laurarichardson said:

Vee0319 said:

lastdecember said:

leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

What are you clapping about.

(EXCEPT - officials are now saying medical tests prior to his death indicate he had no traces of Fentanyl in his system and not likely an abuser.)

Medical test are confirming it was accidental because he did not have any in his system prior to his death. They can also trace drugs back 90 days from hair samples. They have test that can tell how long you have been taking something especially Fentanyl.

I am still not sure some of you do not understand how P would not have been living if had been taking this stuff on his own for years.

You can posion yourself by just getting it on your hands.

Not too mention the side effects that everyone said he could have avoided by a high tolerance despite weighting a buck on five having too build up the tolerance in the first place.

The only thing that no traces of fentanyl prior to his death indicate is that foul play is more likely than ever.

While seemingly everyone on this board for the past 4 months has been running with the long term addiction narrative, making stuff up along the way, creating everything they can to explain why Prince was a user for decades, I have been saying since day one that Prince was not a user or abuser, that he lived a clean life and his body was his temple, etc. So no traces in his system is no surprise to me.

Not a user or abuser? Having unlabeled or unprescribed controlled medication is "abuse." How do you explain all of the controlled substances they found in random containers like vitamin or Aleve bottles? It was reported that he did not have prescriptions for controlled substances. Just because they reported he wasn't a long term user of Fentanyl does not prove he wasn't taking other pain killers and it certainly does not prove he wasn't taking pain killers for a long period of time. If this was some conspiracy or foul play, the perpetrator wouldn't need to plant so many different bootleg pills in so many places throughout Prince's home and his belongings. The foul play here is that either Prince or someone on his behalf illegally obtained deadly bootleg pills that were purposely stamped improperly!

Kara said:

sunset3121 said:

The oxy in a dressing room labelled for someone else could just be someone else's.

I wonder how much fentanyl was in those pills and how many he took to get enough to kill anyone.

The hydrocodone and codeine fakes seem strange. Loads of people have this stuff from legit sources. It would seem easier and safer to get the doctor he was seeing from the 7th (that so many think was for withdrawal) to prescribe something - I mean if you are seeing a local doctor for withdrawal you are not embarrassed about pain pills or reluctant to see a doctor. There is also not going to be any big outcry if there is a leak of this info (I mean who would care, it is hardly headline stuff). He also had connections in pain managment and withdrawal already through the other people he had helped get off drugs. "P: Doc, I'm really struggling to withdraw from these dodgy street drugs that caused me to OD earlier this week - Dr S: oh, OK, I'll run some blood tests but give you no controlled drugs to wean you off slowly or to help with your symptoms. You have to wait for this guy from Cali with some buprenorphine" just does not seem right.

It would be interesting to know if they did test his hair to see what drugs he had been taking previously.

It seems very unlikely he took fentanyl before. If it had been the first time on the plane he would have been looking at these pills in a whole different light. If he had been a regular user there is no way he would have withdrawn cold turkey after the plane and been out and about in the mood he was that week.

Dr. Schulenberg couldn't legally prescribe buprenorphine. He was just a family doctor (Kirk's doctor) and probably in over his head. http://www.startribune.co...378880371/

Dr S was an intensivist.

Michael T Schulenberg, MD provides intensive care in HOWARD LAKE, MN. An Intensivist is a physician who has special training in critical care.

An intensivist is a board-certified physician who provides special care for critically ill patients. Also known as a critical care physician, the intensivist has advanced training and experience in treating this complex type of patient.

Do you really think it was all so over his head he could not prescribe him any alternative painkiller if he was having so many problems withdrawing from H that he OD'd?

Kara said:

laurarichardson said:

--- It has been mentioned numerous times in the media that this came from the search warrant. Why would the police be interested in talking to Dr.S to see about P's blood pressure test? Trust me they have combed thru is medical records by this time.

I posted the search warrant for you to read. It doesn't say anything specifically about treatment for withdrawals, which Sunset asked about. That info came from an anonymous source, whom I do believe, but it's not "official".

Thank you!

ladygirl99 said:

leadline said:

sunset3121 said:

Kara said:

sunset3121 said:

An intensivist is a board-certified physician who provides special care for critically ill patients. Also known as a critical care physician, the intensivist has advanced training and experience in treating this complex type of patient.

Do you really think it was all so over his head he could not prescribe him any alternative painkiller if he was having so many problems withdrawing from H that he OD'd?

Perhaps the doctor was waiting for some test results before he prescribed anything like that? We have no way of knowing what or how much P told the doctor or whether he asked for any meds to help withdraw from anything.

RachB65 said:

On page 40 of this thread...It has become overwhelming to read and digest much less try n comment...P had stashes of pills and many were of the illicit variety...Did he know? That is the question. Perhaps he figured it out by accident, maybe even the plane incident...But then another q is y take one on the nite of the 20th? Did he buy some more thinking they were straight hydros and got burned again? Idk...its a big mystery...He did have actual prescribed(to someone else) hydros in his possession..Y not take those instead?

If we are leaving no stone unturned here, how do we know that all this stuff wasn't planted after the fact to give the perception of a long term addict? If foul play is still on the table as a possibility, even a remote one, then we can't be certain that ALL of this stuff was not staged after the fact. If foul play was involved, everything possible would be done to make it look like Prince was a long term abuser.

nursev said:

Bebop17 said:

Wow! I am at a loss for words. I don't understand this new information. I can't believe he was taking street pills. This is a real nighmare.

leadline said:

rogifan said:

RachB65 said:

On page 40 of this thread...It has become overwhelming to read and digest much less try n comment...P had stashes of pills and many were of the illicit variety...Did he know? That is the question. Perhaps he figured it out by accident, maybe even the plane incident...But then another q is y take one on the nite of the 20th? Did he buy some more thinking they were straight hydros and got burned again? Idk...its a big mystery...He did have actual prescribed(to someone else) hydros in his possession..Y not take those instead?

"Stashes of pills and many were of the illicit variety...Did he know?" What? That there were several bottles contining illegally obtained drugs in his residence? Unless someone planted the drugs then I'm guessing he knew the drugs were stashed. If Judith Hill is to be believed, Prince acknowledged a problem and agreed to get help. So that would indicate he had a dependency problem. But since the pills stamped as Hydrocodone actually contained a deadly combination of Fentanyl and whatever else, I am guessing he did not know that-otherwise he would not have ingested any. (Whether the person he got the bootleg pills from knew what they were is another question.) Also, if he really did have hydros on the property that were prescribed to a different person, it is possible they actually belonged to that other person. Unless they were found in his pocket, it's possble Prince may not have even known they were there.

nursev said:

rogifan said:

From these various reports we have: *Tests showing prior to what killed him he had no fentanyl in his system and possibly that he didn't even know the last pills he took contained fentanyl; *Supposedly no prescription for painkillers in the last 12 months; *His doctor brining him test results on the day he died and prescriptions for non-painkiller medication; Assuming the above is accurate: Are we supposed to believe he was illegally obtaining painkillers for 12 months (or more) and some included fentanyl but he just got lucky all the previous times he took them (and was some how able to function normally and travel and perform and all that. He was illegally obtaining painkillers for 12 months (or more) but everything prior to what killed him didn't contain fentanyl and whomever was supplying this to him just got lucky all the times before. He was seeing a doctor who was supposedly bringing him test results and prescriptions for something. So he had no problems seeing a doctor, having tests done, getting prescriptions etc. but wouldn't use a doctor to legally obtain pain medication? I've said from the beginning I think this was pain management gone horribly wrong but there are still too many things that don't add up. For me the biggest thing is he was traveling and performing (and in 2015 presenting at awards shows) without any indication he was under the influence of anything. Then all of a sudden he's dead. It makes no sense. [Edited 8/22/16 6:54am]

It was reported that the Fentanyl laced pills they found were mis-labeled (stamped) as Hydrocodone. They did not report finding anything labeled as Fentanyl. So it's possible he never knew or intended to take Fentanyl.

Tracyh74 said:

sunset3121 said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

I posted this link...

https://www.theguardian.c...d-fentanyl

to that article last month in the autopsy thread because it is plausible that Prince just didn't know he'd taken fentanyl. That's pretty clear from what the autopsy report said. Where everything's all fucked and twisted is the shroud of secrecy surrounding-- when, how, from whom-- did he get it and WHY?

damn, read articlle....counterfiet xanax being made too!!! jesus!

AA1slot said:

Purplealegria7 said:

leadline said: thank you!!!

Not to be indelcate, but the ME would have checked stomach contents, blood, eye fluid, looked for needle marks etc., in order to determine the cause of death. Since how drugs are administered effects the absorption rate that would have been checked as well to determine that it was sefl administered. Nobody would have forced pills down his throat. She said at the press conference that she was going to be thorough, hence the time it took to get the results and believe that she was.

Good point. Since they have reported it was pills he ingested and not patches or injections, it seems highly unlikely anyone forced the pills down his throat. Meaning he "self administered" the pills - unless someone held a gun to his head and made him swallow. LOL.

EnDoRpHn said:

SpinsterSister said:

New Year's Party 2015

They need to bring charges against whoever dressed him in a garment bag and got him to wear black clogs with purple socks.

lol who the hell told my baby that flip flops w sox look sexy??? lol

Vox said:

CROWNS1 said:

Prince was seeing a doctor because of pain medication addiction. He started treatment on April 7th. People are dropping like flies because of street opiates being laced with other drugs, yet people get on here and act like Prince was the only one to have had this happen and put the tin foil hats on and conjure up a murder plot. The sad truth is that he got addicted to opiates and was buying them from unsafe sources and fell victim to what so many are falling victim to. The sad thing is that if he had sought the correct type of help, and not from some ob/gyn doctor, he would probably still be here. It's so unfortunate. Someone asked about what he overdosed on prior if no fentanyl was in his system prior. The shelf life is 17 hours for Fentanyl. So a few days and it would have been out of his system. Gotta hand it to him, he was one strong man to even attempt to cold turkey these drugs.

Well said. I do agree, however, that whoever is making this stuff available to the public should be shut down, and prosecuted if possible. Such a shame. [Edited 8/22/16 3:56am]

So the sources leaking info should be prosecuted? Well then I guess you're not interested in what has been reported...that's why you're here commenting on the subject right? Oooookay.

I think the 'camp' is silent because they all 'knew' - I think they all had some idea or maybe didnt see anything exactly - but they knew he was on pain meds...even if Prince had bottles of vitamin C or aleve or whatever someone had to see him take an aleve or vitamin C at some point...

Prince was clearly comfortable taking pills from the illicit sourcing - so someone helped or multiple people helped him...theres just no getting around that and whoever did help him better speak up because many many people will die from this stuff if they keep silent.

ALLLLLL the people who claimed to be 'very good close friends' - are shitting their pants and hoping the world moves on...that idea is reprehensible to me -

you know you helped get the counterfeit drugs and you now know it killed Prince - ONE pill killed him - and you're willing to keep your mouth shut???

FU you piece of evil, God will get you for that.

nursev said: