Blakbear said:

sunset3121 said:

True, but the church I knew was distancing itself from this sort of thing, not emphasising it. There is a clear reason why i couldn't cope with religion - I don't do well with leaders.

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I don't know P but I think he was probably more feminist than the average 70's male. I am used to men that are more wholeheartedly feminist (in our youth we were all vegan, Ethical Consumer was our bible and we all enjoyed fighting 'causes' (for many of the women that included feminist causes) - they are all truly beautiful people and a lot of them are still working for or running charities). Delivering the underwear for Gayle was not one of P's feminist moments for example.

"dumped this bag of metallic, multi-coloured underwear ... 'Prince said wear this or you're fired',” recalled Gayle Chapman"

Yeah, I see your point. Also, bro had no notion of how o buy women's underwear, either -- I think she mentioned everything was the wrong size, and she had to go buy everything in the proper size.

Prince seemed to be a little bit... confused on how to actually deal with women. I think he needed a little more training with Andre's mom.

Rule 1: Don't buy a woman's undergarments unless you actually know what freaking size she is.

Rule 2: Stop being a jerknerd.

Rule 3: No really, stop it.

i just read on some site that he seduced Chili from TLC and then kicked her out his limo. I hope it's just another rumor. I don't think he'd do something like that butyou never know.

purplethunder3121 said:

And the moral of this motherfucker is
Ladies, make 'em act like they know
You are, was and always will be pussy control
(Are u ready?)
Peace and be wild
(Ah, pussy control)

XxAxX said:

purplethunder3121 said:

And the moral of this motherfucker is
Ladies, make 'em act like they know
You are, was and always will be pussy control
(Are u ready?)
Peace and be wild
(Ah, pussy control)

There was just no need.

Where is that swear jar?

[Edited 7/10/16 17:32pm]

PeteSilas said:

i just read on some site that he seduced Chili from TLC and then kicked her out his limo. I hope it's just another rumor. I don't think he'd do something like that butyou never know.

Nothing surprises me anymore. I've read interviews with some of the women he dated, like Susannah Melvoin, and they seemed to be in agreement that he was like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde at times..so maybe it is true.

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

i just read on some site that he seduced Chili from TLC and then kicked her out his limo. I hope it's just another rumor. I don't think he'd do something like that butyou never know.

Nothing surprises me anymore. I've read interviews with some of the women he dated, like Susannah Melvoin, and they seemed to be in agreement that he was like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde at times..so maybe it is true.

ya, but that doesn't really sound like him. I know all the stories and believe them too, but to do that seems a bit out of character. hope it's not true. If it is true, he's damned lucky, some women who have had that happen to them have turned around and screamed rape just to get revenge.

PeteSilas said:

ya, but that doesn't really sound like him. I know all the stories and believe them too, but to do that seems a bit out of character. hope it's not true. If it is true, he's damned lucky, some women who have had that happen to them have turned around and screamed rape just to get revenge.

I hear ya Peter....but I do remember that Charlene Friend story or whatever about her saying he psychologically/emotionally abused her....at the time I thought it was made up garbage...but who's to say there was a kernal of truth to it and maybe she embellished on it for effect (like the sex dungen thing, that was so silly). I don't know what to beleive anymore...but it doesn't change the fact that he is my favorite artist and he always will be. I love his music.

I don't know, the truth is a hard thing to get to just because people are so dishonest. I personally don't trust women because too many times they've turned around and said things that plain weren't true and to tell you the truth, sometimes that's just scary, like "holy shit, what am i dealing with here?" One girl tried to say i was going to come after my best friends mom, just wacko shit, that you can't see coming off the surface of a sweet looking girl. That's why i say prince was damn lucky if he did those things. I don't know what happened with Tyson and Pac but I wouldn't say it's impossible that those women made up lies after being sleighted in some kind of way. It's happened to me.

PeteSilas said:

I don't know, the truth is a hard thing to get to just because people are so dishonest. I personally don't trust women because too many times they've turned around and said things that plain weren't true and to tell you the truth, sometimes that's just scary, like "holy shit, what am i dealing with here?" One girl tried to say i was going to come after my best friends mom, just wacko shit, that you can't see coming off the surface of a sweet looking girl. That's why i say prince was damn lucky if he did those things. I don't know what happened with Tyson and Pac but I wouldn't say it's impossible that those women made up lies after being sleighted in some kind of way. It's happened to me.

Be careful of the company you keep I suppose.

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

I don't know, the truth is a hard thing to get to just because people are so dishonest. I personally don't trust women because too many times they've turned around and said things that plain weren't true and to tell you the truth, sometimes that's just scary, like "holy shit, what am i dealing with here?" One girl tried to say i was going to come after my best friends mom, just wacko shit, that you can't see coming off the surface of a sweet looking girl. That's why i say prince was damn lucky if he did those things. I don't know what happened with Tyson and Pac but I wouldn't say it's impossible that those women made up lies after being sleighted in some kind of way. It's happened to me.

Be careful of the company you keep I suppose.

that's a great point, but sometimes there are no signs so i just avoid all of them these days and that's ok. But one of them was a family member who said some nutty shit that wasn't true, just makes you wonder "is the whole goddamned world crazy". anyway, point is, if P did act like that he's damned lucky, not too many black men go through those kinds of legal problems without major image damage if not complete career destruction. It's not the fifties anymore, used to be men actually could mistreat women and no one said a thing. These days it's too far the other way.

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PeteSilas said:

that's a great point, but sometimes there are no signs so i just avoid all of them these days and that's ok. But one of them was a family member who said some nutty shit that wasn't true, just makes you wonder "is the whole goddamned world crazy".

It seems that way...now more than ever. Listen to your intuition guide you with people. Sorry to hear about people being snakes....there are people out there like that unfortunatley.

intuition tells me to stay away from most people. Prince was lucky, like i say, not too many men in his position get through all those years without some kind of allegations being thrown at them. I believe some of the stories too, the one where he broke jill jones' arm, i believe. He coulda really been in trouble there. That's also probably where the image androgyny helped him, I mean, dude did not look like someone who would rape or hurt a woman. the thought of it is kinda funny because it's so at odds with his image.

I also heard he whipped out his johnson on a woman after chatting her up and she ran off. those are the kinds of situations that might seem normal in that lifestyle but it could really have caused problems. You really do need good people around you to keep you from getting yourself into problems sometimes.

PeteSilas said:

anyway, point is, if P did act like that he's damned lucky, not too many black men go through those kinds of legal problems without major image damage if not complete career destruction. It's not the fifties anymore, used to be men actually could mistreat women and no one said a thing. These days it's too far the other way.

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Maybe the women were scared of his lawyers. Maybe they didn't have the resources for their own proper council. There could be a lot of underlying factors of why things didn't turn out that way for him. That is if anything like that happened but I really can't imagine Prince raping anyone or anything (but then again I did read about physical abuse stories ) I have to say, I do think Prince was emotionally abusive/controlling with many of his women, he seemed like a real insecure dude and men like that almost always tend to poision their relationships at least in his younger days. I have no idea what he was like in the last few years maybe he has changed. From the last Rolling Stone interview I read with him he seemed a lot nicer, even more feminist with his 3rd eye girl band so he seemed pretty cool to me. And yes Prince has been my "fantasy husband" since puberty so I have always saw him in the best light but I know he wasn't an angel ....but only a human man with flaws like the rest of us...but I will forever love him and no story that comes to light will ever change that.

sunset3121 said:

XxAxX said:

There was just no need.

Where is that swear jar?

[Edited 7/10/16 17:32pm]

pussy got bank in her pockets, before she got dick in her drawers...

PeteSilas said:

I also heard he whipped out his johnson on a woman after chatting her up and she ran off. those are the kinds of situations that might seem normal in that lifestyle but it could really have caused problems.

Whaaa???? Where did you read this story? Maybe he misinturped a situation...oh and btw, I do believe the Jill Jones story too....

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

[Edited 7/10/16 17:56pm]

Maybe the women were scared of his lawyers. Maybe they didn't have the resources for their own proper council. There could be a lot of underlying factors of why things didn't turn out that way for him. That is if anything like that happened but I really can't imagine Prince raping anyone or anything (but then again I did read about physical abuse stories ) I have to say, I do think Prince was emotionally abusive/controlling with many of his women, he seemed like a real insecure dude and men like that almost always tend to poision their relationships at least in his younger days. I have no idea what he was like in the last few years maybe he has changed. From the last Rolling Stone interview I read with him he seemed a lot nicer, even more feminist with his 3rd eye girl band so he seemed pretty cool to me. And yes Prince has been my "fantasy husband" since puberty so I have always saw him in the best light but I know he wasn't an angel ....but only a human man with flaws like the rest of us...but I will forever love him and no story that comes to light will ever change that.

well, i believe the stories just because of the sheer craziness of that lifestyle, it will make you do things out of character. I know, I've done things out of character when under pressure, i know what it's like but I don't know what that kind of pressure is like it has to be crazy. Elvis broke some woman's ankle at a party when she ran her mouth a little too much and he threw a cue at her. He also raped Priscilla if her story is to be believed. all things that the humble country boy was never raised to do but I could see how a man could really get lost in that world and his own myth. Prince and Elvis I believe were basically decent people living a crazy lifestyle that would warp most peoples brains.

PeteSilas said:

Prince and Elvis I believe were basically decent people living a crazy lifestyle that would warp most peoples brains.

