anangellooksdown said:

precioux said:

Call me jaded or whatever, but as far as Chazz goes, I find his behavior to be more of an attention-seeking thing than anything else. He's liking all that attention he is getting.

And if we are going to talk about severe pain as a reason to commit suicide, then I'm gonna redirect and say it really should be viewed as making a right to die decision. MN is not a right to die state.

Mumio said:

anangellooksdown said:

anangellooksdown said:

Mumio said:

anangellooksdown said:

precioux said:

Again, I'm not referencing the "reports", I'm referencing the warrant which specifically stated Prince refused medical treatment as per the Dr. in Moline-irregardless of how much time he actually spent in the hospital. From what has been documented it can take hours just to recover from a Narcan shot. That being said, JH stated Prince did everything the Dr. asked him to, yet we know he left AMA. This leads me to question the validity of any of her statements, was she trying to do "damage control" at that point?

I don't question Judith and with all due respect, I think it's ridiculous to blame this young lady. It's a waste of time. I have however always, from the very beginning, greatly questioned the hospital in Moline, whose name was well-hidden. Hospital systems have HUGE money and people who are experts at covering their butts. I noticed it, too. I know how people in that industry can behave, and I am pissed that he was refused a private room. I want to know if they schooled him properly on the drugs and what could happen if he took more, or gave him any real direction or information that was sufficient. What exactly did they tell him? I want to see what his release papers said. They should've been clear with him about what to do and what not to do. Of course they had a professional tell the investigators that Prince refused medical treatment. What treatment? Yeah, he could've stayed longer, but did they did they cop an attitude or not be thorough because he left against Drs orders? Now y'all know what I'm talkin' about too! Because that's what they do! It's common for people to want to not sit in a hospital bed for a whole day. I just hope these people were thorough...have those specifics been checked? The language in the warrant was way too general for me.

The hospital refuted the claim that they did not arrange for a private room for him. That makes no sense to me. He was a in serious state and the hospital folk had to know it would be chaos if he had stayed in a non private room. Besides, how busy could they have been, it's only a small place, from what I've gathered.

Prince did not want to stay, to avoid further speculation, thus putting his life even more at risk. That was the crucial point in this whole mess. Had he stayed... most likely he would still be alive today.

This has nothing to do with the Fentanyl Prince ingested, but there is a new, designer Fentanyl version: Furanyl Fentanyl, which is deadly to the touch. I was reading about it this morning.

anangellooksdown said:

precioux said:

Again, I'm not referencing the "reports", I'm referencing the warrant which specifically stated Prince refused medical treatment as per the Dr. in Moline-irregardless of how much time he actually spent in the hospital. From what has been documented it can take hours just to recover from a Narcan shot. That being said, JH stated Prince did everything the Dr. asked him to, yet we know he left AMA. This leads me to question the validity of any of her statements, was she trying to do "damage control" at that point?

I don't question Judith and with all due respect, I think it's ridiculous to blame this young lady. It's a waste of time. I have however always, from the very beginning, greatly questioned the hospital in Moline, whose name was well-hidden. Hospital systems have HUGE money and people who are experts at covering their butts. I noticed it, too. I know how people in that industry can behave, and I am pissed that he was refused a private room. I want to know if they schooled him properly on the drugs and what could happen if he took more, or gave him any real direction or information that was sufficient. What exactly did they tell him? I want to see what his release papers said. They should've been clear with him about what to do and what not to do. Of course they had a professional tell the investigators that Prince refused medical treatment. What treatment? Yeah, he could've stayed longer, but did they did they cop an attitude or not be thorough because he left against Drs orders? Now y'all know what I'm talkin' about too! Because that's what they do! It's common for people to want to not sit in a hospital bed for a whole day. I just hope these people were thorough...have those specifics been checked? The language in the warrant was way too general for me.

I would believe Judith over TMZ. I think a lot of people are forgeting that the refusing help in Moline story came from TMZ. It is easy to find flight records that can verify when he left Moline. As far as not staying in Moline why would he stay in a dinky hospital if he was already seeing Dr. S for withdrawlas and some of the best medical facilities are in Minnesota?

His mistake was not going to get additional medical help the minute he got back to Minneapolis instead of waiting the following week however, will still have no idea what he actually did that week and i guess we never will since the info is locked inside KJ's vault in his head.

precioux said:

Mumio said:

Call me jaded or whatever, but as far as Chazz goes, I find his behavior to be more of an attention-seeking thing than anything else. He's liking all that attention he is getting.

And if we are going to talk about severe pain as a reason to commit suicide, then I'm gonna redirect and say it really should be viewed as making a right to die decision. MN is not a right to die state.

