cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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HERB: You are truly hilarious! In the conspiracy thread, you mentioned "Vaccines", and several people; Olivia, Zena and MYSELF responded to YOU, and you totally ignored us, and did it more than once! I know you read it, but you refused to answer our questions. That is what I call someone who is "running and hiding", because you refuse to answer someone when they ask you a legitimate question! Is everything always this one-sided with you? You're not going to manipulate me or what I say, so don't even bother!

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So, you don't believe that Prince was murdered, given the timeline of events and the fact that 8-months after his death, there is still an active homicide investigation going on, and you don't believe that the Illuminati exists, and yadda, yadda, well goodie for you!! Some people feel differently. Accept it.

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You say you listed conspiracies that were proven to be untrue? Where are your links to those findings? Fact is, you haven't proven anything to any of us.

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You come in here and go off on tangents.......yes, that does make you look and sound crazy!

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Herb is a waste of Clover

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Herb is a waste of Clover? LMAO!!

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I know what you meant, LOL, and I whole-heartedly agree!!

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Maybe he should smoke another bowl. It does wonders for brain cells!

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Honestly, I don't think he even knows what he is saying most of the time!

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

so many things can't be compared to the pre internet days. for example, how many prince fans did you even personally know in the 80's? How many MJ or Bruce fans? the internet ties people together way past our geographical or our social contact limits. The 'get help' thing personally has no merit, i've been on the internet long enough to have been in enough disagreements where people attack my morality, intelligence, sanity just because they get frustrated with an arguement or they just want to dismiss what i'm saying and not try to win through a good arguement. It doesn't bother me much because I know who i am but, sometimes it's been dissapointing when family or friends who you thought had more to their character than to revert to base namecalling when they are losing an arguement or when you don't see things like they do. It's exactly the same reason i don't let many people on my personal facebook, just nothing but stupid arguements.

The issue with the internet is u get connected with many people u wouldn't get connected with IRL. In pre-internet days I wouldn't hang out with someone just because they're a Prince fan. I would dismiss and ignore the lunatics and never have to see them again. Now lunatics are taking part in a private club and I want them out. Simple as that. I want them OUT so I can have fun with my friends. So I'm gonna give them shit until they fucking leave. Some already have. Some won't. All my arguments with them are based on logic and data. When someone proves me wrong on a factual or logical basis, as it's happened, I back-off and apologize. When someone, like u, admit that they were just daydreaming, I'm cool. Unfortunately it happens rarely. However I see where u're coming from and I'm cool with u, u're no lunatic. I have a very rich social life IRL and even though I have my issues I keep 'em for myself and u will not find anyone IRL to complain about me having physchiatric or social issues. Unlike many people here.

it's probably because I've been around Martial Artists for many years but, my wierdness meter is probably a lot different than yours. I've been around some daffy people, musicians are often pretty out there too, they really are. Prince was in many ways for sure. But I haven't seen a whole lot on the org that makes me really think "wow they are really fucked up". There have been a few wackos through the years who you could tell had something really wrong, I think Zelaira (if you've been around long enough) is the perfect example but I haven't seen to many people like that. The whole devil worshipping, illuminati stuff, lots of people believe and speak on that today, even people in the industry, I don't really know what to make of it but unless all those people are batshit crazy, maybe there is something to it. I don't know. I know we are all limited in what we know about reality.

cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Herb is a waste of Clover? LMAO!!

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I know what you meant, LOL, and I whole-heartedly agree!!

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Maybe he should smoke another bowl. It does wonders for brain cells!

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Honestly, I don't think he even knows what he is saying most of the time!

I was in my car when I typed that

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No problem! I knew what you meant.

Just as I suspected, no response from Herb4. He is such a & he so full of

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There's no hope for him.

cloveringold85 said:

herb4 said:

Oh, do please stop. At least debate me in good faith. That, or just ignore me.

I fucking love this. I ask questions that get ignored or unanswered, then everyone tells me to get lost and knock it off and quit trolling the thread so I do and now I'm "running and hiding". Yeah, I'M the crazy one. People think Prince faked his own death and there's an Illumanitti and Russians with secret breifcases and what have you but if someone thinks there may be life on other planets then they're the crazy ones.

Apparently, the fact that I don't think Prince was murdered, that there is no Illuminatti, that I believe we landed on the moon and that 9/11 was not an inside job (amongst other things) while still acknowledging the possibility of alien life is enough to put me in the crazy category.

Fact of the matter is, I listed about 10 or 15 things (conspiracy theories), prefecly rational beliefs regarding things that are proven to be complete bullshit and, when called out on the "25% of REALLY IMPORTANT THINGS" that I'm apprently wrong about, no one can be bothered to list which ones and answer me. Most of all by YOU. This is what constitutes "debate and discussion" apparently.

Maybe you can take a moment to enlighten us about ritual satanic sacrifices and numerology. Perhaps Cobain was a victim. You, of all people, calling me crazy gives me solace and security in my own sanity, to be frank.

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HERB: You are truly hilarious! In the conspiracy thread, you mentioned "Vaccines", and several people; Olivia, Zena and MYSELF responded to YOU, and you totally ignored us, and did it more than once! I know you read it, but you refused to answer our questions. That is what I call someone who is "running and hiding", because you refuse to answer someone when they ask you a legitimate question! Is everything always this one-sided with you? You're not going to manipulate me or what I say, so don't even bother!

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So, you don't believe that Prince was murdered, given the timeline of events and the fact that 8-months after his death, there is still an active homicide investigation going on, and you don't believe that the Illuminati exists, and yadda, yadda, well goodie for you!! Some people feel differently. Accept it.

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You say you listed conspiracies that were proven to be untrue? Where are your links to those findings? Fact is, you haven't proven anything to any of us.

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You come in here and go off on tangents.......yes, that does make you look and sound crazy!

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IDK about Herb and IDK whether Prince was murdered but I know one thing for a fact: the Illuminati don't exist. It's not a matter of belief. God is a matter of belief, creationism and Santa Claus aren't. See "fairy tale" in the dictonary.

cloveringold85 said:

Just as I suspected, no response from Herb4. He is such a & he so full of

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There's no hope for him.

Except I did and you flipped the fuck out. I posted links from snopes and the cdc that were promptly ignored, but keep chasing windmills and calling ME the idiot.

http://www.snopes.com/tag/chemtrails/

http://www.snopes.com/search/?q=vaccines



It would help if you would specifically address the things you think I'm misguided and naive about but I've been asking you to do that for a month and gotten nothing. You posted about your kid developing autism or something presumably from a vaccine and there's no evidence wehatsoever that vaccines in general cause autism.

If I post, you call me an insane troll and tell me to get out, if I don't post and get out you call me a coward for Ignoring you. Nice "no-win" little box you've built there.

Also, I can't post in that thread anymore. I was adivsed that it was created specifically to keep the lunacy in one place lest it bleed into sane discussions happening elsewhere on the board. Which is actually a pretty good idea.

Nobody's running or hiding from anything. I can't make you sane, especially through a message board.

cloveringold85 said:

databank said:

Funny how when ur parent, friend, colleague or neightboor dies no one ever find anything suspicious or mysterious about it but when it's a celebrity everyone sees inconsistencies and suspicious things. Humans die. Stars are human. People have too much imagionation.

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Huh? Suspicious deaths occur every single day is this country and right in our own neighborhoods. Do you watch the news? I see no difference between the sudden/supicious death of a celebrity and a common citizen.

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I agree that Humans die and stars are human (rock stars), not the one's in our solar system though.

It happens all the time. I have a student this semester whose father died in similar circumstances to Prince -- taking far more of an opoiod that he ever took and enough that it would kill anyone. It took a couple of weeks but everyone became suspicious and a few weeks after that, the "girlfriend" was arrested for manslaughter.

He was out of it and she crushed a ton of pills and fed them to him "because he asked for them."

The only difference between my student's father and Prince -- aside from the musician/fame thing -- is that the dad was known to be addicted to painkillers.

Further, my cousin's husband allegedly committed suicide 40 years ago. Even though it was ruled a suicide, many family members don't agree because of how he was shot. It would have been very difficult for him to do it by himself.

I know this is anecdotal, but this happens a lot. When things don't add up, family and friends absolutely do try to figure it out with any theory they can muster that makes better sense.

teach49 said:

It happens all the time. I have a student this semester whose father died in similar circumstances to Prince -- taking far more of an opoiod that he ever took and enough that it would kill anyone. It took a couple of weeks but everyone became suspicious and a few weeks after that, the "girlfriend" was arrested for manslaughter.

He was out of it and she crushed a ton of pills and fed them to him "because he asked for them."

The only difference between my student's father and Prince -- aside from the musician/fame thing -- is that the dad was known to be addicted to painkillers.

Further, my cousin's husband allegedly committed suicide 40 years ago. Even though it was ruled a suicide, many family members don't agree because of how he was shot. It would have been very difficult for him to do it by himself.

I know this is anecdotal, but this happens a lot. When things don't add up, family and friends absolutely do try to figure it out with any theory they can muster that makes better sense.

i agree completely which is why the family's response has been so confusing to me from day one. the police say it's and open homicide investigation and tyka says, "i knew it was coming." HUH? no scrambling to make sense of it? u have know for 2 yrs that ur brother's death would be the focus of a homicide investigation. WTF! does not compute!

wavesofbliss said:

teach49 said:

It happens all the time. I have a student this semester whose father died in similar circumstances to Prince -- taking far more of an opoiod that he ever took and enough that it would kill anyone. It took a couple of weeks but everyone became suspicious and a few weeks after that, the "girlfriend" was arrested for manslaughter.

He was out of it and she crushed a ton of pills and fed them to him "because he asked for them."

The only difference between my student's father and Prince -- aside from the musician/fame thing -- is that the dad was known to be addicted to painkillers.

Further, my cousin's husband allegedly committed suicide 40 years ago. Even though it was ruled a suicide, many family members don't agree because of how he was shot. It would have been very difficult for him to do it by himself.

I know this is anecdotal, but this happens a lot. When things don't add up, family and friends absolutely do try to figure it out with any theory they can muster that makes better sense.

i agree completely which is why the family's response has been so confusing to me from day one. the police say it's and open homicide investigation and tyka says, "i knew it was coming." HUH? no scrambling to make sense of it? u have know for 2 yrs that ur brother's death would be the focus of a homicide investigation. WTF! does not compute!

That's true. Maybe it's just a process for her and it makes little sense to us because we don't know what she knows or when it really sunk in for her. I know my student's comments about his father's death shifted over time, from "it was expected" to "it was a homicide." He was resigned in the beginning, and in a fog of grief by the end. Tyka did say a day or two after the interview you mentioned that the loss was beginning to hit her hard. I felt like that press tour really made it real for her. She started out one way but then something shifted for her...I think grief. I don't hold her to one comment over the other because of that. Grief is a dizzying place to be.

But I take your point. It's hard to make head or tails of this if you look too closely.

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herb4 said:

cloveringold85 said:

Just as I suspected, no response from Herb4. He is such a & he so full of

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There's no hope for him.

Except I did and you flipped the fuck out. I posted links from snopes and the cdc that were promptly ignored, but keep chasing windmills and calling ME the idiot.

http://www.snopes.com/tag/chemtrails/

http://www.snopes.com/search/?q=vaccines



It would help if you would specifically address the things you think I'm misguided and naive about but I've been asking you to do that for a month and gotten nothing. You posted about your kid developing autism or something presumably from a vaccine and there's no evidence wehatsoever that vaccines in general cause autism.

If I post, you call me an insane troll and tell me to get out, if I don't post and get out you call me a coward for Ignoring you. Nice "no-win" little box you've built there.

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First, this thread isn't about "conspiracies", but you have turned it into one.

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Second, you obviously have me confused with Olivia (if you read the post in the conspiracy thread). She is the one who has a Son who developed Autism from the vaccine. You obviously did not read, nor did you respond to any of our comments. This is how conversations always go with you.......round and round and round, and frankly, I find you exhausting!!

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And, actually, NO......you never provided appropriate links to prove your point, until I said something.

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I did not tell you to get out. Again, you have me confused with someone else! Yes, I said you ignored us, because you DID. You never responded to our original post in the conspiracy thread.

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No win box? What the hell is that?!

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Please, do me a great favor and IGNORE me for good. I am done with your nonsense!

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teach49 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Huh? Suspicious deaths occur every single day is this country and right in our own neighborhoods. Do you watch the news? I see no difference between the sudden/supicious death of a celebrity and a common citizen.

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I agree that Humans die and stars are human (rock stars), not the one's in our solar system though.

It happens all the time. I have a student this semester whose father died in similar circumstances to Prince -- taking far more of an opoiod that he ever took and enough that it would kill anyone. It took a couple of weeks but everyone became suspicious and a few weeks after that, the "girlfriend" was arrested for manslaughter.

He was out of it and she crushed a ton of pills and fed them to him "because he asked for them."

The only difference between my student's father and Prince -- aside from the musician/fame thing -- is that the dad was known to be addicted to painkillers.

Further, my cousin's husband allegedly committed suicide 40 years ago. Even though it was ruled a suicide, many family members don't agree because of how he was shot. It would have been very difficult for him to do it by himself.

I know this is anecdotal, but this happens a lot. When things don't add up, family and friends absolutely do try to figure it out with any theory they can muster that makes better sense.

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I am very sorry about your students father. That is a very heartbreaking and tragic story.

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I am also very sorry about your husband's cousin. My husbands uncle comitted suicide just 2-months after his father died from cancer. Losing a loved one is hard enough, and I think with a suicide, it leaves scars on the family forever, sadly.

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teach49 said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Huh? Suspicious deaths occur every single day is this country and right in our own neighborhoods. Do you watch the news? I see no difference between the sudden/supicious death of a celebrity and a common citizen.

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I agree that Humans die and stars are human (rock stars), not the one's in our solar system though.

It happens all the time. I have a student this semester whose father died in similar circumstances to Prince -- taking far more of an opoiod that he ever took and enough that it would kill anyone. It took a couple of weeks but everyone became suspicious and a few weeks after that, the "girlfriend" was arrested for manslaughter.

He was out of it and she crushed a ton of pills and fed them to him "because he asked for them."

The only difference between my student's father and Prince -- aside from the musician/fame thing -- is that the dad was known to be addicted to painkillers.

Further, my cousin's husband allegedly committed suicide 40 years ago. Even though it was ruled a suicide, many family members don't agree because of how he was shot. It would have been very difficult for him to do it by himself.

I know this is anecdotal, but this happens a lot. When things don't add up, family and friends absolutely do try to figure it out with any theory they can muster that makes better sense.

sure families do. but I've seen in the cases of a couple boxers who committed suicide, the families and large segments of their fans believe someone murdered them. Alexis Arguello had gotten into politics in his native country and some people think he was murdered. They point to how he was shot in the chest instead of the head. I think he killed himself. Arturro Gatti likewise killed himself and people blame his girlfriend for murdering him as if a woman could manhandle a former world champion, lift him off the floor and hang him. Even if he was passed out, i've looked at the evidence and it looks like a suicide to me. His fans and family still blame the woman.

at any rate, more answers will likely only come slowly, something looks like it's being covered up but it'll come out. I can't see Prince being such a raving drug addict that he'd completely lost his fucking mind and wouldn't heed the warning of a previous overdose (if that's what the moline incident was) and od'ing a couple days later and that's the whole story. Lots of people in the public eye do image management and it persists after they die. I've mentioned Walter Payton who's cancer was likely caused by pill abuse, I've mentioned bruce lee who they tried to say died of a pain pill but I haven't mentioned people like Miles Davis and Lyle Alzado, two guys who were rumoured to have died of aids and in Alzado's case, he covered it up by saying steroids caused his brain cancer. Steroids don't cause brain cancer as far as I know, but aids can. Tommy Morrison, the boxer, denied to the last that he had aids and spent the last year of his life laying up in a hospice before dying a couple years ago.

wavesofbliss said:

teach49 said:

It happens all the time. I have a student this semester whose father died in similar circumstances to Prince -- taking far more of an opoiod that he ever took and enough that it would kill anyone. It took a couple of weeks but everyone became suspicious and a few weeks after that, the "girlfriend" was arrested for manslaughter.

He was out of it and she crushed a ton of pills and fed them to him "because he asked for them."

The only difference between my student's father and Prince -- aside from the musician/fame thing -- is that the dad was known to be addicted to painkillers.

Further, my cousin's husband allegedly committed suicide 40 years ago. Even though it was ruled a suicide, many family members don't agree because of how he was shot. It would have been very difficult for him to do it by himself.

I know this is anecdotal, but this happens a lot. When things don't add up, family and friends absolutely do try to figure it out with any theory they can muster that makes better sense.

i agree completely which is why the family's response has been so confusing to me from day one. the police say it's and open homicide investigation and tyka says, "i knew it was coming." HUH? no scrambling to make sense of it? u have know for 2 yrs that ur brother's death would be the focus of a homicide investigation. WTF! does not compute!

i've wondered if tyka's "knew it was coming" was something that the advisors around her told her to say because of some of the fan grumbling about how nonchalante she was at the wake. You best believe she and Omar have people advising them on what to say and how to dress (along with everything else). Omar, when we first saw him, looked pretty much homeless, now he's dressed up and going to award shows. So many people are saying so many things and not giving any details that i've kinda given up on answers coming from the people around him, i don't think they even know what was going on.

herb4 said:

cloveringold85 said:

teach49 said:

It happens all the time. I have a student this semester whose father died in similar circumstances to Prince -- taking far more of an opoiod that he ever took and enough that it would kill anyone. It took a couple of weeks but everyone became suspicious and a few weeks after that, the "girlfriend" was arrested for manslaughter.

He was out of it and she crushed a ton of pills and fed them to him "because he asked for them."

The only difference between my student's father and Prince -- aside from the musician/fame thing -- is that the dad was known to be addicted to painkillers.

Further, my cousin's husband allegedly committed suicide 40 years ago. Even though it was ruled a suicide, many family members don't agree because of how he was shot. It would have been very difficult for him to do it by himself.

I know this is anecdotal, but this happens a lot. When things don't add up, family and friends absolutely do try to figure it out with any theory they can muster that makes better sense.

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I am very sorry about your students father. That is a very heartbreaking and tragic story.

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I am also very sorry about your husband's cousin. My husbands uncle comitted suicide just 2-months after his father died from cancer. Losing a loved one is hard enough, and I think with a suicide, it leaves scars on the family forever, sadly.

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Thank you, Clover. Being a teacher can be heartbreaking, especially when students work so desperately to keep up in such circumstances. I teach at a university so I have a lot of freedom to work it out with students in these situatinos. My cousin, unfortunately, never really recovered. Very sad.

PeteSilas said:

wavesofbliss said:

i agree completely which is why the family's response has been so confusing to me from day one. the police say it's and open homicide investigation and tyka says, "i knew it was coming." HUH? no scrambling to make sense of it? u have know for 2 yrs that ur brother's death would be the focus of a homicide investigation. WTF! does not compute!

i've wondered if tyka's "knew it was coming" was something that the advisors around her told her to say because of some of the fan grumbling about how nonchalante she was at the wake. You best believe she and Omar have people advising them on what to say and how to dress (along with everything else). Omar, when we first saw him, looked pretty much homeless, now he's dressed up and going to award shows. So many people are saying so many things and not giving any details that i've kinda given up on answers coming from the people around him, i don't think they even know what was going on.

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Ya know, I'm gonna be blunt here, so forgive me. I am so damn sick and tired of all these people putting out cryptic messages/tweets and whatever! They need to STOP with that nonsense already! Prince has been gone for 8-months now, and they are putting out little tidbits of information, and WTF are we supposed to do with that?! If people have pertinent information concerning the death of Prince, they should be talking to the autorities, not putting it out on social media. I know they are hurting -- we are all hurting and lashing out at each other because we do not have all the facts. Will we ever know what happened to Prince? Unfortunately, no.

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I agree with what you are saying -- You know Tyka was told what to say, and so were her siblings. Like many people have said here -- if you are going to say something, then say it!! If not, then zip it! LOL

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We don't need any more misinformation!

wavesofbliss said:

teach49 said:

It happens all the time. I have a student this semester whose father died in similar circumstances to Prince -- taking far more of an opoiod that he ever took and enough that it would kill anyone. It took a couple of weeks but everyone became suspicious and a few weeks after that, the "girlfriend" was arrested for manslaughter.

He was out of it and she crushed a ton of pills and fed them to him "because he asked for them."

The only difference between my student's father and Prince -- aside from the musician/fame thing -- is that the dad was known to be addicted to painkillers.

Further, my cousin's husband allegedly committed suicide 40 years ago. Even though it was ruled a suicide, many family members don't agree because of how he was shot. It would have been very difficult for him to do it by himself.

I know this is anecdotal, but this happens a lot. When things don't add up, family and friends absolutely do try to figure it out with any theory they can muster that makes better sense.

i agree completely which is why the family's response has been so confusing to me from day one. the police say it's and open homicide investigation and tyka says, "i knew it was coming." HUH? no scrambling to make sense of it? u have know for 2 yrs that ur brother's death would be the focus of a homicide investigation. WTF! does not compute!

Why has the family response been confusing? Tyka was asked a question and she directly answered it. Perhaps once again she knew he was ill and his actual death had nothing to do with illness and more to do with homicide. The family is not going to say anything while the homicide investigation is still open. I am sure the police have asked them to keep quiet until the investigation is completed.

i didn't think it was confusing, i thought it was wierd. "not hard at all" i've lost a sibling and even though i knew it was coming, for years actually, it still had me not wanting to be around nobody. I would never say it "wasn't hard at all" in a chipper voice. Like i say though, i am sure she has image people around her advising her every move, wardrobe and i'm even sure that they are looking on the org and reading about how people didn't like how she told people to go home while she was eating jalapeno cheetos. It's wierd, but not knowing the family dynamic and knowing prince was pretty wierd himself, maybe she was like him in many ways. I've seen some familes who are all alike in how they react to shit, so maybe it's a family thing too.

PeteSilas said:

i didn't think it was confusing, i thought it was wierd. "not hard at all" i've lost a sibling and even though i knew it was coming, for years actually, it still had me not wanting to be around nobody. I would never say it "wasn't hard at all" in a chipper voice. Like i say though, i am sure she has image people around her advising her every move, wardrobe and i'm even sure that they are looking on the org and reading about how people didn't like how she told people to go home while she was eating jalapeno cheetos. It's wierd, but not knowing the family dynamic and knowing prince was pretty wierd himself, maybe she was like him in many ways. I've seen some familes who are all alike in how they react to shit, so maybe it's a family thing too.

It's possible that it was just a weird reaction; that's true. But I remember her saying that she didn't feel like he was gone when she first heard. She went to PP and felt his presence so strongly that she felt he was there. I think she said this in a recorded interview not long before the press junket. Then, in the first interview of that junket, she was asked that question and said it wasn't hard at all, "it" being the moments right after his death when she felt his presence. By the end of the press tour (a day or two later), she was saying that it was just recently beginning to sink in and it was hitting her hard. I think we're just seeing the process of grief in someone who believes, strongly, in an afterlife. I think it began to hit her when she had to speak to the press repeatedly about PP being a museum.

I also think there might have been a bit of video editing as well. In the same converation, she spoke of how easy it was to pull the museum together...because P had planned it himself. As usual, he had thought of everything so planning the museum wasn't hard. It seemed that she was clearly talking about he death when she said it wasn't hard, but she said it about the museum thing, too, so sometimes I wonder how much was taken out of context. It's hard to say with a short interview like that.

I can't imagine grieving publicly like she has had to do. And, then, she's his sister so they may just have a different way (he certainly did about death).

ya, i'm not trying to be one of those people who says "look at her, she ain't even crying" I'm not meaning it like that. and yes, the public shit is just a ridicluous addition to what most people get to do in private. it happened with michael too, everyone is going "so and so didn't care and so and so actually does" or whatever. i just think the reactions are just kind of wierd that's all. But maybe that's a family trait, i remember prince being what psychologist would call "flattened affect" or "schizoid" maybe it's a family trait.We know there is some dysfunction there. Like Gene Hackman said in that movie "everyone grieves differently".

PeteSilas said:

ya, i'm not trying to be one of those people who says "look at her, she ain't even crying" I'm not meaning it like that. and yes, the public shit is just a ridicluous addition to what most people get to do in private. it happened with michael too, everyone is going "so and so didn't care and so and so actually does" or whatever. i just think the reactions are just kind of wierd that's all. But maybe that's a family trait, i remember prince being what psychologist would call "flattened affect" or "schizoid" maybe it's a family trait.We know there is some dysfunction there. Like Gene Hackman said in that movie "everyone grieves differently".

I hear ya. I feel the same way. People are just different about things some times (and P was no exception).. I'm sure that whatever Tyka meant by anything she has said, this has been difficult for her.

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TrivialPursuit said:

PeteSilas said:

uhh, sometimes things take time,

I never put a timeline on grief, but truth is immediate for that timeline to even exist.

Amen, amen!

PeteSilas said:

i didn't think it was confusing, i thought it was wierd. "not hard at all" i've lost a sibling and even though i knew it was coming, for years actually, it still had me not wanting to be around nobody. I would never say it "wasn't hard at all" in a chipper voice. Like i say though, i am sure she has image people around her advising her every move, wardrobe and i'm even sure that they are looking on the org and reading about how people didn't like how she told people to go home while she was eating jalapeno cheetos. It's wierd, but not knowing the family dynamic and knowing prince was pretty wierd himself, maybe she was like him in many ways. I've seen some familes who are all alike in how they react to shit, so maybe it's a family thing too.

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I agree; it could just be the way their family has always communicated, as strange as it seems.

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Tyka's comments have been a big discussion here. If you saw her interview on ET and the one she gave on the Today Show; she acted completely different. I want to give her the benefit of the doubt and think that maybe she was still in shock over her brother's sudden death. Everyone grieves differently. When my Mom died, I took it really hard, while my sister (older by 2-years) didn't seem to show much emotion.

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But like you said, Tyka and her family were probably told what to say and her appearances on TV were scripted; she knew what was going to be asked and how she would answer.

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Just my 2-cents.

teach49 said:

PeteSilas said:

i didn't think it was confusing, i thought it was wierd. "not hard at all" i've lost a sibling and even though i knew it was coming, for years actually, it still had me not wanting to be around nobody. I would never say it "wasn't hard at all" in a chipper voice. Like i say though, i am sure she has image people around her advising her every move, wardrobe and i'm even sure that they are looking on the org and reading about how people didn't like how she told people to go home while she was eating jalapeno cheetos. It's wierd, but not knowing the family dynamic and knowing prince was pretty wierd himself, maybe she was like him in many ways. I've seen some familes who are all alike in how they react to shit, so maybe it's a family thing too.

It's possible that it was just a weird reaction; that's true. But I remember her saying that she didn't feel like he was gone when she first heard. She went to PP and felt his presence so strongly that she felt he was there. I think she said this in a recorded interview not long before the press junket. Then, in the first interview of that junket, she was asked that question and said it wasn't hard at all, "it" being the moments right after his death when she felt his presence. By the end of the press tour (a day or two later), she was saying that it was just recently beginning to sink in and it was hitting her hard. I think we're just seeing the process of grief in someone who believes, strongly, in an afterlife. I think it began to hit her when she had to speak to the press repeatedly about PP being a museum.

I also think there might have been a bit of video editing as well. In the same converation, she spoke of how easy it was to pull the museum together...because P had planned it himself. As usual, he had thought of everything so planning the museum wasn't hard. It seemed that she was clearly talking about he death when she said it wasn't hard, but she said it about the museum thing, too, so sometimes I wonder how much was taken out of context. It's hard to say with a short interview like that.

I can't imagine grieving publicly like she has had to do. And, then, she's his sister so they may just have a different way (he certainly did about death).

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^^my thoughts, exactly.^^

PeteSilas said:

ya, i'm not trying to be one of those people who says "look at her, she ain't even crying" I'm not meaning it like that. and yes, the public shit is just a ridicluous addition to what most people get to do in private. it happened with michael too, everyone is going "so and so didn't care and so and so actually does" or whatever. i just think the reactions are just kind of wierd that's all. But maybe that's a family trait, i remember prince being what psychologist would call "flattened affect" or "schizoid" maybe it's a family trait.We know there is some dysfunction there. Like Gene Hackman said in that movie "everyone grieves differently".

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I give Tyka the benefit of the doubt, because I know when my Mom died, my emotions were like a roller coaster. The grief comes in waves. At the time Tyka sat down and gave that interview with ET & Today Show, she was probably in a different frame of mind. Sometimes, when someone is sitting in front of you, and you have to speak, your true grief does not come through. I'm sure she has moments when she completely breaks-down, I know I did when I lost my Mom.

not having privacy in family death situations has been horrible for me and I didn't have cameras fucking around when my people were dead or dying. Just not even getting to be alone without some nurse coming in every 2 seconds was enough to ruin the last moments i had with my mom. If you had to add cameras and thousands of viewers speculating on if my grief was genuine or if i cried enough for you or too much and i was acting, just ridiculous. Maybe someday we'll see the folly of celebrity.

yesterday i was rewatching footage of bruce lee's funeral, my mentor was there as a pallbearer but he didn't speak, james coburn and steve mcqueen were there and Coburn gave a little speech with delivery befitting the actor he was. I'm sure he felt something but the cameras probably had him pulling out his acting chops and the sotto voce, do i think that was real? fuck no. does it matter? not really. they're both dead now, life is short, it's hard but i try to focus on things that do matter.