ou812Ewokadoodle said:

How long you have been involved on the org does not represent what type of Prince fan you are and there should be no distinction between old users and new users.

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What nonsense is that?

First the bold writing.

Then the ignorance of the org shaping the fan.

Either they become a fam or they become a hardcore fan.

In that the duration of involvement does represent the type of fan one is.

Why are you ignoring reality?

AnnaStesia91 said:

I've noticed that being a younger fan I've always felt like there was a lot of snobbery in the Prince community, especially from completists. I was born like 6 months before Diamonds and Pearls was released. Of course I haven't heard every single solitary thing the man put out and I can't own every piece of material because some things are out of print (and therefore out of my price bracket ) I feel like there is a lack of respect where there could be education and embrace. Also annoyed at the people that act like being poor and a Prince fan makes you less of a fan because you can't own all this rare, expensive shit. sorry for the rant, I've just come across some nasty attitudes and comments on here and on Prince fan pages and I'm thinking like, I'm 25. I couldn't get into Glam Slam at 1 years old and I think the first Prince CD I remember clear as Day is Emancipation. It's nearly impossible to know every piece of knowledge about the man as somebody twice my age, but that doesn't mean I love him any less.

Look at it this way - you have so much awesomeness to discover! I have to say that the most fun I had as a Prince fan was back in the day of physical bootlegs - i.e., before the internet. Looking for stuff, finding it at record shows or through the mail - it was so cool!

This is the journey that you're on. Instead of worrying about "snobs", treasure every single discovery you make on this incredible journey.

Well, as a fan since 1982, here is an official welcome to all new and newer fans. I love sharing my knowledge, collection (listening, not copying and distributing because that is against the rules), experiences, 90's late night Paisley Park concert stories, trivia (I was an extra in one of the Emancipation era VH1 specials...and he cut my freaking speaking roll, but you can still see me), times I met Prince and everything else with y'all.

The ones that do the "You ain't a true fan like me because..." are just insecure and need validation because they have always had this feeling that they owned something, a part of him, that very few others were allowed to. Every time I read one of their snobby comments, the song Joint 2 Joint (Emancipation album) immediately comes to mind, with Prince saying "...oh great, now u think ur my soulmate..."

Checkout a special tribute episode I did for my podcast

http://thesinglemansburde...27-prince/

I highly doubt someone has heard absolutely every little thing Prince has done, since there are thousands of songs out there and many of them may even never see the light of day (sadly) since they are in the vault, so this claim to be 'the number 1 fan' is bs.

It´s great you´re discovering really good music when you could be wasting your time listening to Gagas, Bibers or Swifters..

7souls said:

Checkout a special tribute episode I did for my podcast

http://thesinglemansburde...27-prince/

Cool podcast !

Telecaster5 said:

7souls said:

Checkout a special tribute episode I did for my podcast

http://thesinglemansburde...27-prince/

Cool podcast !

Loved it, Great job

udo said:

ou812Ewokadoodle said:

How long you have been involved on the org does not represent what type of Prince fan you are and there should be no distinction between old users and new users.

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What nonsense is that?

First the bold writing.

Then the ignorance of the org shaping the fan.

Either they become a fam or they become a hardcore fan.

In that the duration of involvement does represent the type of fan one is.

Why are you ignoring reality?

Hi Udo,

I think that ou812Ewokadoodle was simply suggesting that there are many true fans who never felt the need to join the org before, people who may have visited the site regularly as non-members just to keep abreast of the latest news, releases, leaks etc, but didn't feel the need to engage in the community directly. I was certainly one of them. I was a borderline Prince obsessive in my teens (less so as I grew older). This was back in the 90s before widespread internet access, so I unearthed my information the old fashioned way – namely, via books (Per Nilsen), magazines and fanzines (Uptown etc), chatting to people at the NPG store (while it lasted) and discussing circulating material with mack wearing bootleggers in the shady back-streets of London. The assumption that all new members are “johnny-come-latelies” with regard to Prince is simply inaccurate. Not everyone has felt the need to be a part this kind of community before now, being completely content with their relationship with the music itself. The reasons that so many have chosen to join recently seems obvious to me (reasons that do not warrant derision or mistrust). In any case, surely true newcomers should be welcomed wholeheartedly anyway.

As others have suggested, it seems likely that the function of the org will change in light of Prince's passing. The question is whether we want to make it a truly inclusive and welcoming community that plays an active role in promoting Prince's legacy in the long term.

[Edited 8/11/16 5:56am]

AnnaStesia91 said:

I've noticed that being a younger fan I've always felt like there was a lot of snobbery in the Prince community, especially from completists. I was born like 6 months before Diamonds and Pearls was released. Of course I haven't heard every single solitary thing the man put out and I can't own every piece of material because some things are out of print (and therefore out of my price bracket ) I feel like there is a lack of respect where there could be education and embrace. Also annoyed at the people that act like being poor and a Prince fan makes you less of a fan because you can't own all this rare, expensive shit. sorry for the rant, I've just come across some nasty attitudes and comments on here and on Prince fan pages and I'm thinking like, I'm 25. I couldn't get into Glam Slam at 1 years old and I think the first Prince CD I remember clear as Day is Emancipation. It's nearly impossible to know every piece of knowledge about the man as somebody twice my age, but that doesn't mean I love him any less.

I'm now 47, and was lucky enough to become a Prince fan when 1999 came out back in the early 80's. I spent my teen years basking in the glow of Purple Rain, Around The World in a Day, Parade, SOTT and Lovesexy, and was able to buy each and every one of them the week they were first released. But does that make me a better, bigger or more knowledgeable fan that you, or anyone else under 30? No way.

I have commented many times on threads here about how enthused I am when I read posts from young fans. I think that it's amazing that new generations are getting in to Prince. And I also have no issue with people who got on board with Prince after his death. It's irrelevent to me how you or anyone else came to be a fan, and any elitism you might experience on here says much more about those people than it does about you. I wonder why they need to feel superior to you?

Back when I was 11, John Lennon was killed and with The Beatles being EVERYWHERE, I became a huge Beatles/ Lennon fan. I was 11, and wasn't even born when they were practically splitting up.... and I too have experienced that condescending attitude for decades now from 'real' Beatles fans (defined by them 'being there' at the time). In my teens my parents, relatives and their friends who had all been there in the 60's never really took my fandom seriously.... then with the birth of the internet I found myself a victim of ageism in my 30's and 40's from fans in their 60's and 70's, who of course are much more legitimate fans because they remember the 60's. It's bull. I've now been a Beatles fan for almost 36 years, and I'm STILL a newbie in some people's eyes.

As for completists, yes, I have pretty much everything that was legally released by Prince, and some stuff that wasn't, but that means nothing. I bought 'The Rainbow Children' back in 2001, but go on... ask me how many songs I know from it off the top of my head. Two, maybe three? My collection has been 33 years in the making. It's nothing to brag about or hold over a younger fan.

I congratulate you and all younger fans on your great taste in music, and I look forward to learning new things about Prince and his music from all of you.

fen said:

udo said:

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What nonsense is that?

First the bold writing.

Then the ignorance of the org shaping the fan.

Either they become a fam or they become a hardcore fan.

In that the duration of involvement does represent the type of fan one is.

Why are you ignoring reality?

Hi Udo,

I think that ou812Ewokadoodle was simply suggesting that there are many true fans who never felt the need to join the org before, people who may have visited the site regularly as non-members just to keep abreast of the latest news, releases, leaks etc, but didn't feel the need to engage in the community directly. I was certainly one of them. I was a borderline Prince obsessive in my teens (less so as I grew older). This was back in the 90s before widespread internet access, so I unearthed my information the old fashioned way – namely, via books (Per Nilsen), magazines and fanzines (Uptown etc), chatting to people at the NPG store (while it lasted) and discussing circulating material with mack wearing bootleggers in the shady back-streets of London. The assumption that all new members are “johnny-come-latelies” with regard to Prince is simply inaccurate. Not everyone has felt the need to be a part this kind of community before now, being completely content with their relationship with the music itself. The reasons that so many have chosen to join recently seems obvious to me (reasons that do not warrant derision or mistrust). In any case, surely true newcomers should be welcomed wholeheartedly anyway.

As others have suggested, it seems likely that the function of the org will change in light of Prince's passing. The question is whether we want to make it a truly inclusive and welcoming community that plays an active role in promoting Prince's legacy in the long term.

[Edited 8/11/16 5:56am]

to the bold writing.

I'm new here and don't post often but here's my two pennies worth. I think the only way we as fans can truly honour Prince is by being inclusive and welcoming to others. In order to keep his legacy alive we need to pass on our love and knowledge of his music and what his life taught us to others. He gave us so much joy, wonder and amazement it would be a damn shame and a disrespect to him, his lifes work and his memory if we did anything less. As a side note, I do think that the org needs to consider and make a collective decision on what this forums/site direction is going forward now that P has passed.

jayspud said:

clairew1975 said:

I'm 41 and still consider myself young (lol). Before April 21 I never felt the need to join fan clubs, I was quite happy listening to Prince's music and sharing his music with my children. I'd read stuff on here over the years (many years) but never "joined" the club - wish I had sooner as I have discovered so much so thank you for that. After April 21 I joined this community as its the only place where I can talk about Prince without eyes glazing over. I'm sure some know what I mean. I came here to grieve. Grieve my childhood and opportunities lost. I never got to see Prince live, one of my biggest regrets. It was on my bucket list before my husband became too ill & I had to take care of him. No I don't have every physical CD in my possession, no I haven't seen everything....but boy, it's been amazing to discover it and I hope those new to discovering Prince are enjoying it as much as I am. What better way to keep his legacy alive than passing one's knowledge down to the next generation. He'd love that I'm sure

Absolutely.

Little strange 'though, I'm 41 and a British Prince fan

If anything the more you don't have the more there is to look forward to

Nice to know I'm not alone and there's other British fans on here

I subscribed to Tidal in January this year purely for Prince's music. I am listening to everything I can at the moment as I have some catching up to do

RenaRF said:

If you can afford a subscription to Tidal, I believe that's a pretty complete compilation of all of his albums.

I subscribed in January and it had quite a few albums but since his passing I think pretty much everything is on there....

Thankfully my iPad has 120gb so I can play them offline via bluetooth in my car.....his music goes everywhere with me....

Best Prince.

QueenofCardboard said:

ForeverPaisley said:

I have noticed that as well, the wedge between the oldies & newbies - so to speak.

I don't understand it myself. MY first reaction you younger fans is, you've got AMAZING taste in music, what's your favourite song?

Should be no reason for people to belittle you just because you were born in a different year. OR for those who just adamently think their way is the right way/only only (sounds like a song coming on). The whole: you like THAT song/album - that's garbage. Really guys? It's ALL PRINCE MUSIC we're talking about here. I don't consider any of it garbage. Do I like some less than I love others, yes, but am I going to rag on someone else because their opinion is different? Absolutely not. I don't think anyone else should either.

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Please don't let them get to you. There ARE a lot of amazing people in this online community - just brush the negativity off. Sadly in a forum of people who claim they love and support Prince... I for one don't think Prince would condone such judgements when he always boasted that we are all the same. Treat each other that way. Love4OneAnother guys.

Prince is for everybody! Every body, baby. Sometimes people seem a little crabby, just like in real life. The org needs the young and the well - timeless (like Prince)

The happiest day I've had recently was when two friends of my 22 year son, just in passing commented on the sale of his Minneapolis properties and the Fentanyl (only in relation to someone's own father's recent hip surgery and Percoset use). They even knew that Paisley Park wasn't one of the properties that was on the auction block. I could have crossed over from happiness just to see that he still is relevant and talked about. They seemed truly relieved that PP wasn't being sold. I kept my cool but wanted to cry. I looooove that you are here. You truly know some things that I do not. Welcome!!!

AnnaStesia91 said:

I've noticed that being a younger fan I've always felt like there was a lot of snobbery in the Prince community, especially from completists. I was born like 6 months before Diamonds and Pearls was released. Of course I haven't heard every single solitary thing the man put out and I can't own every piece of material because some things are out of print (and therefore out of my price bracket ) I feel like there is a lack of respect where there could be education and embrace. Also annoyed at the people that act like being poor and a Prince fan makes you less of a fan because you can't own all this rare, expensive shit. sorry for the rant, I've just come across some nasty attitudes and comments on here and on Prince fan pages and I'm thinking like, I'm 25. I couldn't get into Glam Slam at 1 years old and I think the first Prince CD I remember clear as Day is Emancipation. It's nearly impossible to know every piece of knowledge about the man as somebody twice my age, but that doesn't mean I love him any less.

I'm so happy you are here!! I haven't been a member long but am a long time fan.

This is such an incredible time to get Youtube music that wasn't available until recently. I just made a 4 CD set of live MP3's and unreleased songs for a birthday gift for my little sister. I've been following the thread that asks "What song have you had in your head today"? That has helped me find the most incredible music that I didn't know existed! That's where I would start. I have other priorities (a child in college) that eats up a lot of money. I'd be happy to share anything. Glad you spoke up for yourself.

RainbowGranny said:

I'm 70 and I'm new here too. In most internet communities (not just this one), newbies can have a tough time integrating and catching up. If you love the music, you can joyously spend years exploring and learning, then applying that learning to your own life. Hopefully it will you lead you to playing music as well. You'll meet some snobs but you'll meet a few who are friendly and generous with their knowledge, support and time. Follow them and completely ignore any nastiness.

That's so cool. So glad to see good taste in music lasts.

7souls said:

Well, as a fan since 1982, here is an official welcome to all new and newer fans. I love sharing my knowledge, collection (listening, not copying and distributing because that is against the rules), experiences, 90's late night Paisley Park concert stories, trivia (I was an extra in one of the Emancipation era VH1 specials...and he cut my freaking speaking roll, but you can still see me), times I met Prince and everything else with y'all.

The ones that do the "You ain't a true fan like me because..." are just insecure and need validation because they have always had this feeling that they owned something, a part of him, that very few others were allowed to. Every time I read one of their snobby comments, the song Joint 2 Joint (Emancipation album) immediately comes to mind, with Prince saying "...oh great, now u think ur my soulmate..."

Checkout a special tribute episode I did for my podcast

http://thesinglemansburde...27-prince/

Thank you!!! Loved it. Rest in Purple

AnnaStesia91 said:

I've noticed that being a younger fan I've always felt like there was a lot of snobbery in the Prince community, especially from completists. I was born like 6 months before Diamonds and Pearls was released. Of course I haven't heard every single solitary thing the man put out and I can't own every piece of material because some things are out of print (and therefore out of my price bracket ) I feel like there is a lack of respect where there could be education and embrace. Also annoyed at the people that act like being poor and a Prince fan makes you less of a fan because you can't own all this rare, expensive shit. sorry for the rant, I've just come across some nasty attitudes and comments on here and on Prince fan pages and I'm thinking like, I'm 25. I couldn't get into Glam Slam at 1 years old and I think the first Prince CD I remember clear as Day is Emancipation. It's nearly impossible to know every piece of knowledge about the man as somebody twice my age, but that doesn't mean I love him any less.

sad to read that. My attitude is frankly 'fuck em' - none of them ever had the balls or talent to look Prince the eye & say it tgo his face. Keyboard warriors live in all communities & sit & pontificate & have zero knowledge, talent etc...if they ever faced their target face to face they normally crumble as has been seen several times with internet trolls.

My advice is to continue enjoying the discovery of his vast musical output at your own pace & be glad that you lived at the same time as Prince.

AnnaStesia91 said:

I've noticed that being a younger fan I've always felt like there was a lot of snobbery in the Prince community, especially from completists. I was born like 6 months before Diamonds and Pearls was released. Of course I haven't heard every single solitary thing the man put out and I can't own every piece of material because some things are out of print (and therefore out of my price bracket ) I feel like there is a lack of respect where there could be education and embrace. Also annoyed at the people that act like being poor and a Prince fan makes you less of a fan because you can't own all this rare, expensive shit. sorry for the rant, I've just come across some nasty attitudes and comments on here and on Prince fan pages and I'm thinking like, I'm 25. I couldn't get into Glam Slam at 1 years old and I think the first Prince CD I remember clear as Day is Emancipation. It's nearly impossible to know every piece of knowledge about the man as somebody twice my age, but that doesn't mean I love him any less.

I must say, this is one of the reasons why I left the Org for a few years. There is indeed a lot of snobbery, and a lot of bullshit, too. If every Org-er who claims they bought For You in '78 actually did, it would have been bigger than Rumours!

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Some Org-ers look down on others if their favourite track/album isn't an obscure bootleg, or was written after 1983, as if you're not a real fan. This is nonsense. The incident that made me decide to leave the Org surrounded me saying I loved the mid-80s work Prince did with Clare Fischer... and this was immediately denounced as "white boy" music, and not the "real" Prince. It was only a small number of narrow-minded idiots, but it made for a very unpleasant atmosphere.

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We all have our favourite eras, our favourite tracks, our favourite albums, and the fact that we all prefer one or another of Prince's many styles should be celebrated. Along with Bowie and Zappa fans, we champion an artist whose pallate was so broad, that there's always something new to discover, something unexpected to delight us, and something to bring everybody together as part of the musical community.

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consistently said:

Some Org-ers look down on others if their favourite track/album isn't an obscure bootleg,

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Some orgers look down on others that could not stay quiet during expen$ive concerts.

clairew1975 said:

jayspud said:

Absolutely.

Little strange 'though, I'm 41 and a British Prince fan

If anything the more you don't have the more there is to look forward to

Nice to know I'm not alone and there's other British fans on here

I subscribed to Tidal in January this year purely for Prince's music. I am listening to everything I can at the moment as I have some catching up to do

I think you'll find there are a lot of us British fans here

coldasice said:

I remember back in March b4 all the Newbies arrived.

So do I. It was filled with elitist cliques and bitter people ranting about how each new Prince album was terrible, and how things were not like in the good old days. Much better place now, don't you think? Great injection of new perspectives and ideas. I'll throw in a couple of b4's and 4U's for good measure..... to show I'm a true fan too.

RainbowGranny said:

I'm 70 and I'm new here too. In most internet communities (not just this one), newbies can have a tough time integrating and catching up. If you love the music, you can joyously spend years exploring and learning, then applying that learning to your own life. Hopefully it will you lead you to playing music as well. You'll meet some snobs but you'll meet a few who are friendly and generous with their knowledge, support and time. Follow them and completely ignore any nastiness.

That is...so awesome. I hope you are perving the picture threads, too .

AnnaStesia91 said:

I've noticed that being a younger fan I've always felt like there was a lot of snobbery in the Prince community, especially from completists. I was born like 6 months before Diamonds and Pearls was released. Of course I haven't heard every single solitary thing the man put out and I can't own every piece of material because some things are out of print (and therefore out of my price bracket ) I feel like there is a lack of respect where there could be education and embrace. Also annoyed at the people that act like being poor and a Prince fan makes you less of a fan because you can't own all this rare, expensive shit.

sorry for the rant, I've just come across some nasty attitudes and comments on here and on Prince fan pages and I'm thinking like, I'm 25. I couldn't get into Glam Slam at 1 years old and I think the first Prince CD I remember clear as Day is Emancipation. It's nearly impossible to know every piece of knowledge about the man as somebody twice my age, but that doesn't mean I love him any less.

I absolutely agree with the each one teach one philosophy. I'm new to the org but not new to Prince and lurked on here off and on for years before finally joining after he passed. I think a lot of the issues regarding negativity towards younger/newer fans on the org relate to possession. Some people feel they own Prince and we all know Prince was not owned by ANYONE and was a man of the world! Not to excuse or condone bad behaviour, but I think I get where they are coming from. They have devoted a huge amount of time, love and devotion to Prince and the Prince World and don't want to let anyone else in. It's really childish when I think about it and it does make me laugh but I am not going to let anyone stop me from learning and loving the man and his music and I suggest to all who have felt distracted by all this superior snobbery to do the same

consistently said:

If every Org-er who claims they bought For You in '78 actually did, it would have been bigger than Rumours!

So funny but true!

Starrdust505 said:

consistently said:

If every Org-er who claims they bought For You in '78 actually did, it would have been bigger than Rumours!

So funny but true!

I got the boot leg back in 72

How much of this stuff coincides with the millennials' stuff?

(please do your own research to find out what type of 'stuff' is accredited to them)