FullLipsDotNose said:

CocoRock said:

You should have reported that female if you felt victimized.

If I understand that correctly, Guitarhero is talking about a hypothetical situation. Personally, I think it's less likely that a man would be a victim of harassment by a woman of equal standing, but if that happened, I think his case would be taken more seriously. I don't know a woman that would do this, especially if the man said he wouldn't feel comfortable. After all, we women know that odds are against us and approaching a man like this would require a lot of confidence. Whereas men don't have to worry too much if they advance without consent.

i've been "harassed" by women but I liked it so of course i didn't feel "victimized". It's strange how comfortable women seem to feel and how little they worry about repurcussions. I mean I would look awful strange acting traumatized because some girl brushed my ass or rubbed her breasts on me. i just ignored it, but i am still surprised at how common it has been in work situations.

CocoRock said:

Guitarhero said:

I can vote but don't. I can also be slapped on my backside by a female co- worker but that's ok i'm just a man i'm not the victim.

You should have reported that female if you felt victimized.

Direct quotes from so called "we just want equality" feminists when a male reports harrasment

-Yeah, I'm gonna say that never actually really happened.

-Guys like that kinda stuff anyway.

-It happens more to women so it's totally different.

-Man up!

Did you ever hear the story about the male interviewer that told the attractive female celebrity during the interview "I find you very screwable."? No? Neither did I. Now, reverse the genders and insert actual names - Barbara Walters and Bradley Cooper. Not a single peep out of any "we're not sex objects...we just want equality" feminist.

Feminists need to start acknowledging the blatent hypocricy in feminism. Like when Huffington Post puts rape stories whe the woman is the victim in the crime section, but then puts the story of a woman having sex with an unconcious man in the funny News of the Weird section.

Feminism is just like Fox News - if Fox would just come out and say "Yes, we are a conservative news source and are not fair and balanced" that would take away a majority of arguments against them. If feminists would just say "we don't give a damn about equality, we're in it just for women. We reserve the right to assault men when we're angry, at the same time condeming men (rightly so) that do it"..."if any man criticizes any woman on anything, that is misogyny. But when we say ALL men are dogs, ALL men are stupid, etc, well that's a strong woman."

I could never call myself a feminist, because I believe in actual equality. No matter what your gender, if you're an ass, you get called out for being an ass. You get equal pay and equal opportunities. You get an equal expectaion of not being touched by anyone you do not want touching you. You get equal punishment. You're not taught "don't hit girls", you're taught "don't hit anyone." See feminists, that's what actual equality looks like.

7souls said:

CocoRock said:

You should have reported that female if you felt victimized.

Direct quotes from so called "we just want equality" feminists when a male reports harrasment

-Yeah, I'm gonna say that never actually really happened.

-Guys like that kinda stuff anyway.

-It happens more to women so it's totally different.

-Man up!

Did you ever hear the story about the male interviewer that told the attractive female celebrity during the interview "I find you very screwable."? No? Neither did I. Now, reverse the genders and insert actual names - Barbara Walters and Bradley Cooper. Not a single peep out of any "we're not sex objects...we just want equality" feminist.

Feminists need to start acknowledging the blatent hypocricy in feminism. Like when Huffington Post puts rape stories whe the woman is the victim in the crime section, but then puts the story of a woman having sex with an unconcious man in the funny News of the Weird section.

Feminism is just like Fox News - if Fox would just come out and say "Yes, we are a conservative news source and are not fair and balanced" that would take away a majority of arguments against them. If feminists would just say "we don't give a damn about equality, we're in it just for women. We reserve the right to assault men when we're angry, at the same time condeming men (rightly so) that do it"..."if any man criticizes any woman on anything, that is misogyny. But when we say ALL men are dogs, ALL men are stupid, etc, well that's a strong woman."

I could never call myself a feminist, because I believe in actual equality. No matter what your gender, if you're an ass, you get called out for being an ass. You get equal pay and equal opportunities. You get an equal expectaion of not being touched by anyone you do not want touching you. You get equal punishment. You're not taught "don't hit girls", you're taught "don't hit anyone." See feminists, that's what actual equality looks like.

That's totally awful. As for the rest - I think you've got a very generalising view of feminists. There are feminists that are more conservative than others, but there are also liberal feminists. In fact, there are so many branches of feminism. I am for gender equality where men are disadvantaged, too, but I'm not gonna pretend the expectations and stereotypes of men weren't created by other men back in the day. If someone cares about men, they should focus on destroying those macho expectations, not blame feminists.

FullLipsDotNose said:

Noodled24 said:

But you're simply taking lyrics that suit the point you're trying to make.

Go listen to "Pheromone".

To me, that song is fine. I see it as a sadomasochistic sexual fantasy. It might not be everyone's taste, but as long as it's consensual, I see no problem with it.

And that's fine. But you're choosing to believe that, since the song never really makes it clear as to whether it's consensual or not.

The actual point I was making. Was that for every lyric you can point to and say "Prince was a feminist" I can point to another lyric and say "lol No he wasn't".

He also perpetuates what I guess would be called "Toxic femininity" since he frequently talks about beauty, and has never dated a woman who could be described as anything other than "stunning". He talks about telling his women what to wear etc..

1Sasha said:

The only way a woman could deal with someone like Prince - a boss who ruled with an iron fist - was to be economically independent. Even though Sheila E. was well-known and had a career before she joined him, almost every other woman in his life (except Madonna) depended upon him financially in some way. That allowed him to basically walk all over them while championing women in word and deed. You needed to NOT need him in order to interact with him. You needed to be able to walk away from him.

Very good point.I also think that's why Madonna was able to have a good friendship with him for so many years.She wasn't dependent on him for anything.

PeteSilas said:

Good points. Makes a lot of sense actually and helps answer the question of how he won. Lots of surprised folks icluding myself were wondering Lol

PeteSilas said:

Straight white men are my jam! Lol So not all feminists hate them as I consider myself one. But I guess I'm a moderate rather than radical feminist.

sonshine said:

What load of crap. Toxic masculinity "reigned" in 2016? But not in 2015, or 1915?? What exactly is that anyway? And these men she named showed there is no one right way to be a man - wth does that even mean?!? Is she saying they were toxic too, or they were being men the right way?? Sounds like a nut job to me. Statements like that are what gives feminism a bad name. She tries to come off smart, but is merely confusing and contradictory.

Thank you.

The whole premise of the thread is absurd.

purplepoppy said:

Let's not perpetuate the myth that feminists can't think their way out of a paper bag. I happen to be a crabby old one and Guitarhero is one of the good guys, damn. Y'all ever BEEN to any of the photo threads?

All Hero

GUITARHERO!!!


Toxic masculinity is a myth.....masculine energy is a beautiful thing.

Humans of any stripe can be toxic including so called feminists. I prefer to celebrate my womanhood without slandering the other gender. People are using Prince's death to justify all manner of fuckery.


Yeah, I said it.


bad spelling edit

[Edited 12/27/16 13:56pm]

Genesia said:

Gee.Zuz.

I am seriously afraid to ask what is next.

babynoz said:

purplepoppy said:

Let's not perpetuate the myth that feminists can't think their way out of a paper bag. I happen to be a crabby old one and Guitarhero is one of the good guys, damn. Y'all ever BEEN to any of the photo threads?

All Hero

GUITARHERO!!!


Toxic masculinity is a myth.....masculine energy is a beautiful thing.

Humans of any stripe can be toxic including so called feminists. I prefer to celebrate my womanhood without slandering the other gender. People are using Prince's death to justify all manner of fuckery.


Yeah, I said it.


bad spelling edit

[Edited 12/27/16 13:56pm]

FUCKERY

noz sweeps in!

FullLipsDotNose said:

I'm learning so many new things from this thread. I had never heard the term "cis" before. But now I know what it means. I have heard the word "pansexual" before but I don't know what that means. I Googled it but it seems like it's just bisexual. I can't see any real difference.

But on topic, I personally don't see any correlation between Prince’s death and the rise in masculinity, toxic or otherwise. Come to think of it, I think masculinity in all forms is down. You never see big muscle bound action heroes anymore. I miss the likes of Schwarzenegger and Van Damme at the movies.

PeteSilas said:

Ronnie Talk to Russia tells a different story

purplepoppy said:

...

All Hero

YESSSSSS!!!! WE DO OUR HERO

sorry this thread is toxic!
cant believe I'm here among prince fans ... must have missed something

EmmaMcG said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

Cis only means that you've had the same gender for your whole life. You can be of any sexual orientation, race and gender. For example, I am cis, too, but I'm a pansexual white EE woman. You can also have cis homosexual black women, for example.

I'm learning so many new things from this thread. I had never heard the term "cis" before. But now I know what it means. I have heard the word "pansexual" before but I don't know what that means. I Googled it but it seems like it's just bisexual. I can't see any real difference. But on topic, I personally don't see any correlation between Prince’s death and the rise in masculinity, toxic or otherwise. Come to think of it, I think masculinity in all forms is down. You never see big muscle bound action heroes anymore. I miss the likes of Schwarzenegger and Van Damme at the movies.

The thing is that you are not attracted to just men and women, but other genders as well. The problem is that many societies legally allow only two genders as well as two sexes (so if you are born with vagina and penis, doctors cut off one of these... usually the penis because it's reportedly easier. Go freedom of self-determination). This year I fell in love with a person who was at that time a gender-neutral person and now she's a woman (and biologically a man). I'm mostly into androgynous people and I sometimes have a crush on a person even if I don't know their gender (a year ago I saw a person with long dreadlocks and wasn't sure... but they looked beautiful).

FullLipsDotNose said:

White people in general get away with the hygiene and unkempt appearance thing far easier and more often than a minority man or woman ever could. Especiallyl Black
I've worked with many whites who openly laugh about themselves not taking showers or washing their hair for weeks. The moment I come to work faintly smelling if cigarette smoke I'm called into the boss' office to be told there've been several complaints about my 'odor' today.

CocoRock said:

And God forbid you be a Gay Black working class male with Black pride who dates Black people and who is 'masculine'.

The gay white male Will and Grace brigade (and their fruitflies) have absolutely no use for you and will assert their white male privilege on you quicker than you can say jazz hands. Essentially you become public enemy #1 in their books.

FullLipsDotNose said:

Why is water wet? Why do ass cracks smell like shit?
Why do arrogant, homophobic, misogynists do anything they do?

CocoRock said:

Well I can personally attest to the fact that MORE THAN ONE woman (white) at a few of my jobs through the years has randomly reached out and grabbed my dick. No joke
[Edited 12/27/16 15:17pm]

mechanicalemotion17 said:

CocoRock said:

Hypothetical or not, my statement stands. Unless GuitarHero would be so ashamed to be victimized by a woman that he wouldn't report it, for fear of losing masculinity points.

And I too don't know a woman who would do this.

Well I can personally attest to the fact that MORE THAN ONE woman (white) at a few of my jobs through the years has randomly reached out and grabbed my dick. No joke [Edited 12/27/16 15:17pm]

Yep, cause when it's a black/disabled/otherwise disadvantaged man, it's easier for a woman to get away with it. When I was at college/doing my undergrad, we studied a book where a mentally disabled man was raped by a woman of at least average intelligence. And she got away with that because he was dependent on her. There was also a story in the news of a black man falsely accused of rape who served many years in prison, whereas Brock Turner was in prison just for a few months.

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I think Prince was spared of this because he wasn't seen as a stereotypical black man that is hypersexual. White women that specifically seek black men for sex are only interested in those that are always horny and have their chests waxed.

FullLipsDotNose said:

I see. Thanks for explaining.

mechanicalemotion17 said:

CocoRock said:

Let's just put up all the labels you've attached to yourself in this thread alone and go from there...

1. Straight

2. White

3. Working class

4. British

5. Male

Now, while you may not weild the "power" you want in terms of money, influence, accolades, success (however you may define it), as a straight White working class British man, your privilege IS your power.

As a gay Black working class American man, my so-called "power" is considerably less than yours. But I'd be a fool if I didn't realize that I have more "power" than a Black woman, or somebody who is trans, etc. in terms of social equity.

So I guess I agree that yes, any straight White man who refuses to acknowledge his privilege over other "powerless" and historically oppressed groups of humans is the definition of "toxic masculinity".

While you didn't ask to be born the way you are, neither did the rest of us.

And God forbid you be a Gay Black working class male with Black pride who dates Black people and who is 'masculine'. The gay white male Will and Grace brigade (and their fruitflies) have absolutely no use for you and will assert their white male privilege on you quicker than you can say jazz hands. Essentially you become public enemy #1 in their books.

Though I'm inclined to agree with you, your pejorative use of "fruitflies" and weird hygeine talk let's me know I all I need to as to whom I'm interacting with.

As for all of GuitarHero's defenders, I'm sure he's a great guy, wizard at math and all that shit, but when White men pull that 'I'm a victim too!' mess, I laugh. Simple as that. Especially when they fail to see how anyone could see otherwise. It's that knd of thinking that got President Chump elected.

But I digress... This has become a P&R thread, and I only venture over there if I'm looking for a fight.

mechanicalemotion17 said:

PeteSilas said:

another very ironic thing, speaking of presidents, Prince always seemed to admire ronald reagan and said he had "balls" in an early 80's interview. Reagan didn't do a damned thing for black people did he? Ali fell under his spell too, just because Reagan wanted school prayer. No ones' perfect.

Ronnie Talk to Russia tells a different story

not really, he does say that line if you die before i get to meet ya don't say i didn't warn you. just the fact that he wanted to "get to meet" the guy tells you something. Prince was pretty patriotic in those years, songs like free, america are illustrative of that. He was a cold war baby like many of us so he had the idea that the commies were bad and we were good and that we were free. sort of an elementary view of things but he was a kid.

CocoRock said:

Does it REALLY let you know ALL you need to know about who you're interacting with? Well I can probably safely assume by your superior and dismissive tone that it lies nowhere along the lines that you're interacting with a man who is speaking openly and honestly about his experiences with double standards and hypocrisies and who despite the way he sometimes uses playful politically incorrectness as a harmless pressure valve of sorts to express his frustrations with a society that would have broken a lesser man years ago--is still a pretty decent guy with valid observations. Lucky for me I'm way beyond needing your approval, sir.

So how about this? I'll go back to doing me and you go back to being Black only when its convenient for you and carry on planning out your New Year's Eve dinner party with Bill,Dan,and Becky and continue contemplating whether or not you should make it a Desperate Housewives marathon for the evening or Queer As Folk.

In parting.... I wish you a great rest of your day filled with immeasurable amounts of
Peace, love, and sooooul mah brutha!

(but then you probably already knew I would say all of that)

.....
[Edited 12/27/16 23:13pm]

FullLipsDotNose said:

CocoRock said:

You should have reported that female if you felt victimized.

If I understand that correctly, Guitarhero is talking about a hypothetical situation. Personally, I think it's less likely that a man would be a victim of harassment by a woman of equal standing, but if that happened, I think his case would be taken more seriously. I don't know a woman that would do this, especially if the man said he wouldn't feel comfortable. After all, we women know that odds are against us and approaching a man like this would require a lot of confidence. Whereas men don't have to worry too much if they advance without consent.

not worry too much? are you kidding? I've given up on women because of the headaches, i'm better off alone. Now, take the work thing out of it for a minute, a man has to worry about rejection which no one, male or female, likes. on top of that, we have to worry about being a stalker and a harraser too. I've had the cops called on me before by a woman who told me to keep coming to see her. It's all in the past and i don't want to sidetrack things, I just want to point out that things are not what they were. Men are beaten down today, I know things are different in other regions and parts of the US but where I'm at? I save myself the trouble. Nowadays women actually actually have the nerve to get pissed at me because I ignore them when they flirt. It's too late, i'm 48 fucking years old, i don't need it anymore. I guess I can laugh at it all now.

mechanicalemotion17 said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

You have power in some areas. Just because you are disadvantaged in some areas (being working class) doesn't mean you ain't advantaged at all. As a British person, you are part of the first world and you can vote in British elections. And as a man, you can't be a victim of catcalling, you are less likely to be a victim of gender-based violence, you are not viewed as an unsuitable job candidate because you could become a parent, hygiene products for your gender are cheaper and you are not expected to take that much care of your appearance as I have to.

White people in general get away with the hygiene and unkempt appearance thing far easier and more often than a minority man or woman ever could. Especiallyl Black I've worked with many whites who openly laugh about themselves not taking showers or washing their hair for weeks. The moment I come to work faintly smelling if cigarette smoke I'm called into the boss' office to be told there've been several complaints about my 'odor' today.

absolutely they do. It's kind of a thing with them, they think the shit is cool. When white people let themselves go like that they really let themselves go. As a musician I can't stand hanging around the dirty whiteboys they annoy the fuck out of me and we just come from different worlds, can't relate. I've got a musician buddie, black dude who should be a star, plays better than Jimi and he is a local star but I don't get how he hangs out with all these whitefolks. Maybe he figures it's what he has to do but I can tell from his facebook posts it bothers him. One of these days we'll talk about it.

Anyway, us minorities have to learn that we can't get away with the same things they get away with. It's heartbreaking to watch these shootings we've had with the woman trying to use what i call "whitespeak" saying "oh, don't shoot, he has TBI" no no no, that's what white people get to do, us trying some shit like that just ends up with us dead. I'm Indian btw but the same rules apply. For us there ain't no post-traumatic disorder, no add, no bipolar, no nothing. If we don't learn that lesson we're in for a lot more heartbreak. Watching the Sioux thing lately, I really worried that the shit would go bad any minute, fortunately, some good white people got involved. Without them, the thing probably wouldn't have ended like this and may have ended up in a slaughter. That's what history tells us and we have to go with that.

mechanicalemotion17 said:

CocoRock said:

Hypothetical or not, my statement stands. Unless GuitarHero would be so ashamed to be victimized by a woman that he wouldn't report it, for fear of losing masculinity points.

And I too don't know a woman who would do this.

Well I can personally attest to the fact that MORE THAN ONE woman (white) at a few of my jobs through the years has randomly reached out and grabbed my dick. No joke [Edited 12/27/16 15:17pm]

seriously? just reached out and grabbed the meat huh? Are you black? what did you do? I'd have loved that shit myself, that's never happened to me, thank your lucky stars.

mechanicalemotion17 said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

Yes, I am. Why are you so surprised?

Why is water wet? Why do ass cracks smell like shit? Why do arrogant, homophobic, misogynists do anything they do?

i give up trying to understand this crazy shit.

PeteSilas said:

Trust me....I could write a 3 volume manifesto on the putrid stench I've been subjected to by a certain melanin deficient, artistic type and the psychosis I'm convinced its a manifestation of. I once new this French guy who smelled so foul that being in his presence was a constant exercise in controlling my gag reflex. The weirdest thing was that his fellow white people who interacted with him didn't seem to have a problem with his eye-wateringly bad BO. I mean this guy left a funky miasma of stench behind in every room he entered and left. This wasn't the kind of stink that happens because you have a manual labor job and recognize the futility of showering before work. This was the kind of BO that people cultivate as a political statement. We're talking about weeks of summer sweating without showering or changing clothes and perhaps years of deodorant avoidance. And hey, if that's your thing? More power to you, just don't expect me to carry on and simply ignore the 5 ton elephant that's in the room. Sometimes when he had a new love interest he would even 'enhance' his signature scent with a squirt of cologne which for all intents and purposes had the effect of being punched in the face by Floyd Mayweather.
That's right, just take a minute to reflect on that....
This guy got more poon then you would EVER believe.
[Edited 12/28/16 1:34am]

PeteSilas said:

That's right....just reached out and grabbed it. The last woman who I worked with who did did it,about two summers ago, she and I had never even had a conversation beyond exchanging casual pleasantries. When she did it it was almost like some nervous impulse that she had no control of. Freaked me out.

I've never been one to deal with unwanted, overt sexual advances in a healthy way. Unfortunately find that no matter how together, assertive, and unaffected I might be able to pull off being in other circumstances, incidents like that have a way of reverting me straight back to my childhood and a time choose not remember. I usually become immobile, expressionless, and just stand there in a sort of paralysis.
(Hmmm, maybe I'll elaborate about it more in the Strange Confessions thread)

If you really think you want that type of attention, you can have it. I project all ownership of it to you right now astrally, my friend.

Hell yeah I'm Black. ..whatchu thought? Lol
[Edited 12/28/16 2:06am]