Addressing your comments on Chazz-I agree wholeheartedly with you!! If Prince were alive to see this, he would be past embarrassed that this troll is coming out of the woodwork to lay claim as a relative...btw, is the the cousin he was referring to in SOTT who was "doing horse...it's June"? Prince rid himself of this fool a LONG time ago.smdh

I checked out Chazz's wife Facebook page and she is saying that Chazz has gone to the Carver County Sheriff's department with his concerns. Remember he is not going to inherit anything and outside of Minneapolis he is not going to get famous. He is not the relative trying to get a reality show.

This family might make the Jacksons look good.

1Sasha said:

This family might make the Jacksons look good.

Disturbing sad and scary all rolled into one.

MMJas said:

laurarichardson said:

anangellooksdown said:

precioux said: I don't question Judith and with all due respect, I think it's ridiculous to blame this young lady. It's a waste of time. I have however always, from the very beginning, greatly questioned the hospital in Moline, whose name was well-hidden. Hospital systems have HUGE money and people who are experts at covering their butts. I noticed it, too. I know how people in that industry can behave, and I am pissed that he was refused a private room. I want to know if they schooled him properly on the drugs and what could happen if he took more, or gave him any real direction or information that was sufficient. What exactly did they tell him? I want to see what his release papers said. They should've been clear with him about what to do and what not to do. Of course they had a professional tell the investigators that Prince refused medical treatment. What treatment? Yeah, he could've stayed longer, but did they did they cop an attitude or not be thorough because he left against Drs orders? Now y'all know what I'm talkin' about too! Because that's what they do! It's common for people to want to not sit in a hospital bed for a whole day. I just hope these people were thorough...have those specifics been checked? The language in the warrant was way too general for me.

I would believe Judith over TMZ. I think a lot of people are forgeting that the refusing help in Moline story came from TMZ. It is easy to find flight records that can verify when he left Moline. As far as not staying in Moline why would he stay in a dinky hospital if he was already seeing Dr. S for withdrawlas and some of the best medical facilities are in Minnesota?

His mistake was not going to get additional medical help the minute he got back to Minneapolis instead of waiting the following week however, will still have no idea what he actually did that week and i guess we never will since the info is locked inside KJ's vault in his head.

Refusing help was in the warrant as per Dr. in Moline who stated P had "suffered an opiate overdose and refused medical treatment". I cited it in a previous post. TMZ may have reported on it, but I'm not posting information from reports, rather from the warrants. Thanks

precioux said:

laurarichardson said:

I would believe Judith over TMZ. I think a lot of people are forgeting that the refusing help in Moline story came from TMZ. It is easy to find flight records that can verify when he left Moline. As far as not staying in Moline why would he stay in a dinky hospital if he was already seeing Dr. S for withdrawlas and some of the best medical facilities are in Minnesota?

His mistake was not going to get additional medical help the minute he got back to Minneapolis instead of waiting the following week however, will still have no idea what he actually did that week and i guess we never will since the info is locked inside KJ's vault in his head.

Refusing help was in the warrant as per Dr. in Moline who stated P had "suffered an opiate overdose and refused medical treatment". I cited it in a previous post. TMZ may have reported on it, but I'm not posting information from reports, rather from the warrants. Thanks

But once again why he get help in Moline if he was seeing Dr. S? Why would Prince stay in a dinky hospital in Moline which would not have been able to handle the swarm of tabloid reporters that would have deseneded on the hospital we already know someone at the hospital ran their mouth to TMZ.

Prince's mistake was not going into the hospital when got back to Minneapolis of course we have no idea what he was doing the week before he died. He may have gone to a hospital under an assumed name we just do not know.

We don't know why he was at the hospital on the 20th in Minneapolis, do we? If he was to give blood only, he could have done that at the doctor's office.

anangellooksdown said:

MMJas said:

He was at TRINITY HOSPITAL in Moline for 9.5 or 10 hours. He was refused a private room. They could've arranged something. I always felt that the person at the hospital who had the POWER to decide that night, copped an attitude like, "Who does this guy think he is" or "We don't give special treatment" - and wouldn't do it. This is the 1st or 2nd article that came up when I Googled "Prince left Moline", just looking for the time frame. Look at how many results pop up with people saying exactly what I'm saying. We forget with time what we felt in the beginning! Here's the 2nd result: http://www.breitbart.com/...ng-moline/

Thanks for the article. It did a really great timeline and summary.

1Sasha said:

We don't know why he was at the hospital on the 20th in Minneapolis, do we? If he was to give blood only, he could have done that at the doctor's office.

Of course he could have and it does not take no day to run a blood test especially if there is concern about their health being grave. I also think it would make no sense to give him a blood test on the 20th to see if he could receive treatment from Andrew the next day if Prince was not in the hospital being monitored.

