This thread may get snipped.

Some things hit close to home. Right in the back yard.

My true feelings... Prince was in pain and self medicated to be, what Pink Floyd would call... comfortably numb.

I don't think it was physical pain.

Let me throw out a couple of names you will all know, Earnest Hemmingway or Robin Williams.

Artists try to do the impossible, and that is... anchor themselves to this world. When that anchor proves to be like everything else in this world, temporary, there is pain. LOTS of pain.

So yes, I think he was in pain... but it was far from physical.

And go ahead, say to me... you have no basis in this. He seemed happy. Say all of that. Preach the bullshit of the common sheep.

You yourself admit that this isn't worth a thread and that it deserves lock.

You yourself admit that you do not know what you r talking about.

Then you end the post by calling potential responders names?

Well, I say you're trollin' and baitin'

hollywooddove said:

databank said:

databank said:

You yourself admit that this isn't worth a thread and that it deserves lock.

You yourself admit that you do not know what you r talking about.

Then you end the post by calling potential responders names?

Well, I say you're trollin' and baitin'

expressing. not trolling. love 2 u.

Morningstarlet said:

databank said:

You yourself admit that this isn't worth a thread and that it deserves lock.

You yourself admit that you do not know what you r talking about.

Then you end the post by calling potential responders names?

Well, I say you're trollin' and baitin'

Why is it that anytime a person mentions something that may shine a negative light on Prince it deserves to be locked? Or they're a troll? It's an opinion and deserves a discussion.

I guess we are all different, aren't we. I don't troll. I guess we all need to just go with the flow, eh?

Morningstarlet said:

databank said:

You yourself admit that this isn't worth a thread and that it deserves lock.

You yourself admit that you do not know what you r talking about.

Then you end the post by calling potential responders names?

Well, I say you're trollin' and baitin'

Why is it that anytime a person mentions something that may shine a negative light on Prince it deserves to be locked? Or they're a troll? It's an opinion and deserves a discussion.

When the OP themselves say that it is NOT worth a thread, is it?

When they call potential responders who may disagree names before they have even voiced an opinion, is it fair?

What does it have to do about negative anyway? This board has had more threads bashing Prince than positive ones ever since it exists, and they haven't been locked.

Had the OP created a honest to God thread, raising suppositions and presenting them as such (given that no one here has first hand knowledge of Prince's state of mind those last few years), and honestly asking for opinions, instead of agressively trying to force an opinion on others and warning anyone who may disagree that they would be flamed and called names, I really wouldn't have cared...

I didn't even called for lock, I merely took note of the fact that the OP was openly looking for trouble.

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hollywooddove said:

databank said:

You yourself admit that this isn't worth a thread and that it deserves lock.

You yourself admit that you do not know what you r talking about.

Then you end the post by calling potential responders names?

Well, I say you're trollin' and baitin'

expressing. not trolling. love 2 u.

Then start by being a little nicer to potential responders, and a little humbler in the way you present your opinions Peace.

Now let us discuss your topic, for those who are interested in doing so.

databank said:

Morningstarlet said:

databank said: Why is it that anytime a person mentions something that may shine a negative light on Prince it deserves to be locked? Or they're a troll? It's an opinion and deserves a discussion.

When the OP themselves say that it is NOT worth a thread, is it?

When they call potential responders who may disagree names before they have even voiced an opinion, is it fair?

What does it have to do about negative anyway? This board has had more threads bashing Prince than positive ones ever since it exists, and they haven't been locked.

Had the OP created a honest to God thread, raising suppositions and presenting them as such (given that no one here has first hand knowledge of Prince's state of mind those last few years), and honestly asking for opinions, instead of agressively trying to force an opinion on others and warning anyone who may disagree that they would be flamed and called names, I really wouldn't have cared...

I didn't even called for lock, I merely took note of the fact that the OP was openly looking for trouble.

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You are missing the point. Who are the sheep? Those who feel like mental illness or depression is not a life threatening issue. And this does not lead to the use of drugs. That is must be physical or just a habit.

That's who I am calling sheep. Not anyone who disagrees with me.

I shouldn't have to explain, but there you go.

love 2 u again. Attack me some more, and blindside everyone with your own interpretations.

love 2 u again, but I will not appologize for not watering it down.

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hollywooddove said:

This thread may get snipped.

Some things hit close to home. Right in the back yard.

My true feelings... Prince was in pain and self medicated to be, what Pink Floyd would call... comfortably numb.

I don't think it was physical pain.

Let me throw out a couple of names you will all know, Earnest Hemmingway or Robin Williams.

Artists try to do the impossible, and that is... anchor themselves to this world. When that anchor proves to be like everything else in this world, temporary, there is pain. LOTS of pain.

So yes, I think he was in pain... but it was far from physical.

And go ahead, say to me... you have no basis in this. He seemed happy. Say all of that. Preach the bullshit of the common sheep.

I kind of feel this way too. Maybe he was in some physical pain, but I do feel he had some emotional issues as well that he was trying to numb, as you said. I think he was happy to an extent, but there were just some aspects of life that were out of his reach even for a man with his fame and fortune. He couldn't have a normal, loving relationship with one woman is one and the inability to have children is another that comes to mind. He probably felt some loneliness though he was surrounded by many friends and adoring fans.

Morningstarlet said:

hollywooddove said:

This thread may get snipped.

Some things hit close to home. Right in the back yard.

My true feelings... Prince was in pain and self medicated to be, what Pink Floyd would call... comfortably numb.

I don't think it was physical pain.

Let me throw out a couple of names you will all know, Earnest Hemmingway or Robin Williams.

Artists try to do the impossible, and that is... anchor themselves to this world. When that anchor proves to be like everything else in this world, temporary, there is pain. LOTS of pain.

So yes, I think he was in pain... but it was far from physical.

And go ahead, say to me... you have no basis in this. He seemed happy. Say all of that. Preach the bullshit of the common sheep.

I agree, I think there was a lot of loneliness from not being able, or unwilling, to connect with people. Sex doesn't necessarily equal intimacy. I think there was a lot of isolation from him alienating himself from those he would allow to get close to. In the end he was alone. I will get slammed for saying this ... but I often wonder if the overdose wasn't intentional.

I agee with this as well. I'm not going to slam you , but I don't feel the overdose was intentional. I do feel he was getting careless and reckless, however.

TopazGirl said:

hollywooddove said:

databank said:

When the OP themselves say that it is NOT worth a thread, is it?

When they call potential responders who may disagree names before they have even voiced an opinion, is it fair?

What does it have to do about negative anyway? This board has had more threads bashing Prince than positive ones ever since it exists, and they haven't been locked.

Had the OP created a honest to God thread, raising suppositions and presenting them as such (given that no one here has first hand knowledge of Prince's state of mind those last few years), and honestly asking for opinions, instead of agressively trying to force an opinion on others and warning anyone who may disagree that they would be flamed and called names, I really wouldn't have cared...

I didn't even called for lock, I merely took note of the fact that the OP was openly looking for trouble.

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You are missing the point. Who are the sheep? Those who feel like mental illness or depression is not a life threatening issue. And this does not lead to the use of drugs. That is must be physical or just a habit.

Well, i've been a victim of depression a lot in the past, so I certainly won't agree with any of those "sheep", then.

Prince was reported as being depressed in the early 90's (at least in Alex Hahn's book for what it's worth). He himself admitted in CB's liner notes that he was somewhat depressed when he composed the title track.

Someone (can't remember who) also reported after he died that recently Prince seemed to feel stuck in his career and unsure how to do something new, and that he seemed somewhat depressed about it.

That's all I know.

Morningstarlet said:

databank said:

You yourself admit that this isn't worth a thread and that it deserves lock.

You yourself admit that you do not know what you r talking about.

Then you end the post by calling potential responders names?

Well, I say you're trollin' and baitin'

Why is it that anytime a person mentions something that may shine a negative light on Prince it deserves to be locked? Or they're a troll? It's an opinion and deserves a discussion.

A better question is why is it that any time something abstract/incorporeal/intangible/ethereal is mentioned, databank wants it banned? It seems as though databank is incapable of abstract/intuitive reasoning.

Hey, databank, if you wanna live in the wonderful world of analytics and straight logic, why don't you go do some math or something?

Thank God, databank isn't the mod he wishes he were.

Morningstarlet said:

TopazGirl said:

I agee with this as well. I'm not going to slam you , but I don't feel the overdose was intentional. I do feel he was getting careless and reckless, however.

Yes, you certainly may be right. It's just something I wonder from time to time. He seemed so sad toward the end.

I guess I'm just trying to trust in the authorities and their investigation as well as medical examiner's final answer on it being accidental. I want to trust that they have very good reasons for this determination. Maybe I'm wrong. And yes, I agree, he seemed very sad at the end. I do think someone can feel sad and hopeless but yet would never end their own life. I think he also had his moments of clarity, hope, and happiness as shown in some of the events surrounding him those last months. For example, discussion of his attempts to withdraw from pain meds, his future plans, his tour...just some examples.

AnonymousFan said:

Morningstarlet said:

databank said: Why is it that anytime a person mentions something that may shine a negative light on Prince it deserves to be locked? Or they're a troll? It's an opinion and deserves a discussion.

A better question is why is it that any time something abstract/incorporeal/intangible/ethereal is mentioned, databank wants it banned? It seems as though databank is incapable of abstract/intuitive reasoning.

Hey, databank, if you wanna live in the wonderful world of analytics and straight logic, why don't you go do some math or something?

Thank God, databank isn't the mod he wishes he were.

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[Edited 10/16/16 11:08am]

Please don't hate on data... and love 2 u.

AnonymousFan said:

Morningstarlet said:

databank said: Why is it that anytime a person mentions something that may shine a negative light on Prince it deserves to be locked? Or they're a troll? It's an opinion and deserves a discussion.

A better question is why is it that any time something abstract/incorporeal/intangible/ethereal is mentioned, databank wants it banned? It seems as though databank is incapable of abstract/intuitive reasoning.

Hey, databank, if you wanna live in the wonderful world of analytics and straight logic, why don't you go do some math or something?

Thank God, databank isn't the mod he wishes he were.

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Oh please, nonsense is nonsense, poor syntax is poor syntax, and irrational is irrational. It has nothing to do with abstract/incorporeal/intangible/ethereal, it has to do with common sense vs. lunacy. Besides in that case I was merely pointing the OP's odd, if not agressive manners, not the thread topic itself.

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When I'm not fighting lunatics, I'm doing my share for this community: sharing relevant info with fellow fans, replying questions when I have the answer, contributing to serious discussions about Prince's music and, for that matter, compiling the most comprehensive database on his official releases to be found online, alongside Princevault. What have you done for this community?

.

And for your information I've never expressed the desire to be a mod, never offered the mods to join them (they can attest), and I would have declined if offered because I simply do not have the time togive the commitment this "job" requires. I'm happy being a mere contributor. However I believe 15 years here give me a certain legitimacy to be critical when newbies come and try to turn this place into a mess.

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Now go mind your business and let me do what I do.

AnonymousFan said:

Morningstarlet said:

databank said: Why is it that anytime a person mentions something that may shine a negative light on Prince it deserves to be locked? Or they're a troll? It's an opinion and deserves a discussion.

A better question is why is it that any time something abstract/incorporeal/intangible/ethereal is mentioned, databank wants it banned? It seems as though databank is incapable of abstract/intuitive reasoning.

Hey, databank, if you wanna live in the wonderful world of analytics and straight logic, why don't you go do some math or something?

Thank God, databank isn't the mod he wishes he were.

Please don't derail the thread. If you have an issue with another user then you can orgnote them directly.

Robin Williams depression was likely more pronounced as a result of the disease he had, Lewy Body Dementia.

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Mumio said:

Robin Williams depression was likely the result of the disease he had, Lewy Body Dementia.

I thought Robin Williams had depression among other psychological and/or psychiatric diagnoses long before the LBD diagnosis later.

However, regarding this thread, agree that as to Prince, it wasn't primarily a result of chronic pain due to hips and ankles.

Nothing wrong with death with dignity at home under certain circumstances.

(No need for anyone to feverishly rehash either their medical, investigative, or religious interpretations in his case, we've got it.)

databank said:

TopazGirl said:

lust said:

databank said:

Oh please, nonsense is nonsense, poor syntax is poor syntax, and irrational is irrational. It has nothing to do with abstract/incorporeal/intangible/ethereal, it has to do with common sense vs. lunacy. Besides in that case I was merely pointing the OP's odd, if not agressive manners, not the thread topic itself.

.

When I'm not fighting lunatics, I'm doing my share for this community: sharing relevant info with fellow fans, replying questions when I have the answer, contributing to serious discussions about Prince's music and, for that matter, compiling the most comprehensive database on his official releases to be found online, alongside Princevault. What have you done for this community?

.

And for your information I've never expressed the desire to be a mod, never offered the mods to join them (they can attest), and I would have declined if offered because I simply do not have the time togive the commitment this "job" requires. I'm happy being a mere contributor. However I believe 15 years here give me a certain legitimacy to be critical when newbies come and try to turn this place into a mess.

.

Now go mind your business and let me do what I do.

Proponents of irrational baseless speculation always seem to attack those employing rational thought even bizarrely painting such thought as somehow a negative and unwelcome trait. Presumably because their viewpoints are so profoundly weak they won't hold up to the slightest scrutiny. Thank you for your contributions in such matters.

Thx

However Militant is right: this is not the thread's topic. Besides, me and the OP have settled our original misunderstanding, so let us allow those who wish to discuss it to do so

databank said:

hollywooddove said:

This thread may get snipped.

Some things hit close to home. Right in the back yard.

My true feelings... Prince was in pain and self medicated to be, what Pink Floyd would call... comfortably numb.

I don't think it was physical pain.

Let me throw out a couple of names you will all know, Earnest Hemmingway or Robin Williams.

Artists try to do the impossible, and that is... anchor themselves to this world. When that anchor proves to be like everything else in this world, temporary, there is pain. LOTS of pain.

So yes, I think he was in pain... but it was far from physical.

And go ahead, say to me... you have no basis in this. He seemed happy. Say all of that. Preach the bullshit of the common sheep.

everyone has a different opinion because we've all gotten the same contradictory and scarcity of information. I still say the pieces don't fit, no matter how you put it together, they just don't fit. Prince wasn't your typical artist, he was a superartist/genius. even in his waning days he completed 4 albums (five if rumours are correct) no one else does that in that time period perfectly healthy. I know it's hard if not impossible but I think it would be best if we all just wait, for the next thirty years if we have to to find out the truth.

StopIt: poor wording in my comment, I have corrected. Also, see your org notes.

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People aren't sheep just because they don't agree with you. And you are just doing groundless speculating for the most part. You could say that you think Prince wanted to be a transexual and cut off his weiner...anything is possible, but it's unlikely.

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I think the drugs/painkillers were mostly for physical pain and also to help him do better performances. Part of me feels guilty for going to the Atlanta show because he clearly took something to get through that one and give us such an amazing performance and then ODd just hours afterwards. Maybe if that show didn't happen, he would still be here.

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Anyway I think about Prince a lot lately and just very sad.

hollywooddove said: