darkroman said:

rogifan said:

Wait until she dies. She will be lauded in the media as much as Michael and Prince were.

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Yes, she will. And even more than Prince. Madonna is an icon, a very intelligent businesswoman, good singer, did lots to empower women, etc, but when it comes to genius, she doesnt compare musically and she knows it (and every musician).

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Anyway, it has NOTHING to do with this thread point. I am only commenting this because I cant believe some of the comments I am reading here.

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darkroman said:

206Michelle said:

Just as an FYI, she is not criticising Prince here. Sometimes it seems if someone dares mention Prince's name without dropping to their feet in reverence then the purple brainwashed can't wait to pounce on them. I don't really give a fuck about Madonna either way but there's a lot of this on here. The threads about Mayte, Mani et all used to be savage.

NouveauDance said:

Just as an FYI, she is not criticising Prince here. Sometimes it seems if someone dares mention Prince's name without dropping to their feet in reverence then the purple brainwashed can't wait to pounce on them. I don't really give a fuck about Madonna either way but there's a lot of this on here. The threads about Mayte, Mani et all used to be savage.

I agree with the bolded. As for the so called purple brainwashed that statement could apply to every fan of every artist ever.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Strive said:

Everything bad in the world happens because of sexism. Hillary lost the election because she has a vagina, not because she was a terrible centrist candidate. Everybody gives Madonna shit because she has a vagina, not because she's still trying to pretend to be a sex icon at 60. Prince got a free pass for showing part of his ass because he's a man while Madonna got crucified for releasing a sex book with full frontal photos and a biker eating her out.

Total double standard

Trippy how that happened...isn't it?

Knew a lot of guys (contemporaries) in the 80s who loved to hate Madonna. Straight guys. They couldn't stand that she went for it and had power. Most of the complaining was bitchy and silly. Remember being surprised at how stupid they sounded. I thought she was scrappy good.

Her sex book was a direct rip off of work a visual artist, Cindy Sherman, was doing using herself in photos. Naked hitchhiking was one of them. She was a gallery star. So in NYC there was a buzz about that in the art world - that a pop singer would blow that up and if it was ok.

FunkOnTheOne said:

Just wondered what everybody made of these comments.

http://www.usatoday.com/s.../95220036/

She compared her treatment in the media to Prince's, a similarly audacious artist who she claimed was celebrated, not condemned, for his sexually adventurous persona. "I was called a whore and a witch. One headline compared me to Satan. And I said, 'Wait a minute, isn't Prince running around with fishnets and high heels and lipstick with his butt hanging out?,'" she said. "Yes, he was, but he was a man."

NOBODY said "She can't do that but it's OK for Prince". The same people calling her a whore were calling Prince a pervert. (Darling Nikki).

If anything Prince's image hurt his career in terms of sales. The headlines Madonna got (deliberately on her part) helped her sell records.

When Prince turned up on the Lovesexy cover naked, he got the same criticism. When he turned up on MTV with his arse out, he got the same criticism.

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Noodled24 said:

rogifan said:

206Michelle said:

I agree with Madonna with regard to there being a double standard for men and women when it comes to sexual promiscuity and sexually explicit music. She is right about that. However, Prince did receive a lot of criticism for the sexual nature of some of his songs. "Darling Nikki" was #1 on the filthy 15 list. Madonna's "Dress You Up" was #8, although it is much less explicit than "Darling Nikki." I was born in 1986, so I can't speak in detail about how society and the media treated Madonna and Prince during the mid 80s, because I wasn't alive or I was an infant. She is right about there being a double standard, but Prince received his fair share of criticism also.

Do you have some examples of this so-called double standard?

Yes, I do.

Science Confirms It’s Pretty Much Impossible For Women To Avoid Being Judged On Their Sexuality:

https://thinkprogress.org/science-confirms-its-pretty-much-impossible-for-women-to-avoid-being-judged-on-their-sexuality-29ccb917707c#.7zvga3c0i

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Iggy Azalea Sums Up the Music Industry's Ridiculous Double Standard for Women:

https://mic.com/articles/88481/iggy-azalea-sums-up-the-music-industry-s-ridiculous-double-standard-for-women?utm_source=huffpost&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=partner#.4wsRiYTW9

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Miley Cyrus and Pop Music's Double Standard:

http://www.relevantmagazine.com/culture/miley-cyrus-and-pop-musics-double-standard

NouveauDance said:

Madonna & Prince: two completely different artists. Nuff said!

She is partly right and partly wrong..

I am a more recent convert to Prince. And I was shocked how dirty he was. I remember thinking about Madonna being controversial because of her sexuality and being surprised that as a kid, I hadn't heard much about Prince's dirtiness.

That being said, the criticism of Prince's open sexuality came in a much more indirect way...homophobic slurs. People assuming Prince was a homosexual because of his embrace of sexuality (a vulnerable type sexualtiy at that) and the feminine side of his nature led many to gay bash him ( a straight male). This type of discrimination Madonna never faced. Plus, she never got the treatment Prince received when he opened for the Rolling Stones.

A lot of macho straight men seem to hate soft pretty boys who slink around in a sexual way. A lot of male artist sing about notches on their bedpost, but they don't sing seductively. Prince did and was mocked for it by some men at the time.

Madonna got it from the Puritan-types. Prince got it from the insecure men and homophobes.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

darkroman said:

laurarichardson said:

darkroman said:

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With the exception of Breakfast Can Wait!

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I've always found that song embarrassing - particularly at Prince's age. I'd thought he had moved on from such things but had slipped back on that track.

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--- Nothing embarrassing it is sexy without being raunchy. A lesson that old bitch Madonna should learn from.

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^^ Yeah, Prince was sexy. Madonna was just straight-up nasty!!

There is a double standard. Women are judged much more harshly than men, especially with regard to sexuality.

Im not a fan, but I recognize her incredible impact and influence in pop music. She is pop music royalty, whether you like it or not. That is not debatable.

Regarding her ability to write, produce, compose, etc..., of course she was not on the level of Prince, but not many were/are.

DarkKnight1 said:

There is a double standard. Women are judged much more harshly than men, especially with regard to sexuality.

Im not a fan, but I recognize her incredible impact and influence in pop music. She is pop music royalty, whether you like it or not. That is not debatable.

Regarding her ability to write, produce, compose, etc..., of course she was not on the level of Prince, but not many were/are.

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True. However, with Prince being a Male, his sexuality came across as being too feminine and/or gay, so many people didn't know what to make of him. And, I think he was okay with that.

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Keep 'em guessing!

DarkKnight1 said:

There is a double standard. Women are judged much more harshly than men, especially with regard to sexuality.

Im not a fan, but I recognize her incredible impact and influence in pop music. She is pop music royalty, whether you like it or not. That is not debatable.

Regarding her ability to write, produce, compose, etc..., of course she was not on the level of Prince, but not many were/are.

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- I have the same opinion