It does not make any sense at all and I am convinced those test on the 20th were for more than his treatment for withdrawals. Either he was using or he was not using no reason to go to the doctor to be told he was addicted to these meds and having a hard time withdrawing.

laurarichardson said:

anangellooksdown said:

precioux said: I don't question Judith and with all due respect, I think it's ridiculous to blame this young lady. It's a waste of time. I have however always, from the very beginning, greatly questioned the hospital in Moline, whose name was well-hidden. Hospital systems have HUGE money and people who are experts at covering their butts. I noticed it, too. I know how people in that industry can behave, and I am pissed that he was refused a private room. I want to know if they schooled him properly on the drugs and what could happen if he took more, or gave him any real direction or information that was sufficient. What exactly did they tell him? I want to see what his release papers said. They should've been clear with him about what to do and what not to do. Of course they had a professional tell the investigators that Prince refused medical treatment. What treatment? Yeah, he could've stayed longer, but did they did they cop an attitude or not be thorough because he left against Drs orders? Now y'all know what I'm talkin' about too! Because that's what they do! It's common for people to want to not sit in a hospital bed for a whole day. I just hope these people were thorough...have those specifics been checked? The language in the warrant was way too general for me.

I would believe Judith over TMZ. I think a lot of people are forgeting that the refusing help in Moline story came from TMZ. It is easy to find flight records that can verify when he left Moline. As far as not staying in Moline why would he stay in a dinky hospital if he was already seeing Dr. S for withdrawlas and some of the best medical facilities are in Minnesota?

His mistake was not going to get additional medical help the minute he got back to Minneapolis instead of waiting the following week however, will still have no idea what he actually did that week and i guess we never will since the info is locked inside KJ's vault in his head.

Bingo!

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Mumio said: Addressing your comments on Chazz-I agree wholeheartedly with you!! If Prince were alive to see this, he would be past embarrassed that this troll is coming out of the woodwork to lay claim as a relative...btw, is the the cousin he was referring to in SOTT who was "doing horse...it's June"? Prince rid himself of this fool a LONG time ago.smdh

I checked out Chazz's wife Facebook page and she is saying that Chazz has gone to the Carver County Sheriff's department with his concerns. Remember he is not going to inherit anything and outside of Minneapolis he is not going to get famous. He is not the relative trying to get a reality show.

And I applaud him for that...I realize he is not entitled to any inheritance, it's just that he was pretty much ostracized from P's life a long time ago and acting like the long lost concerned relative after the fact is rather embarassing. Even if he wanted to help Prince when this was going on, Prince wouldn't have allowed Chazz within 15 feet of him, I'm pretty sure. Don't even get me started on the reality show...unless it's a question and answer for a few espisodes, allowing the fans to ask direct questions and we get to the truth (yeah, right)...it's going to be the laughing stock of America.

[Edited 5/5/17 8:52am]

laurarichardson said:

precioux said:

Refusing help was in the warrant as per Dr. in Moline who stated P had "suffered an opiate overdose and refused medical treatment". I cited it in a previous post. TMZ may have reported on it, but I'm not posting information from reports, rather from the warrants. Thanks

But once again why he get help in Moline if he was seeing Dr. S? Why would Prince stay in a dinky hospital in Moline which would not have been able to handle the swarm of tabloid reporters that would have deseneded on the hospital we already know someone at the hospital ran their mouth to TMZ.

Prince's mistake was not going into the hospital when got back to Minneapolis of course we have no idea what he was doing the week before he died. He may have gone to a hospital under an assumed name we just do not know.

I totally agree with you on this, and I don't think for a second that P would've stayed regardless, I don't think anyone would have...obviously someone dropped the ball after the fact. the only reason I brought up Prince refusing medical treatment in the 1st place was because of JH comments which contradicted the warrant....it made me pause and question everything she said...then I started thinking...hmmm...wasn't she close to MJ as well? Just putting my thoughts out there, nothing to lay blame on anyone, just thinking out loud.

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

We don't know why he was at the hospital on the 20th in Minneapolis, do we? If he was to give blood only, he could have done that at the doctor's office.

Of course he could have and it does not take no day to run a blood test especially if there is concern about their health being grave. I also think it would make no sense to give him a blood test on the 20th to see if he could receive treatment from Andrew the next day if Prince was not in the hospital being monitored.

It does not make any sense at all and I am convinced those test on the 20th were for more than his treatment for withdrawals. Either he was using or he was not using no reason to go to the doctor to be told he was addicted to these meds and having a hard time withdrawing.

1. I thought he was in there to receive fluids? Not sure, thought I read that somewhere

2. I agree, those tests were not to "figure out whether he was on drugs", something was wrong and I believe he was trying to figure out what the hell was going on....but then to die before the tests arrive?? That was so unsettling, it looked fishy, just that by itself

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