djThunderfunk said:

Mintchip said:

i mean...for a song to have been an anthem...it would've had to be an anthem...right??? Put another way - I don't know the song was ever really embraced by anyone other then Prince fans, and people who liked to hear the word pussy. I don't remember hearing it much. Certainly not enough to be an anthem.

I was DJing clubs from 99-02ish. Pussy Control was one of only 1/2 dozen Prince songs I could play and always get a good response, and of those 1/2 dozen it was the most requested.

The song became an underground club anthem for sure. And every DJ was looking for but couldn't find a vinyl copy. The guys I worked with were mad because I wouldn't let them mix with my promo vinyl copy but no way were they handling that colored vinyl!!

Cool. I'd have loved to have heard that in clubs back in the day.

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By the way I don't know if you've noticed DJ, off topic a bit - 3 Nights In Miami Glam Slam, 94 (Remastered) is now on iTunes and sounds better than ever to me.

dodger said:

djThunderfunk said:

I was DJing clubs from 99-02ish. Pussy Control was one of only 1/2 dozen Prince songs I could play and always get a good response, and of those 1/2 dozen it was the most requested.

The song became an underground club anthem for sure. And every DJ was looking for but couldn't find a vinyl copy. The guys I worked with were mad because I wouldn't let them mix with my promo vinyl copy but no way were they handling that colored vinyl!!

Cool. I'd have loved to have heard that in clubs back in the day.

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By the way I don't know if you've noticed DJ, off topic a bit - 3 Nights In Miami Glam Slam, 94 (Remastered) is now on iTunes and sounds better than ever to me.

Have they found a copy that doesn't have that annoying BUZZ? I see it's for sale on Amazon, but I hate to pay for a bootleg, even one that has a legal "loophole". Maybe someone will post it on one of the many bootleg sites, hope so because I don't want to monetarily support those vultures that are selling it.

EDIT: I notice the one on Amazon is on Jamie Lewis' Purple Music label. Shameful!! Prince worked with them to release a couple singles and they do him like this. Fk those guys.

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MendesCity said:

Sometimes instead of asking "Are you a feminist?" the question should be: "You're not an asshole right?"

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Honestly, I know this is more P&R but with the track record modern day feminism has, you'd be suprised just how many women themselves are against 2016-brand-feminism these days. Myself included.

I have read statements from many people that Prince supported women's rights because he mentored young women and had female band members. Really? Love his music, but he seemed to not have women around him who would or could stand up to him. The women were his employees, or proteges. Subservient positions all. Even his wives seemed to have been treated insensitively. Was there a woman over 35 around him in the last years of his life? This probably can be traced back to his relationship with his mother, but I personally don't think he supported feminism or anything like it.

Nah...

This song answers the question "What if Prince wrote the Reading Rainbow theme as a PSA to stay in school and to keep your legs closed?"

The whole "lady as Prince turns into sexy stripper" part of some performances kind of goes against it being some rah rah feminist anthem.

I think there's an argument that it was really an allegor... industry?

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Elvis had a crazy lifestyle, whether you want to overlook that or not is your business. He found out priscilla was fucking Mike Stone and so he raped her and he cried while he did it.

I believe the prince story because it rings true, you can search for it on here, but I've read it in books too. never seen pics of her with a cast but she was never really that much of a celebrity.

Well, crying when he raped her. He must be a decent guy after all. ARE YOU KIDDING!

You also seem very happy to condemn P on scant evidence. Breaking someones arm is a heavy thing. Is that how you think of him? Is that OK in your world? Is there any actual evidence that points to it happening (beside being in a book)?

As for being about the industry - that makes sense now. It seemed very off if it was about women.

No. Its a song about how you can be a petty gold diggin dummy. You can walk over those who have hurt you. Look down on those who make less money than you and believe in what a man SAYS to you.

sunset3121 said:

Elvis had a crazy lifestyle, whether you want to overlook that or not is your business. He found out priscilla was fucking Mike Stone and so he raped her and he cried while he did it.

I believe the prince story because it rings true, you can search for it on here, but I've read it in books too. never seen pics of her with a cast but she was never really that much of a celebrity.

Well, crying when he raped her. He must be a decent guy after all. ARE YOU KIDDING!

You also seem very happy to condemn P on scant evidence. Breaking someones arm is a heavy thing. Is that how you think of him? Is that OK in your world? Is there any actual evidence that points to it happening (beside being in a book)?

As for being about the industry - that makes sense now. It seemed very off if it was about women.

did i condemn prince? I'll have to go back and check, i don't think i did. what i'm saying is something women sometimes can't see. All of us men have huge flaws, pretty much all of us have done some rotten things somewhere along the line. We all do evil things, women do to, it's in us. Part of the human condition. I don't get into too much judging because we're all pretty flawed, all of us. Dishonest, manipulative, selfish, greed, envious, jealous. I'm not ready to give up my fanship of Elvis or Prince (or any of the heroes I've had who've let me down in some way) because of a few mistakes.

tahirih said:

No. Its a song about how you can be a petty gold diggin dummy. You can walk over those who have hurt you. Look down on those who make less money than you and believe in what a man SAYS to you.

haha, that's pretty good. Maybe the real anthem was the most beautiful girl in the world. P-control may have been a reaction to the misogny of hip hop too. But let me say this, either way, it's hard to get to the truth. I've known some formerly misogynistic men who ended up being the most pussy whipped men I've ever seen. so, words, songs, declarations, i know from experience really don't mean anything and often are just belie a different attitude or reality. It's like the gay homophobe, or rather the shakespear saying "the lady doth protest too much".

Most people don't do evil things. I don't know anyone, friends, family or acquaintances that have ever done anything evil. The few people that do evil to others (such as Elvis if he was a rapist) need help - in a secure environment where they can't hurt anyone else. Most people are kind and generous more often than they are selfish and greedy and that includes the men as much as the women.

I used condemn as: Condemn 2. to pronounce to be guilty

You said you believed P was guilty of breaking Jill's arm.

I guess it is. This part makes me laugh just because of the way he talks:

Say what, huh? (Oh)
Oh no, don't U think about callin' her a ho (Are U ready?)
U juvenile delinquent
Best sit your ass down
Talkin' about Pussy Control
Huh, can U dig it?

sunset3121 said:

Most people don't do evil things. I don't know anyone, friends, family or acquaintances that have ever done anything evil. The few people that do evil to others (such as Elvis if he was a rapist) need help - in a secure environment where they can't hurt anyone else. Most people are kind and generous more often than they are selfish and greedy and that includes the men as much as the women.

I used condemn as: Condemn 2. to pronounce to be guilty

You said you believed P was guilty of breaking Jill's arm.

i do believe it, and yes, we all do evil things, just cuz you see a person everyday don't act like you know everything about them. in fact, i once heard a stat in a sociology class that said 90 percent of the population would be felons if the worst things they did were caught and fully punished. I don't go buy appearances, if i did that, hell, lots of people are wonderful.

also, there is a rumor completely unsubstantiated that prince told chili from tlc he was going to take her around the world or some shit. he hooked up with her, screwed her and dumped her on the side of the road, if that's true, and I hope it's not, then Prince ain't a whole lot better. Breaking arms, singing about rape, dumping girls as soon as he screws em. Take any of us for our worst sins and we're rotten, that includes guys like Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, the Dalai Lama, and women like Mother Teresa too.

In regards to what PeteSilas has been saying- I do think people tend to sugarcoat how he treated women at times in his life. Because of how androgenous he was, people like to also throw in the idea that he was some radical gender-bending feminista type. He wasn't really.

Prince has been an arse to MANY women over the years and treated them not exactly stellar. He is notorious for having a nasty side, not just to women, to men too. At men he seems to get angry and even start fights sometimes (Nude tour 1990 with Miko was it??). At women he seems to like to leave them in the dark once they either piss him off or he gets bored of them. And I don't doubt that Prince loved women and the company of women, but to say his actions towards them were always lets just say 'feminist-friendly', I'd have to disagree.

A lot of the time, he knew what he was doing and he was using it to his advantage (like the underwear fiasco with Gayle Chapman).

I think in his later years he warmed up a little, mostly due to his being celibate, so it forced him to see women in general a lot more as platonic friends than potential partners. Because in his hey-day he would constantly date multiple women, so the opportunity for sex or a relationship was ALWAYS open. Where as in his later years, he had to keep himself closed off and only chose one woman. So even if he was in a relationship, he could still be friends with women, but it would HAVE to be platonic.

That IS if he followed his JW regime anyways We'll never know.

