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PURPLEMAN31217
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How would you feel if they completed Prince’s demos

When Michael Jackson‘s Demo tapes were found they had people add instrumentation to them. For example the piano demo of “Love never felt so good” They made two new versions. One with added instruments and one with Justin Timberlake. My question is how would you feel if they did the same to some of prince’s demos in the vault.
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Reply #1 posted 01/03/18 6:13pm

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Like shit smile

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Reply #2 posted 01/03/18 6:17pm

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It would make me lose all faith in humanity.
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Reply #3 posted 01/03/18 6:17pm

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No good. Hard to express how wrong this would be feeling ill feeling ill
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Reply #4 posted 01/03/18 6:25pm

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purplepolitician said:

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Reply #5 posted 01/03/18 6:37pm

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Offended. Thanks for asking this though. Hopefully it'll create enough negative feedback to warrant consideration by the estate considering that his family doesn't have the final word on anything (*and prob would negotiate with others for I on his unreleased material)

If however the music library was documented and Prince had previously expressed his willingness to lend some music to certain groups and faith based etc etc then i don't see a problem with those works being interpreted by let's say a jazz quintet or respectable group with the correct screening.


MJ's work was sent along to Steve Lukather abd some of the boys and they did a great take on some of Michael's stuff (*because they were writers and collaborators it was honest and bold and great - of course - REJECTED)



This is a contentious bone. No wonder so many people want their work destroyed after death.

Had that happened I'd have never seen that hilarious outtake from Charlie Chaplin's CITY LIGHTS (*reassembled) nor the boxer scene at the cafe in THE CIRCUS. ....some of the guy's FUNNIEST stuff, consigned to be destroyed because they didn't fit the arc of the story/the rationality.

Horrid question.

Imagine them leasing Prince to Wiz Kalifa



(((((Cringe )))))

The remaining members of QUEEN went back to the tapes (*initially it was ROGER TAYLOR and JOHN DEACON willing to continue as QUEEN without Brian May)... created mixes of the material that Freddie had expressly left to be finished (*revealed to the public at least to be just under 3 songs: A Winter's Tale, Mother Love, errr shit...engineer Dave Richards pieced together the other one YOU DON'T FOOL ME, and the others were alternate vocals already recorded for May and Taylor solo projects (Too Much Love Will Kill You and Heaven For Everyone; respectively) and unfinished duet "Let Me Live/a piece of my heart" (originally featuring Rod Stewart) as well as an unfinished demo "it's a beautiful day", B-side "My life has been saved" and Freddie solo stuff. ...


THAT project was pretty incredible (*though what the public has its MADE IN HEAVEN the album, as reworked when Brian May returned from his own life crisis)

I've heard good things about the Hendrix stuff....but I'm admittedly not a heavy listener....i don't find half his remnants interesting. His albums were fantastic but recorded very poorly.

People attempted to finish Mozart's work.

That wasn't bad, but I'm hardly a professional on that....


If the NPG was asked to "finish" their era works then I'd have no problem.

So long as it is merely "filling" and completing measures or re recording (note got note) damaged items.

It's a horrific idea. I could only imagine the stress involved in such an undertaking....it would require someone with massive love for the man.
[Edited 1/3/18 18:48pm]
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Reply #6 posted 01/03/18 7:07pm

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Since he's not around to work on them anymore, they're already "finished". wink

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Reply #7 posted 01/03/18 7:43pm

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My truth is that Prince was about freedom and expression. He would prefer everyone be original and follow their own muse. Still a balance is called for here, Prince often gave away what he perceived as lesser works...example Manic Monday wasn't good enough for him to release but he gave it away for us to have. And ya'll can judge but it's joyful and I love it still.

So I just figured out the other day that Tennessee by Arrested Development sampled Prince...I liked that song when it was released and it was Prince.

Prince is so much a part of our collective musical consciousness that I would rather his gifts be shared by those who worked on it with him.

No one can be him, but share him still. That's real love baby!

I don't support selling the music to big names like wiz...unless he spent time with the man.

NPG is an extension or Prince...let them work!
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Reply #8 posted 01/03/18 9:33pm

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I don't think any fan would want this.

And I don't think there's much profit to make anyway: it's unlikely a Prince song, even remixed by the hippest producer, can be a posthumous hit the way Love Never Felt So Good was. So far, whenever that question was asked here, everyone was vocal in saying NO. And given the huge amount of studio recordings to be released as such to satisfy the fans, there's no need for cheap remixes.

Let's be careful, though: posthumously "finishing" songs is exactly what Ian Boxill did, and few people complained when the EP was released for a few days. If we say NO now, we say NO then, and we must make sure there's gonna be an unprecedented backlash if the estate ever does it.

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Reply #9 posted 01/03/18 10:25pm

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PURPLEMAN3121777 said:

When Michael Jackson‘s Demo tapes were found they had people add instrumentation to them. For example the piano demo of “Love never felt so good” They made two new versions. One with added instruments and one with Justin Timberlake. My question is how would you feel if they did the same to some of prince’s demos in the vault.


Bad.

1. living artists should be protecting themselves from the vultures who profit from unfinished work by stating no such thing is permissible in their wills.
2. People who participate in this activity ( buyers of posthumous material the artist had no say in, plus artists who redo tracks and release them under the dead artist's name) deserve no respect.

I saw the video describing MJs reworked tracks, with artists like Rodney Jerkins describing how they felt Michael was in the room when they were completing the work.

I felt like vomiting. I remember listening to will.i.am saying he wouldn't release the material they worked on together (or something to that effect) because MJ was his friend. Integrity. Some have heard of it.
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Reply #10 posted 01/03/18 10:39pm

PeteSilas

i don't think they will because they won't really have to, there is so much complete material and it's not like MJ or Elvis who released most of their good stuff, Prince has tons of stuff completely produced, doesn't need it, they probably will tinker, but i think we'll get plenty of stuff just as he intended.

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Reply #11 posted 01/04/18 12:39am

peer1973

if they do it like the deluxe version of Xscape, i would be very interested.

i really like that album, but to be honest.....the bonus disc with the originals, is better. The demo's are fine as they are and could have been released as full album. And that will be the same if they release demo's by Prince.

But the things the other artists did with those demo's is not disrespectful or really bad.

So i would like to have such a double take on things album for prince.

would probably listen to the originals the most, but give the other one a spin once in a while too...

wouldn't be to bad, if done like that.

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Reply #12 posted 01/04/18 12:43am

Strive

That would be the end of me supporting Prince's estate.

Prince's demos are basically complete and only in need of polishing but nobody on Earth could polish them properly. That one producer on Deliverance came close with very minor additions but the songs he left behind should be left untouched.
[Edited 1/4/18 0:44am]
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Reply #13 posted 01/04/18 1:26am

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To me, it completely comes down to how developed the source material was, and who they bring in to finish it off. For example, if Wendy and Lisa got involved with putting some finishing touches on some Revolution-era vault material which was more or less fully-formed anyway, stuff they were likely already involved with, chances are that'd turn out really nice and would probably be of interest to fans.

However overall most of the demos are purely of historical interest to me (e.g. as an outtake, something intended for a particular project but wasn't quite coming together so got shelved). They aren't things I want finished off. Overall Prince made good decisions about what to shelve and what to stick with.

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Reply #14 posted 01/04/18 2:21am

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To my understanding, demos were a rarity for Prince. He tended to finish tracks completely. As we know, there are entire albums in the vault that are fully produced and sequenced and Morris Hayes confirmed several of those from 2010 onwards in a recent interview.

Several songs on 'Sign 'O Times' might sound like demos, but their inclusion on the album shows that they are not.

So, the answer is no. Any and all Prince songs should be released untouched.

And those MJ mixes sounded like shit and were inauthentic. The original demos were still way superior.
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Reply #15 posted 01/04/18 2:57am

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OperatingThetan said:

To my understanding, demos were a rarity for Prince. He tended to finish tracks completely.

Mine too, only basing it on what fans/commentators have said over the years and the Crystal Ball liner notes for (was it?) Last Heart, where it said something like "this demo, almost unheard of for Prince..."

Just somewhere in the middle,
Not too good and not too bad.
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Reply #16 posted 01/04/18 3:27am

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It's going to happen, you know it will.

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OperatingThetan said:

To my understanding, demos were a rarity for Prince. He tended to finish tracks completely. As we know, there are entire albums in the vault that are fully produced and sequenced and Morris Hayes confirmed several of those from 2010 onwards in a recent interview. Several songs on 'Sign 'O Times' might sound like demos, but their inclusion on the album shows that they are not.

Whilst this is the consensus, I don't think it will stop whoever is in charge doing it for some release or other, just by way of trying to suck in new listeners. I mean, who wouldn't want to hear Taylor Swift dueting with Prince on an unreleased masterpiece remixed by Skrillex.

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Reply #17 posted 01/04/18 3:33am

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Reply #18 posted 01/04/18 3:43am

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PURPLEMAN3121777 said:

When Michael Jackson‘s Demo tapes were found they had people add instrumentation to them. For example the piano demo of “Love never felt so good” They made two new versions. One with added instruments and one with Justin Timberlake. My question is how would you feel if they did the same to some of prince’s demos in the vault.



Release them as they are, would be my choice, or not at all. Always interesting to hear different stages of the development of a bit of music.

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Reply #19 posted 01/04/18 3:45am

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Wouldn't be awful if they also released the tracks in the state they found them in. It would be awful if they didn't.

If it had to be done I suppose original band members from whatever time period could come in and do some stuff on top.

[Edited 1/4/18 3:46am]

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Reply #20 posted 01/04/18 4:20am

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If they have to do it, then also release what Prince had on his own before any tinkering. But my preference would be to not have them do such a thing. MJ always had collaborators or producers, so that's a little bit of adifferent scenario, but Prince was famous for being a one man band, so leaev his stuff well alone.

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Reply #21 posted 01/04/18 4:37am

Silvertongue7

They sort of did already with the Deliverance EP and the result wasn’t too bad. Still, I’d rather have the music as Prince left it.
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Reply #22 posted 01/04/18 5:12am

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purplethunder3121 said:

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I second this! Hell No!

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Reply #23 posted 01/04/18 10:40am

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TheEnglishGent said:

If they have to do it, then also release what Prince had on his own before any tinkering. But my preference would be to not have them do such a thing. MJ always had collaborators or producers, so that's a little bit of adifferent scenario, but Prince was famous for being a one man band, so leaev his stuff well alone.

that's what i thought of too, if they don't want to release something really unfinished, just release both versions, i'd probably like the unfinished better anyway.

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Reply #24 posted 01/04/18 10:43am

PeteSilas

OperatingThetan said:

To my understanding, demos were a rarity for Prince. He tended to finish tracks completely. As we know, there are entire albums in the vault that are fully produced and sequenced and Morris Hayes confirmed several of those from 2010 onwards in a recent interview. Several songs on 'Sign 'O Times' might sound like demos, but their inclusion on the album shows that they are not. So, the answer is no. Any and all Prince songs should be released untouched. And those MJ mixes sounded like shit and were inauthentic. The original demos were still way superior.

any song that's really worth anything should be able to stand on it's own in demo form anyway.

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Reply #25 posted 01/04/18 10:44am

PeteSilas

will said that? never knew too much about him but i just gained a lot of respect for him.

tump said:

PURPLEMAN3121777 said:
When Michael Jackson‘s Demo tapes were found they had people add instrumentation to them. For example the piano demo of “Love never felt so good” They made two new versions. One with added instruments and one with Justin Timberlake. My question is how would you feel if they did the same to some of prince’s demos in the vault.
Bad. 1. living artists should be protecting themselves from the vultures who profit from unfinished work by stating no such thing is permissible in their wills. 2. People who participate in this activity ( buyers of posthumous material the artist had no say in, plus artists who redo tracks and release them under the dead artist's name) deserve no respect. I saw the video describing MJs reworked tracks, with artists like Rodney Jerkins describing how they felt Michael was in the room when they were completing the work. I felt like vomiting. I remember listening to will.i.am saying he wouldn't release the material they worked on together (or something to that effect) because MJ was his friend. Integrity. Some have heard of it.

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Reply #26 posted 01/04/18 3:01pm

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PeteSilas said:

will said that? never knew too much about him but i just gained a lot of respect for him.


Same. If I ever find the exact clip again, I'll post it. Words to that effect. Will.i.am comes across well in interviews
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Reply #27 posted 01/04/18 3:03pm

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FragileUndertow said:

purplepolitician said:

Like shit smile

lol

lol biggrin

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Or else I wouldn't go through all the things I do
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Reply #28 posted 01/04/18 3:18pm

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Sweet baby Jesus no.
(Insert something clever here)
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Reply #29 posted 01/04/18 4:00pm

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Empress said:

purplethunder3121 said:

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I second this! Hell No!

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^^^ That's just what I said out loud, LOL lol

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