracted.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said: Those are reports from the media. Not official.

To be fair nothing we have other than the warrants is official.

disch said:

The warrant did confirm an opoid OD on the plane, and Narcan would be how that's counteracted.

PennyPurple said:

To be fair nothing we have other than the warrants is official.

Yes, but the question is was it 1 or 2 shots of Narcan. Media reported 2 shots of Narcan.

Ah OK. Yeah, I don't know whether he need 1 or 2 Narcans to revive him -- I've seen different reports.

disch said:

The warrant did confirm an opoid OD on the plane, and Narcan would be how that's counteracted.

Yes, but the question is was it 1 or 2 shots of Narcan. Media reported 2 shots of Narcan.

disch said:

To me, that makes sense with the facts that we know. Prince had been taking illegal opioids, and for some reason (the potency and/or other factors) his problem escalated in the final weeks/months of his life. Perhaps Kirk was actually attempting to help him by at least getting a doctor involved (his doctor, Dr S, who as far as we know from public facts only interacted with Prince in the final couple weeks of his life) and getting Prince some legit drugs.

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I'm not a "fan of Kirk" or anything like that, but the reality is, it wasn't the legal drugs in Kirk's name that killed Prince. It was Prince's illegal drugs, and as far as we know, and no info has come out yet that connects Kirk to those illegal drugs.

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I think for someone one like me, who doesn't use illegal drugs, it seems so risky, and that anyone who had the option would of course rather take legit pills. But perhaps for someone who has used illegal pills for a while, who has a supplier that they've trusted, and has pills that have worked for them, they don't feel the same way or have the same fear or disgust.

Ellie77 said:

Everyone seems to be asking why did P take the black market batch instead of Kirk's legal meds. Well maybe after the first O.D. on the plane his circle sat down with him and was like look you have to do something about this problem, he agreed said he would "GET RID" of his stash of drugs, pills, patches ect.. When he went cold Turkey for those couple days, his crew saw how bad it was that's when Kirk Gabe him the legal script so he wasn't in so much agony, and maybe P didn't get rid of all of his drugs, wanted something stronger then what Kirk gave him, took something from his stash and...

To me it makes sense that someone was switching the known medications for the counterfeit ones.

He has access to legit pills . The Fentanyl was a ONE TIME ONLY situation. They were not in his system prior to April 21st per Autopsy report. The plane incident was a seperate incident. I have found out that a opioid interacting with cold meds can trigger an opioid OD. That's what I think happened in Moline.

This has to be remembered with this case .....

They supposedly found plenty of labeled medication in that house.

The issue here is the bottle of Bayer and the bottle of Alieve that had the Fentanyl laced pills.

The autopsy report didn't actually say anything about his fentanyl history. I think you may be thinking of this Aug. 2016 news story that said: "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said."

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That info is sort of vague, we don't exactly when that test occured, and kind of badly phrased, since obviously he took the fatal dose within 24 hours of his death (more like within minutes of his death). But since the fentanyl-laced counterfeit pills were manufactured to look like legit non-fentanyl opioids, and since no prescription fentanyl was found, it seems likely that he didn't intend to take fentanyl specifically.

muleFunk said:

disch said:

To me, that makes sense with the facts that we know. Prince had been taking illegal opioids, and for some reason (the potency and/or other factors) his problem escalated in the final weeks/months of his life. Perhaps Kirk was actually attempting to help him by at least getting a doctor involved (his doctor, Dr S, who as far as we know from public facts only interacted with Prince in the final couple weeks of his life) and getting Prince some legit drugs.

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I'm not a "fan of Kirk" or anything like that, but the reality is, it wasn't the legal drugs in Kirk's name that killed Prince. It was Prince's illegal drugs, and as far as we know, and no info has come out yet that connects Kirk to those illegal drugs.

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I think for someone one like me, who doesn't use illegal drugs, it seems so risky, and that anyone who had the option would of course rather take legit pills. But perhaps for someone who has used illegal pills for a while, who has a supplier that they've trusted, and has pills that have worked for them, they don't feel the same way or have the same fear or disgust.

To me it makes sense that someone was switching the known medications for the counterfeit ones.

He has access to legit pills . The Fentanyl was a ONE TIME ONLY situation. They were not in his system prior to April 21st per Autopsy report. The plane incident was a seperate incident. I have found out that a opioid interacting with cold meds can trigger an opioid OD. That's what I think happened in Moline.

disch said:

The autopsy report didn't actually say anything about his fentanyl history. I think you may be thinking of this Aug. 2016 news story that said: "Tests on Prince prior to his death did not show fentanyl in his system, which means he wasn't a long-time abuser of that drug, but likely took the fatal dose sometime in the 24 hours before he died, the official said."

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That info is sort of vague, we don't exactly when that test occured, and kind of badly phrased, since obviously he took the fatal dose within 24 hours of his death (more like within minutes of his death). But since the fentanyl-laced counterfeit pills were manufactured to look like legit non-fentanyl opioids, and since no prescription fentanyl was found, it seems likely that he didn't intend to take fentanyl specifically.

muleFunk said:

To me it makes sense that someone was switching the known medications for the counterfeit ones.

He has access to legit pills . The Fentanyl was a ONE TIME ONLY situation. They were not in his system prior to April 21st per Autopsy report. The plane incident was a seperate incident. I have found out that a opioid interacting with cold meds can trigger an opioid OD. That's what I think happened in Moline.

You are correct per autopsy released to public.

The "tests" you are referring to are the test taken the day before his death.

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muleFunk said:

To me it makes sense that someone was switching the known medications for the counterfeit ones.

He has access to legit pills . The Fentanyl was a ONE TIME ONLY situation. They were not in his system prior to April 21st per Autopsy report. The plane incident was a seperate incident. I have found out that a opioid interacting with cold meds can trigger an opioid OD. That's what I think happened in Moline.

You were the one who was saying close insiders told you he had leukemia, now you are saying someone was switching the pills?

PennyPurple said:

muleFunk said:

To me it makes sense that someone was switching the known medications for the counterfeit ones.

He has access to legit pills . The Fentanyl was a ONE TIME ONLY situation. They were not in his system prior to April 21st per Autopsy report. The plane incident was a seperate incident. I have found out that a opioid interacting with cold meds can trigger an opioid OD. That's what I think happened in Moline.

You were the one who was saying close insiders told you he had leukemia, now you are saying someone was switching the pills?

Hahaha PP, you are correct. Let's not forget that he was also murdered by the MAN! From cancer, to myloid leukemia, to aspirin, to cold medicine, to Prince's religious beliefs, to an appointed time for a family member to release the information via a book , they all make excuses for Prince's obvious addiction to substances for years which is what killed him.

Whenever something "new" is supposedly relayed, the morphing of rumors are not only nonsensical but one of the poorest forms of careful examination.Put a hook in their nostrils and lead them around like mules to the Purple Rain.

PennyPurple said:

1) Does anyone know how long it takes fentanyl to clear your system after taking/using it? I'm seeing a max of 3-5 days.

2) So once a recent dose of fentanyl clears your system then any possible prior use is not known?

cloveringold85 said:

disch said:

I think you misunderstood. What I meant was: He was not naive or innocent about how to acquire illegal drugs, or about using illegal drugs. I do not mean that he was naive that the drugs would kill him in the way they did. I believe that the facts that we know don't line up with suicide, but his death is what the ME determined, based on her analysis of the evidence (both publicly available and not): an accident.

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As far as the know -- again, from actual reasonably reliable information -- his relationship with Dr S was very limited. We have no information about a relationship with Dr S that extended beyond the couple appointments in April 2016. I believe Prince was using illegal opioids from before that date, and he had a supplier that he trusted. I think at the end of his life he unknowingly got a bad batch (aligning with the news stories coming out at that time about fentanyl-laced pills flooding the opioid black market), and think it's likely that he didn't know that this bad batch was actually riskier than the drugs he had been taking prior to then. In other words, it's possible he didn't feel the urgency to use legit drugs vs. his illegal drugs -- that was something that those around him were trying to get him to do.

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I also wonder if Prince got those illegal Fentanyl pills on the 20th, when he was running to Walgreens, and perhaps made an extra errand?

You guys keep making this too complicated.

Mumio said:

1) Does anyone know how long it takes fentanyl to clear your system after taking/using it? I'm seeing a max of 3-5 days.

2) So once a recent dose of fentanyl clears your system then any possible prior use is not known?

Drug use will stay in hair.

They do several types of toxicology screens at death.

PennyPurple said:

muleFunk said:

To me it makes sense that someone was switching the known medications for the counterfeit ones.

He has access to legit pills . The Fentanyl was a ONE TIME ONLY situation. They were not in his system prior to April 21st per Autopsy report. The plane incident was a seperate incident. I have found out that a opioid interacting with cold meds can trigger an opioid OD. That's what I think happened in Moline.

You were the one who was saying close insiders told you he had leukemia, now you are saying someone was switching the pills?

They said he was "sick". Several doctors who were fans have speculated that it was Acute Mycloid Leukemia. Had a family member say he was suffering from Kidney failure.

Fact of the matter is he died of a Fentanyl overdose. He didn't know the Fentanyl was in the pills he was taking. He was having issues with the pain medication. He had lost a significant amount of weight in the last year of his life. If he had a Fentanyl addiction there would be signs of it there. If he was addicted to pills there would have been more signs there. One member of the DEA said there were no prescriptions in his name in America in the year prior to his death.He had legal meds from Kirk at his disposal.

He had just visited a doctor the day before his death with a prescribed medication .

Let's speculate here.

If he was a pill addict and he had no scripts he would have gotten one from the doctor.

He wouldn't have to be taking counterfeit vicodin from the streets.

Where did these meds come from and why ?

I have strong reservations to the meds just popping up in his belongings .

we've already speculated on all this stuff, a lot.

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The info that's out there hasn't changed in quite some time (barring various theories floating around social media): His addiction wasn't necessarily to fentanyl, but to other kinds of opioids. There was a known problem in the US at the time (and still ongoing) of fentanyl being laced into counterfeit pills made to look like other opioids, because fentanyl is cheaper so the profit margins are highe. The counterfeit pills he had at PP fit the bill of these fentanyl-laced counterfeit all over the nation; there wasn't something ominously unique about his particular counterfeit pills.

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The doctor he saw the day before prescribed 3 drugs that can ease withdrawal symptoms, including Clonidine which is a very standard withdrawal drug, from what I've read. So it seems the issue on the 20th was the withdrawal problems and that's what the drugs were for. He wasn't prescribed more opioids that day.

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As far as we know, the legal drugs from Kirk only came into the picture in the final weeks of his life. And perhaps he was satisfied his illegal drugs; perhaps they had served his needs for however long he had used them.

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muleFunk said:

PennyPurple said:

You were the one who was saying close insiders told you he had leukemia, now you are saying someone was switching the pills?

They said he was "sick". Several doctors who were fans have speculated that it was Acute Mycloid Leukemia. Had a family member say he was suffering from Kidney failure.

Fact of the matter is he died of a Fentanyl overdose. He didn't know the Fentanyl was in the pills he was taking. He was having issues with the pain medication. He had lost a significant amount of weight in the last year of his life. If he had a Fentanyl addiction there would be signs of it there. If he was addicted to pills there would have been more signs there. One member of the DEA said there were no prescriptions in his name in America in the year prior to his death.He had legal meds from Kirk at his disposal.

He had just visited a doctor the day before his death with a prescribed medication .

Let's speculate here.

If he was a pill addict and he had no scripts he would have gotten one from the doctor.

He wouldn't have to be taking counterfeit vicodin from the streets.

Where did these meds come from and why ?

I have strong reservations to the meds just popping up in his belongings .

[Edited 1/28/18 13:03pm]

Mumio said:

1) Does anyone know how long it takes fentanyl to clear your system after taking/using it? I'm seeing a max of 3-5 days.

2) So once a recent dose of fentanyl clears your system then any possible prior use is not known?

I did a write up on that in the search warrants by computing Prince's estimated BMI.

That report about him not using fentanyl prior, is hogwash.

herb4 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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I also wonder if Prince got those illegal Fentanyl pills on the 20th, when he was running to Walgreens, and perhaps made an extra errand?

You guys keep making this too complicated.

It's complicated to those who think its anything other than he purchased it , ingested it and died.

Ellie77 said:

Most of the time he didn't use his real name.....

muleFunk said:

PennyPurple said:

You were the one who was saying close insiders told you he had leukemia, now you are saying someone was switching the pills?

They said he was "sick". Several doctors who were fans have speculated that it was Acute Mycloid Leukemia. Had a family member say he was suffering from Kidney failure.

Fact of the matter is he died of a Fentanyl overdose. He didn't know the Fentanyl was in the pills he was taking. He was having issues with the pain medication. He had lost a significant amount of weight in the last year of his life. If he had a Fentanyl addiction there would be signs of it there. If he was addicted to pills there would have been more signs there. One member of the DEA said there were no prescriptions in his name in America in the year prior to his death.He had legal meds from Kirk at his disposal.

He had just visited a doctor the day before his death with a prescribed medication .

Let's speculate here.

If he was a pill addict and he had no scripts he would have gotten one from the doctor.

He wouldn't have to be taking counterfeit vicodin from the streets.

Where did these meds come from and why ?

I have strong reservations to the meds just popping up in his belongings .

muleFunk said:

Ellie77 said:

Also I keep seeing people say P being found in his elevator is some sort of sign "from his song lyrics" some sort of conspiracy theory, now let's remember he was going on 60yrs old, bad hips, knees, joints, ECT, walked with a cane... You think he is using the stairs on the regular?? Hell no!! He's using his elevator!!!

probably ^^^

Menes said:

Mumio said:

1) Does anyone know how long it takes fentanyl to clear your system after taking/using it? I'm seeing a max of 3-5 days.

2) So once a recent dose of fentanyl clears your system then any possible prior use is not known?

I did a write up on that in the search warrants by computing Prince's estimated BMI.

Would you have any idea where within that thread that info is? What I am really looking for is if there is any way to know about prior use once it cleared his system. MuleFunk says hair analysis but I don't recall hearing anything about hair analysis.


That report about him not using fentanyl prior, is hogwash.


Why do you say this?