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Reply #60 posted 01/14/17 5:01pm

XxAxX

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LBrent said:

eek

Intellectually, we all know this stuff is possible, but hearing this first hand...Y'all are seriously freaking me out.

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not fun to know about, but good to be aware:

https://climateviewer.com/2014/01/18/nsa-tempest-attack-can-remotely-view-computer-cellphone-screen-using-radio-waves/

the old joke about lining one's home using tinfoil is funny, and used to be a joke on people who were concerned about security, but the funniest part is it actually works. it works on wallets too, creating a barrier against those who use handheld scanners to get credit card data remotely from passersby (yes this is real, google it). these days, one can buy purses that are lined with material which block such transmissions. again, tinfoil also works.

tinfoil isn't very attractive, but turning your computer room into a faraday cage is really not a bad idea, one can use copper wires, etc. - anything that blocks or diverts electromagnetic transmissions - and there are multiple ways to achieve that if you think someone is spying on you.

there have been reports of people who have been spied on in their own homes through wireless or other 'smart' devices; the so-called dark web is littered with channels for sale of 'slaves', people who are being monitored remotely without being aware of this.

these articles are from a few years ago, and tech has advanced since then...

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/03/rat-breeders-meet-the-men-who-spy-on-women-through-their-webcams/

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/spying-webcam-slaves

privacy is a thing of the past for most of us who live on the grid. and remember, once your computer itself is comprised, no one needs to invade or spy on your home to know what you're doing and when. your computer can be used against you to report everything, using your own web camera, microphone, or even keystrokes. this tech is for sale on the internet for not very much money, and it is apparently very easy to use.

not meaning to jack the thread but it's good to be aware of this isht in general

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Reply #61 posted 01/15/17 4:06am

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9 months in and only now they contact the people that called PP on that day? Could this have been a friend messing with you? It just seems so strange, to ask such important things on the phone. I have no idea how the Police work in the USA, but perhaps that's not common pratice?

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Reply #62 posted 01/15/17 10:06am

precioux

MMJas said:

9 months in and only now they contact the people that called PP on that day? Could this have been a friend messing with you? It just seems so strange, to ask such important things on the phone. I have no idea how the Police work in the USA, but perhaps that's not common pratice?




"9 months in...", my thoughts exactly! THE only solice in this is that they seem to actually be working on the case...if you'd call it that.

And no, this was not a prank by justme2u's friends. He/she is scared shitless right now, notice the OP is no longer replying on this thread
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Reply #63 posted 01/15/17 10:41am

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Do you realize HOW MANY PEOPLE probably called PP that day? Probably several thousand. Of /course/ it took them nine months to get to the OP -- there's likely a very large volume of calls to get through and check out. And they're probably checking every single one.

And they aren't always going to come to your house just for a phone call; I mean, really, they probably don't think OP did anything particularly suspicious, but they have to check anyway. Geez, calm the fuck down, they aren't trying to get into her entire life, they just wanted to confirm that this particular person didn't do anything to Prince.

I mean, come on, I had the FBI ask me about a guy whose dogs I was walking. Turns out the guy was into money laundering. I didn't know that, but damn straight I wasn't going to be all hedgy about why I was there. THAT would have been more interesting than offering to take them up and open the damn door for them, which they didn't want me to do, just to confirm whether they were there or not for them. To this day, I have no idea whether the guy was there on that particular day, but it would NOT have been smart to be a dick to two federal agents for no reason.

Stop being paranoid. Sometimes they really are just checking boxes, folks. Relax.

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Reply #64 posted 01/15/17 12:07pm

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laytonian said:

precioux said:

Thanks for that, Laytonian...you are referencing a cell phone here. My original question was in reference to having the capability to trace an incoming call to PP's land line if it did not connect. I don't think the same applies. If, in fact it does, PLEASE correct me!

Peace



It is. Phone calls are routed through the same switching centers whether they are to/from a landline or cellphone. Everything leaves a trace.
If you have VOIP, your trace is also your IP address, which would link you to your other online activities.

Peace and Love 4 One Another[/quote]

And even if you think you don't have VOIP - you may. When VOIP tech was arriving in the late 90s, the jump from VOIP to landlines was performed by expensive server hops. Have to imagine it's all VOIP by now, even if we don't know it, with the occasional hop. So - it's all traceable with digital IDs.
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Reply #65 posted 01/15/17 12:23pm

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You don't have to be a jerk to federal agents. They can certainly ask. But being party to an investigation without probable cause is at the heart of 4th Amendment and Privacy:
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Reply #66 posted 01/15/17 12:27pm

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If the agent saw that the poster also called electric fetus, don't they have to have a warrant to look at your phone records? And do you have to be notified of the warrant?

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Reply #67 posted 01/15/17 12:52pm

justme2u

SpookyNopetopus said:

Do you realize HOW MANY PEOPLE probably called PP that day? Probably several thousand. Of /course/ it took them nine months to get to the OP -- there's likely a very large volume of calls to get through and check out. And they're probably checking every single one.



And they aren't always going to come to your house just for a phone call; I mean, really, they probably don't think OP did anything particularly suspicious, but they have to check anyway. Geez, calm the fuck down, they aren't trying to get into her entire life, they just wanted to confirm that this particular person didn't do anything to Prince.



I mean, come on, I had the FBI ask me about a guy whose dogs I was walking. Turns out the guy was into money laundering. I didn't know that, but damn straight I wasn't going to be all hedgy about why I was there. THAT would have been more interesting than offering to take them up and open the damn door for them, which they didn't want me to do, just to confirm whether they were there or not for them. To this day, I have no idea whether the guy was there on that particular day, but it would NOT have been smart to be a dick to two federal agents for no reason.



Stop being paranoid. Sometimes they really are just checking boxes, folks. Relax.




Thanks everyone for your input. Could woulda shoulda. I've never ever been approached by a federal police agency before in this type of situation. Had I read this thread before I got the call I may have responded to the call differently. I have been thinking of calling the agent back on Tuesday to ask how he got my info but I feel at this point I should leave the sleeping dog lie.
And thank you spooky I feel a little better after your comment. Not by much but a little better. And thanks precioux. I don't know you but you've been very nice.
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Reply #68 posted 01/15/17 12:54pm

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Asking you why you called a place where somebody died isn't exactly unreasonable search. Asking why she called Electric Fetus? Maybe. Maybe not. It's not like she can't hit that number and ask why they asked about that -- they'd have to tell her.

My GUESS is it's fairly known Prince went to Electric Fetus a lot, so technically if she were a dealer, did she meet him there -- but still, she can be like WHY DID YOU ASK.

It still doesn't rise to the level of hysteria I'm seeing here.

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Reply #69 posted 01/15/17 1:59pm

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SpookyNopetopus said:

Asking you why you called a place where somebody died isn't exactly unreasonable search. Asking why she called Electric Fetus? Maybe. Maybe not. It's not like she can't hit that number and ask why they asked about that -- they'd have to tell her.

My GUESS is it's fairly known Prince went to Electric Fetus a lot, so technically if she were a dealer, did she meet him there -- but still, she can be like WHY DID YOU ASK.

It still doesn't rise to the level of hysteria I'm seeing here.

They don't "have " to tell anybody anything. I am glad the OP is leaving it be for now.

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Reply #70 posted 01/15/17 6:25pm

PeteSilas

well, if this is true, at least their still working on it.

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Reply #71 posted 01/16/17 9:39am

FUNKNROLL

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Reply #72 posted 01/17/17 1:24am

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justme2u said:

FUNKNROLL said:



morningsong said:


I would imagine the DEA could know what toothpaste you use if they wanted to.



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I would expect the NSA could know you called a record store and your Facebook habits.


But the DEA, knowing those things about somebody who randomy called PP? That... was surprising.



OP - can you confirm, the DEA knew you called the record store and somehow knew your Facebook habits? Did that not seem odd to you?



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"2 all the haterz on the internet


somebody's lookin' at you
No more candy 4 you


they got ur number now, fool"



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The whole thing had me very nervous. I asked if I needed an attorney. I'm sure they have a subpoena for the home records of PP. that probably led to my cell phone and gave them what ever authority they needed for other calls I've made. I have no doubt what so ever that the call was from the DEA and that it was legit. Once they have a name I imagine it's easy to look someone up on face book and see what kind of activity one has there. Most of my Facebook is prince related groups. I asked the agent about Kirk Johnson and he said he couldn't reveal anything. I said someone had to be the last person to see Prince.

