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SupaFunkyOrgan
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Would you feel differently about Prince's music if....

it was revealed that he was high on drugs when he created his musical masterpieces?

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Reply #1 posted 04/25/17 6:09pm

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of course not, some of the greatest music ever was done by people out of their fucking minds due to either pschosis, drugs or alcohol. or even love because that goes under crazy in it's extreme form.

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Reply #2 posted 04/25/17 6:11pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

it was revealed that he was high on drugs when he created his musical masterpieces?


No

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Reply #3 posted 04/25/17 6:11pm

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The music would still be the same music that I've thoroughly enjoyed for most of my life, so I have to say, "No."

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Reply #4 posted 04/25/17 6:12pm

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It might explain a few things, but of course I don't think he was.

'This is not music, this is a trip'

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Reply #5 posted 04/25/17 6:15pm

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Actually, I would be even more in awe of him because if he was stoned out of his mind then he is an even bigger genius than I think. In all honesty though, I don't believe that he was using or on anything up until the last few months of his life. There's no way anyone could function let alone write and perform music like he did if he was strung out on drugs. No way.

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Reply #6 posted 04/25/17 6:25pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

it was revealed that he was high on drugs when he created his musical masterpieces?


Then he really would be superman.
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Reply #7 posted 04/25/17 6:25pm

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No

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Reply #8 posted 04/25/17 6:26pm

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NOPE

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Reply #9 posted 04/25/17 6:33pm

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

The music would still be the same music that I've thoroughly enjoyed for most of my life, so I have to say, "No."

Hiya Supa! wave hug

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Yeah, it wouldn't change anything for me. It would make so much sense if so because he truly was trippin when he created so much of his music. I liken it to him channeling some serious magic nod

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Reply #10 posted 04/25/17 6:33pm

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I always thought he sounded high on something...when he recorded "God" ....

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Reply #11 posted 04/25/17 6:59pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

it was revealed that he was high on drugs when he created his musical masterpieces?

No. I'm sure some of the world's best music was created under the influence. lol

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Reply #12 posted 04/25/17 7:03pm

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Nope. But I would feel different if he had been a child molester like MJ. Dude always creeped me out. Then when it all came out about his molestations, I can never listen to his music again.
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Reply #13 posted 04/25/17 7:41pm

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I would.

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Reply #14 posted 04/25/17 7:42pm

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No

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Reply #15 posted 04/25/17 8:28pm

thedoorkeeper

Hell no
I mean I was high lots of times when I listened to it so why should I have a problem
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Reply #16 posted 04/25/17 8:28pm

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He was altered when he created The Black Album and Lovesexy. Prince told one of the band members (who told me) that he (Prince) thought he saw the devil (not God, as the more popular story goes) and that's what moved him to write Lovesexy. It couples well with the Susan Rogers story about Ingrid and him asking Rogers to the studio late one night, and they were high as fuck on X. Ingrid was just bad fucking news for him.

It seems decent to think he was drinking in the mid-90s in the midst of his WB fight. We know on April 21, 1996 he had a near-fatal moment with his heart, being a bit too vegan, and drinking way too much wine. We also know he talked about his despair and drinking in "The Holy River":

U surrounded yourself with all the wrong faces
Spending your time in all the wrong places
Puttin' your faith in things that only make U cry
People say they love U when they wanna help
But how can they when U can't help yourself?
The more they say they love U, the more U just wanna die
So here we go again, the self analysis
Have another glass of Port and uh.. forget this



Great song, but it comes from a very dark place. I believe there's a small but fair amount of his records he created around times in his life when he was either drunk or high. He wasn't sloshing into the studio, but his brain was toxic and altered.

Whatever we got from that is all good, because a genius does what a genius does.


His sound in his last few albums was flat and acrylic to me - a vast contrast to the organic feel of The Rainbow Children and the pop appeal production of Musicology and 3121. Even Planet Earth has a janky live-band feel about it. I don't know if he was trying something new in recent years, or his senses were flattened to what sounded good on record by his use of opiates.

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Reply #17 posted 04/25/17 8:55pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

He was altered when he created The Black Album and Lovesexy. Prince told one of the band members (who told me) that he (Prince) thought he saw the devil (not God, as the more popular story goes) and that's what moved him to write Lovesexy. It couples well with the Susan Rogers story about Ingrid and him asking Rogers to the studio late one night, and they were high as fuck on X. Ingrid was just bad fucking news for him.

