LittleProfessor said:

OperatingThetan said:

OperatingThetan said:

LittleProfessor said:

That 90 days would have been up in December 2015 - when Prince was still able to file a claim himself against Tidal. Do you think anyone would've kept his music up against contract while he was alive? His lawsuits were well known, so this sounds to me like Londell and Koppellman being sloppy again. (See: Tribute concert organization; rezoning for Paisley Park).

Exactly. This is bs. Prince was still working with Tidal the Monday before his passing in April, when he delivered Black Sweat live from Atlanta exclusively to the service. There's no way Tidal had violated Prince's terms at that juncture and there is plenty of evidence to prove it. [Edited 11/20/16 18:30pm]

I agree with you both. Prince definitely had an agreement with Tidal and the fact he tweeted links to Tidal ALL THE TIME tells me everything was harmonious between them.

All this shade being thrown at Jay-Z is ridiculous.

oliviacamron said:

oliviacamron said:

airth said:

Poorlovelycomputer said:

It is funny how Prince passes away after starting this informal business relationship with Jay.I admit I've enjoyed some of his music but I've never trusted him like most of us dont.We all know a star is worth more dead. Been a Prince fan for 36 years but I have Spotify premium because something about the whole Jay Z/tidal thing has never felt right regardless of the sound quality or not. [Edited 11/15/16 2:43am]

Someone help me with my reading comprehension. Did Jay-Z just get implicated in Prince's death? Seriously? Someone needs to pull your plug, Poorlonelycomputer.

Jz is suspicious and his demon wife. They are part of the Illuminati with Warners so why couldn't they have been in it together?

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[Edited 11/21/16 16:40pm]

^^^Oh FFS.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-05-28/why-jay-z-s-tidal-streaming-music-service-has-been-a-disaster

zenarose said:

OperatingThetan said:

beautyunaffected said:

OperatingThetan said:

Despite what the Estate may or may not be saying, Prince was clearly working happily with Tidal right up until his passing. Even on the Monday before his death he gave Tidal 'Black Sweat' from Atlanta as the Purple Pick.

Right now, I'd trust Tidal more than the Estate, since Prince actually chose Tidal for a working relationship. The Estate however, is a different story...

Agreed. I think something else bigger is going down for the estate to suddenly claim this. These albums have been streaming since June 7th.. why is it that something suddenly being said about this? I will say this since Prince's passing i am shocked that Tidal, Jay-Z/Beyonce hasn't done some sort of tribute for Prince.. a little concert, something? You would think after everything he did to support this shitty streaming service that is the least they could do.

Such myopia. As much as he meant to us, the world kept spinning when Prince died, Fam. And I doubt his support had as much impact as you believe. It certianly didn't move the needle the way Rihanna and Kanye's albums did.

TwiliteKid said:

TwiliteKid said:

beautyunaffected said:

OperatingThetan said: Agreed. I think something else bigger is going down for the estate to suddenly claim this. These albums have been streaming since June 7th.. why is it that something suddenly being said about this? I will say this since Prince's passing i am shocked that Tidal, Jay-Z/Beyonce hasn't done some sort of tribute for Prince.. a little concert, something? You would think after everything he did to support this shitty streaming service that is the least they could do.

Such myopia. As much as he meant to us, the world kept spinning when Prince died, Fam. And I doubt his support had as much impact as you believe. It certianly didn't move the needle the way Rihanna and Kanye's albums did.

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They don't care about doing any tributes to Prince. They just want the MONEY.

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In times like these, you see people's "true" colors.

cloveringold85 said:

TwiliteKid said:

Such myopia. As much as he meant to us, the world kept spinning when Prince died, Fam. And I doubt his support had as much impact as you believe. It certianly didn't move the needle the way Rihanna and Kanye's albums did.

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They don't care about doing any tributes to Prince. They just want the MONEY.

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In times like these, you see people's "true" colors.

Indeed... I certainly have. Wish he never paired up with these folks.

cloveringold85 said:

beautyunaffected said:

I believe that the 'tribute' Tidal would want to do at this stage would be to release a new Prince album to compete with 4EVER.
More than that, I suspect that it was on the cards when they received the blocking lawsuit they're now looking to sidestep by getting their entitlement verified in court.

In the meantime all of this 'So and so and such and such snubbed Prince by not including a tribute' etc etc seems to be oblivious to the general opinion that the big tributes earlier in the year were a suckfest and that only the tributes by the 'folks in the house' matter.

I'm really getting pretty fed up with those whose 'grief' has become as entitled as others' (if it WAS others) HATE used to be.

How about a nice cup of STFU?

XSX said:

I believe that the 'tribute' Tidal would want to do at this stage would be to release a new Prince album to compete with 4EVER.
More than that, I suspect that it was on the cards when they received the blocking lawsuit they're now looking to sidestep by getting their entitlement verified in court.

In the meantime all of this 'So and so and such and such snubbed Prince by not including a tribute' etc etc seems to be oblivious to the general opinion that the big tributes earlier in the year were a suckfest and that only the tributes by the 'folks in the house' matter.

I'm really getting pretty fed up with those whose 'grief' has become as entitled as others' (if it WAS others) HATE used to be.

How about a nice cup of STFU?

Agreed.

Tidal were already celebrating Prince before he died by agreeing to his terms and making his new material available. Without Tidal, I doubt we would ever have heard either of the HitnRun albums or any of the other exclusive tracks he delivered to the service, one of which (Black Sweat Live in Atlanta) appeared on the Monday before his passing.

XSX said:

I believe that the 'tribute' Tidal would want to do at this stage would be to release a new Prince album to compete with 4EVER.

Well at this point they are deleting albums instead of adding new ones, so it doesn't look good.

skipthecharades said:

XSX said:

I believe that the 'tribute' Tidal would want to do at this stage would be to release a new Prince album to compete with 4EVER.

Well at this point they are deleting albums instead of adding new ones, so it doesn't look good.

Not seeing that my end. There are still at least 40 Prince albums available there. If any were to be taken down, I was anticipating TGE would be one as it has had a chequered history on rights but it's still there.
I don't expect Tidal to fold on their entitlement until they get a response to their petition to the court in Minnesota.

And my money's on their entitlement being confirmed.

The Bremer suit 'on behalf of' NPG seems to me to be an attempt to circumvent 'the course of dealings' with Tidal that was in effect and developing while Prince was in control.

The fact that they're asking for a jury trial seems to me to indicate that the suit is a public relations exercise designed to thwart Prince's 'will' on this matter in favour of the 'will' of Bremer to enter into the Universal deal they announced (also, in my view, as a public relations exercise).

I am no lawyer but expect this to be judged accordingly as a fanciful attempt to cicumvent Prince himself by introducing the 'judgement' of a jury which could be manipulated into seeing Tidal as an interloper rather than his appointed ally.

And without signing up to Conspiracy LLC, all of a sudden I am "suspicious' of that purple handkerchief in Maurice's pocket in the photo where Jay Z appears to be pointing to it nor did I like his wearing of a purple suit at the awards the other night.

As a matter of curiosity, does anybody happen to know when that photo of Jay Z and Maurice was taken?

[Edited 11/28/16 8:02am]

skipthecharades said:

XSX said:

I believe that the 'tribute' Tidal would want to do at this stage would be to release a new Prince album to compete with 4EVER.

Well at this point they are deleting albums instead of adding new ones, so it doesn't look good.

Because they have no new material they were getting the material from Prince.

XSX said:

skipthecharades said:

Well at this point they are deleting albums instead of adding new ones, so it doesn't look good.

Not seeing that my end. There are still at least 40 Prince albums available there. If any were to be taken down, I was anticipating TGE would be one as it has had a chequered history on rights but it's still there.
I don't expect Tidal to fold on their entitlement until they get a response to their petition to the court in Minnesota.

And my money's on their entitlement being confirmed.

The Bremer suit 'on behalf of' NPG seems to me to be an attempt to circumvent 'the course of dealings' with Tidal that was in effect and developing while Prince was in control.

The fact that they're asking for a jury trial seems to me to indicate that the suit is a public relations exercise designed to thwart Prince's 'will' on this matter in favour of the 'will' of Bremer to enter into the Universal deal they announced (also, in my view, as a public relations exercise).

I am no lawyer but expect this to be judged accordingly as a fanciful attempt to cicumvent Prince himself by introducing the 'judgement' of a jury which could be manipulated into seeing Tidal as an interloper rather than his appointed ally.

And without signing up to Conspiracy LLC, all of a sudden I am "suspicious' of that purple handkerchief in Maurice's pocket in the photo where Jay Z appears to be pointing to it nor did I like his wearing of a purple suit at the awards the other night.

As a matter of curiosity, does anybody happen to know when that photo of Jay Z and Maurice was taken?

[Edited 11/28/16 8:02am]

They have something in writing or they would not be filing a claim.

laurarichardson said:

skipthecharades said:

Well at this point they are deleting albums instead of adding new ones, so it doesn't look good.

Because they have no new material they were getting the material from Prince.

True, but didn't they say they had a remix album on their shelves? And 4Ever would probably be available if Prince was still here.

oliviacamron said:

OperatingThetan said:

Exactly. This is bs. Prince was still working with Tidal the Monday before his passing in April, when he delivered Black Sweat live from Atlanta exclusively to the service. There's no way Tidal had violated Prince's terms at that juncture and there is plenty of evidence to prove it. [Edited 11/20/16 18:30pm]

But if hitnrun was exclusive to Tidal why was it on Google play?

Because Prince had the option of taking the music to other sites if he wanted to. From the court docs it was only a 90 day exclusivity deal. That is the reason I don't understand why the estate is carrying on like this. It appears that the music can be on Tidal and other platforms after the 90 days.

The court day has been set for Tidal' s claim for Dec 8th so we shall see.

skipthecharades said:

laurarichardson said:

Because they have no new material they were getting the material from Prince.

True, but didn't they say they had a remix album on their shelves? And 4Ever would probably be available if Prince was still here.

4Ever is avalible in the Tidal store. I don't remember in the court docs Tidal saying they had another album I think they were saying they were promised a Hit and Run remix and a another project. They are making a claim for those two projects so I do not think they have them as of yet.

oliviacamron said:

Tidal removed another album today I guess something in the water does not compute. They removed Rave unto. Still have Rave into. It would be nice if the estate would have thier own streaming service with all of Prince's music from the vault and everything else. 95% of my Prince music comes from Tidal so I'm sad it's getting removed but it's funny at the same time

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Wow, sorry to hear that, Olivia. Now, since they are removing some of P's music, are the customers going to be compensated for that? I don't stream any music (yet), so not sure how it works.

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I sincerely hope they get all this straigtened out, and put all of Prince's music in one place! I wonder if they will go with Spotify? You can also stream music on Amazon. I love Amazon--they're wonderful.

laurarichardson said:

skipthecharades said:

True, but didn't they say they had a remix album on their shelves? And 4Ever would probably be available if Prince was still here.

4Ever is avalible in the Tidal store. I don't remember in the court docs Tidal saying they had another album I think they were saying they were promised a Hit and Run remix and a another project. They are making a claim for those two projects so I do not think they have them as of yet.

I meant that 4ever would probably be available for streaming as well at Tidal.

So now 4 albums have dissapeared? (3121, Emancipation, Rave Un2 and One Nite Alone)

Only good news is that they removed the "bootleg" live albums as well.

cloveringold85 said:

oliviacamron said: