TwiliteKid said:

RODSERLING said:

Nobody buys this magazines in summer. What a smart idea for a reedition to release it in summer.

More of your patented "facts", huh Rod?

Yes, in summer specialized press sells less. Albums sell less too.

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Maybe the day you will prove what you're saying as I always do, quoting numbers, sales and facts, you could be as condescendant as you are. Until then, I'm sure you have better things to do.

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You didn't even know that press was part of promotion of an album. My gosh. If you think WB does the best they can with 4EVER and PR DELUXE, good for you.

^ really????

Originally the Purple Rain album was released in june = the summertime, back in 1984..

The album sold very well, at number 1 for 24 weeks..... and it was indeed released in the summer....

RODSERLING said:

TwiliteKid said:

RODSERLING said: More of your patented "facts", huh Rod?

Yes, in summer specialized press sells less. Albums sell less too.

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Maybe the day you will prove what you're saying as I always do, quoting numbers, sales and facts, you could be as condescendant as you are. Until then, I'm sure you have better things to do.

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You didn't even know that press was part of promotion of an album. My gosh. If you think WB does the best they can with 4EVER and PR DELUXE, good for you.

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you claim that I don't prove my statements just after casually tossing out the "fact" that magazines sell less in the summer without back up. Are you fucking kidding me?

As for what I do or don't know - I've worked in the music business for a decade, and I KNOW I've got a better grasp on the mechanics and the climate of industry than you do. FACT - at most major labels (Warner included) press and promotions are two different departments, with different budgets and mandates.

Calm down, people. The musicindustry has changed dramatically since PR was originally released. At that time record companies were still making massive profits from frontline-releases. These days they either spent huge amnounts in marketing or the poluarities of their top-sellers die sooner than anyone would guess. The demand for Ed SheeranAdeleColdplay and the likes is cost-effective.

Those who claim that the sales figures of PR deluxe will determine wether or not there'll be SOTT deluxe must not fear at all. It doesn't cost much to have "unreleased" tracks mastered and mixed for release. It doesn't cost much either to have lush packaging wrapped around those unreleased ditties. Whatever the sales figures of PR deluxe will be, WBR will make a profit. It can actually cost much more to block storage space for the deluxe-packages than to produce it. That's why all record companies start a pre-sale relatively early on. That way they can order accordingly and work cost-effectively once more.

Catalogue is a very lucrative enterprise for record companies and I doubt that any company will be stupid enough to not release any as yet unreleased stuff, if it is able to. But catalogue is also a specialized market that needs no big promo-campaigns to cater those who need to be catered.

But, why the hell does it matter to fans how well albums sell? As the great Roger Waters once said: "If sales-figures were important factors in determining whether music is good or not, then Grease would have been better than Graceland." Or would you say that The Rainbow Children is not as good as SheeranAdeleColdplay?

BartVanHemelen said:

TwiliteKid said:

As labels define it, promo is paid advertising. The documentary and interviews are press. And it remains to be seen if there will be any similar efforts for Purple Rain - as you suggest, let's wait and see what hits once it's available.

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Judging from previous months, Uncut and Mojo will reveal the contents of their upcoming issues by the end of this week. Uncut's July 2017 issue had "The Return of Prince's Revolution" as one of its cover lines, and that was for a two-page concert review.

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New issue of Uncut hasn't got anything Princely on its cover....

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Nothing in Q magazine as well. Their Summer 2017 issue was released about a week ago, and doesn't even contain a review.

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rdhull said:

I just gotta know.. are we even gonna try to love each other? (c) Vicky Vale

Not if Prince isn't here to see us do it.

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Judging from previous months, Uncut and Mojo will reveal the contents of their upcoming issues by the end of this week. Uncut's July 2017 issue had "The Return of Prince's Revolution" as one of its cover lines, and that was for a two-page concert review.

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New issue of Uncut hasn't got anything Princely on its cover....

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Nothing in Q magazine as well. Their Summer 2017 issue was released about a week ago, and doesn't even contain a review.

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[Edited 6/13/17 11:40am]

... Hence my whole point about the thread... Fams think it's about a sales thing, which they get all self concious over... It's not...

It's the point that this is the biggest major release from Prince since his death, probably the most important release and very very little hype, news, press forget promotion, just the hype, there's no hype around this important deluxe edition on his most celebrated album... I mean remember the hype when Thriller and Bad 25 were re released... It's sad, really...

Don't worry FeelUupp... your threads are good, I enjoy them/ your threads.

Those who say they never care about the charts (according Prince), they are lying... believe me...

Becuase everyone (I guess here - Ok), but are proud when P is at number 1,

At least I am proud he sold as 1 of the greatest in the world, 100+ mio album..

That is impresive alright, so the chart means something to some of us,

But ok of course the art means even more, and not all art ends up on the charts, as a succes.

The business is not always "fair", maybe Jackson had more single hits, but still P had a lot more album hits.

Lets be proud of these facts..... I know I am (proud), and to some degree I would like to see PR Deluxe Expanded at the number 1.

Altho it might not happen, this summer....... but let's wait and see.....

thedance said:

Don't worry FeelUupp... your threads are good, I enjoy them/ your threads.

Those who say they never care about the charts (according Prince), they are lying... believe me...

Becuase everyone (I guess here - Ok), but are proud when P is at number 1,

At least I am proud he sold as 1 of the greatest in the world, 100+ mio album..

That is impresive alright, so the chart means something to some of us,

But ok of course the art means even more, and not all art ends up on the charts, as a succes.

The business is not always "fair", maybe Jackson had more single hits, but still P had a lot more album hits.

Lets be proud of these facts..... I know I am (proud), and to some degree I would like to see PR Deluxe Expanded at the number 1.

Altho it might not happen, this summer....... but let's wait and see.....

Thank you

Like I stated, it's not the importance of sales or him being #1, ofc we all would like our favorite artist to be on the charts... But it's not an issue of charts, I'm just curious why there has been very little hype or talk about the PR DELUXE in the public... It's a bit odd we are 10 days out from the release and so far what one article in Vanity and one mini show on a dutch tv program, that's it?

feeluupp said:

one mini show on a dutch tv program, that's it?

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Wut?

hes not beyonce or madonna etc...they wont spend money for him

luvsexy4all said:

hes not beyonce or madonna etc...they wont spend money for him

^ yuck.

In case Prince was a fine restaurant,

then Beyoncé and Madonna would be McDonalds and Burger King..

( Ok, I own several cd's by Madonna, but she and Boyonce as well, - imho - none of these are true artists )

BartVanHemelen said:

feeluupp said:

one mini show on a dutch tv program, that's it?

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Wut?

My guess....:

Susan Rogers was on tv in Holland, making promotion, telling stories about her work as engineer for Prince 1983-1987...

Maybe this was what feelUupp refers to?

thedance said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Wut?

My guess....:

Susan Rogers was on tv in Holland, making promotion, telling stories about her work as engineer for Prince 1983-1987...

Maybe this was what feelUupp refers to?

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Yeah, I found the relevant tweet, and of course there is zero info on what the source of that short interview was... Goddamn self-important famz.

thedance said:

Susan Rogers was on tv in Holland, making promotion, telling stories about her work as engineer for Prince 1983-1987...

Maybe this was what feelUupp refers to?

Not on Dutch tv: it was on the Rhino Facebook-page for the Benelux. Tomorrow they'll put part 2 of the interview up.

BartVanHemelen said:

Yeah, I found the relevant tweet, and of course there is zero info on what the source of that short interview was... Goddamn self-important famz.

It was filmed three weeks ago by Rhino Benelux while Susan was in Rotterdam for a lecture.

superharry said:

thedance said:

Susan Rogers was on tv in Holland, making promotion, telling stories about her work as engineer for Prince 1983-1987...

Maybe this was what feelUupp refers to?

Not on Dutch tv: it was on the Rhino Facebook-page for the Benelux. Tomorrow they'll put part 2 of the interview up.

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Ah, good to know.

nonesuch said:

Calm down, people. The musicindustry has changed dramatically since PR was originally released. At that time record companies were still making massive profits from frontline-releases. These days they either spent huge amnounts in marketing or the poluarities of their top-sellers die sooner than anyone would guess. The demand for Ed SheeranAdeleColdplay and the likes is cost-effective.

Those who claim that the sales figures of PR deluxe will determine wether or not there'll be SOTT deluxe must not fear at all. It doesn't cost much to have "unreleased" tracks mastered and mixed for release. It doesn't cost much either to have lush packaging wrapped around those unreleased ditties. Whatever the sales figures of PR deluxe will be, WBR will make a profit. It can actually cost much more to block storage space for the deluxe-packages than to produce it. That's why all record companies start a pre-sale relatively early on. That way they can order accordingly and work cost-effectively once more.

Catalogue is a very lucrative enterprise for record companies and I doubt that any company will be stupid enough to not release any as yet unreleased stuff, if it is able to. But catalogue is also a specialized market that needs no big promo-campaigns to cater those who need to be catered.

But, why the hell does it matter to fans how well albums sell? As the great Roger Waters once said: "If sales-figures were important factors in determining whether music is good or not, then Grease would have been better than Graceland." Or would you say that The Rainbow Children is not as good as SheeranAdeleColdplay?

I don't know the internal mechanics of the industry nowadays, it's been years since I left it.
But from my knowledge of it and the pre-press, my guess is that they are now able to print and manufacture nearly on demand. The importance of online sales, the modern sales monitoring tools also allow for the strict minimum of physical storage.

I think you're right when you say that catalogue is a specialized market that does not need massive promotion. It's really long tail 101.

Genesia said:

rdhull said:

I just gotta know.. are we even gonna try to love each other? (c) Vicky Vale

Not if Prince isn't here to see us do it.

You exhibitionist.

thedance said:

^ really????

Originally the Purple Rain album was released in june = the summertime, back in 1984..

The album sold very well, at number 1 for 24 weeks..... and it was indeed released in the summer....

It wasn't a reedition in 1984 ! There was huge airplay, huge tv adverts, a box office success, etc.

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It didn't need promotion in specialised press. But reeditions does, because its aimed exactly at the same audience that read musical magazine.

That's why Sgp Peppers was re-re-released with huge promotion. And it worked.

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TwiliteKid said:

RODSERLING said:

Yes, in summer specialized press sells less. Albums sell less too.

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Maybe the day you will prove what you're saying as I always do, quoting numbers, sales and facts, you could be as condescendant as you are. Until then, I'm sure you have better things to do.

.

You didn't even know that press was part of promotion of an album. My gosh. If you think WB does the best they can with 4EVER and PR DELUXE, good for you.

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you claim that I don't prove my statements just after casually tossing out the "fact" that magazines sell less in the summer without back up. Are you fucking kidding me?

As for what I do or don't know - I've worked in the music business for a decade, and I KNOW I've got a better grasp on the mechanics and the climate of industry than you do. FACT - at most major labels (Warner included) press and promotions are two different departments, with different budgets and mandates.

Everything in the medias (albums, home video, press) sells less in summer. That's why most mensual magazines do a "summer edition", in place of july and august.

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I'm sorry, but press is part of the promotion and is intimately linked with other medias, such as internet, radio and tv.

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Proof : promotionnal campaign for Planet Earth in France :

http://ecnirp.over-blog.com/article-6793243.html

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Promotionnal campaign for Lotus Flower in France :

http://www.schkopi.com/forum/archives-des-news/lotusflow3r-plan-media-francais-rentree-2009-t12260-100.html

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You really think it was free in the press ?

superharry said:

thedance said:

Susan Rogers was on tv in Holland, making promotion, telling stories about her work as engineer for Prince 1983-1987...

Maybe this was what feelUupp refers to?

Not on Dutch tv: it was on the Rhino Facebook-page for the Benelux. Tomorrow they'll put part 2 of the interview up.

Thanks for the correction

True, I saw it on Facebook, you are right, (I thought it was from tv),


To you Bart: I did not mean to sound like an irritating, "fam" to you (Bart)..

Sorry if I did....

Susan Rogers interview episode 1:

https://www.youtube.com/w...1VaBBNqGOo


^ Sometimes I have no idea how to be posting pics and videos.....

Does it work???

RODSERLING said:

TwiliteKid said:

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds - you claim that I don't prove my statements just after casually tossing out the "fact" that magazines sell less in the summer without back up. Are you fucking kidding me?

As for what I do or don't know - I've worked in the music business for a decade, and I KNOW I've got a better grasp on the mechanics and the climate of industry than you do. FACT - at most major labels (Warner included) press and promotions are two different departments, with different budgets and mandates.

Everything in the medias (albums, home video, press) sells less in summer. That's why most mensual magazines do a "summer edition", in place of july and august.

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I'm sorry, but press is part of the promotion and is intimately linked with other medias, such as internet, radio and tv.

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Proof : promotionnal campaign for Planet Earth in France :

http://ecnirp.over-blog.com/article-6793243.html

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Promotionnal campaign for Lotus Flower in France :

http://www.schkopi.com/forum/archives-des-news/lotusflow3r-plan-media-francais-rentree-2009-t12260-100.html

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You really think it was free in the press ?

You are too thick to continue arguing with.

thedance said:

Thank you, Good Sir.
(tryin to level up the org's level of nicety. I mean nicessness. I mean be nice.)

thedance said:

To you Bart: I did not mean to sound like an irritating, "fam" to you (Bart)..

Sorry if I did....

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I wasn't talkign about you, I was talking about Serpan: he posted the video on Twitter and didn't bother to provide a source.

thedance said:

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