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*PURPLE RAIN DELUXE* - DISC 1 (REMASTER) - Discuss

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The long-awaited Purple Rain Deluxe is out now.

You can listen on Spotify here. You can purchase it on Amazon, in your local record store, or via the official website at www.officialprincemusic.com

This thread is for discussing the remastered first disc, only.

DISC 2 (VAULT) - DISCUSSION HERE

DISC 3 (EDITS/EXTENDED) - DISCUSSION HERE

DISC 4 (DVD) - DISCUSSION HERE

PACKAGING/LINER NOTES - DISCUSSION HERE




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Reply #1 posted 06/23/17 5:25am

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After normalizing the tracks, I'm not really hearing much - if any - difference. There's nothing to make me think I need to delete my existing tracks. In fact, the slightly harsher sounding end to Let's Go Crazy makes me think I should delete the "remaster".

Actually, I've never really thought Purple Rain needed to be remastered, but I'll spend a bit more time comparing the two.


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Reply #2 posted 06/23/17 5:32am

maceoparker007

airth said:

After normalizing the tracks, I'm not really hearing much - if any - difference. There's nothing to make me think I need to delete my existing tracks. In fact, the slightly harsher sounding end to Let's Go Crazy makes me think I should delete the "remaster".

Actually, I've never really thought Purple Rain needed to be remastered, but I'll spend a bit more time comparing the two.



Yeah it all sounds a lot 'brighter' than the orginal and almost too 'clean'? The mid range seems to have gone into the background somewhat. I get hard bass and sharp treble listening on my H6 Headphones which are neutral sounding headphones.

It seems this remaster is catering for people with Beats headphones which naturally have no treble and want a fake full bodied sound with no finesse whatsoever.

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Reply #3 posted 06/23/17 6:26am

pxysticks

Stupid me bought the iTunes version, not the hard copy. I wasn't aware at the time I made the purchase that there would be a hard copy with a DVD... sad

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Reply #4 posted 06/23/17 7:28am

ozone14

IMO the 2015 Remaster isn't an improvement. It just sounds louder. The 2nd and 3rd disc sound better. Listen to "Love And Sex", those Linn drums sound great! "God", "Lonely Christmas", "Erotic City", "Possessed" sound great! (only mentioning the 2nd and 3rd disc as a comparison to the 1st in terms of sound quality)

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Reply #5 posted 06/23/17 7:43am

maceoparker007

ozone14 said:

IMO the 2015 Remaster isn't an improvement. It just sounds louder. The 2nd and 3rd disc sound better. Listen to "Love And Sex", those Linn drums sound great! "God", "Lonely Christmas", "Erotic City", "Possessed" sound great! (only mentioning the 2nd and 3rd disc as a comparison to the 1st in terms of sound quality)

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Doesn't surprise me as Josha Welton was the sound engineer for Disc 1, he was responsible for Hit n Run albums so all he has done is cleaned it up and made it louder at the expensive of drowning out all the details of the orginal recording.

Bernie Grundman did the remastering for the other CD's which is why some details still remain however still not great overall and some obvious imperfections like the crinkle at the beginning of Erotic City extended version.

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Reply #6 posted 06/23/17 8:15am

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Helps to have good speakers or phones.

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Reply #7 posted 06/23/17 8:21am

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Yea, it sounds brighter. Full on. No biggie. lol

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Reply #8 posted 06/23/17 10:11am

thedaner

I've only heard this on a streaming service (Spotify) so far, but there is a HUGE difference. That being said, Prince loved high end so that is very much present in the new version. I think it's much better than the original master and glad to have it!

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Reply #9 posted 06/23/17 10:46am

ozone14

2freaky4church1 said:

Helps to have good speakers or phones.


A good mix and master should sound good on any device. Besides that I have good speakers. But like a previous poster said, a lot of the detail is missing. It's over compressed in order to be as loud as possible.
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Reply #10 posted 06/23/17 10:48am

ozone14

maceoparker007 said:



ozone14 said:


IMO the 2015 Remaster isn't an improvement. It just sounds louder. The 2nd and 3rd disc sound better. Listen to "Love And Sex", those Linn drums sound great! "God", "Lonely Christmas", "Erotic City", "Possessed" sound great! (only mentioning the 2nd and 3rd disc as a comparison to the 1st in terms of sound quality)


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Doesn't surprise me as Josha Welton was the sound engineer for Disc 1, he was responsible for Hit n Run albums so all he has done is cleaned it up and made it louder at the expensive of drowning out all the details of the orginal recording.

Bernie Grundman did the remastering for the other CD's which is why some details still remain however still not great overall and some obvious imperfections like the crinkle at the beginning of Erotic City extended version.


Thanks for the info. Yea it's def 2 different masters
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Reply #11 posted 06/23/17 11:30am

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Should we have a separate sticky for the vinyl release?
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Reply #12 posted 06/23/17 1:06pm

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maceoparker007 said:



airth said:


After normalizing the tracks, I'm not really hearing much - if any - difference. There's nothing to make me think I need to delete my existing tracks. In fact, the slightly harsher sounding end to Let's Go Crazy makes me think I should delete the "remaster".

