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Reply #30 posted 08/18/16 9:11am

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Thanx 4 the link. If you ask me, this information is incorrect. In my recollection, the show ended when P was behind his piano when a ton of water came down on him and the piano, because the wind came underneath the plastic sheeting, causing the water to drop on top of him.
So when he was behind his piano, it must have been either during The Question Of U or Ain't No Way/Nothing Compares 2 U.
And we all know it wasn't during The Question Of U because everyone went crazy during that song and the guitar solo that followed. So that leaves with Ain't No Way/NC2U.
Rosie did the leads on Ain't No Way so that leaves us with only NC2U.

I'm not saying the show lasted for only 20 or 30 minutes, but it wasn't any longer than 50-60 minutes. I asked my friend who I went to the concert with back then and he says the same although he thought it was during Do Me Baby. Don't know, could be. I only remember it was during a ballad and it was so early in the evening that the sun wasn't even remotely setting (okay it was raining heavily but still broad daylight).
After the guy from Mojo Concerts went on stage to tell us that P was on his way to his hotel, the whole stadium started singing 'hij is een hondelul' (not suitable for translation btw lol ).
The next day the papers were full of comments about P leaving early. There wouldn't have been so much racket if the concert would have lasted for 80 minutes.
And then there's the tapes I had that were totally different from what is circulating nowadays. I'm so sure about it.
Anyway, long story.

I'd like to know if you were there that night and what your recollection is? Because I really can't remember the show went on up to BIAS? But now you make me doubt myself (a bit). wink
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Reply #31 posted 08/18/16 10:31am

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I was there, show ended with BIAS.

Back on topic, both of the Vienna shows are circulating also (audio).
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Reply #32 posted 08/18/16 2:54pm

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rob1965 said:[quote]Thanx 4 the link. If you ask me, this information is incorrect. In my recollection, the show ended when P was behind his piano when a ton of water came down on him and the piano, because the wind came underneath the plastic sheeting, causing the water to drop on top of him.
So when he was behind his piano, it must have been either during The Question Of U or Ain't No Way/Nothing Compares 2 U.
And we all know it wasn't during The Question Of U because everyone went crazy during that song and the guitar solo that followed. So that leaves with Ain't No Way/NC2U.
Rosie did the leads on Ain't No Way so that leaves us with only NC2U.

I'm not saying the show lasted for only 20 or 30 minutes, but it wasn't any longer than 50-60 minutes. I asked my friend who I went to the concert with back then and he says the same although he thought it was during Do Me Baby. Don't know, could be. I only remember it was during a ballad and it was so early in the evening that the sun wasn't even remotely setting (okay it was raining heavily but still broad daylight).
After the guy from Mojo Concerts went on stage to tell us that P was on his way to his hotel, the whole stadium started singing 'hij is een hondelul' (not suitable for translation btw lol ).
The next day the papers were full of comments about P leaving early. There wouldn't have been so much racket if the concert would have lasted for 80 minutes.
And then there's the tapes I had that were totally different from what is circulating nowadays. I'm so sure about it.
Anyway, long story.

I'd like to know if you were there that night and what your recollection is? Because I really can't remember the show went on up to BIAS? But now you make me doubt myself (a bit). wink
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Yep, i sang along with the hij is een hondenlul chant, wink
In my memory it surely was a short gig. More than 30 minutes, but no 80.
I really have no idea what song he was playing when t he show stopped. But i know for sure it was noweher near a natural ending.
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Reply #33 posted 08/18/16 11:56pm

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Ah, thanks 4 your comment. I will give my current cd of that night a listen.
Because the DAT intro on June 2nd failed: the intro was done when The Future started and during the first notes of the song, the DAT intro started all over again by mistake (the guy responsible was probably fired wink ). I'll check it this afrernoon.
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Reply #34 posted 08/19/16 8:59am

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rob1965 said:

Ah, thanks 4 your comment. I will give my current cd of that night a listen. Because the DAT intro on June 2nd failed: the intro was done when The Future started and during the first notes of the song, the DAT intro started all over again by mistake (the guy responsible was probably fired wink ). I'll check it this afrernoon.

Enjoy!

I came to appreciate the gig later wink

Wonderfull performance of the then unknown question of U.

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Reply #35 posted 08/19/16 9:10am

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Oh hell, it sure was. Me and my friend went berserk on the guitar solo. Watched the Tokyo show last night and with video footage it's even better.

All the flashing lights that night in de Kuip on the rhythm of the beat were so cool. 50,000 lighters going on and off. Fantastic!

Anyway, I checked my recording in the meantime and the fault with the DAT intro during The Future is not there. So it must be the 3rd. cool

Can we rename this thread Please?? lol wink
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Reply #36 posted 08/27/16 12:05pm

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I was there, show ended with BIAS. Back on topic, both of the Vienna shows are circulating also (audio).

but r they EXC quality? i think not

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Reply #37 posted 08/27/16 5:21pm

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luvsexy4all said:

flaton said:

I was there, show ended with BIAS. Back on topic, both of the Vienna shows are circulating also (audio).

but r they EXC quality? i think not

I've only heard the recording from the 29th but I would definitely describe it as excellent imo, sure it's not a soundboard recording but for an audience recording from the 80s it's pretty damn astounding. It also contains a really rare performance of Dorothy Parker and is well worth seeking out. Apparently the recording from the 30th is similarly excellent in quality but I can't comment on that.

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Reply #38 posted 08/27/16 7:38pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

TrivialPursuit said:


And really neither is the movie of course. It was all lip synced at Paisley Park, except those few grainy shots in "ICNTTPOYM" and "IGBABN". Albert Magnoli certain did a good job of piecing it all together, but I'd really love to see any of the actual concert somewhere.

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I think that we can only hope that there are some video captures of gigs in the PP archive, because news coverage at the time was extremely limited. IIRC concert photographers were limited to SOTT, and that was performed mostly in in dense "fog". I don't think there are any fan captures circulating, and after all this time it would be very surprising for new fan footage to appear now.

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Such a shame this landmark tour is barely documented.


We'll have to wait.

It's plausible that, the movie being lip-synced (maybe not ALL of it), the original PP vocal tracks are
still somewhere on the multi-track tape, they just have been muted (unless they received the "Wally" treatment).

Given the fantastic quadriphonic sound system
of the SOTT tour, one can assume all the sound signals went through a state-of-the-art console,
possibly from a mobile recording studio truck.
I remember seeing a pic on the org of a woman resembling
Susan Rogers, with a "SOTT Tour 1987" T-Shirt, seated in front of an upright console,
with racks of pre-amps. Big fat hardware for the times, if you ask me.
Maybe all of the SOTT Tour has been professionnaly recorded and the tapes are waiting in the Vault.


Food for thought : The "U Got The Look" was filmed in Paris, June 14th 1987, after the concert.
The folks dancing in the video are lucky parisian fans that didn't leave the hall right away.

Maybe not all the final shots come from that evening, it could be half Minneapolis half Paris, but still,
everything looks undoubtely pro.

The last grainy shot (virtually all movies look grainy before mastering) of IGBABN
is a panoramic of Paris Bercy, that same evening.
Trust me, I know this for a fact, because the travelling ends on me dancing like a lunatic,
it's the shot right before "Confusion!".
I was in the first row, so the camera was placed between the stage and the front rows.
So it's highly probable that the whole Paris concert was filmed.

The week after the concert I heard from several enthusiastic sources about
the "U Got The Look" shooting (and loathed myself for leaving too early).

In the intro of "U Got The Look", when Prince is taking a nap and dreams, we have a glimpse of "Kiss",
and other brief shots of performances: maybe they have been made in PP,
but the shots of Sheena Easton driving the Citroën DS have been made in Paris for sure,
my fellow Parisians will agree. We know our city. And these shots look pro as well.
It makes little sense that Sheena took afterwards a plane to Paris with a crew just to film a few seconds.


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Reply #39 posted 08/27/16 7:57pm

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Also, for years we thought that the only footage from the Parade Tour (outside of Cobo)
consisted in some excerpts that the national TV networks were allowed to film.

I remember seeing 30 seconds of "Raspberry Beret" from the 1986 Paris Zenith
on the evening news, on the national french TV (they were only 3 TV channels in France at the time).

I had one minute and a half of "Play In The Sunshine" on a VHS tape,
recorded on the italian TV news, from 1987 Milan's Palatrussardi.

I remember seeing 30 seconds of "Sister", from 1988 Paris Bercy.

These excerpts were aired the same evening of the first concert given in a major city,
on the national evening news.

I'm pretty sure other excerpts were aired the same ways, for other european venues.
Ol' european orgers may confirm that.

Again, it seems very odd that a full crew (pro cameras weighted a ton in the eighties)
would be moved there just to film a handful of seconds.
My guess is that there are unedited full concerts,
of all the eighties tours, laying on a shelf in the Vault.

I sure hope Bremer is currently hiring top-notch video professionals
to transfer all of this to digital.



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Reply #40 posted 08/27/16 11:12pm

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bonatoc said:

Also, for years we thought that the only footage from the Parade Tour (outside of Cobo)
consisted in some excerpts that the national TV networks were allowed to film.

I remember seeing 30 seconds of "Raspberry Beret" from the 1986 Paris Zenith
on the evening news, on the national french TV (they were only 3 TV channels in France at the time).

I had one minute and a half of "Play In The Sunshine" on a VHS tape,
recorded on the italian TV news, from 1987 Milan's Palatrussardi.

I remember seeing 30 seconds of "Sister", from 1988 Paris Bercy.

These excerpts were aired the same evening of the first concert given in a major city,
on the national evening news.

I'm pretty sure other excerpts were aired the same ways, for other european venues.
Ol' european orgers may confirm that.

Again, it seems very odd that a full crew (pro cameras weighted a ton in the eighties)
would be moved there just to film a handful of seconds.
My guess is that there are unedited full concerts,
of all the eighties tours, laying on a shelf in the Vault.

I sure hope Bremer is currently hiring top-notch video professionals
to transfer all of this to digital.





I remember this too: same with short excerpts on Dutch TV from the Lovesexy and Nude shows in Rotterdam. There must be more footage available. Although on the other hand, some networks were allowed to shoot some footage and mostly they were given 60 seconds or so to do it.
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