It seems decent to think he was drinking in the mid-90s in the midst of his WB fight. We know on April 21, 1996 he had a near-fatal moment with his heart, being a bit too vegan, and drinking way too much wine. We also know he talked about his despair and drinking in "The Holy River":

U surrounded yourself with all the wrong faces
Spending your time in all the wrong places
Puttin' your faith in things that only make U cry
People say they love U when they wanna help
But how can they when U can't help yourself?
The more they say they love U, the more U just wanna die
So here we go again, the self analysis
Have another glass of Port and uh.. forget this



Great song, but it comes from a very dark place. I believe there's a small but fair amount of his records he created around times in his life when he was either drunk or high. He wasn't sloshing into the studio, but his brain was toxic and altered.

Whatever we got from that is all good, because a genius does what a genius does.


His sound in his last few albums was flat and acrylic to me - a vast contrast to the organic feel of The Rainbow Children and the pop appeal production of Musicology and 3121. Even Planet Earth has a janky live-band feel about it. I don't know if he was trying something new in recent years, or his senses were flattened to what sounded good on record by his use of opiates.

yup, women are one avenue that drugs and alcohol come in, they use it to weaken a fella.

as far as his production, i thought it was fine but i've never been a stickler for production, i want good songs and he gave plenty of those. also, never noticed the holy river lyrics quite like that. Hopefully it wasn't autobiographical, i never thought of it like that.

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Reply #18 posted 04/25/17 9:28pm

morningsong

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

it was revealed that he was high on drugs when he created his musical masterpieces?



I can't quite articulate what I feel about it just yet, have thought about it though. I want to say no but that's not quite true. But I'm not repelled(?)
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Reply #19 posted 04/25/17 9:36pm

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About x.

When I had first started reading heavily into P. (*after getting more and more engrossed in his music up until [and INCLUDING] TRC) I'd looked up conditions and studies that had supposedly shown a likelihood of Pfeiffer 's syndrome associated with the use of Ecstasy. Led me to believe that either Prince or Mayte or BOTH used the stuff in spite of "THE FUTURE"

"yellow smiley offers me x
like he's drinking 7-up
Eye would rather drink six razor blades
razor blades from a paper cup


...

...
if you can't understand, Eye say 2 tough
but Eye have seen the future
and boy it's rough"

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Reply #20 posted 04/25/17 9:52pm

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2045RadicalMattZ said:

About x. When I had first started reading heavily into P. (*after getting more and more engrossed in his music up until [and INCLUDING] TRC) I'd looked up conditions and studies that had supposedly shown a likelihood of Pfeiffer 's syndrome associated with the use of Ecstasy. Led me to believe that either Prince or Mayte or BOTH used the stuff in spite of "THE FUTURE" "yellow smiley offers me x like he's drinking 7-up Eye would rather drink six razor blades razor blades from a paper cup ... ... if you can't understand, Eye say 2 tough but Eye have seen the future and boy it's rough" Don't know where y'all got your information but I think I'll be more useful and appreciative of this forum than i had been in the past. Much love for the man

where did you hear about the connection between pfeifer syndrome and exstasy?

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Reply #21 posted 04/25/17 9:54pm

PeteSilas

also, how a piece of music affect you is really pretty independent of the person who made it anyway, at least in terms of quality. I remember when i was young, I heard that Wagner was antisemitic, and i thought that was horrible but then i realized how great ride of the valkries was and it didn't make any difference in terms of how much the music affected me.

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Reply #22 posted 04/25/17 10:10pm

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2045RadicalMattZ said:

When I had first started reading heavily into P. (*after getting more and more engrossed in his music up until [and INCLUDING] TRC) I'd looked up conditions and studies that had supposedly shown a likelihood of Pfeiffer 's syndrome associated with the use of Ecstasy.


HAHAHA OMG! Pfieffer syndrome is genetic, not a byproduct of drug use.

The syndrome is genetic and, actually, goes to a chromosome level. If memory serves, there are three types of P.S. and the one Amir had was type 2 - that one is pretty bad and babies don't normally survive from it. Type 3 is just as bad, whereas Type 1 is something people can live a normal healthy life with having.

People have theorized (and I'm not totally sure I buy it but it's interesting to consider) that Prince's head was larger than his body dictated. He wasn't a pumpkin head or anything, but in ratio his head is a few degrees or % larger than what a man of 5'2/3 should normally have been. Now, we might not see that because we've watched him for decades - but there are times when you can look at him and think "Hmmmm....". However, the P.S. gene isn't passed through the sperm (it's actually random as all fuck), so even if he did carry the gene, he wouldn't have passed it to the baby.


There is a higher risk for father's of an older age, opposed to someone in their early 20s. Prince was 38. Not old, but older than Mayte's fine ass. Whether 38 contributed to it more (because the sperm mutates) we don't know. But it's not because he did ecstasy seven or eight years prior.

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Reply #23 posted 04/25/17 10:16pm

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PeteSilas said:



2045RadicalMattZ said:


About x. When I had first started reading heavily into P. (*after getting more and more engrossed in his music up until [and INCLUDING] TRC) I'd looked up conditions and studies that had supposedly shown a likelihood of Pfeiffer 's syndrome associated with the use of Ecstasy. Led me to believe that either Prince or Mayte or BOTH used the stuff in spite of "THE FUTURE" "yellow smiley offers me x like he's drinking 7-up Eye would rather drink six razor blades razor blades from a paper cup ... ... if you can't understand, Eye say 2 tough but Eye have seen the future and boy it's rough" Don't know where y'all got your information but I think I'll be more useful and appreciative of this forum than i had been in the past. Much love for the man

where did you hear about the connection between pfeifer syndrome and exstasy?


I'll have to research this now. Nothing direct or easy to look up on my phone right now. Gonna have to hit the PC. I distinctly remember it being "attempted to be linked" to recreational drug use and ecstasy use as things that alter the genetic structure of the affected parents DNA.... reading briefly it was described as "autosumnal" which I am to take indicates that it is a DOMINANT genetic trait (*can't be avoided naturally) due to genetic dysfunction. It supposedly takes its course. No telling whether ALL sperm/eggs are affected. I'll try to find the pages that stated that ecstasy was a corollary to the frequency of its occurrence

**it was suggested due to the frequency of its occurrence having occurred more often in recreational drug users*** (they say cigarettes alter your reproductive DNA) anyways it IS a rare disorder to begin with. I'm not certain that anything it's substantially "proven"
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Reply #24 posted 04/25/17 10:21pm

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TrivialPursuit said:



2045RadicalMattZ said:


When I had first started reading heavily into P. (*after getting more and more engrossed in his music up until [and INCLUDING] TRC) I'd looked up conditions and studies that had supposedly shown a likelihood of Pfeiffer 's syndrome associated with the use of Ecstasy.


HAHAHA OMG! Pfieffer syndrome is genetic, not a byproduct of drug use.

The syndrome is genetic and, actually, goes to a chromosome level. If memory serves, there are three types of P.S. and the one Amir had was type 2 - that one is pretty bad and babies don't normally survive from it. Type 3 is just as bad, whereas Type 1 is something people can live a normal healthy life with having.

People have theorized (and I'm not totally sure I buy it but it's interesting to consider) that Prince's head was larger than his body dictated. He wasn't a pumpkin head or anything, but in ratio his head is a few degrees or % larger than what a man of 5'2/3 should normally have been. Now, we might not see that because we've watched him for decades - but there are times when you can look at him and think "Hmmmm....". However, the P.S. gene isn't passed through the sperm (it's actually random as all fuck), so even if he did carry the gene, he wouldn't have passed it to the baby.



There is a higher risk for father's of an older age, opposed to someone in their early 20s. Prince was 38. Not old, but older than Mayte's fine ass. Whether 38 contributed to it more (because the sperm mutates) we don't know. But it's not because he did ecstasy seven or eight years prior.



Stay off WebMD, yo.


Noted. But like I'd indicated. It was read from a source. Not because I am a doctor. I am a doctor of love. But not a certified licensed doctor
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Reply #25 posted 04/25/17 10:26pm

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Not the drugs per se, but coupled with what is often described as his aggressive "anti-drug stance" it does complicate certain aspects of his legacy, if one is seeking to tie artist to art, rather than letting the phenomenal songs speak for themselves...

On that point, I always perceived Prince as being a bit more ambivalent regadidng drugs and their relationship to creative work...

* He did not, to my knowledge, take part in any 1980s rock star just say No ads... many stars who later admitted they were still using athe time, participated in such commercials

* the entire BLK/ Lovesexy era/also the wild punk persona in the early 80s suggested partying was in the mix

* the lyrics to SOTT do not necessarily pass personal judgment on drug use, rather they serve as almost objective reportage

* the near - confirmed EX stories in the late 80s (fairly bold move for an "anti drug" person

* in an early 1990s magazine interview, when asked, he did not deny using drugs and replied that he "valued all experiences" (paraphrasing)

* during the infamous Emancipation era Oprah interview I recall a question regarding whether drugs were part of the equation (as a musician/star) and the response almost inferred that youthful transgressions were long in the last

* almost tearful statement at 2010 BET awards that "he was pretty wild in [his] younger years and asking the younger generation not to make the same mistakes he did ... some might have considered this part of post-JW preaching, but the entire comment seemed to come from a much more raw, emotional and real place ...

While he may have fined Band members for drug/alcohol related reasons etc speaks more to his alleged controlling nature than any specific anti-drug posturing.
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Reply #26 posted 04/26/17 12:05am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

it was revealed that he was high on drugs when he created his musical masterpieces?



No.
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Reply #27 posted 04/26/17 12:27am

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Not the drugs per se, but coupled with what is often described as his aggressive "anti-drug stance" it does complicate certain aspects of his legacy, if one is seeking to tie artist to art, rather than letting the phenomenal songs speak for themselves... On that point, I always perceived Prince as being a bit more ambivalent regadidng drugs and their relationship to creative work... * He did not, to my knowledge, take part in any 1980s rock star just say No ads... many stars who later admitted they were still using athe time, participated in such commercials * the entire BLK/ Lovesexy era/also the wild punk persona in the early 80s suggested partying was in the mix * the lyrics to SOTT do not necessarily pass personal judgment on drug use, rather they serve as almost objective reportage * the near - confirmed EX stories in the late 80s (fairly bold move for an "anti drug" person * in an early 1990s magazine interview, when asked, he did not deny using drugs and replied that he "valued all experiences" (paraphrasing) * during the infamous Emancipation era Oprah interview I recall a question regarding whether drugs were part of the equation (as a musician/star) and the response almost inferred that youthful transgressions were long in the last * almost tearful statement at 2010 BET awards that "he was pretty wild in [his] younger years and asking the younger generation not to make the same mistakes he did ... some might have considered this part of post-JW preaching, but the entire comment seemed to come from a much more raw, emotional and real place ... While he may have fined Band members for drug/alcohol related reasons etc speaks more to his alleged controlling nature than any specific anti-drug posturing.

ya, i could see that, meaning how you could see hypocrisy but great music is still great music. I can only see those kinds of things changing how you feel about the person, not the music. And how do we even know if he was a hypocrite, if so how much? There have been many, many stories that people have said Prince wouldn't have anything to do with the wild partying, going on for years, at least in terms of marijuana, when he'd be somewhere, he'd just not partake, according to pepe willie and Arsenio Hall and many, many others. I do believe that he took something during the black album crisis but that seems to be an anomaly. And one more thing, he hadn't really taken a hardline stance against drugs since the mid 80's, since that time, there was plenty of rumour and speculation, either from associates or in his own songs that he was experimenting.

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Reply #28 posted 04/26/17 12:29am

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TrivialPursuit said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

When I had first started reading heavily into P. (*after getting more and more engrossed in his music up until [and INCLUDING] TRC) I'd looked up conditions and studies that had supposedly shown a likelihood of Pfeiffer 's syndrome associated with the use of Ecstasy.


HAHAHA OMG! Pfieffer syndrome is genetic, not a byproduct of drug use.

The syndrome is genetic and, actually, goes to a chromosome level. If memory serves, there are three types of P.S. and the one Amir had was type 2 - that one is pretty bad and babies don't normally survive from it. Type 3 is just as bad, whereas Type 1 is something people can live a normal healthy life with having.

People have theorized (and I'm not totally sure I buy it but it's interesting to consider) that Prince's head was larger than his body dictated. He wasn't a pumpkin head or anything, but in ratio his head is a few degrees or % larger than what a man of 5'2/3 should normally have been. Now, we might not see that because we've watched him for decades - but there are times when you can look at him and think "Hmmmm....". However, the P.S. gene isn't passed through the sperm (it's actually random as all fuck), so even if he did carry the gene, he wouldn't have passed it to the baby.


There is a higher risk for father's of an older age, opposed to someone in their early 20s. Prince was 38. Not old, but older than Mayte's fine ass. Whether 38 contributed to it more (because the sperm mutates) we don't know. But it's not because he did ecstasy seven or eight years prior.

Stay off WebMD, yo.

when rumours of pfiefers leaked out not long after the birth, some british rag did point out that Prince was probably the carrier because of his out of proportion head. I never thought much about his head being big but it's true, my ma once claimed she loved Prince's Parade era haircut because the Purple Rain Haircut made it look like his head was so much bigger than the rest of his body. People did notice.

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Reply #29 posted 04/26/17 2:52am

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No. Many songs from various musicians/bands I love seem to have been written under the influence.

[Edited 4/26/17 2:53am]

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