Actually, I've never really thought Purple Rain needed to be remastered, but I'll spend a bit more time comparing the two.






Yeah it all sounds a lot 'brighter' than the orginal and almost too 'clean'? The mid range seems to have gone into the background somewhat. I get hard bass and sharp treble listening on my H6 Headphones which are neutral sounding headphones.

It seems this remaster is catering for people with Beats headphones which naturally have no treble and want a fake full bodied sound with no finesse whatsoever.



Well i am listening with Darth Beyers on a cell phone mp3 so.. all the same darth beyers.. i can hear whats going on for later on actual disk and proper speakers... this IS better. PURPLE RAIN is a bitch to master and too clean? No. Perfectly clean.but not 100 percent clean. Except DARLING NIKKI is showing what you can do with remastering as opposed to remix/remaster... its weird... the previous distortion hid the ACTUAL DISTORTION and sounds worse, meanwhile other parts of the song shine.. when that article said he went brighter i thought "a distortional headeache... plus it really bright already." BUT I almost fell over when THE BEAUTIFUL ONES came on, right after a decent TAKE ME WITH U considering I was thinking maybe its crazy but Appelonia CAN.. ALMOST... SING a little? Im not through it uet but THE BEAUTIFUL ONES nailed it. BABY IM A STAR is not doing too badly either. We shall see the reality. I will let you all A/B that... i still saw Metallica, THE REVOLUTION and THE REVOLUTION last week. I probably cant hear.
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Reply #13 posted 06/23/17 1:10pm

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ozone14 said:

maceoparker007 said:



ozone14 said:


IMO the 2015 Remaster isn't an improvement. It just sounds louder. The 2nd and 3rd disc sound better. Listen to "Love And Sex", those Linn drums sound great! "God", "Lonely Christmas", "Erotic City", "Possessed" sound great! (only mentioning the 2nd and 3rd disc as a comparison to the 1st in terms of sound quality)


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Doesn't surprise me as Josha Welton was the sound engineer for Disc 1, he was responsible for Hit n Run albums so all he has done is cleaned it up and made it louder at the expensive of drowning out all the details of the orginal recording.

Bernie Grundman did the remastering for the other CD's which is why some details still remain however still not great overall and some obvious imperfections like the crinkle at the beginning of Erotic City extended version.


Thanks for the info. Yea it's def 2 different masters

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FUCKING A. It SHOULD have been PRINCE himself, or really Bernie or Steve Hoffman. The guy for HITNRUN? That last sentence I just said is infused with irony, stupidty, and sadness.
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Reply #14 posted 06/23/17 1:15pm

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SO, does anyone have the vinyl so you can tell us bot to buy it other than for collection because... really what are the chances it was mastered properly for vinyl, and its really just a 180g very large CD? Please let us know.
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Reply #15 posted 06/23/17 1:24pm

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Duplicate please delete. Or tell me how. Yes i know ive been here way too long for that question.
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Reply #16 posted 06/23/17 1:39pm

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TheAStarr said:[quote]

ozone14 said:


Thanks for the info. Yea it's def 2 different masters


Yes thanks for this information. Even mp3 gotta say DANCE ELECTRIC happened and although disc 1 i feel is more improved than not, dance electric right after that long purple rain ending I just went...
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OHHH THERE IT IS.
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Someone with the vinyl tell me it was mastered it should be.... (i know but this is where i hope.... and again i don't dislike the CD but I think it is more of an an improvent than not.
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But damnit disc 2 started... like a kick in the ass).
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AND I must restate that i dont have my physical set yer... and this is a cell phone and a downloaded not streaed mp3 but its a good phone and the HEADPHONES. I cant like judge judge...but uh yeah. Disc one im like cool alright i like this, ooh i hear that.. decent job... then really disc 2 just smacked me upside my head while I was typing and yelled at me.. "GET BACK! DONT YOU TOUCH MY STEREO THIS IS MY WRECKAS!"
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Reply #17 posted 06/23/17 2:11pm

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Should we have a separate sticky for the vinyl release?

Can we have a separate sticky for everyone who wants to complain about this release? lol
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Reply #18 posted 06/23/17 3:20pm

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rogifan said:

KingSausage said:

Should we have a separate sticky for the vinyl release?

Can we have a separate sticky for everyone who wants to complain about this release? lol

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Well is it worth it? Again, I keep asking, is the exact master just shoved onto the vinyl or was some proper analag done? No point for another sticky if people will just complain there too. I dont this femaster is too bad at all, but the fact that main album is the one that make a person tilt their head once disc 2 begins. I am praying its not exactly the same. No one has reported on it yet.
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Reply #19 posted 06/23/17 3:26pm

KingSausage

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rogifan said:

KingSausage said:

Should we have a separate sticky for the vinyl release?

Can we have a separate sticky for everyone who wants to complain about this release? lol



Really? Do you not understand why someone might want a separate discussion about the vinyl release? Good christ.
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Reply #20 posted 06/23/17 3:28pm

kingricefan

I haven't even received an email from Amazon yet letting me know that my order has been shipped. They probably won't even get around to it until next Thursday.......Why pre-order something if they can't even get it shipped out on the release date (or a day before)?

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Reply #21 posted 06/23/17 3:35pm

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KingSausage said:

rogifan said:


Can we have a separate sticky for everyone who wants to complain about this release? lol



Really? Do you not understand why someone might want a separate discussion about the vinyl release? Good christ.

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OH I DO. I just dont seem to have faith that this is is quite possibly andigital remaster of analog record pretty close to bricked digitally, not mastered for vinyl properly and oh... shoved digital back to analog. HEY I have not heard it, anx i think the CD is decent, but someone needs to say... "the vinyl is where it is at and this is why" and trust me I am all for a different thread. But if it is a giant analog what... laserdisc, ha, of the exact same sound. The CD is fine.. .
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You know its WB right? Im just looking for anyone who has the vinyl and their thoughts... or info... its oddly quiet.
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Reply #22 posted 06/23/17 3:38pm

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I haven't even received an email from Amazon yet letting me know that my order has been shipped. They probably won't even get around to it until next Thursday.....Why pre-order something if they can't even get it shipped out on the release date (or a day before)?



Well, you should be able to download and listen to the mp3s in Amazon music... thats something?
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Reply #23 posted 06/23/17 4:22pm

ForceofNature

It isn't like this remaster is unlistenable at all - and it even has improved bass from what I can hear. However the HD Tracks version of the album is the best sounding one in my opinion, dynamic and a great balanced EQ overall. This one has a bit too much compression for my taste

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Reply #24 posted 06/23/17 4:29pm

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The remaster isn't the worst thing I've ever heard. But I don't hear anything that approaches an improvement over the previous CD. I love the other parts of this set, but disc 1 is a coaster in waiting.
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Reply #25 posted 06/23/17 4:42pm

maceoparker007

2freaky4church1 said:

Yea, it sounds brighter. Full on. No biggie. lol



The brighter tone wrecks havoc on any tracks which feature high end gutair playing am also finding Prince's vocals sound more distant...this together makes the leading track Purple Rain distressing to listen to as the emotion has been effectively been 'bleached' out.
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Reply #26 posted 06/23/17 4:49pm

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I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.

Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd.

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Reply #27 posted 06/23/17 5:18pm

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I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.



Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd.







thanks for that, yep the new remaster doesn't sit well for me. If I want to listen to the ,purple rain soundtrack I will be using the original cd.

i don't think Joshua did it knowingly, however it does show how inexperienced he is
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Reply #28 posted 06/23/17 6:04pm

kingricefan

Yes, I do have that option but the problem is that my internet connection cuts out for split seconds about three times a minute (Comcast swears that it's my 'port' on my pc where the cable plugs in the back), so I can't download anything that will take a while to download without it screwing up. I'll just wait til I actually have my copy in my hand and rip it to my music center.

TheAStarr said:

kingricefan said:

I haven't even received an email from Amazon yet letting me know that my order has been shipped. They probably won't even get around to it until next Thursday.......Why pre-order something if they can't even get it shipped out on the release date (or a day before)?

Well, you should be able to download and listen to the mp3s in Amazon music... thats something?

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Reply #29 posted 06/23/17 7:17pm

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Bishop31 said:




I wanted to see exactly what Joshua did with the "Remaster". So, I uploaded this into my Ableton Software that I use to Mix/Master my own music. If you look at my screenshot above, you will see the difference in the dynamics on the New (Top) and Original (Bottom). You will notice how the New Master is on some parts totally dark, which means it literally has no dynamics. He CRANKED TF out of this album. All he did was RAISE THE VOLUME. So, don't confuse louder with better. The AES Standard, which suggests the Loudness Level Standards for music, their standard is -16. "Lets Go Crazy" was -6.6. That's -10db higher than the AES Standard. That's absolute garbage, and frankly unprofessional.



Apple Music standard is -16 and Spotify is -14. Both streaming sites will have to lower the levels of this album. Which means it will sound like a Squashed Turd.







thanks for that, yep the new remaster doesn't sit well for me. If I want to listen to the ,purple rain soundtrack I will be using the original cd.

i don't think Joshua did it knowingly, however it does show how inexperienced he is

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Where is Scottie when you need him? Usually there... but what if they approached this disc to make you feel like you really were there. Not like crazy just some.... Thats what is is like for the revolution and scottie is doing tbe soud on tour right now.
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There is something... i disagreed earlier partially about it being too clean. But tbiz feel like PERFECT perfect.like you dont want...
.BUT
. DISC 2 THOUGH. DISC ONE feels archival...nicely done.
DISC 2 REMINDS YOU OF THE REAL THING.
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