Why would they delete the thread. Wow, talk about censorship.

computerblue83 said:

Why would they delete the thread. Wow, talk about censorship.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and talking about censorship, you could actually ask us why the thread was deleted?

Well - I actually didn't even see the thread before it was removed.

But I can see it now, and it's a total mess. There was literally over 15 posts reported. Most times, if some posts in a thread get reported, it's maybe 1 or 2 posts. So as you can see, 15 reported posts is a lot.

So - do we go through - snip every post that crossed the line, snip every subsequent post that quoted the original post, and try and maintain order in a thread that has already gone so far off the rails that the train carriage is in the sea? Or do we one-click remove the thread, job done. You tell me.

It's not censorship. It's maintaining order.

As for OP's post, actually I personally agree with you - Mayte has every right to tell her story. And as long as she's honest, then I don't have a problem with that. I like Mayte a lot.

But the worry is that any book publisher is going to want salacious details and things Prince didn't want shared. Now, I don't think Mayte is gonna do that. But at the same time, that's the shit that would sell the book outside of the fanbase. We live in an age of reality TV and National Enquirer common-denominator bullshit, and if your only goal is to shift units, then you can just go right on ahead and talk that talk and the idiots will lap it up.

If you simply want to tell your story and there's public interest - there's space for that and I sincerely hope that's what Mayte is doing and I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

Well crap. I just dropped a note to the mods about the why. I didn't know it was a mess like that. So ignore my note, por favor. It's too bad that people get so damn vitriolic about things, where others can't enjoy a discussion.

Anyhoo.... I look forward to Mayte's story. I hope she's honest and real about it. It not only serves to tell the real story, but it also keeps her out of the glazed over memoirs or stories that we've all seen to this point. And honesty will help pay the bills, too.

I mean, she doesn't have to tell the man's dick size or if he wiped from the left or right, but I do want details about conversations, or situations, moments, the harshness and the tenderness. One great thing about Per's DMSR is that it did show how Prince was a sweetheart, but how he also had his shitfucktard side as times, too. And how his genius and desire to record & put out material conflicted with an unspoken lack of understanding about the public's perception of his work, backlash, and loss. If it's 270 pages of "it's just magical to be in his presence, it's like a warm light", then she'll be lucky if I torrent it for free. There has to be enough drama with the sister & nanny, the baby situation (and being on Oprah days after Ahmir died), to her feelings on loving him, but not being in love with him that a great book is to be had next year.

Militant said:

computerblue83 said:

Why would they delete the thread. Wow, talk about censorship.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and talking about censorship, you could actually ask us why the thread was deleted?

Well - I actually didn't even see the thread before it was removed.

But I can see it now, and it's a total mess. There was literally over 15 posts reported. Most times, if some posts in a thread get reported, it's maybe 1 or 2 posts. So as you can see, 15 reported posts is a lot.

So - do we go through - snip every post that crossed the line, snip every subsequent post that quoted the original post, and try and maintain order in a thread that has already gone so far off the rails that the train carriage is in the sea? Or do we one-click remove the thread, job done. You tell me.

It's not censorship. It's maintaining order.

As for OP's post, actually I personally agree with you - Mayte has every right to tell her story. And as long as she's honest, then I don't have a problem with that. I like Mayte a lot.

But the worry is that any book publisher is going to want salacious details and things Prince didn't want shared. Now, I don't think Mayte is gonna do that. But at the same time, that's the shit that would sell the book outside of the fanbase. We live in an age of reality TV and National Enquirer common-denominator bullshit, and if your only goal is to shift units, then you can just go right on ahead and talk that talk and the idiots will lap it up.

If you simply want to tell your story and there's public interest - there's space for that and I sincerely hope that's what Mayte is doing and I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

Then why not deal with the people that keep posting stuff that crosses the line for other people. I am pretty sure I know which ones you are referring to, because they derail every thread. Going through and snipping these threads would be, I don't know moderation. Which is what I thought is what you guys are suppose to be doing. Locking the thread and giving an explation would make more sense, deleting it however can only be interpereted as one thing and that's censorship.

computerblue83 said:

I don't know moderation. Which is what I thought is what you guys are suppose to be doing.

Clearly.

deleting it however can only be interpereted as one thing and that's censorship

Militant said:

computerblue83 said:

Why would they delete the thread. Wow, talk about censorship.

Instead of jumping to conclusions and talking about censorship, you could actually ask us why the thread was deleted?

