LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

NotACleverName said:

Yes. PP includes 65,000 sq ft of ground to potentially cover so you look in all the obvious places first. I believe numerous people have said that Prince always turned to the music....to heal (or mask) whatever emotional pain he was suffering. I would bet his succumbing to an addiction and knowing how the coming treatment would expose him to possible scrutiny was a major mind fuk.

O.k. So I am the only one that would look for the gravely I'll, unbelievable frail person who lives upstairs in the elevator...well, good to know about myself...

That's because you're a scientist...the others appear to be hmmmmm 'artists'?...you know, very creative types.

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

panic maybe, maybe trying to figure out what to do. didn't murray fuck around for a while when MJ od? There are also rumours that Elvis' people held off before they called the ambulance. All cases, they were dead already so people probably were trying to figure out how to handle it. Most of the time in those cases, all drugs are disposed of, in Elvis' case, not a drug to be found. Prince's death is the most surreal and strangest of all of them.

If I had a friend who almost died and was ill and struggling. I would have been going to check on him first thing in the morning. Help him get up a get ready for the meeting. I would not have sat in an office for 45 minutes chewing the fat with Andrew.

65,000 square feet, I'm sure there was a vacant bed or couch (maybe 50)...so, 'I know you want to be alone, Prince, but I gotta stay somewhere close so I can rest easy...you know how it is, I care about you, man, don't make me be worrying all night long, besides, maybe you might wanna talk or we can play some music later....OK now, I'm here if you need me. I love you.'

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

If I had a friend who almost died and was ill and struggling. I would have been going to check on him first thing in the morning. Help him get up a get ready for the meeting. I would not have sat in an office for 45 minutes chewing the fat with Andrew.

65,000 square feet, I'm sure there was a vacant bed or couch (maybe 50)...so, 'I know you want to be alone, Prince, but I gotta stay somewhere close so I can rest easy...you know how it is, I care about you, man, don't make me be worrying all night long, besides, maybe you might wanna talk or we can play some music later....OK now, I'm here if you need me. I love you.'

Somone could have hung out with him but it should have been obvious to go up to his living quarters and look for him.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

What about the combonation he had in his system. I have not heard one case of anyone else in Minneapolis dying from the Fetanyl, muscle relaxer, and the other substance. What are the chances that this is the same concotion that is now the death penalty drug in Nevada.

This was what was in the illegal pills. Is U-4700 a muscle relaxer?

However, two dozen of those tablets contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocaine and a newer drug called U-4770, or U-4 on the street.

I meant the muscle relaxer = lidocaine. See below for what is in the death penalty drug.

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fentanyl (the well-known opioid), diazepam (the sedative better known as Valium), and cisatracurium (a muscle relaxant that causes paralysis).

Diazepam was found in Prince's system. What are the chances that this type of combo make a good death penalty drug and also killed Prince. I get an e-mail with news articles from the Star and I have not seen any stories of other victimsin Minneapolis area dying from this combo.

It only takes one person to snap to kill someone and I am sure a 17 year old from the Northside did not make those pills. Do not underestimate the vaule of intellecutal property. One song can get as much as 300k in a film and Prince has a catalogue with a lot of good marketable tunes.

Trust me there are people the would love to faciltate the whole sale of his catalogue off to some large corporations so they can get a nice fee for putting the deal together.

Also realize that some fool paid $75k for Prince's boots which is just going to drive up the value of his assest.

Rock stars are worth more dead then alive. The family is going to get offers for everything as soon as the probate is done. Look what happend to the MJ's ATV catalogue of music. It did not take long for the people he trusted to sell it.

We have already watched as deals Prince had in place have been questioned and almost breeched not because they are bad deals but because someone was being greedy which has resulted in lawsuits that did not exist when Prince was alive and well.

purplerabbithole said:

Well, wasn't Prince riding a frigging bike on the 19th and walking outside the Walgreens the morning of the 20th? they were dealing with a drug addicted man who had probably successfully made it through three to four days of drug-free living. They were worried about him enough to bring the drug rehab guy, but that concern might have been more of a concern for the long term not the short term. Remember Paisley is a 65,000 square foot facility where P could have hid himself in for privacy etc. . if P normally avoided the elevator, they would assume it wouldn't be how he got around. P might have only taken the elevator just because he was having trouble walking once he took the drugs.

IF someone killed him who do you think it was and why? Why after 30 years? WHy now when P is not as much of a lucrative star? Was it by WB for his vault? Was it by KJ over personal reasons or because he was hired by WB or P's family? Was P really that despised by those around him? Could this many people lie about caring about him now? Could P have killed himself and confused the fuck out of those around him--is that so hard to believe? Even MJ wasn't killed over monetary reasons? There are much richer rock stars than PRince.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

purplerabbithole said: They described him 12 hours earlier in grave physical condition...he lives upstairs...they are there to do a crisis intervention...you really think when they go upstairs and he is not there, they first look in the studio? if that is actually what happened, then one thing we know for sure is the 3 people looking for him were total idiots, and maybe that is the truth...

PeteSilas said:

they say americans consume, what was it? 80 percent of the worlds drugs and we're only a 6 of the worlds population, i have to think there are other reasons than pain. something to do with how we live, it's not natural. It fucks peoples heads up with shame too, i've seen it totally fuck a close friends head up, then he projected all the guilt on the outside world, got paranoid, even acted like i was the worst human on the planet, i hate drugs and nothing i've seen makes me feel different. I don't tel people what to do, i just state how i feel about them and these addicts attack me because they feel guilty. Maybe it would be better if we had the conditions they do in other countries where we couldn't even get a lot of the drugs we do, would save a lot of lives. realy though, i don't know the answer, all i know is that i don't want to take anything unless it's really necessary and has a valid reason behind it and even then i'll feel ambiguous about it.

That ain't true for everybody.
"Cream" in Atlanta. Tell me I've got a point here.

Bukowski was a wreck of a man, but still an angel for seeing the beauty (under the crass) of the world.

"We don't need no clouds", I sure wish he was singing about sugar-coated servers only.

If I knew, I'd have him hooked up with Good Soothing Mary-Jane,
instead of a Fatal Fake Heroin of some kind.
Just to see if they'd match.

He may sure well be the Pope.
I'd gladly've been the Pimp.

[Edited 10/2/17 12:16pm]

That is not what I meant. They covered the drugs but not the numbers mentioned in that KTSP article. The media narrative is still that of an accidental overdose...no mention of enough fentanyl to kill 20 men that I found anywhere other than in that one story and here.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

a.) do we know the sources are legit? Because don't you think this would be an enormous nationwide story. Prince had assasination level drugs in his system but all the press can cover is his heirs etc.

b.) if the sources are legit, how do we know the death penalty cocktail didn't come from what we just read about P's death.

c.) if P was assasinated, it still doesn't mean KJ did it. Prince was a grown man who could have gotten the drugs from anyone. Prince, like any human, had vulnerabilites and probably needed looking after but he was also a stubborn shit who knew lots of people and was sneaky. Yeah, maybe the documentary about his vault set off a series of events that led to his drug supplier being contacted by WB to spike his drugs so that they could eventually buy back the stuff in his vault and release his WB catalogue online and on spotify. But that seems rather drastic to obtain music like may or may not sell that well.

It was an enormous story when it broke. The press has covered the drugs in his system and related to his death. They just don't report on the heirs.

One of the Prince haters is currently on this thread and I am not talking about you or Laura.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Did I ever stop someone from posting their what-if scenarios? I apologize for the language. But maybe I am tired of people on here acting like Prince was most hated man in Minnesota. Are we not fans on this site? Maybe we ought to have some compassion for this man instead of acting as if everyone around him only saw dollar signs when they looked at him. Either P is evil or hundreds of associates (who ignored or facilitated his death) are. Both scenarios that are popular these days on this site are terrible and depressing.

There are a few people consistently saying really negative things about him yes, but you are really hyper focused on those few people. This is the internet there are going to be butt holes...but most of the people posting are just as confused and concerned about the circumstances surrounding his life and death as you are. Let the hyper negative stuff go, as it will never stop...humans are dick wads...

[Edited 10/2/17 12:24pm]

laurarichardson said:

Showed only Fentanyl use was on April 20/21.

When was the blood test given precisely in that month of April? Prince saw Dr S at the beginning of April as well. Was the blood test administered then? We don't know. We have no record of when that blood test was actually taken. I had a full spectrum blood test a few years back, for which a couple of test results took more than a month to come back.

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He had test done with Dr. S the day before he died. Dr S was bring those test results to Prince. The ME and police know what those test were for and what was in Prince's blood. The ME said he was not a long term user and that is the reason they said accidentle. No one can prove he knew what was in the pills and we do not know what Dr. S test were for or what is in Dr. S 's notes from Prince's medical file.

You are not a wealthy person so yes your test took weeks. Dr. S was bringing test results to Prince. Stop thinking he was just like everybody else.

I believe that medical file would explain a lot. And he supposely o.d on Percocet and nothing as mentioned Percocet being found at Paisley Park at all. So what risk would he have know if he thought he was taking the Hydrocone.

fortuneandserendipity said:

muleFunk said:

If that was true he would have had patches of Fentanyl lying around.

He didn't.

Not true. Many fentanyl addicts don't bother with the patches. There are plenty of pills around, contained in bags marked 'contains fentanyl'. That, according to Dr Drew. But there are also many pills, which illegitimately contain it, as in not marked.

Fentanyl is just like every other opiate, just a lot stronger. Same metabolic pathway, same agonist action, you just take less of it because of its potency.

Also long term use would have shown in the toxicology screen .

It didn't.

Which toxicology screen? Are you talking the autopsy, and could that reliably determine long-term use of fentanyl?! Bear in mind how quickly fentanyl is cleared from the bloodstream, as well as the organs.

Showed only Fentanyl use was on April 20/21.

When was the blood test given precisely in that month of April? Prince saw Dr S at the beginning of April as well. Was the blood test administered then? We don't know. We have no record of when that blood test was actually taken. I had a full spectrum blood test a few years back, for which a couple of test results took more than a month to come back.

Someone said that the simplest answer is the truth.

Yah, I said that.

Simplest answer here is that someone gave him these pills in Atlanta because they showed up supposedly in his bags from the Atlanta trip that were still packed 5 days later. Well the investigation started in Atlanta........ nothing there no counterfeit Watson tablets killing folk in Atlanta. Let's go to Minn. ..... Still no Watson's killing people.

DEA goes into PP looking for computer information yet damn near 2 years later nothing found.

Kirk Johnson and Dr. S may have been getting percocet to Prince but that's not what killed him and you can't link these pills back to anyone in the area.

You're pointing in the direction of homicide right there. Anyone even gravitating in that direction, I feel sorry for.

More Occam's Razor to say that what killed him was very close in nature to what kills a lot of people, either from fentanyl addiction, or from any manner of opiate addiction: OD, usually unwillful. But in P's case, not necessarily.

[Edited 10/2/17 7:31am]

Where is the definitive evidence that the blood test was administered the day before? He saw Dr S in early April as well.

Assume you're right, a blood test taken a day before the results sure points to something specific being measured. When your blood is tested for lots of markers they don't all come back the next day.

Lastly, no blood test is going to prove P didn't take fentanyl prior to 20/21 April. It's an unknowable unknown. P wasn't Frankenstein kept in a lab.

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

Showed only Fentanyl use was on April 20/21.

When was the blood test given precisely in that month of April? Prince saw Dr S at the beginning of April as well. Was the blood test administered then? We don't know. We have no record of when that blood test was actually taken. I had a full spectrum blood test a few years back, for which a couple of test results took more than a month to come back.

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He had test done with Dr. S the day before he died. Dr S was bring those test results to Prince. The ME and police know what those test were for and what was in Prince's blood. The ME said he was not a long term user and that is the reason they said accidentle. No one can prove he knew what was in the pills and we do not know what Dr. S test were for or what is in Dr. S 's notes from Prince's medical file.

You are not a wealthy person so yes your test took weeks. Dr. S was bringing test results to Prince. Stop thinking he was just like everybody else.

I believe that medical file would explain a lot. And he supposely o.d on Percocet and nothing as mentioned Percocet being found at Paisley Park at all. So what risk would he have know if he thought he was taking the Hydrocone.

[Edited 10/2/17 7:31am]

Where is the definitive evidence that the blood test was administered the day before? He saw Dr S in early April as well.

Assume you're right, a blood test taken a day before the results sure points to something specific being measured. When your blood is tested for lots of markers they don't all come back the next day.

Lastly, no blood test is going to prove P didn't take fentanyl prior to 20/21 April. It's an unknowable unknown. P wasn't Frankenstein kept in a lab.

Dr. S was bringing test result to Prince what makes you think blood test were not included? I have never had a physical were blood was not drawn and several test were not ran. I even had a doctor with a lab in the same building and the results did come back in the same day.

It was discussed before that hair strands can tell if Fentenyl has been used for a long period of time. Don't you think hair test and tissue samples would have turned up something. The ME did say all of the Fentenyal came into his system that night. I remember that from media reports.

Remember he would have had test from Moline as well and no where in the search warrents did it mention Fentenyal in Moline. In fact it does not say anything about Percocet being found at Paisley Park.

I think the ME did there due dilengence and had some reason to conclude accidental. No proof of him using Fentenyal before and the pills being mislabled. I also think they gleemed info from his medical records. I still do not see a drug addict going back and forth to a doctor to be told they are on drugs and Dr. S was not treating him for addiction/withdrawals.

Why would a drug addcit need test to tell them they are on drugs?

laurarichardson said:

Dr. S was bringing test result to Prince what makes you think blood test were not included? I have never had a physical were blood was not drawn and several test were not ran. I even had a doctor with a lab in the same building and the results did come back in the same day.

It was discussed before that hair strands can tell if Fentenyl has been used for a long period of time. Don't you think hair test and tissue samples would have turned up something. The ME did say all of the Fentenyal came into his system that night. I remember that from media reports.

Remember he would have had test from Moline as well and no where in the search warrents did it mention Fentenyal in Moline. In fact it does not say anything about Percocet being found at Paisley Park.

I think the ME did there due dilengence and had some reason to conclude accidental. No proof of him using Fentenyal before and the pills being mislabled. I also think they gleemed info from his medical records. I still do not see a drug addict going back and forth to a doctor to be told they are on drugs and Dr. S was not treating him for addiction/withdrawals.

Why would a drug addcit need test to tell them they are on drugs?

Hair follicle tests can go back 90 days.

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Where is the definitive evidence that the blood test was administered the day before? He saw Dr S in early April as well.

Assume you're right, a blood test taken a day before the results sure points to something specific being measured. When your blood is tested for lots of markers they don't all come back the next day.

Lastly, no blood test is going to prove P didn't take fentanyl prior to 20/21 April. It's an unknowable unknown. P wasn't Frankenstein kept in a lab.

Dr. S was bringing test result to Prince what makes you think blood test were not included? I have never had a physical were blood was not drawn and several test were not ran. I even had a doctor with a lab in the same building and the results did come back in the same day.

It was discussed before that hair strands can tell if Fentenyl has been used for a long period of time. Don't you think hair test and tissue samples would have turned up something. The ME did say all of the Fentenyal came into his system that night. I remember that from media reports.

Remember he would have had test from Moline as well and no where in the search warrents did it mention Fentenyal in Moline. In fact it does not say anything about Percocet being found at Paisley Park.

I think the ME did there due dilengence and had some reason to conclude accidental. No proof of him using Fentenyal before and the pills being mislabled. I also think they gleemed info from his medical records. I still do not see a drug addict going back and forth to a doctor to be told they are on drugs and Dr. S was not treating him for addiction/withdrawals.

Why would a drug addcit need test to tell them they are on drugs?

Do you read before you post? No, well nothing's changed there. So to be clear so I'm not misinterpreted, the blood test could have been administered early April. And we certainly don't know for sure, what was being analysed from the blood test. No reliable first hand sources for it exist, up to this point.

Jsuk, tests like hormone levels, progesterone, testosterone, HGH as examples don't all typically come back the next day. Neither do certain vitamin tests, or diseases like HIV, hepatitis. No one lab does all the tests. Not where I live at any rate. Because there are so many things that can be measured in the blood, samples have to sent off to different places.

Don't kid yourself a hair fentanyl test is 100% reliable. Even when detected, the amounts of fentanyl are infinitessimally small, so can easily be missed, given it can be excreted elsewhere in the body. It can only trace about 3 months back in time anyway, so disproves nothing long-term, 6 months, 1 yr, 2 yrs ago.

Look, if someone gets hold of enough codeine (and you would need a lot) they will get the same high, and be in the same danger as someone taking, say, a therapeutic amount of fentanyl.

If someone gets hold of U47700 and takes enough of that, they will get the same high as someone taking fentanyl.

If someone acquires hydrocodone they can get the same high as someone taking fentanyl. Take enough of it, and they will be in the same danger, or ballpark therein, as someone taking...

I'm trying to prove a point. There are many different opioids, and the only difference between them is relative strength/potency. You really need to get off the fentanyl track because all opiates are the same essentially, and they all have the potential to kill. P was no special snowflake in this regard.

P had bone pain issues for years, possibly decades. It's perfectly plausible he had been medicating, possibly self-medicating, for that long. Just because there's a lack of certifiable evidence doesn't mean it never took place. Lots of private shit goes on with celebrities that goes undetected. Do you know when Michael Douglas was at home on his Majorcan villa, or when George Clooney chose to camp out by Lake Cuomo? No, I don't know and his fans don't know either. It's called privacy. It's why in the MJ documentary, a doctor revealed he knew of a staggering number of celebs who like MJ turned to private doctors to get prescription drugs on tap. But noone would ever guess. And it's why celebrities go out in disguise, incognito. They actually go unnoticed, and people are dumb enough not to recognise them.

So noone's going to be fishing around in P's vitamin, aspirin pill bottles, or checking his courier deliveries, now. Are they? There's too much we don't know and can't rule out. But the sheer preponderance of evidence points to P having an addiction issue, irrespective of whether it started out with bone pain. Accept the obvious and move on.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

that would have been ideal but we have no way of knowing if that very thing didn't happen on the previous three nights after his overdose , and the one night KJ decided to go home to his own family or whatever responsibilites he might have had, P decided to sneak some pills. Regardless, it was still P's house and if he didn't want anyone there, they legally could not remain in his house against his will.

NotACleverName said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

65,000 square feet, I'm sure there was a vacant bed or couch (maybe 50)...so, 'I know you want to be alone, Prince, but I gotta stay somewhere close so I can rest easy...you know how it is, I care about you, man, don't make me be worrying all night long, besides, maybe you might wanna talk or we can play some music later....OK now, I'm here if you need me. I love you.'

Yes, absolutely....💜

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

This was what was in the illegal pills. Is U-4700 a muscle relaxer?

However, two dozen of those tablets contained a different chemical cocktail of fentanyl, lidocaine and a newer drug called U-4770, or U-4 on the street.

I meant the muscle relaxer = lidocaine. See below for what is in the death penalty drug.

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fentanyl (the well-known opioid), diazepam (the sedative better known as Valium), and cisatracurium (a muscle relaxant that causes paralysis).

Diazepam was found in Prince's system. What are the chances that this type of combo make a good death penalty drug and also killed Prince. I get an e-mail with news articles from the Star and I have not seen any stories of other victimsin Minneapolis area dying from this combo.

Well lidocaine isn't normally classified as a muscle relaxer, it is a numbing agent.

Was cisatracurium found in Prince's system?

purplerabbithole said:

One of the Prince haters is currently on this thread and I am not talking about you or Laura.

[Edited 10/2/17 12:24pm]

Oh, do tell. Who would that be? Let's not play these games. The discussion is going well.

Bodhitheblackdog said:

laurarichardson said:

If I had a friend who almost died and was ill and struggling. I would have been going to check on him first thing in the morning. Help him get up a get ready for the meeting. I would not have sat in an office for 45 minutes chewing the fat with Andrew.

65,000 square feet, I'm sure there was a vacant bed or couch (maybe 50)...so, 'I know you want to be alone, Prince, but I gotta stay somewhere close so I can rest easy...you know how it is, I care about you, man, don't make me be worrying all night long, besides, maybe you might wanna talk or we can play some music later....OK now, I'm here if you need me. I love you.'

he was not in any form to put up too much of a fight. he was exhausted...literally.

how about... no one knows. So why speculate?

Not referring to you either. I drop it. I shouldn't have brought it up. It was wrong of me to bring up past comments from other bloggers that bothered me in the past.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

One of the Prince haters is currently on this thread and I am not talking about you or Laura.

[Edited 10/2/17 12:24pm]

Oh, do tell. Who would that be? Let's not play these games. The discussion is going well.

[Edited 10/2/17 16:25pm]

exhausted? so exhausted he couldn't walk over and get his pain pills? I speculated he appeared exhausted but obviously he wasn't too exhausted to get out of bed and get some pills and walk to an elevator. Second winds happen.

SpinsterSister said:

Bodhitheblackdog said:

65,000 square feet, I'm sure there was a vacant bed or couch (maybe 50)...so, 'I know you want to be alone, Prince, but I gotta stay somewhere close so I can rest easy...you know how it is, I care about you, man, don't make me be worrying all night long, besides, maybe you might wanna talk or we can play some music later....OK now, I'm here if you need me. I love you.'

he was not in any form to put up too much of a fight. he was exhausted...literally.

purplerabbithole said:

exhausted? so exhausted he couldn't walk over and get his pain pills? I speculated he appeared exhausted but obviously he wasn't too exhausted to get out of bed and get some pills and walk to an elevator. Second winds happen.

SpinsterSister said:

he was not in any form to put up too much of a fight. he was exhausted...literally.

exhausted is more than physical.

We were just discussing those 'sources' The ME and the police have not issued such statements out of Minnesota about Prince's levels etc.

So it does look like there were other deaths from fentanyl in Hennepin County.

Toxicology results revealed Prince's blood fentanyl level measured 67.8 milligrams. Three is considered fatal by experts. His liver fentanyl level topped 435 milligrams. Anything above 69 is toxic, according to investigators. And his gastric fentanyl registered at 14,000, an extraordinarily high amount, and more than his 112-pound body could handle, according to sources.

Prince was the most recognizable name to die from fentanyl last year, but not the only one. In Hennepin County, 39 people died from ingesting fentanyl, and in Ramsey County 17 people passed away.

http://kstp.com/medical/f...Cbr%20/%3E

http://prince.org/msg/7/442603

Where is the specific legal documentation of the toxicology results, the one that gives these numbers? Does anyone know or have a legitimate copy? Because I am not aware of any document stating this info being out there anywhere, other than a newpaper article. Does anyone have a link to the actual report? Because these news "sources" who make statements like the one above, yet had no link anywhere within that article to prove the info they gave is true, can not be viewed as anything more than hearsay. People are looking at these numbers as if they are real and I don't see any justification to believe that unless we see a legal source.

[Edited 10/2/17 21:26pm]

Mumio said:

We were just discussing those 'sources' The ME and the police have not issued such statements out of Minnesota about Prince's levels etc.

Where is the specific legal documentation of the toxicology results, the one that gives these numbers? Does anyone know or have a legitimate copy? Because I am not aware of any document stating this info being out there anywhere, other than a newpaper article. Does anyone have a link to the actual report? Because these news "sources" who make statements like the one above, yet had no link anywhere within that article to prove the info they gave is true, can not be viewed as anything more than hearsay. People are looking at these numbers as if they are real and I don't see any justification to believe that unless we see a legal source.

[Edited 10/2/17 21:26pm]

you're right, that's one of the problems with these leaks, we don't know how much of them are true even though they sound like they very well might be.

Mumio said:

We were just discussing those 'sources' The ME and the police have not issued such statements out of Minnesota about Prince's levels etc.

Where is the specific legal documentation of the toxicology results, the one that gives these numbers? Does anyone know or have a legitimate copy? Because I am not aware of any document stating this info being out there anywhere, other than a newpaper article. Does anyone have a link to the actual report? Because these news "sources" who make statements like the one above, yet had no link anywhere within that article to prove the info they gave is true, can not be viewed as anything more than hearsay. People are looking at these numbers as if they are real and I don't see any justification to believe that unless we see a legal source.

[Edited 10/2/17 21:26pm]

Unfortunatly, the police have not issued a statement to dispute it and you would think they would.

I belive someone with a medical background figured out the amount of Fentenyl in his system would have been enought to kill a sperm whale.

laurarichardson said:

Mumio said:

Where is the specific legal documentation of the toxicology results, the one that gives these numbers? Does anyone know or have a legitimate copy? Because I am not aware of any document stating this info being out there anywhere, other than a newpaper article. Does anyone have a link to the actual report? Because these news "sources" who make statements like the one above, yet had no link anywhere within that article to prove the info they gave is true, can not be viewed as anything more than hearsay. People are looking at these numbers as if they are real and I don't see any justification to believe that unless we see a legal source.

[Edited 10/2/17 21:26pm]

Unfortunatly, the police have not issued a statement to dispute it and you would think they would.

I belive someone with a medical background figured out the amount of Fentenyl in his system would have been enought to kill a sperm whale.

if that's true, no way in hell was it "accidental" no one will convince me if that comes out as true. he wanted out, he wanted out without anyone having a chance to bring him back.

PeteSilas said:

laurarichardson said:

Unfortunatly, the police have not issued a statement to dispute it and you would think they would.

I belive someone with a medical background figured out the amount of Fentenyl in his system would have been enought to kill a sperm whale.

if that's true, no way in hell was it "accidental" no one will convince me if that comes out as true. he wanted out, he wanted out without anyone having a chance to bring him back.

Well you are correct. He either knew what was in those pills and had them made specificaly to end his life or someone made them up to end his life not to give him pain relief or feed some addiction.

I suspect that as long as the case in open the police will not confirm or deny anything because the amount if true is a key element of the case. We would only find out if it is true if the case ever makes it to trial and I would doubt that is going to happen.

laurarichardson said:

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

laurarichardson said:

Well you are correct. He either knew what was in those pills and had them made specificaly to end his life or someone made them up to end his life not to give him pain relief or feed some addiction.

I suspect that as long as the case in open the police will not confirm or deny anything because the amount if true is a key element of the case. We would only find out if it is true if the case ever makes it to trial and I would doubt that is going to happen.

So wouldn't the only reason an illegal drug maker would put that much fentanyl in a pill on purpose, be for a very large sum of money? because if it had been requested they would know it would be intended to kill a person, either at their own hands or someone else's. I know the drug makers are criminals, but it seems like a super stupid self endangered thing to do, so how much do you think it would cost to have someone make the kill pill? Also I honestly don't think anyone would have done it knowing it was intended for a world famous person, as that would multiple the risk factor by a lot. Just wondering if the pill was requested and paid for how much did it cost? And if prince had it made wouldn't there be a weird large unexplained cash withdrawal somewhere? Stretching I know, but if the pill was made someone made the deal and paid for it

Scott the engineer said Prince paid him with envelopes of cash. Once Alan Leeds said they were discussing something Prince wanted to buy or do at Paisley Park and when Prince was told by the accountant that their was no money he pulled out a check book from some account that no one knew of.

Tidal claims that paid Prince 3 million dollars and it appears the estate managers had no idea where it was located. He had almost a million in gold bars. He did not write a check for those drugs and what drug dealer would purposely make a drug to kill a wealthy customer unless the customer wanted it to kill them or someone wanted the customer dead.

As far as killing a high proflie person. Do you see this case getting any attention in the media?

There are people who have contacted various media outlets with no response or interest.

[Edited 10/3/17 8:15am]

either way, i hate it when the "experts' piss on my head and tell me it's raining. they are full of shit. maybe for a good cause but full of shit nonetheless.

Mumio said:

Where is the specific legal documentation of the toxicology results, the one that gives these numbers? Does anyone know or have a legitimate copy? Because I am not aware of any document stating this info being out there anywhere, other than a newpaper article. Does anyone have a link to the actual report? Because these news "sources" who make statements like the one above, yet had no link anywhere within that article to prove the info they gave is true, can not be viewed as anything more than hearsay. People are looking at these numbers as if they are real and I don't see any justification to believe that unless we see a legal source.

[Edited 10/2/17 21:26pm]

Just as it's hearsay that he bought the drugs and that he was "addicted" to pain killers.

Matter of fact the KSTP story should be more credible because it's quantifiable amounts in is system instead of the more nebulous "found in his system".

However Mumio I tend to side with you on being skeptical of all the information that's been released in this case.

I also tend to believe that someone leaked the info to KSTP for a reason and that reason was to let the public know that this particular case was leaning more to a hit vs the random normal OD because of the amounts and the type of drug.