PeteSilas said:

sunset3121 said:

Most people don't do evil things. I don't know anyone, friends, family or acquaintances that have ever done anything evil. The few people that do evil to others (such as Elvis if he was a rapist) need help - in a secure environment where they can't hurt anyone else. Most people are kind and generous more often than they are selfish and greedy and that includes the men as much as the women.

I used condemn as: Condemn 2. to pronounce to be guilty

You said you believed P was guilty of breaking Jill's arm.

i do believe it, and yes, we all do evil things, just cuz you see a person everyday don't act like you know everything about them. in fact, i once heard a stat in a sociology class that said 90 percent of the population would be felons if the worst things they did were caught and fully punished. I don't go buy appearances, if i did that, hell, lots of people are wonderful.

I know for sure I haven't done anything evil. I'm pretty certain my immediate family and none of my friends have ever done anything evil.

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I am sure a lot of kids/young people push boundaries but I don't think that 90% felons thing makes 90% evil. I would also question where they have drawn the line on a felony to get the figures that high. Most of that stuff they just grow out of and its best if they are not overly criminalised.

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I think the worst things people seem to do is to mess up their own lives (drink, drugs, gambling, messing up relationships over trivia - none of which is evil, just human).

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Lots of people are wonderful - and that's not going off their appearance but their actions. Equally, no-one is perfect but that is a long way from evil.

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Again, why do you believe it? Where is the evidence? If someone broke my arm I wouldn't be waiting around for it to happen again. If she was foolish enough to stay you would have thought she would not be putting up with being sidelined for so long after that.

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What is this 'everyone is evil' thing really about?

Angelsoncrack said:

MendesCity said:

Sometimes instead of asking "Are you a feminist?" the question should be: "You're not an asshole right?"

[Edited 7/12/16 4:47am]

Honestly, I know this is more P&R but with the track record modern day feminism has, you'd be suprised just how many women themselves are against 2016-brand-feminism these days. Myself included.

Feminism means equal rights for women. Not sure how's there any justifiable argument against that. What do you mean by "modern track record"?

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Angelsoncrack said:

In regards to what PeteSilas has been saying- I do think people tend to sugarcoat how he treated women at times in his life. Because of how androgenous he was, people like to also throw in the idea that he was some radical gender-bending feminista type. He wasn't really.

Prince has been an arse to MANY women over the years and treated them not exactly stellar. He is notorious for having a nasty side, not just to women, to men too. At men he seems to get angry and even start fights sometimes (Nude tour 1990 with Miko was it??). At women he seems to like to leave them in the dark once they either piss him off or he gets bored of them. And I don't doubt that Prince loved women and the company of women, but to say his actions towards them were always lets just say 'feminist-friendly', I'd have to disagree.

A lot of the time, he knew what he was doing and he was using it to his advantage (like the underwear fiasco with Gayle Chapman).

I think in his later years he warmed up a little, mostly due to his being celibate, so it forced him to see women in general a lot more as platonic friends than potential partners. Because in his hey-day he would constantly date multiple women, so the opportunity for sex or a relationship was ALWAYS open. Where as in his later years, he had to keep himself closed off and only chose one woman. So even if he was in a relationship, he could still be friends with women, but it would HAVE to be platonic.

That IS if he followed his JW regime anyways We'll never know.

Yes, I would have said quite far from feminist, especially in that he seemed to have one set of rules of behaviour for himself and another set for the ladies in his life. From what has been said, he deliberatly set out to mislead girlfiends (with lots of talk about marriage for example).

Having said that, he didn't exactly hide his nature and they could have walked any time. If people (men or women) chose to stay that is thier decision. The 16/17 year olds (groomed until they turned 18) was unpleasant though.

MendesCity said:

Angelsoncrack said:

Honestly, I know this is more P&R but with the track record modern day feminism has, you'd be suprised just how many women themselves are against 2016-brand-feminism these days. Myself included.

Feminism means equal rights for women. Not sure how's there any justifiable argument against that. What do you mean by "modern track record"?

[Edited 7/13/16 4:54am]

As in what feminism in 2016 is. I'm simply not a fan and as a woman do not feel that these people are helping any cause. It's honestly such a big topic but I'll give you a quick run down as to why I personally am not a fan:

-The constant victim-hood status of many prolific feminists and the push to make women everywhere feel victimised by an invisible force

-The way the ideology is pushed into academia (university campuses) everywhere

-The echo-chamber/hugbox aspect to these people who support this (any form of alternate opinion makes them feel attacked or as it is more commonly named 'triggered')

-General OTT cry-baby politics such as 'man-spreading' etcetra etcetra meanwhile women in 3rd world countries are being literally enslaved/raped/murdered.

I feel like a lot of these women just want special treatment- not equality. I also dislike how feminists like to claim that they stand up for mens rights yet the second any form of mens rights is brought up it is drowned out by a chorus of harpies screaming about the patriarchy opressing them.

I'm not even lying about this either, there was a conference set up to talk about the appauling statistics of mens suicide rates and it was bombarded outside by 3rd wave feminists screaming at them for being 'misogynists' etc.

I am not alone in this opinon. Many young women like myself are aware of the utter batshit-craziness that goes on under the feminism flag these days and refuse to be a part of it and refer to themselves as egalitarians or humanists.

Angelsoncrack said:

MendesCity said:

Feminism means equal rights for women. Not sure how's there any justifiable argument against that. What do you mean by "modern track record"?

[Edited 7/13/16 4:54am]

As in what feminism in 2016 is. I'm simply not a fan and as a woman do not feel that these people are helping any cause. It's honestly such a big topic but I'll give you a quick run down as to why I personally am not a fan:

-The constant victim-hood status of many prolific feminists and the push to make women everywhere feel victimised by an invisible force

-The way the ideology is pushed into academia (university campuses) everywhere

-The echo-chamber/hugbox aspect to these people who support this (any form of alternate opinion makes them feel attacked or as it is more commonly named 'triggered')

-General OTT cry-baby politics such as 'man-spreading' etcetra etcetra meanwhile women in 3rd world countries are being literally enslaved/raped/murdered.

I feel like a lot of these women just want special treatment- not equality. I also dislike how feminists like to claim that they stand up for mens rights yet the second any form of mens rights is brought up it is drowned out by a chorus of harpies screaming about the patriarchy opressing them.

I'm not even lying about this either, there was a conference set up to talk about the appauling statistics of mens suicide rates and it was bombarded outside by 3rd wave feminists screaming at them for being 'misogynists' etc.

I am not alone in this opinon. Many young women like myself are aware of the utter batshit-craziness that goes on under the feminism flag these days and refuse to be a part of it and refer to themselves as egalitarians or humanists.

I am a woman and I do feel similar with your take on Modern Day Feminism. When I was refering to Prince's "brand" of feminism I mean the power of femininity, celebrating the unique gifts women have (not trying to be men or shame men for how they are) but in the song I feel actually has a feminist message-stay focused, don't give your power away to a man, don't be a sex object (yes I know, odd coming from Prince). Actually, when I first heard it when I was a teen I thought he was kind of encouraging girls to avoid teen pregnancy and to keep your sexuality in check, so you will wouldn't be at an economic disadvantage and/or stay focused to create an empowered life.

No, but its a cool track on one of his best albums (post Lovesexy).

Pussy Control is a STRIPPER anthem.

Blakbear said:

sunset3121 said:

True, but the church I knew was distancing itself from this sort of thing, not emphasising it. There is a clear reason why i couldn't cope with religion - I don't do well with leaders.

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I don't know P but I think he was probably more feminist than the average 70's male. I am used to men that are more wholeheartedly feminist (in our youth we were all vegan, Ethical Consumer was our bible and we all enjoyed fighting 'causes' (for many of the women that included feminist causes) - they are all truly beautiful people and a lot of them are still working for or running charities). Delivering the underwear for Gayle was not one of P's feminist moments for example.

"dumped this bag of metallic, multi-coloured underwear ... 'Prince said wear this or you're fired',” recalled Gayle Chapman"

Yeah, I see your point. Also, bro had no notion of how o buy women's underwear, either -- I think she mentioned everything was the wrong size, and she had to go buy everything in the proper size.

Prince seemed to be a little bit... confused on how to actually deal with women. I think he needed a little more training with Andre's mom.

Rule 1: Don't buy a woman's undergarments unless you actually know what freaking size she is.

Rule 2: Stop being a jerknerd.

Rule 3: No really, stop it.

LMAO.

But yes, I would have lasted about 30 seconds because I would have gotten proper underwear and then used some of the bag o' undies to make babouskas & leg warmers. (I'm pretty small, so it might work?)

I mean, you wanna be outré I will out outré you any time.

"But you dress like a Mormon and I haven't heard you swear in three years!"

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sunset3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

i do believe it, and yes, we all do evil things, just cuz you see a person everyday don't act like you know everything about them. in fact, i once heard a stat in a sociology class that said 90 percent of the population would be felons if the worst things they did were caught and fully punished. I don't go buy appearances, if i did that, hell, lots of people are wonderful.

I know for sure I haven't done anything evil. I'm pretty certain my immediate family and none of my friends have ever done anything evil.

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I am sure a lot of kids/young people push boundaries but I don't think that 90% felons thing makes 90% evil. I would also question where they have drawn the line on a felony to get the figures that high. Most of that stuff they just grow out of and its best if they are not overly criminalised.

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I think the worst things people seem to do is to mess up their own lives (drink, drugs, gambling, messing up relationships over trivia - none of which is evil, just human).

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Lots of people are wonderful - and that's not going off their appearance but their actions. Equally, no-one is perfect but that is a long way from evil.

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Again, why do you believe it? Where is the evidence? If someone broke my arm I wouldn't be waiting around for it to happen again. If she was foolish enough to stay you would have thought she would not be putting up with being sidelined for so long after that.

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What is this 'everyone is evil' thing really about?

maybe you live in a whole different universe than I do. Maybe you are a wonderful person, I wouldn't know really. People who tend to say those kinds of things don't have that great of a track record. Humans, being the way the are, tend to project, rationalize, minimize or repress things they've done wrong. Not admit them openly. I can only go on my life and what I've experienced but I've known so many "wonderful" "successful" people who once you get to know them, you see them for what they are an it's not what they show to the world. In fact, alot of what people show publicly is nothing like who they are. Just look at Prince, the control freak who abstained from drugs, ending up just like the rest of the rockstars. I do believe that he did that to Jill, I wasn't there, so I don't know. But let's just say, given all the nasty things he's done to people, and also, his high strung and stressful lifestyle, I could see him snapping. Now, the issue of human evil, what is it? well, according to Joseph Campbell, "Everything we do is evil to someone". That's a wide net to cast so I'll just say that were are both good and evil, capable of terrible things and great things. The same Prince who broke Jill's arm is the guy who gave out checks and money to people he didn't even know.

Angelsoncrack said:

MendesCity said:

Feminism means equal rights for women. Not sure how's there any justifiable argument against that. What do you mean by "modern track record"?

[Edited 7/13/16 4:54am]

As in what feminism in 2016 is. I'm simply not a fan and as a woman do not feel that these people are helping any cause. It's honestly such a big topic but I'll give you a quick run down as to why I personally am not a fan:

-The constant victim-hood status of many prolific feminists and the push to make women everywhere feel victimised by an invisible force

-The way the ideology is pushed into academia (university campuses) everywhere

-The echo-chamber/hugbox aspect to these people who support this (any form of alternate opinion makes them feel attacked or as it is more commonly named 'triggered')

-General OTT cry-baby politics such as 'man-spreading' etcetra etcetra meanwhile women in 3rd world countries are being literally enslaved/raped/murdered.

I feel like a lot of these women just want special treatment- not equality. I also dislike how feminists like to claim that they stand up for mens rights yet the second any form of mens rights is brought up it is drowned out by a chorus of harpies screaming about the patriarchy opressing them.

I'm not even lying about this either, there was a conference set up to talk about the appauling statistics of mens suicide rates and it was bombarded outside by 3rd wave feminists screaming at them for being 'misogynists' etc.

I am not alone in this opinon. Many young women like myself are aware of the utter batshit-craziness that goes on under the feminism flag these days and refuse to be a part of it and refer to themselves as egalitarians or humanists.

a lot of it is just so bizarre to me. Dr. Boyce Watkins, a youtube commenter, said that feminism is just a forum for already privileged white women to whine and know that they are going to get attention. I think that has some truth to it, the white woman is the highest on the social ladder in many ways. She is the reason for many of the crazy drug laws, many lynchings etc.., Obviously, the work world is still a patriarchal place but I believe that there is a flipside to the patriarchy. After all, lots of women get to let their man do all the work while they sit at home and have kids and no one calls them a bum or anything. They also are treated much kinder in the workplace (sexual harrasment not withstanding). Now, I know the issue of pay and the real issue of sex in the workplace exists, I'm not stupid. But I also think many jobs and many men, favor having women around them, and you know what? I can't blame them, i'd rather be around women than men myself. Men in this society are just too aggressive and too competitive which would be ok if there is a battle worth fighting, but usually there isn't. The sexes are reversing though, men are being feminized and women are being masculinized. I don't think it's an accident and I don't think it's all bad but there are definitely problems to it. Worldwide women get dogged, but in my life and my experience, women run the roost in most cases. When I said that women were the "seat of power" in my college class, if the women stopped huffing and puffing for a minute they would see that I meant that women are the reason that men do everything they do. they work and struggle to impress, to win over, to support a family etc..,

Angelsoncrack said:

MendesCity said:

Feminism means equal rights for women. Not sure how's there any justifiable argument against that. What do you mean by "modern track record"?

[Edited 7/13/16 4:54am]

As in what feminism in 2016 is. I'm simply not a fan and as a woman do not feel that these people are helping any cause. It's honestly such a big topic but I'll give you a quick run down as to why I personally am not a fan:

-The constant victim-hood status of many prolific feminists and the push to make women everywhere feel victimised by an invisible force

-The way the ideology is pushed into academia (university campuses) everywhere

-The echo-chamber/hugbox aspect to these people who support this (any form of alternate opinion makes them feel attacked or as it is more commonly named 'triggered')

-General OTT cry-baby politics such as 'man-spreading' etcetra etcetra meanwhile women in 3rd world countries are being literally enslaved/raped/murdered.

I feel like a lot of these women just want special treatment- not equality. I also dislike how feminists like to claim that they stand up for mens rights yet the second any form of mens rights is brought up it is drowned out by a chorus of harpies screaming about the patriarchy opressing them.

I'm not even lying about this either, there was a conference set up to talk about the appauling statistics of mens suicide rates and it was bombarded outside by 3rd wave feminists screaming at them for being 'misogynists' etc.

I am not alone in this opinon. Many young women like myself are aware of the utter batshit-craziness that goes on under the feminism flag these days and refuse to be a part of it and refer to themselves as egalitarians or humanists.

To me, what you're reacting to is more the prevalence of PC/academic culture (which I agree can be really oppressive) rather than what feminism actually means. That said, calling out misrepresentations of the core concept (like the ones you cited) is defintely important.

As for Prince, I think he loves and respects women, as evidenced both by many of his songs and his support of women in the music industry. The only time it got dicey for me was at the height of the JW period (esp Muse 2 the Pharoah, which I'm still not sure I understand when it comes to his intention).

Angelsoncrack said:

MendesCity said:

Feminism means equal rights for women. Not sure how's there any justifiable argument against that. What do you mean by "modern track record"?

[Edited 7/13/16 4:54am]

As in what feminism in 2016 is. I'm simply not a fan and as a woman do not feel that these people are helping any cause. It's honestly such a big topic but I'll give you a quick run down as to why I personally am not a fan:

-The constant victim-hood status of many prolific feminists and the push to make women everywhere feel victimised by an invisible force

-The way the ideology is pushed into academia (university campuses) everywhere

-The echo-chamber/hugbox aspect to these people who support this (any form of alternate opinion makes them feel attacked or as it is more commonly named 'triggered')

-General OTT cry-baby politics such as 'man-spreading' etcetra etcetra meanwhile women in 3rd world countries are being literally enslaved/raped/murdered.

I feel like a lot of these women just want special treatment- not equality. I also dislike how feminists like to claim that they stand up for mens rights yet the second any form of mens rights is brought up it is drowned out by a chorus of harpies screaming about the patriarchy opressing them.

I'm not even lying about this either, there was a conference set up to talk about the appauling statistics of mens suicide rates and it was bombarded outside by 3rd wave feminists screaming at them for being 'misogynists' etc.

I am not alone in this opinon. Many young women like myself are aware of the utter batshit-craziness that goes on under the feminism flag these days and refuse to be a part of it and refer to themselves as egalitarians or humanists.

Krystalkisses said:

I am a woman and I do feel similar with your take on Modern Day Feminism. When I was refering to Prince's "brand" of feminism I mean the power of femininity, celebrating the unique gifts women have (not trying to be men or shame men for how they are) but in the song I feel actually has a feminist message-stay focused, don't give your power away to a man, don't be a sex object (yes I know, odd coming from Prince). Actually, when I first heard it when I was a teen I thought he was kind of encouraging girls to avoid teen pregnancy and to keep your sexuality in check, so you will wouldn't be at an economic disadvantage and/or stay focused to create an empowered life.

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Back to the question:

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"Was P. Control a Feminist Anthem?"

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Yes. If it isn't it aught to be.

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The song is meant to inspire women to take their futures into their own hands.

When I listen to it I could just substitute the word "Pussy" Control for "Birth" Control.

Because if women don't have reproductive control there is no point in even thinking about gender equality under the law.

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It is obvious to me that Prince practically worshipped pussies.

He wanted to show each and every one of them how special they were, and how they aught to be treated.

He also wanted to tell men how they aught to treat pussies.

And Prince didn't idealize virgins, nor did he despise whores.

He celebrated sexually active women, and thought that they should have orgasms, not babies.

I love his type of feminism.

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Can I tell U what I'm thinkin' that U already know?
U need a motherfucker that respects your name"
Now say it, Pussy Control (Are U ready?)

Aaah, Pussy Control, oh
Aaah, Pussy Control, oh

And the moral of this motherfucker is
Ladies, make'em act like they know
U are, was, and always will be Pussy Control (Are U ready?)
Peace and be wild (Aaah, Pussy Control)

Say what, huh? (Oh)
Oh no, don't U think about callin' her a ho (Are U ready?)
U juvenile delinquent
Best sit your ass down
Talkin' about Pussy Control
Huh, can U dig it?

Aaah, Pussy Control (Are U ready?)
Oh (Are U ready?)

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And it is a Wonderful, Hilarious, Rockin Song!

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PeteSilas said:

sunset3121 said:

I know for sure I haven't done anything evil. I'm pretty certain my immediate family and none of my friends have ever done anything evil.

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I am sure a lot of kids/young people push boundaries but I don't think that 90% felons thing makes 90% evil. I would also question where they have drawn the line on a felony to get the figures that high. Most of that stuff they just grow out of and its best if they are not overly criminalised.

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I think the worst things people seem to do is to mess up their own lives (drink, drugs, gambling, messing up relationships over trivia - none of which is evil, just human).

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Lots of people are wonderful - and that's not going off their appearance but their actions. Equally, no-one is perfect but that is a long way from evil.

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Again, why do you believe it? Where is the evidence? If someone broke my arm I wouldn't be waiting around for it to happen again. If she was foolish enough to stay you would have thought she would not be putting up with being sidelined for so long after that.

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What is this 'everyone is evil' thing really about?

maybe you live in a whole different universe than I do. Maybe you are a wonderful person, I wouldn't know really. People who tend to say those kinds of things don't have that great of a track record. Humans, being the way the are, tend to project, rationalize, minimize or repress things they've done wrong. Not admit them openly. I can only go on my life and what I've experienced but I've known so many "wonderful" "successful" people who once you get to know them, you see them for what they are an it's not what they show to the world. In fact, alot of what people show publicly is nothing like who they are. Just look at Prince, the control freak who abstained from drugs, ending up just like the rest of the rockstars. I do believe that he did that to Jill, I wasn't there, so I don't know. But let's just say, given all the nasty things he's done to people, and also, his high strung and stressful lifestyle, I could see him snapping. Now, the issue of human evil, what is it? well, according to Joseph Campbell, "Everything we do is evil to someone". That's a wide net to cast so I'll just say that were are both good and evil, capable of terrible things and great things. The same Prince who broke Jill's arm is the guy who gave out checks and money to people he didn't even know.

Your so sure he did it. I would not like you on a jury. Where is the evidence? I don't know him. I wasn't there - but so far, all there is is a rumour.

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The exceptionally 'successful' people are usually far from wonderful. They are often very selfish, self promoting and narcissistic (although sometimes wonderful things are created that way). It is the ones that quietly get on with things that are usually wonderful (but never perfect).

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You certainly cast a wide net with evil. I cast a very, very narrow one. I see very few people as evil - and even those (like the murderer of my relative) I don't have any hate for. I think they are very sad, damaged people and just wish that kind of mental damage didn't exist in the world.

It's the perspective from Prince's own unique view of feminism yes. Where female empowerment comes from being told what to wear by your boyfriend slash producer, and what he wants you to wear is a bra and panties in front of ten thousand people while you grind up and down his leg.