purplerabbithole said:

I am kind of disturbed by a picture I just saw of Mayte with her mom on her instagram page. Her mom is wearing the Prince symbol. Didn't she badmouth Prince on that Hollywood Ex's show...saying something like she respected him as an artist but thought he wasn't a good husband for her daughter and too controlling. I wanna say--- Really, talk about hypocrisy. This lady sent a tape to Prince of her daughter in the first place, allowed him guardianship, didn't seem to speak against the marriage, appeared on the same Oprah show that her daughter was supposedly forced to be on (she wasn't married to him or under contract--why was she there?) and now is wearing his symbol. And wasn't there some story about her not paying rent on some apartment Prince got for her? She sure didn't mind his controlling his daughter earlier on.

I thought Prince didn't make sense sometimes. Either this women had extremely mixed feelings about her son in law or she is kind of full of shit.

1contessa said:

No she didn't, because Prince wouldn't have allowed it, and would have fought it tooth and nail, if it had anything to do with him and his life. Why do you think she never wrote a book while he was alive? Some say that she didn't speak much about Prince or their life together on the show Hollywood Exes, do you really believe that it was because she just didn't want to? Heck no, I'll bet Prince had something to do about that, and that's why she didn't speak much about him or their marriage on the show. We all know that Prince didn't play when it came to certain things, and he would sue you in a heartbeat if he didn't like something. Mayte knows that Prince is dead now, and there's nothing he can do, so that's why she wrote a book now, well that, and let's face it, money.

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That's what I am talking about.

I am wondering how did Prince get caught up in some bullshit like this to begin with.

As for Mayte Garcia....

I could understand the book but she's releasing it at this time when thoughts are headed back to April 21,2016. That's a strategic release.

If you give a damn about a person release the book in a time that is not associated with his death or birth.

PennyPurple said:

He burnt up the baby's clothes too?

*fan-fiction inserted here*

morningsong said:

PennyPurple said:

He burnt up the baby's clothes too?

*fan-fiction inserted here*

Let's hope it's fan fiction................or he might not have any fans left.

luvgirl said:

wonder505 said:

I feel that the "kids" know more about Prince than you think they do. And AGAIN I dont see why we needed to know certain graphic details about his son to appreciate his music. I mean, is that what it really takes to maintain legacy? .

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that's the problem i have, it's written like a scene out of a horror movie, "then he ever so slowly and gently lifted the baby's head and when he saw it, the smile turned into a look of pure horror".

Bruce Springsteen penned his bio, he describes his fathers death scene but he does it tenderly and touchingly. I've been through a couple of those and they aren't pretty but when you love someone, you even love whatever they become, every bit of it. Bruce's writing showed that. Also, another thing bruce did that was nice, he mentioned and hinted at problems in his band but he only went so far as to what the problems were and he was very respectful to the people in the band and wouldn't really mention who the troublemakers were. Of course i'd like to know but i also liked how classy he kept it. all i can do is guess and infer some of the things he said.

muleFunk said:

purplerabbithole said:

I am kind of disturbed by a picture I just saw of Mayte with her mom on her instagram page. Her mom is wearing the Prince symbol. Didn't she badmouth Prince on that Hollywood Ex's show...saying something like she respected him as an artist but thought he wasn't a good husband for her daughter and too controlling. I wanna say--- Really, talk about hypocrisy. This lady sent a tape to Prince of her daughter in the first place, allowed him guardianship, didn't seem to speak against the marriage, appeared on the same Oprah show that her daughter was supposedly forced to be on (she wasn't married to him or under contract--why was she there?) and now is wearing his symbol. And wasn't there some story about her not paying rent on some apartment Prince got for her? She sure didn't mind his controlling his daughter earlier on.

I thought Prince didn't make sense sometimes. Either this women had extremely mixed feelings about her son in law or she is kind of full of shit.

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That's what I am talking about.

I am wondering how did Prince get caught up in some bullshit like this to begin with.

As for Mayte Garcia....

I could understand the book but she's releasing it at this time when thoughts are headed back to April 21,2016. That's a strategic release.

If you give a damn about a person release the book in a time that is not associated with his death or birth.

showbiz is full of crazyness, and the male ego goes crazy when it has no limits, it just does. The ego tells a man that he has no limits and no bounds, it's a pubescent fantasy but people who are stars never have to grow out of that. Nearly all of them have done the same things.

BillieBalloon said:

annalizer said:

cindyt said:

BillieBalloon said:

He asked his assitant to burn the babys ashes. Who was the assistant at that time? Maybe it's time she speaks out.

morningsong said:

Both extremes of this debate are nutty as heck.

PennyPurple said:

morningsong said:

*fan-fiction inserted here*

Let's hope it's fan fiction................or he might not have any fans left.

when random people show up with these over-the-top stories you gotta go...

Lovejunky said:

BillieBalloon said:

PeteSilas said: The press have cherry picked quotes from the book and are busy right now tarnishing his reputation, people are calling him vile things. So yeah...what good did it do? This man who gave so much. He had faullts, im not blind to that, but raking over a dead mans bones the way they are? Where are his fans?

Heres one...

Enduring the horrible Media slaughter and bracing myself becasue its only beginning....and it hurts so much to see Prince dishonoured in any way ...and its happenening before our eyes.

But the shit wont stick.

Prince was GOOD

time will prove that...

I told everyone last summer that every time a Prince anniversary of some sorts or some positive news there will be a leak or something derogatory appear to discredit him.

It's happened at each turn and will again.

PeteSilas said:

ladygirl99 said:

As a writer myself who once want have a dream of making a comfortable rich as a writer and drinking tequilas off my success, I can't see of Mayte is going to make huge money of this book, probably just barely going to be enough to pay her mortgage and don't she lives in LA, one of the expensive cities in the world. She have to split profits with the publisher, her agent, maybe lawyer, etc. Royalities are all time low. Book industry is going some changes due to technology. So I think this outrageous is ridiculous.

ya, try telling that to someone who gets dollar signs in their eyes, it doesn't work. Money for nothing? you mean they don't have to do real labor? Hell, it'll happen every time. I've heard writers don't make much but I wouldn't know, I heard Ayn Rand had to be heavily cajoled into taking medicaid after talking all that shit about "moochers" and people sucking off the system her whole life.Doctors had to explain to her that writers don't have the money to pay for healthcare. God has a strange sense of humor/irony.

Mayte could used a ghostwriter. A lot of celebrities use ghostwriters to write their books. If someone wants to get into the writing industry as a writer, being a ghostwriter is where it at. A person might sign away their rights and might or might see their name in a book (like mystery author James Patterson he uses a ghostwriter but he often gives his ghostwriters credit) but the income can be steady if your material is good.

That is why I was thinking, 'I wish that was true' when people are saying she is cashing in and is going to make money as if she is going to make millions. She would be lucky if she get part-time income off this book after the publisher, agent, lawyer, possibly ghostwriter, and Uncle Sam gets their cut.

Yeah same happened to author Zora Neale Hurston. She shared Ayn's libertarian views but she also had to use goverment assistance toward the end of her life and died so broke that her family couldnt get a tombstone (Alice Walker had to buy her tombstone years later after she discovered her writings).

morningsong said:

Was it known befor this that he "adopted" her at 17? Has this been confirmed someplace? Also I'm thinking there is no way she would let that happen to her own daughter, how is she not pissed at her mother??

PennyPurple said:

BillieBalloon said:

morningsong said:

when random people show up with these over-the-top stories you gotta go...

Its in the book.

I'll wait for the book to get the actual context of what is being said, because there were things that were said here about that article until when I read the article it was actually saying something else, ie, people like to put that extra bit of spin for excitement.

goncrazy said:

Was it known befor this that he "adopted" her at 17? Has this been confirmed someplace? Also I'm thinking there is no way she would let that happen to her own daughter, how is she not pissed at her mother??

If you listen to I Wanna Melt With U and for the most part the whole storyline of The Lovesymbol Album falls in line with this.

I know I am going to come off insensitive and gets slaughtered for this. But its all in one's perspective.

I hate cremation. SO really I don't see the difference between burning "ashes" and cremation.

Ashes can't substitute for a lost one. I would rather them burn Prince's ashes or spread them in Lake Minnetonka (sic) in a respectable way than keep them on display in a box or on a mantlepiece. Urns are disturbing and morbid to me. They remind me of death, not life; of the physical remains of someone and not their spirit/personality. I loved my grandfather and often talk about him, but I haven't been to his gravesite since he died and have no plans to do so. It doesn't mean I don't love him.

Did Prince also destroy the recordings of his son's heartbeat from that song. Did he refuse to admit the son even existed when asked in private life or did he call the son a horror show freak? My point being that the way in which Prince privately showed or didn't show reverence for his son is unknowable without a more recent insider to tell us. Maybe Manuela will also write a book.

His reverence for his son is in his song Come Back--his son is a spirit in that song waiting to come back in physical form (through reincarnation in the next pregnancy presumably) and not a bunch of ashes. Ashes remind you of death. A song sung directly to a lost loved one reminds you that their presense is never gone...even if reminders of their physical decay are no longer apparent. You realize that neither mayte nor Prince probably kept pictures of this baby. How do you honor a baby through pictures if their body was like a tortureous prison and the pictures are just reminders of the baby suffering. The baby never wore the baby clothes (a nursery and baby clothes are more of a reminder of what could have been.) When Prince showed the nursery in Oprah, he was still buying that he could have other children. Obviously, it became apparent he couldn't. Why keep that stuff. However, i noticed that his Turks and Caico's home has a swing set in it and Paisley I believe at one point or another did as well.

Sidenote...Questlove once tweeted that Prince was fascinated by his first name (Ahmir) and told him it meant Prince in Arabic. Gee, I wonder why Prince liked talking about the roots of Questlove's first name.

PennyPurple said:

purplerabbithole said:

You can't burn ashes. They were already burnt. He could burn the urn I guess. By the way, why didn't she have the ashes. I am sure a judge would have granted them to the mother. PLus, apparently, Prince had them for quite some time if that were the case.

Maybe, I am insensitive but I doubt Prince put much stock in ashes. He was too much into spiritual mumbo jumbo. I bet he burnt the house and everything in it like Manuela stated (not specifically the ashes). And I bet Manuela told Mayte.

Whether or not Prince put much stock in ashes, if he really did this..... this is really, really bad. You just don't do something like this. I don't care who you are.

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they also leave out the fact that if it did happen, it would have been years after both her and the baby were gone.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Yes it's all over the news, leading with the headline prince had his sons ashes burned...and they forgot to add "she thinks"

ladygirl99 said:

PeteSilas said:

ya, try telling that to someone who gets dollar signs in their eyes, it doesn't work. Money for nothing? you mean they don't have to do real labor? Hell, it'll happen every time. I've heard writers don't make much but I wouldn't know, I heard Ayn Rand had to be heavily cajoled into taking medicaid after talking all that shit about "moochers" and people sucking off the system her whole life.Doctors had to explain to her that writers don't have the money to pay for healthcare. God has a strange sense of humor/irony.

Mayte could used a ghostwriter. A lot of celebrities use ghostwriters to write their books. If someone wants to get into the writing industry as a writer, being a ghostwriter is where it at. A person might sign away their rights and might or might see their name in a book (like mystery author James Patterson he uses a ghostwriter but he often gives his ghostwriters credit) but the income can be steady if your material is good.

That is why I was thinking, 'I wish that was true' when people are saying she is cashing in and is going to make money as if she is going to make millions. She would be lucky if she get part-time income off this book after the publisher, agent, lawyer, possibly ghostwriter, and Uncle Sam gets their cut.

Yeah same happened to author Zora Neale Hurston. She shared Ayn's libertarian views but she also had to use goverment assistance toward the end of her life and died so broke that her family couldnt get a tombstone (Alice Walker had to buy her tombstone years later after she discovered her writings).

ya, it's not wealth but it's enough money for people to go through the trouble of writing books. and i'm positive she had a ghostwriter, a book is a huge project and she never did come across as being on the dean's list if you know what i mean.

PennyPurple said:

He asked his assitant to burn the babys ashes. Who was the assistant at that time? Maybe it's time she speaks out.

how do you burn ashes? that's retarded in itself.

LOVESYMBOLNUMBER2 said:

Purplebflogirl said:

Several things stand out to me after reading the excerpts.. Prince's faith was amazingly strong. An amino would not of made a difference in the child's condition..Some idiots will probably think he was wrong not to agree to it. Her parents basically gave her to Prince at 17.He didn't touch her until she was 19.He was a gentleman.

This is how I see it too...

Also by not having the Amnio, Prince avoided having to make a decision that many people of faith would not want to make.

The so called advancement of Modern medicine, gives us the option of Killing our babies in the womb...Prince instead fully surrendred to Gods will...WOW....

PeteSilas said:

kingricefan said:

I'm picking up lots of anger in this thread. Nasty name calling and throwing shade.

really sherlock? what makes you think that?

My name isn't Sherlock. This is exactly what I mean by my statement earlier. There's so much anger and discord here at prince.org. Seriously.

PennyPurple said:

He asked his assitant to burn the babys ashes. Who was the assistant at that time? Maybe it's time she speaks out.

The Mojica Sisters. Arlene was her personal assistant, and Erlene was her (I believe) nanny. THey're the ones that sold the story to tabloids in '96-'97. Prince and Mayte then filed restraining orders against them.

kingricefan said:

PeteSilas said:

really sherlock? what makes you think that?

My name isn't Sherlock. This is exactly what I mean by my statement earlier. There's so much anger and discord here at prince.org. Seriously.

haha, it was supposed to be funny you big rice boy.

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muleFunk said:

goncrazy said:

Was it known befor this that he "adopted" her at 17? Has this been confirmed someplace? Also I'm thinking there is no way she would let that happen to her own daughter, how is she not pissed at her mother??

If you listen to I Wanna Melt With U and for the most part the whole storyline of The Lovesymbol Album falls in line with this.

I get that the song is about her, but I guess I didn't know that he was her guardian. I find that so strange that her parents would just hand her over like a piece of property.