I would have asked him that too. Did you happen to get the detectives name? I was thinking about sending him a letter.
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
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Reply #73 posted 01/17/17 8:17pm

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I was called this morning by a Minneapolis phone number eek . I didn't answer but called it back and its just busy. Anyone else getting calls from Minneapolis ?
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
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Reply #74 posted 01/18/17 2:12am

Bassette

oliviacamron said:

I was called this morning by a Minneapolis phone number eek . I didn't answer but called it back and its just busy. Anyone else getting calls from Minneapolis ?

No. But how did they get your phone number? Same way as justme2u (facebook, or by calling paisely park)?

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Reply #75 posted 01/18/17 7:25am

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Could it possibly be that the Org, is handing out information on all of our accounts and they are tracking us down this way?

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Reply #76 posted 01/18/17 7:59am

nelcp777

Interesting to say the least.

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Reply #77 posted 01/18/17 10:31am

precioux

PennyPurple said:

Could it possibly be that the Org, is handing out information on all of our accounts and they are tracking us down this way?

This is curious, because now in red print, the mods are stating that they will be shutting down Prince and death related threads until 4/21/17. This was not posted until it was mentioned in another thread about THIS thread regarding calls from Minnie to posters here on the org. hmmm

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Reply #78 posted 01/18/17 10:34am

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justme2u said:

I got a call on my cellphone today and the caller said 100000000. I let it go to voicemail figuring it was a telemarketer. The voicemail was from an agent from the minneapolis DEA. I called him back wondering wtf. He said you phone number came up as having tried to contact prince on the day he died and we are following up. I had googled the phone # for PP ON APRIL 21 after I heard someone was found unconscious etc. I was hoping to speak to someone about whether or not it was Prince hoping it wasn't. I never got through. I explained this to the officer. He said he also saw that i called electric fetus. I said yes I ordered two cds. Hehe said he saw that I belonged to several prince Facebook groups and he was just checking the boxes. He wanted to know if I could add anything to the information they had, did I know prince or have a relationship with him. I said I only wish, having been a fan since '78. Scary but true

Freaky! So they are still investigating....hhhmmm?

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Reply #79 posted 01/18/17 10:34am

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precioux said:

PennyPurple said:

Could it possibly be that the Org, is handing out information on all of our accounts and they are tracking us down this way?

This is curious, because now in red print, the mods are stating that they will be shutting down Prince and death related threads until 4/21/17. This was not posted until it was mentioned in another thread about THIS thread regarding calls from Minnie to posters here on the org. hmmm

I know, it's strange. Normally they would have to acquire a warrant to the Org for posters info. But with all the crazy rules and bannings here lately, the Org, might have just handed over that info, with just being asked and not a warrant. OR the Org, might not have gave anybody the info. I don't know??

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Reply #80 posted 01/18/17 10:39am

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Here is what the Org says:

Rule #4

We (the Org) cooperate fully with law enforcement agencies bearing the appropriate paperwork.

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Reply #81 posted 01/18/17 11:03am

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I can remember back in April people on various platforms were throwing around all sorts of telephone numbers to call for information in Minnesota. From the Trib to investigators - fams were going crazy and dialling everyone or every entity they thought might give them information. I am not surprised some were caught up in the investigation. I don't know one person who knows anything but speculation.

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Reply #82 posted 01/18/17 11:29am

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eek eek

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Reply #83 posted 01/18/17 12:03pm

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I am just putting this out there to let y'all know that Law Enforcement has several ways to investigate people. If for instance they are investigating who called PP for let's say 30 days prior to April 21st, they could obtain the log of all calls in and out of PP. They then take those phone numbers and run a trace. That trace has names (owners) and locations (addresses). They then take those names and run background checks through National Crime Information Center, then each state has a CIC of it's own. So for instance if they ran a check on me, they would run NCIC/TCIC. They can also run checks for warrants and wanted. There would be no reason to contact anyone because they know already. I am not saying that this did not occurr, just that it doesn't sound legitimate.
I have been receiving calls from different states also, I don't answer if I don't know the #. They usually don't leave a message and I figure it is a telemarketing call.
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Reply #84 posted 01/18/17 12:08pm

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Bassette said:



oliviacamron said:


I was called this morning by a Minneapolis phone number eek . I didn't answer but called it back and its just busy. Anyone else getting calls from Minneapolis ?

No. But how did they get your phone number? Same way as justme2u (facebook, or by calling paisely park)?


Im tryin very hard to remeber if I called PP. I dont recall. However, I did call someone P worked with thats owns a studio. I got his phone number from the web and just called him up to ask him his thoughts on the way P died . He said nothing. But I think they got my number from Facebook. Like the OP said, the DEA said they seen her post on multible sites about Prince.
I asked Prince what he was planning to do. He told me , I'm going to look for the ladder. I asked him what that meant. All he said was, sometimes it snows in April. - book D.M.S.R.
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Reply #85 posted 01/18/17 1:07pm

manabean84

precioux said:

That's exactly what my point is...and my original question the OP...did the call connect or not??? Even if no one picked up and the answering machine/service did. That's all I wanted to know was if the call connected, because I KNOW that call would not have been able to be traced on PP's land line if it didn't. You can read in reply #20 where the OP could not remember if his/her call connected or not..or whether or not he/she left a vm, if the answering machine picked up. The OP can not state for sure whether or not the call actually connected, which led me to question if the call didn't connect, how would the call be traced back to the OP? Unless it showed up on PP's caller ID. benni said:

But it would go through if PP had a voice mail system set up and that voice mail picked up the call, even if it were full. It would be considered a connected call.

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Is it possible that they got his phone number from the call to EF, was able to review his phone records and find that the OP called PP as well?

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Reply #86 posted 01/18/17 1:17pm

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XxAxX said:

morningsong said:

XxAxX said: Unfortunately in this instance I'm ok with that.



none of us have very much privacy anywhere in this day and age. NO privacy even. not even in our own homes, with technology that can literally look through walls see our internet connections onscreen, or read our heat signatures inside our home, showing where we are and what we are doing. true facts.. see below


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/19/police-radar-see-through-walls/22007615/

http://fusion.net/story/39258/police-are-using-a-new-device-that-can-see-through-walls/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/20/police-departments-quietly-equipped-with-device-that-lets-them-see-through-walls/

http://abc7chicago.com/technology/home-hackers-digital-invaders-a-threat-to-your-house/515520/

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/creepy-tracking-tech-gone-too-far-police-surveillance-now-fully-automated-and-integrated-into-wireless-networks_03042015

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2043095/heres-what-an-eavesdropper-sees-when-you-use-an-unsecured-wi-fi-hotspot.html

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/how-to-figure-out-if-somebody-s-spying-on-you

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Yeah, I know. Oddly nobody's asking my permission to do such things.

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Reply #87 posted 01/18/17 1:20pm

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That means it is still being investigated thoroughly. Good news actually.

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Reply #88 posted 01/18/17 1:27pm

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Oh brother rolleyes Look, people shouldn't go overboard over this situation, there's only ONE person who gave enough info to indicate follow-up is being done with her and it was due to her calling PP the day he passed. The op said it was a DEA number, so if anyone has received any calls from MN then it's pretty simple to determine if it's a DEA call. OF4S was asked in another post if the current handling of the Prince/drugs thread had anything to do with DEA contact and said NO. Please calm down people and direct these kinds of inquiries to the mods of prince.org, rather than starting yet another crazed panic over nothing. Geesh, are there only children posting here these days? Get a grip on it shake

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Reply #89 posted 01/18/17 1:34pm

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Mumio said:

Oh brother rolleyes Look, people shouldn't go overboard over this situation, there's only ONE person who gave enough info to indicate follow-up is being done with her and it was due to her calling PP the day he passed. The op said it was a DEA number, so if anyone has received any calls from MN then it's pretty simple to determine if it's a DEA call. OF4S was asked in another post if the current handling of the Prince/drugs thread had anything to do with DEA contact and said NO. Please calm down people and direct these kinds of inquiries to the mods of prince.org, rather than starting yet another crazed panic over nothing. Geesh, are there only children posting here these days? Get a grip on it shake

thumbs up!

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