justme2u said:

I got a call on my cellphone today and the caller said 100000000. I let it go to voicemail figuring it was a telemarketer. The voicemail was from an agent from the minneapolis DEA. I called him back wondering wtf. He said you phone number came up as having tried to contact prince on the day he died and we are following up. I had googled the phone # for PP ON APRIL 21 after I heard someone was found unconscious etc. I was hoping to speak to someone about whether or not it was Prince hoping it wasn't. I never got through. I explained this to the officer. He said he also saw that i called electric fetus. I said yes I ordered two cds. Hehe said he saw that I belonged to several prince Facebook groups and he was just checking the boxes. He wanted to know if I could add anything to the information they had, did I know prince or have a relationship with him. I said I only wish, having been a fan since '78. Scary but true

laytonian said:

FUNKNROLL said:

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Not to put too fine a point on OP's story, but this story should be sobering for all on this board. If you're like me, perhaps you've been skeptical about surveillance, thinking - "All that NSA stuff is for terrorists and politicians. I don't do anything bad so I'm not being monitored".

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This is not a matter of national security. But the authorities were authorized and able to positively identify then research someone with very obscure interests, having nothing to do with the matter. Just to "check a box".

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1. OP made a call to PP but did not speak to anybody.

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2. DEA calls OP and tells them they know OP called PP - and - they also called Electric Fetus record store (?) and they have positively identified the OP in social media.

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Anonymity does not exist. Privacy is an illusion.

Food for thought ya'll.

Thanks OP.

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This has NOTHING to do with the NSA or "surveillance".

The investigators obviously have obtained LEGAL SEARCH WARRANTS for all calls in/out of any phone number related to PP, Prince, his band members, employees, etc.
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I believe I said that - this isn't the NSA / national security matter.

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I can see where you might believe that. But the OP made a call and spoke to nobody. The DEA was authorized to then research their other activities. Who knows what they didn't disclose to OP.

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"Innocent until proven guilty" used to prevent random people from being swept up / party to investigations, especially if they are barely peripheral persons of interest.

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Oh well, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ food for thought.

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FUNKNROLL said:

laytonian said:

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This has NOTHING to do with the NSA or "surveillance".

The investigators obviously have obtained LEGAL SEARCH WARRANTS for all calls in/out of any phone number related to PP, Prince, his band members, employees, etc.
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I can see where you might believe that. But the OP made a call and spoke to nobody. The DEA was authorized to then research their other activities. Who knows what they didn't disclose to OP.

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"Innocent until proven guilty" used to prevent random people from being swept up / party to investigations, especially if they are barely peripheral persons of interest.

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Oh well, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ food for thought.

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The OP was contacted due to a search warrant of phone records (normally directly to the phone company itself), NOT through NSA surveillance.

Yes, I believe that. I'm a retired Federal/DoD exec who held a top secret clearance for years.
I know how the stuff works.
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justme2u said:

The whole thing had me very nervous. I asked if I needed an attorney. I'm sure they have a subpoena for the home records of PP. that probably led to my cell phone and gave them what ever authority they needed for other calls I've made. I have no doubt what so ever that the call was from the DEA and that it was legit. Once they have a name I imagine it's easy to look someone up on face book and see what kind of activity one has there. Most of my Facebook is prince related groups. I asked the agent about Kirk Johnson and he said he couldn't reveal anything. I said someone had to be the last person to see Prince.

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That was your only mistake. That infers that there may actually have been a reason to contact you...especially if you called PP more than once.

Don't call them back. Don't mention "needing an attorney". NEVER tell them anything. Make them come to you in person. If you think you need an attorney, you do need an attorney.

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laytonian said:

FUNKNROLL said:

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I can see where you might believe that. But the OP made a call and spoke to nobody. The DEA was authorized to then research their other activities. Who knows what they didn't disclose to OP.

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"Innocent until proven guilty" used to prevent random people from being swept up / party to investigations, especially if they are barely peripheral persons of interest.

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Oh well, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ food for thought.

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The OP was contacted due to a search warrant of phone records (normally directly to the phone company itself), NOT through NSA surveillance.

Yes, I believe that. I'm a retired Federal/DoD exec who held a top secret clearance for years.
I know how the stuff works.
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You may have missed my edit - I believe I said "this isn't NSA / national security stuff". But the techniques on display are reminiscent of what was foreshadowed years ago - i.e. random peripheral people being swept up as party to an investigation simply by having made a phone call. And then the extent of their research.