That is a very good point....they had a warpped sense of reality the more famous they got the more isolated they became....that has got to be hard for anyones psyche. So I don't wanna judge Prince, I think deep down he was a good person but struggled with a lot of anger/trauma/psycholgical issues that he never got addressed...but I do think his JW conversion was an attempt to deal with all of that and remaining in MN a stratagy for staying grounded and somewhat connected to the world. At the height at his fame in the 80s I'm sure it really affects someone and whos to say how any of us would handle all that pressure.

Krystalkisses said:

PeteSilas said:

Prince and Elvis I believe were basically decent people living a crazy lifestyle that would warp most peoples brains.

That is a very good point....they had a warpped sense of reality the more famous they got the more isolated they became....that has got to be hard for anyones psyche. So I don't wanna judge Prince, I think deep down he was a good person but struggled with a lot of anger/trauma/psycholgical issues that he never got addressed...but I do think his JW conversion was an attempt to deal with all of that and remaining in MN a stratagy for staying grounded and somewhat connected to the world. At the height at his fame in the 80s I'm sure it really affects someone and whos to say how any of us would handle all that pressure.

i'm a musician, I can tell you i've gotten a few girls screaming and had a few good performances. just by that little bit, i could feel my head getting dramatically bigger, but for me that was a very small look and a very temporary look at what it must be like. It's crazy, it's a high and a reality changer that gave me a clue of how a guy could really lose himself so props to them for staying as humble as they did. they never did completely lose their humility like so many of todays pop stars who are just ridiculous and don't even have the talent to back it up.

Krystalkisses said:

I'm saying absolutley yes...I totally agree with his "brand" of feminism....discuss amongst yourselves....

The obvious answer is yes, all you have to do is listen to the lyrics. And then Prince himself said,
"This is a tale about control
Feline, that is
But please don't be a victim of the 30 second bite
Listen 2 the words carefully
They are meant 2 uplift and enlighten
All the members of the female persuasion
So that no woman ever becomes a slave
Yeah!"

Now whether or not he succeeded is up to you.

PeteSilas said:

Krystalkisses said:

That is a very good point....they had a warpped sense of reality the more famous they got the more isolated they became....that has got to be hard for anyones psyche. So I don't wanna judge Prince, I think deep down he was a good person but struggled with a lot of anger/trauma/psycholgical issues that he never got addressed...but I do think his JW conversion was an attempt to deal with all of that and remaining in MN a stratagy for staying grounded and somewhat connected to the world. At the height at his fame in the 80s I'm sure it really affects someone and whos to say how any of us would handle all that pressure.

i'm a musician, I can tell you i've gotten a few girls screaming and had a few good performances. just by that little bit, i could feel my head getting dramatically bigger, but for me that was a very small look and a very temporary look at what it must be like. It's crazy, it's a high and a reality changer that gave me a clue of how a guy could really lose himself so props to them for staying as humble as they did. they never did completely lose their humility like so many of todays pop stars who are just ridiculous and don't even have the talent to back it up.

Thanks for sharing your perspective. Yes I too in my younger years had experiences where I was successful/things came pretty easily to me and it messes with your values and it can really get to your head and messing with your view of the world, so I know exactly what you are talking about....now imagine that turned up to 10x and you have a good idea what Prince must have been going through...not all of it bad but it can change you....

XxAxX said:

sunset3121 said:

There was just no need.

Where is that swear jar?

[Edited 7/10/16 17:32pm]

pussy got bank in her pockets, before she got dick in her drawers...

He was a class act in those days

PeteSilas said:

intuition tells me to stay away from most people. Prince was lucky, like i say, not too many men in his position get through all those years without some kind of allegations being thrown at them. I believe some of the stories too, the one where he broke jill jones' arm, i believe. He coulda really been in trouble there. That's also probably where the image androgyny helped him, I mean, dude did not look like someone who would rape or hurt a woman. the thought of it is kinda funny because it's so at odds with his image.

If Elvis did the things you say he was very far from a decent person. Pressure is no excuse.

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The arm thing though, why do you believe it? Was there any reports of her going around with her arm in cast for example? Were there even reports of a fight where he broke her arm? Did Jill ever say this happened?

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If someone did that to me I would hold it against them. Jill posted this:

.

"Love is love.

And when you have held it in your heart and it's lived in your soul, there is no explanation that can make it understandable or make it feel right when you lose someone who moved through you and you through them.

We are living in a time where the gurus and great leaders who have fulfilled their mission on this planet are transitioning and leaving us. We must remember that we are all connected and the greater glory and purpose of it all is completing its cycle.

As sad as it seems, it's a glorious time to be alive, to witness this, because God is letting us know that he is near. One would be a fool not to examine what is going on spiritually in the world when people (leaders in their field and craft and talent) who have completed their mission; their departure changes us as much as their presence did.

We are all a part of this.

I will always love him deeply. And I will see him in the next life"

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What do rapists look like? (a question I was quite obsessed with for a little while - it wasn't their physical appearance I was trying to recognise).

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P looked like someone that hurt Apples! Seriously though, he was strong (a man who works out is always going to be much stronger than most women - muscles of men are faster and render higher maximum output compared to women’s) and had a temper; he had a mean glare on him at times - especially at fans with phones. I don't think it was his public image that kept him out of trouble when he was young.

(My first memory of seeing P - I wondered why I couldn't stop watching this because I hated aggressive, macho, egotistical men and that is exactly what he looked like to me - and I am still here )

PeteSilas said:

feminists are wierd, I try to stay the hell away from them. I remember in college stating that women had true power just by being women and how I had seen strong men busted into little pieces by women. Of course the feminists, just being silly and reactionary just huffed and puffed and grumbled. If i hear one more woman call themselves a feminist I'm gonna pull out my weenie on them like prince did and run them off.

Feminist anthem or not, I just LOVE how raunchy P. Control is.

purplethunder3121 said:

And the moral of this motherfucker is
Ladies, make 'em act like they know
You are, was and always will be pussy control
(Are u ready?)
Peace and be wild
(Ah, pussy control)

Yes this pretty much sum it up

sunset3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

intuition tells me to stay away from most people. Prince was lucky, like i say, not too many men in his position get through all those years without some kind of allegations being thrown at them. I believe some of the stories too, the one where he broke jill jones' arm, i believe. He coulda really been in trouble there. That's also probably where the image androgyny helped him, I mean, dude did not look like someone who would rape or hurt a woman. the thought of it is kinda funny because it's so at odds with his image.

If Elvis did the things you say he was very far from a decent person. Pressure is no excuse.

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The arm thing though, why do you believe it? Was there any reports of her going around with her arm in cast for example? Were there even reports of a fight where he broke her arm? Did Jill ever say this happened?

.

If someone did that to me I would hold it against them. Jill posted this:

.

"Love is love.

And when you have held it in your heart and it's lived in your soul, there is no explanation that can make it understandable or make it feel right when you lose someone who moved through you and you through them.

We are living in a time where the gurus and great leaders who have fulfilled their mission on this planet are transitioning and leaving us. We must remember that we are all connected and the greater glory and purpose of it all is completing its cycle.

As sad as it seems, it's a glorious time to be alive, to witness this, because God is letting us know that he is near. One would be a fool not to examine what is going on spiritually in the world when people (leaders in their field and craft and talent) who have completed their mission; their departure changes us as much as their presence did.

We are all a part of this.

I will always love him deeply. And I will see him in the next life"

.

What do rapists look like? (a question I was quite obsessed with for a little while - it wasn't their physical appearance I was trying to recognise).

.

P looked like someone that hurt Apples! Seriously though, he was strong (a man who works out is always going to be much stronger than most women - muscles of men are faster and render higher maximum output compared to women’s) and had a temper; he had a mean glare on him at times - especially at fans with phones. I don't think it was his public image that kept him out of trouble when he was young.

(My first memory of seeing P - I wondered why I couldn't stop watching this because I hated aggressive, macho, egotistical men and that is exactly what he looked like to me - and I am still here )

Elvis had a crazy lifestyle, whether you want to overlook that or not is your business. He found out priscilla was fucking Mike Stone and so he raped her and he cried while he did it.

I believe the prince story because it rings true, you can search for it on here, but I've read it in books too. never seen pics of her with a cast but she was never really that much of a celebrity.

It's only feminist when it comes from a woman. This is a man allowing a woman to have control. So it allows women to be empowered but on male terms.

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I always thought the Spice Girls' 'girl power' was very much like this. They think they have 'girl power' but it is men who put them together, it was a man who gave them their names, men who marketed them, etc etc.

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Sometimes instead of asking "Are you a feminist?" I think the question should be: "You're not an asshole, right?"

[Edited 7/13/16 4:53am]

Mintchip said:

i mean...for a song to have been an anthem...it would've had to be an anthem...right??? Put another way - I don't know the song was ever really embraced by anyone other then Prince fans, and people who liked to hear the word pussy. I don't remember hearing it much. Certainly not enough to be an anthem.

I was DJing clubs from 99-02ish. Pussy Control was one of only 1/2 dozen Prince songs I could play and always get a good response, and of those 1/2 dozen it was the most requested.

The song became an underground club anthem for sure. And every DJ was looking for but couldn't find a vinyl copy. The guys I worked with were mad because I wouldn't let them mix with my promo vinyl copy but no way were they handling that colored vinyl!!