Well - I actually didn't even see the thread before it was removed.

But I can see it now, and it's a total mess. There was literally over 15 posts reported. Most times, if some posts in a thread get reported, it's maybe 1 or 2 posts. So as you can see, 15 reported posts is a lot.

So - do we go through - snip every post that crossed the line, snip every subsequent post that quoted the original post, and try and maintain order in a thread that has already gone so far off the rails that the train carriage is in the sea? Or do we one-click remove the thread, job done. You tell me.

It's not censorship. It's maintaining order.

As for OP's post, actually I personally agree with you - Mayte has every right to tell her story. And as long as she's honest, then I don't have a problem with that. I like Mayte a lot.

But the worry is that any book publisher is going to want salacious details and things Prince didn't want shared. Now, I don't think Mayte is gonna do that. But at the same time, that's the shit that would sell the book outside of the fanbase. We live in an age of reality TV and National Enquirer common-denominator bullshit, and if your only goal is to shift units, then you can just go right on ahead and talk that talk and the idiots will lap it up.

If you simply want to tell your story and there's public interest - there's space for that and I sincerely hope that's what Mayte is doing and I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

This.

Yes, she's entitled to write what she wants, yes its gold digging, however well you dress it up. I just think its cowardly to write it once he has died and has no chance to comment or dismiss.

Militant said:

But the worry is that any book publisher is going to want salacious details and things Prince didn't want shared. Now, I don't think Mayte is gonna do that. But at the same time, that's the shit that would sell the book outside of the fanbase. We live in an age of reality TV and National Enquirer common-denominator bullshit, and if your only goal is to shift units, then you can just go right on ahead and talk that talk and the idiots will lap it up.

If you simply want to tell your story and there's public interest - there's space for that and I sincerely hope that's what Mayte is doing and I'll give her the benefit of the doubt.

My thoughts and opinion on Mayte's book aside, I'm wondering - are people concerned about that hairdresser's book dropping info or details that Prince wouldn't want shared? I don't know that they had the kind of relationship where she'd be privvy to that sort of stuff, yet she did work for him for a long time and she probably saw things, heard things, etc. The last time I checked the thread about his hairdresser writing a book it was all positive and yay! yay! yay!....so I'm just wondering why the difference in reaction? If the deeper concern is that a PUBLISHER would want salacious, sensationalistic details included, then I'd think anybody who'd write a book about their longtime association with Prince would be pressured into including that kind of stuff, therefore I'd think anybody writing a book - period - would get a negative reaction from people (or at least Org members). yet the hairdresser isn't getting a bashing but Mayte is? guess it's b/c she was married to him and Kim Berry wasn't.

slowlywiltingflower said:

computerblue83 said:

Why would they delete the thread. Wow, talk about censorship.

I dont think censorship as much as LOVe and Respect for a person who Prince was once very close to..

The thread got deleted becasue of so much Negativity and HATE...

It was painful and hurtful to read..Opinions are one thing, but to speculate when the outcome is totally unknown to us, andassumee that its going to be Disrespectful and throw the poor girl under the BUS is not acceptable..

Im glad it was removed...If I was Mayte and I read it, I would be devastated that people who claim to love Prince could throw so much hate into the ether... Everyone is going to want to share their Prince story.... He is just so unique, not an ordainairy every day Human Being... Thats all there is to it....

[Edited 9/15/16 17:00pm]

Also lets not forget that Mayte actually announced plans last year to release a book it was supposed to be out by Xmas and it didnt happen.. so its been planned for a while and now it the time.. I think why shouldnt she do it.. we all want to know...

Also, she remained silent whilst he was alive - and may well not have wanted to do that (Lord knows, she might well have wanted to scream and cry publicly about the death of her child) but, presumably she wasn't able to do that ( she wasn't even, it seems, allowed to say his NAME whilst P was alive).
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Now, I don't know if she was subjected to some sort of official gagging order, or whether she was keeping quiet out of love for Prince - but now that he has gone, I think it is within her rights to speak. If she makes money out of it, so be it - personally, I'm just as much inclined to think that it's her way of getting some sort of closure on the whole thing.

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Speaking of threads completely wiped off the face of the earth, I'd like to know where the ME report / fentanyl thread(s) have gone. If the mods want to lock them, fine - but I can't find ANY evidence of their ever having existed! As P's death IS an on-going investigation, the reports and commentary on there were helpful for me (and I am sure many others) as a form of compendium of current thinking and reportage on the situation...WHY, therefore, remove it all, as though none of it ever happened?

NinaB said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

My thoughts and opinion on Mayte's book aside, I'm wondering - are people concerned about that hairdresser's book dropping info or details that Prince wouldn't want shared? I don't know that they had the kind of relationship where she'd be privvy to that sort of stuff, yet she did work for him for a long time and she probably saw things, heard things, etc. The last time I checked the thread about his hairdresser writing a book it was all positive and yay! yay! yay!....so I'm just wondering why the difference in reaction? If the deeper concern is that a PUBLISHER would want salacious, sensationalistic details included, then I'd think anybody who'd write a book about their longtime association with Prince would be pressured into including that kind of stuff, therefore I'd think anybody writing a book - period - would get a negative reaction from people (or at least Org members). yet the hairdresser isn't getting a bashing but Mayte is? guess it's b/c she was married to him and Kim Berry wasn't.

I saw an interview with his hairdresser on utube. She was very respectful & chose her words carefully. Dodged the salacious hints with grace. Came across very loyal & professional.

That's good to hear. I hope that respect continues throughout the writing and publishing of her book and that she's loyal and strong enough to not give in to anybody pressuring her to write about things she'd prefer not to. (and that's not an insinuation against her integrity or anything, but what people say in a YT video and want to write in a book, and what publishers want/demand in a book they publish, can be VERY different because for the publisher, it all boils down to book sales, not respect for the subject. I worked for a NYC publisher so I've seen it happen with the pressure to include this or include that or 'sorry, we'll pass on your book at this time') I still think it's interesting timing to announce so soon after Prince's passing that you're writing a book and planning to put out a hair products line that Prince allegedly was 'working on'. everybody wanted to get out, as quickly as possible, what Prince-connected item or line or show they were working on and putting together. I guess I'm getting a bit weary of it all. But who can resist the almighty $$$$$$$$$$$?

slowlywiltingflower said:

NinaB said:

slowlywiltingflower said:

That's good to hear. I hope that respect continues throughout the writing and publishing of her book and that she's loyal and strong enough to not give in to anybody pressuring her to write about things she'd prefer not to. (and that's not an insinuation against her integrity or anything, but what people say in a YT video and want to write in a book, and what publishers want/demand in a book they publish, can be VERY different because for the publisher, it all boils down to book sales, not respect for the subject. I worked for a NYC publisher so I've seen it happen with the pressure to include this or include that or 'sorry, we'll pass on your book at this time') I still think it's interesting timing to announce so soon after Prince's passing that you're writing a book and planning to put out a hair products line that Prince allegedly was 'working on'. everybody wanted to get out, as quickly as possible, what Prince-connected item or line or show they were working on and putting together. I guess I'm getting a bit weary of it all. But who can resist the almighty $$$$$$$$$$$?

Yeah I'm warey too. Hopefully she will remain loyal & professional with the book. I have my doubts about the hair products too.

I'm probably getting hypersensitive but it all seems like it's overwhelming. I guess all we can do is hope for the best in all these various endeavors.

slowlywiltingflower said:

Dibblekins said:

Speaking of threads completely wiped off the face of the earth, I'd like to know where the ME report / fentanyl thread(s) have gone. If the mods want to lock them, fine - but I can't find ANY evidence of their ever having existed! As P's death IS an on-going investigation, the reports and commentary on there were helpful for me (and I am sure many others) as a form of compendium of current thinking and reportage on the situation...WHY, therefore, remove it all, as though none of it ever happened?

You're not the only one wondering.

captiveunicorn said:

Dibblekins said:

Speaking of threads completely wiped off the face of the earth, I'd like to know where the ME report / fentanyl thread(s) have gone. If the mods want to lock them, fine - but I can't find ANY evidence of their ever having existed! As P's death IS an on-going investigation, the reports and commentary on there were helpful for me (and I am sure many others) as a form of compendium of current thinking and reportage on the situation...WHY, therefore, remove it all, as though none of it ever happened?

You're not the only one wondering.

I was wondering the same thing. Did it get out of hand?

As for Mayte's book: she's entitled to write it, it was her life also. It just seems that she could not do it before because she was not allowed, probably signed a confidentiality document that forbade her from discussing anything Prince related, including their son's name, which is a dreadful thought, if you think for a minute...
Anyway, I think we are all kinda weary of everyone that seems to be all of a sudden very much in the spotlight and somehow benefiting from it (and from Prince's death).

Prince's Ex Mayte Prepping 'Intimate' Memoir: 'My Life With Prince'

Source: http://www.billboard.com/...ith-prince

[Edited 9/17/16 13:53pm]

Apparently, you don't understand what the Song is about to use it the way you have, not surprising given your confused logic on the meaning of feminism/sexism. Prince worked his entire life like a dog. Mayte has her fame/money because of her association with him not because of anything she has worked for on her own or done independently not directly using his name. She can do as she wants but obviously the book was stopped while he was alive for a reason. She has continued to milk her association with him for money, fame and sympathy. Nevermind, that she was perfectly giddy to perform like a cheap stripper on stage thru her horrible dancing (what a great empowering example for young girls!). Perhaphs you support one side feminism only when it financially behefits females (which is in and of itself a whoredom and class example of patriarchy putting a dollar value on everything) but that is not what feminism or critque of sexism is about. If you think it is somehow sexist to critique her for her actions and choices then you are essentially saying she has no agency and is not accountable for her actions. Again, sexist in itself. If you are a feminist then i suggest you focus to those who are powerless (that does not include millionairs who got their money from men they were with) and that would be her poor daughter who is the only victim at this point in Mayte's performance of ongoing paying victimhood. No one who is a true admirer of P. (and not a syncophant fan who lives vicariously thru imagined romances he had) would support her book, no more than they did her tawdry auction. Which is why almost nothing sold. Most people can see thru her and have been able to for some time. Her taking Carmen Electra off the list to attend the memorial should give an insight into just how "sweet" Mayte is. No class.

[Edited 9/17/16 14:30pm]

Every time a former "Prince associate" announces a new project, it reminds me of Apple's post where she mentions P saying to her that after he was gone there'd be lots of fake tears and vultures.

I'm not saying MG and KB's projects fall into that description, but it all just reminds me of what he said.

wildwickedwanton said:

Apparently, you don't understand what the Song is about to use it the way you have, not surprising given your confused logic on the meaning of feminism/sexism. Prince worked his entire life like a dog. Mayte has her fame/money because of her association with him not because of anything she has worked for on her own or done independently not directly using his name. She can do as she wants but obviously the book was stopped while he was alive for a reason. She has continued to milk her association with him for money, fame and sympathy. Nevermind, that she was perfectly giddy to perform like a cheap stripper on stage thru her horrible dancing (what a great empowering example for young girls!). Perhaphs you support one side feminism only when it financially behefits females (which is in and of itself a whoredom and class example of patriarchy putting a dollar value on everything) but that is not what feminism or critque of sexism is about. If you think it is somehow sexist to critique her for her actions and choices then you are essentially saying she has no agency and is not accountable for her actions. Again, sexist in itself. If you are a feminist then i suggest you focus to those who are powerless (that does not include millionairs who got their money from men they were with) and that would be her poor daughter who is the only victim at this point in Mayte's performance of ongoing paying victimhood. No one who is a true admirer of P. (and not a syncophant fan who lives vicariously thru imagined romances he had) would support her book, no more than they did her tawdry auction. Which is why almost nothing sold. Most people can see thru her and have been able to for some time. Her taking Carmen Electra off the list to attend the memorial should give an insight into just how "sweet" Mayte is. No class.

[Edited 9/17/16 14:30pm]

Prince was the one that told her to wear those outfits/do those dances. Mayte is a skilled dancer when she dances in what she is classically trained in. There is also nothing wrong with her 'performing like a cheap stripper' either. She was his employee, if she didn't want to do that the door to leave was always open.

You're also kinda ignoring the fact that pretty much most people associated with Prince have benefited from this over the years. Not just his female proteges either. So Mayte is no different.

People can make their own desicions to if they want to support her, 'true admirer' or not. Also, most of that stuff didn't sell because it was expensive, lol.

Also kinda a side note but honestly please not this 'this is what feminism is this is what feminism isn't!!' arguments again pleeeeease, there are literally tons of 'denominations' (honestly, only word I could think of) of feminism these days. Most people just pick and chose which they like and agree with most. Personally I chose not to support any, because I do not find myself agreeing with most.

wildwickedwanton said:

Apparently, you don't understand what the Song is about to use it the way you have, not surprising given your confused logic on the meaning of feminism/sexism. Prince worked his entire life like a dog. Mayte has her fame/money because of her association with him not because of anything she has worked for on her own or done independently not directly using his name. She can do as she wants but obviously the book was stopped while he was alive for a reason. She has continued to milk her association with him for money, fame and sympathy. Nevermind, that she was perfectly giddy to perform like a cheap stripper on stage thru her horrible dancing (what a great empowering example for young girls!). Perhaphs you support one side feminism only when it financially behefits females (which is in and of itself a whoredom and class example of patriarchy putting a dollar value on everything) but that is not what feminism or critque of sexism is about. If you think it is somehow sexist to critique her for her actions and choices then you are essentially saying she has no agency and is not accountable for her actions. Again, sexist in itself. If you are a feminist then i suggest you focus to those who are powerless (that does not include millionairs who got their money from men they were with) and that would be her poor daughter who is the only victim at this point in Mayte's performance of ongoing paying victimhood. No one who is a true admirer of P. (and not a syncophant fan who lives vicariously thru imagined romances he had) would support her book, no more than they did her tawdry auction. Which is why almost nothing sold. Most people can see thru her and have been able to for some time. Her taking Carmen Electra off the list to attend the memorial should give an insight into just how "sweet" Mayte is. No class.

[Edited 9/17/16 14:30pm]

It infuriates me that she is pimping her time with Prince for her personal gain after his death.

[Edited 9/18/16 15:25pm]

Vashtix said:

It infuriates me that she is pimping her time with Prince for her personal gain after his death.

Fams are a fickle bunch.

People keep overlooking the numerous posts about this memoir being planned before his death. People have a right to write about their life experiences. If those experiences include famous people, then so be it. Honestly, she has a right to go into detail and give the not so good parts if she wants also. Up to her. Don't like it, don't read it.

Angelsoncrack said:

Krystalkisses said:

Angelsoncrack said:

Prince was the one that told her to wear those outfits/do those dances. Mayte is a skilled dancer when she dances in what she is classically trained in. There is also nothing wrong with her 'performing like a cheap stripper' either. She was his employee, if she didn't want to do that the door to leave was always open.

You're also kinda ignoring the fact that pretty much most people associated with Prince have benefited from this over the years. Not just his female proteges either. So Mayte is no different.

People can make their own desicions to if they want to support her, 'true admirer' or not. Also, most of that stuff didn't sell because it was expensive, lol.

Also kinda a side note but honestly please not this 'this is what feminism is this is what feminism isn't!!' arguments again pleeeeease, there are literally tons of 'denominations' (honestly, only word I could think of) of feminism these days. Most people just pick and chose which they like and agree with most. Personally I chose not to support any, because I do not find myself agreeing with most.

I felt like I could have wrote that. I agree!

People keep slamming MG's outfits or saying P "made" her wear them...like she was doing something awful. She was young and was cute.

If I had even her body now I'd be nekkid at the grocery store. And anybody who didn't like it would have a standing invitation to put on some chapstick and kiss my pink dimpled butt in Macy's window at high noon on any given Sunday.

violectrica said:

No. Not the song. I'm talking about Mayte's book. "The Most Beautiful". I looked up the forum for associated acts and there was a post but it was locked for being a dupe. Fine. I clicked on the provided link. It has been deleted. So here I am. It belongs here anyways since it's about Prince. Don't gag this discussion. Haters recognize: Prince was writing a memoir. Fans who aren't Johnny-come-latelys know. She can write one too. Let's not be misogynistic about this (calling her a gold digger for doing the same as the man). If Prince's memoir was honest he would mention his long term wife, mother of his only child. She probably thought it was OK to write her memoir since he was writing his. She probably felt like she had her permission from beyond. And it is OK. It is incendiary to imply that prince is the only one entitled to his memories and she is not entitled to hers. I'm sure whatever confidentiality agreements she signed expired when he passed. As if it was ever fair to sign one in the first place. She was 16 when they met and therefore a great deal of her world view was informed by him. Saw the world through Prince colored glasses, if you will. I pre-ordered mine on amazon. I am excited about this book. I have a similar love story (tragedy) with my late husband so I can't wait to read a kindred spirit. Getting tired of defending her from trogs on Twitter and Facebook. That is all. If you lock this have a replacement. Like an actual one.

I look forward to the book and will be reading it. Of course she has the right to write her story. It's her story to tell. That is just my opinion, but everyone doesn't have to agree; that's their choice, but no need to hate.