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What happens during the course if they see something unrelated to this investigation, but of some other interest? How can we know how many times we've been party to an investigation? I know I'd like to be aware, especially if I'm somehow connected to a questionable person that keeps getting me swept up in their business.

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FUNKNROLL said:

FUNKNROLL said:

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Not to put too fine a point on OP's story, but this story should be sobering for all on this board. If you're like me, perhaps you've been skeptical about surveillance, thinking - "All that NSA stuff is for terrorists and politicians. I don't do anything bad so I'm not being monitored".

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This is not a matter of national security. But the authorities were authorized and able to positively identify then research someone with very obscure interests, having nothing to do with the matter. Just to "check a box".

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1. OP made a call to PP but did not speak to anybody.

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2. DEA calls OP and tells them they know OP called PP - and - they also called Electric Fetus record store (?) and they have positively identified the OP in social media.

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Anonymity does not exist. Privacy is an illusion.

Food for thought ya'll.

Thanks OP.

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Maybe I'm just paranoid, but, didn't Edward Snowden prove no phone or computer communication is private?

EDIT: morningsong beat me to it...

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laytonian said:

precioux said:

My point being, that if the call did not connect, the only way to know if the OP called PP would be through caller ID. if the call did not CONNECT, there is NO WAY to "trace" the call. If you can show otherwise, please do. Peace and Love laytonian said:

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This has nothing to do with caller ID.

Obviously, the DEA/investigators have a warrant for all phone records associated with Paisley and all employees, co-workers, band members, etc.

That means the phone company/companies have been compelled to provide lists of all calls in/out for a certain time period.

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I can imagine the phone companies do have record of all calls made (outgoing), regardless of whether they connect or not. Similar to what might be on your own iPhone or Android. My iPhone shows all the calls I've made, regardless of whether I connected or not.

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What's an Iphone...

FUNKNROLL said:

But it would go through if PP had a voice mail system set up and that voice mail picked up the call, even if it were full. It would be considered a connected call.

very glad to hear this......

benni said:

i think it's safe to assume that these mesage boards are also monitored

XxAxX said:

precioux said:

I'd have told him to fuck off, and it was none of this business.

TrivialPursuit said:

precioux said:

TrivialPursuit said:

I'd have told him to fuck off, and it was none of this business.

Sure!....and if in fact you would've called PP on the day of Prince's death, it IS their businesses.smh

No, it's really not. It's a coincidence. It's not anything more, especially to someone who doesn't even live in the area. People bend way too easily to someone with a toy store badge on their chest. What FB groups or whatever that they're part of is irrelevant. Most people go with blind with the "doing their job" bullshit and would offer up their own souls if it was for "the greater good" or some other such nonsense. I mean, the questions about the record store? Did he want the credit card number as well? Where's the line? I'd have hung up by that point. I don't give anything about my life up that easily to someone, no matter the topic. No one has a right to know anyone's business like that, beyond having called Paisley Park on that day per chance.

TrivialPursuit said:

TrivialPursuit said:

precioux said:

laytonian said:

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That was your only mistake. That infers that there may actually have been a reason to contact you...especially if you called PP more than once.

Don't call them back. Don't mention "needing an attorney". NEVER tell them anything. Make them come to you in person. If you think you need an attorney, you do need an attorney.

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Yeah but what about Electric Fetus? How did they know about that?

morningsong said:

XxAxX said:

i think it's safe to assume that these mesage boards are also monitored

Unfortunately in this instance I'm ok with that.

none of us have very much privacy anywhere in this day and age. NO privacy even. not even in our own homes, with technology that can literally look through walls see our internet connections onscreen, or read our heat signatures inside our home, showing where we are and what we are doing. true facts.. see below


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/01/19/police-radar-see-through-walls/22007615/

http://fusion.net/story/39258/police-are-using-a-new-device-that-can-see-through-walls/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/01/20/police-departments-quietly-equipped-with-device-that-lets-them-see-through-walls/

http://abc7chicago.com/technology/home-hackers-digital-invaders-a-threat-to-your-house/515520/

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/creepy-tracking-tech-gone-too-far-police-surveillance-now-fully-automated-and-integrated-into-wireless-networks_03042015

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2043095/heres-what-an-eavesdropper-sees-when-you-use-an-unsecured-wi-fi-hotspot.html

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/how-to-figure-out-if-somebody-s-spying-on-you

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Intellectually, we all know this stuff is possible, but hearing this first hand...Y'all are seriously freaking me out.

justme2u said: