Best engineered? Talk to the hand!!

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donnyenglish said:

Bieber and Drake were nominated over Phase 2. Seriously?

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Yea, a damn shame.

Guitarhero said:

GustavoRibas said:

Bowie got snubbed too

http://ultimateclassicroc...e-snubbed/

Proves the Grammys are meaningless now and should never be talked about again.

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Me too!

endiadj said:

Face it, Prince was never beloved, probably barely respected, by the industry, it seems despite his outrageous talent. [Edited 12/6/16 10:00am]

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Jealousy. No one else can even come close to the level of talent Prince had.

PennyPurple said:

1Sasha said:

I hate to say it but I think Beyonce will sweep everything with "Lemonade." Rolling Stone named it the best album of the year, the Grammys will follow. Makes me sick, but that's the way it is.

I know, I've had about enough of Queen Bey.

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Yea, and you know that was all a publicity stunt, and she released her album when Prince died and exclusively on Tidal, which is owned by the Carters!

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Even Kanye said it. Beyonce won't perform at the Grammy's unless she WON.

Guitarhero said:

PennyPurple said:

Bowie got nominated several times.

I'm sure Gustavo is talking about the Album of the year category only. Bieber over Bowie really?

I agree. Bieber will never be in the same league as Bowie or Prince.

cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

I know, I've had about enough of Queen Bey.

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Yea, and you know that was all a publicity stunt, and she released her album when Prince died and exclusively on Tidal, which is owned by the Carters!

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Even Kanye said it. Beyonce won't perform at the Grammy's unless she WON.

Yep. Kanye wasn't crazy, Kanye knows.

I will never buy, stream, anything from JayZ, Beyonce, or Tidal again. They are Thieves in the Temple.

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Yea, and you know that was all a publicity stunt, and she released her album when Prince died and exclusively on Tidal, which is owned by the Carters!

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Even Kanye said it. Beyonce won't perform at the Grammy's unless she WON.

Yep. Kanye wasn't crazy, Kanye knows.

I will never buy, stream, anything from JayZ, Beyonce, or Tidal again. They are Thieves in the Temple.

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Kanye has issues, but I think there was some truth to what he said about JayZ.

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It's all about the $$$$.

PennyPurple said:

Guitarhero said:

I'm sure Gustavo is talking about the Album of the year category only. Bieber over Bowie really?

I agree. Bieber will never be in the same league as Bowie or Prince.

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And, Beibs is telling his fans not to scream at his concerts, LMAO!!

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He's starting to sound like a grumpy old man already! LMAO!!

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cloveringold85 said:

PennyPurple said:

I agree. Bieber will never be in the same league as Bowie or Prince.

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And, Beibs is telling his fans not to scream at his concerts, LMAO!!

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He's starting to sound like a grumpy old man already! LMAO!!

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Bieber is such a

PennyPurple said:

cloveringold85 said:

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And, Beibs is telling his fans not to scream at his concerts, LMAO!!

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He's starting to sound like a grumpy old man already! LMAO!!

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Bieber is such a

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Waaah, don't take pictures of me, NO! Don't yell, no!!

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The Grammys are from an industry that Prince was consistently dismissive of, whether on the business end in regards to the record companies, the streaming services, the music media who he treated with arrogance most of his career (not to say I don't blame him at times), etc. I do think they (including the critics) did not like how he came across interpersonally and image wise and skewered him repeatedly and gleefully when his creative output faltered from his heyday in the 80s. I think the extremely low metacritic score for HnR2 and most of his newer material is reflective of that. Even AOA was out-rated by dozens of mediocre albums the year it was released. I don't think that any of his post 1980s would necessarily been viewed as album of the year by non-fans, which I have no problem with. What ticks me off is that I don't think they were approached by a open mind by many (including fans). Similarly, I don't think it even entered their minds to consider HnR2 for a serious Grammy nomination. I would be surprised if most of them even listened to it. I am not saying that it would have gotten many awards it they had given it serious consideration, but I still think some of this comes from being as dismissive towards Prince as he was towards them (at least earlier in his career). It is even more unlikely they seriously listened to all the songs closely to see if any would be designated for a best R&B song. For a more beloved genius artist, I think every effort would have been given to see if any of the most recent material merited a posthumous nomination. While I think a valid argument could be made that HitNRun2 wasn't one of the 5 best albums of the year, it is hard for me to believe that songs nominated are all better than Black Muse or Revelation, even to non-fans. Sorry for the harangue, but this just has me ! Consolation comes from knowing that Prince probably didn't care about this stuff!

Addendum: I forgot to mentiion that the songs and albums are often promoted by the record companies to be considered for being nominated. Who wants to bet Prince got a lot of promotion in this way !

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donnyenglish said:

Bieber and Drake were nominated over Phase 2. Seriously?

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- Let´s face it. Grammys arent about the ´Best Album´ technically speaking. They get the ´hottest´ albums of the year and choose the ´best´. Sometimes, they choose the best. Other times - most of the times - dont. And honestly, Drake and Beyonce´s albums had such big impact on the industry this year. Saw several critics praising Beyonce and both Beyonce and Drake were in the top of the charts for a while, something that didnt happen to Phase 2. The critics werent too enthusiasmed about it too.

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Having said that, I love Phase 2, but I dont think it´s a great album for non fans. Didnt hear Blackstar yet, but Esperanza´s is great album in every sense of the word: daring, good compositions, arrangements, etc.

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PennyPurple said:

No one will ever be in that league. I sometimes pretend that Prince is in that league all by himself, but Bowie was a bad ass too. We lost two treasures.

donnyenglish said:

PennyPurple said:

I agree. Bieber will never be in the same league as Bowie or Prince.

No one will ever be in that league. I sometimes pretend that Prince is in that league all by himself, but Bowie was a bad ass too. We lost two treasures.

Yep, 2016 has truly sucked for the music world.

gandorb said:

The Grammys are from an industry that Prince was consistently dismissive of, whether on the business end in regards to the record companies, the streaming services, the music media who he treated with arrogance most of his career (not to say I don't blame him at times), etc. I do think they (including the critics) did not like how he came across interpersonally and image wise and skewered him repeatedly and gleefully when his creative output faltered from his heyday in the 80s. I think the extremely low metacritic score for HnR2 and most of his newer material is reflective of that. Even AOA was out-rated by dozens of mediocre albums the year it was released. I don't think that any of his post 1980s would necessarily been viewed as album of the year by non-fans, which I have no problem with. What ticks me off is that I don't think they were approached by a open mind by many (including fans). Similarly, I don't think it even entered their minds to consider HnR2 for a serious Grammy nomination. I would be surprised if most of them even listened to it. I am not saying that it would have gotten many awards it they had given it serious consideration, but I still think some of this comes from being as dismissive towards Prince as he was towards them (at least earlier in his career). It is even more unlikely they seriously listened to all the songs closely to see if any would be designated for a best R&B song. For a more beloved genius artist, I think every effort would have been given to see if any of the most recent material merited a posthumous nomination. While I think a valid argument could be made that HitNRun2 wasn't one of the 5 best albums of the year, it is hard for me to believe that songs nominated are all better than Black Muse or Revelation, even to non-fans. Sorry for the harangue, but this just has me ! Consolation comes from knowing that Prince probably didn't care about this stuff!

Addendum: I forgot to mentiion that the songs and albums are often promoted by the record companies to be considered for being nominated. Who wants to bet Prince got a lot of promotion in this way !

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^^^^Very well said!!^^^^

donnyenglish said:

PennyPurple said:

I agree. Bieber will never be in the same league as Bowie or Prince.

No one will ever be in that league. I sometimes pretend that Prince is in that league all by himself, but Bowie was a bad ass too. We lost two treasures.

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Amen!! There will never be another Prince or Bowie. They are in a class by themselves!

cloveringold85 said:

gandorb said:

The Grammys are from an industry that Prince was consistently dismissive of, whether on the business end in regards to the record companies, the streaming services, the music media who he treated with arrogance most of his career (not to say I don't blame him at times), etc. I do think they (including the critics) did not like how he came across interpersonally and image wise and skewered him repeatedly and gleefully when his creative output faltered from his heyday in the 80s. I think the extremely low metacritic score for HnR2 and most of his newer material is reflective of that. Even AOA was out-rated by dozens of mediocre albums the year it was released. I don't think that any of his post 1980s would necessarily been viewed as album of the year by non-fans, which I have no problem with. What ticks me off is that I don't think they were approached by a open mind by many (including fans). Similarly, I don't think it even entered their minds to consider HnR2 for a serious Grammy nomination. I would be surprised if most of them even listened to it. I am not saying that it would have gotten many awards it they had given it serious consideration, but I still think some of this comes from being as dismissive towards Prince as he was towards them (at least earlier in his career). It is even more unlikely they seriously listened to all the songs closely to see if any would be designated for a best R&B song. For a more beloved genius artist, I think every effort would have been given to see if any of the most recent material merited a posthumous nomination. While I think a valid argument could be made that HitNRun2 wasn't one of the 5 best albums of the year, it is hard for me to believe that songs nominated are all better than Black Muse or Revelation, even to non-fans. Sorry for the harangue, but this just has me ! Consolation comes from knowing that Prince probably didn't care about this stuff!

Addendum: I forgot to mentiion that the songs and albums are often promoted by the record companies to be considered for being nominated. Who wants to bet Prince got a lot of promotion in this way !

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^^^^Very well said!!^^^^

Thanks.

cloveringold85 said:

donnyenglish said:

PennyPurple said: No one will ever be in that league. I sometimes pretend that Prince is in that league all by himself, but Bowie was a bad ass too. We lost two treasures.

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Amen!! There will never be another Prince or Bowie. They are in a class by themselves!

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Very true!

PennyPurple said:

Honestly Bieber had a solid pop album. ..he makes me sick but the album was good. Drakes album was shit though. Truly garbage. Like somebody else has said...Prince likely wouldn't give a fuck if he was still here. We know he wasnt into their games so lets take it with a grain of salt.

rogifan said:

donnyenglish said:

Okay. Then no way he doesnt win album of the yeae. Black Muse, Stare, Revelation, Baltimore, etc. Nothing else comes close.

Haha no, never happening. I just hope it gets nominated for something. And I'd be ecstatic if Black Muse won something.

Really - because I saw an article TODAY that says it is nominated, I will try to find it - i was on the bus

Guitarhero said:

GustavoRibas said:

Bowie got snubbed too

http://ultimateclassicroc...e-snubbed/

Proves the Grammys are meaningless now and should never be talked about again.

[Edited 12/6/16 7:23am]

It's garbage

1Sasha said:

The most you will see of Prince at the Grammys is either in the "In Memoriam" segment or a dedicated tribute. Other than that, zilch unless some performer gets up there and talks about him.

They SHOULD give him a lifetime achievement award but they are blind by dollar signs rather than ACTUAL good music

cloveringold85 said:

Best engineered? Talk to the hand!!

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Exactly