He was a consummate musician, the best band leader I've ever seen and a prolific and nuanced singer/songwriter (amongst his many, many other talents). That's all I really need to know about him. "One day, we're all gonna die." Does it really matter how?

Menes said:

CherryMoon57 said:

It happened gradually but with a definite change around 1999-2000. He mentions it himself in interviews (https://www.youtube.com/w...8mg7CxAYUM) and from then he often talked about his renewed and deeper commitments to God and the reasons behind that decision. I don't know how long you have been following his career but there are clear evidences (in lyrics and onstage performances) that he had seriously committed to his faith, for example he had stopped swearing in public and as you said he was preaching a lot instead of talking about sex all the time like he used to. What went on behind closed doors is none of our business, and I think Prince was taking his faith very seriously, all his lyrics from 2000 onwards reflect that, and you certainly cannot base your judgements on what you have no proof of. Your assumptions that he never practiced what he preached is totally unfounded. He actually worked really hard to make a lof changes in his life and there were many evidences of this. I think the man already dealt with so much in his life, and contributed to help and improve the lives of many others, isn't it time he finally gets the peace that he deserves?

The text clearly states ..."there is no secret that he did not condone sex before marriage but we know he didn't practice what he preached". This is in reference to that. Do you believe he had sex before marriage? Perhaps he didn't swear in public or sing perverted parts of his songs anymore, but he would still play it, and you could sing it to your heart's content. Do you believe any of these songs would be in direct conflict with his("faith" /deeper commitment") when he knocks on a door for the purpose of "saving" lives? Maybe there is a pattern here that we dont want to deal with. It is possible he had a deeper commitment to God, but this doesnt mean he wasn't leading a double life.

People do it all the time. Do you believe he just started taking opiates the night/morning of April 14-15th? I dont think so.

How long have I been following his career? A long time. How long have you been involved in his career in any way, shape or form? It's just a conversation.

I wasn't involved in his career (what has it got to do with this anyway?) but I have met him and I can tell you the man was genuine, he meant well and was far from ambiguous. He had a lot more integrity than many.

I think it's clear what this person is doing. There is no point being made. So how long are the lunch breaks at the National Enquirer anyway?

marshmullow said:

Trollin'
Trollin'
Some people have fun just trollin'

Schlockin', borin', oh yeah. hehe

luvsexy4all said:

jaawwnn said:

This is the Dr. D who also said Prince suffered from "crippling stagefright" and couldn't get on stage unless he was loaded? That one?

If yiz want to call Prince a drug addict and use it as a derogatory term knock yourselves out, says a lot more about you.

u misinterpret....people say he was on painkillers to avoid the other thing

I still haven't seen any credible source citing how much pain Prince was in throughout his career. People take pain meds for various reasons. Dr. D is a despicable character, but he's really the only person who immediately identified the drugs Prince was using. Sometimes your drug dealer, like your doctor, knows more about you than anyone else.

CherryMoon57 said:

Menes said:

The text clearly states ..."there is no secret that he did not condone sex before marriage but we know he didn't practice what he preached". This is in reference to that. Do you believe he had sex before marriage? Perhaps he didn't swear in public or sing perverted parts of his songs anymore, but he would still play it, and you could sing it to your heart's content. Do you believe any of these songs would be in direct conflict with his("faith" /deeper commitment") when he knocks on a door for the purpose of "saving" lives? Maybe there is a pattern here that we dont want to deal with. It is possible he had a deeper commitment to God, but this doesnt mean he wasn't leading a double life.

People do it all the time. Do you believe he just started taking opiates the night/morning of April 14-15th? I dont think so.

How long have I been following his career? A long time. How long have you been involved in his career in any way, shape or form? It's just a conversation.

I wasn't involved in his career (what has it got to do with this anyway?) but I have met him and I can tell you the man was genuine, he meant well and was far from ambiguous. He had a lot more integrity than many.

he really did, at least artistically. he did what the fuck he wanted to do. he sacrificed tons of money by not being all about money. Springsteen, his contemporary and a guy his fans put on a pedestal doesn't even come close when it comes to that kind of integrity.

sunset3121 said:

jaawwnn said:

LOL oh man, I walked into that one

I had totally forgotten that, I was just thinking of him as a drug expert.

[Edited 6/22/16 12:27pm]

He wasn't just an addiction expert.

From his website:

Dr. Howard Kornfeld, a nationally recognized pain management specialist and medical doctor, has helped hundreds of people deal more effectively with chronic pain. Dr. Kornfeld and his team at Recovery Without Walls design a personalized program for each patient, utilizing the latest research on advanced pharmacology,exceptional psychotherapy and integrative healing methods. Recovery Without Walls has helped patients suffering from: back pain, fibromyalgia, neuropathic (nerve) pain, cancer pain, arthritis and many other chronic pain conditions.

Pain management expert rather than addiction expert? I suppose one is the same as the other if your pain is bad enough.

CherryMoon57 said:

Bunsterdk said:

CherryMoon57 said:

I wasn't involved in his career (what has it got to do with this anyway?) but I have met him and I can tell you the man was genuine, he meant well and was far from ambiguous. He had a lot more integrity than many.

Thank you.

You're welcome!

laurarichardson said:

It pisses me off whenever people confuse being metaphysical, mystic, having an interest in new age issues, spirituality othen than a traditionally religious one, and so on with "dabbling in the occult".
Really?! It all sounds too Spanish Inquisition to me. Very Dark Ages, imo.
Some don't believe in God and believe in nature. Prince managed a balance between those two apparently seperate things. Deal with it.

He was a serious total control freak. Honestly couldn't understand how he accomplished all he did while trying to control what everyone else did without the use of something to calm his nerves. He seemed to change his opinions with whichever way the wind was blowing through PP at the time and when he got on a bandwagon he put 100% into it. All of that is what made him so interesting.

sonshine said:

rainbowchild said:

He was a man of contradictions. He was a Gemini after all.

tmo1965 said:

PeteSilas said:

jaawwnn said:

Menes said:

1. His secret licensing/distribution/publishing deal with Warner as a subsidary even after swearing them off. Hard to stay away from those who you claim wish to control your music.

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What the hell are you talking about?

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Menes said:

Which is it?

I remember the first time I heard about Prince's possible link to Fentanyl. It wasn't from the medical examiners office or the Sheriff's investigation. It was the infamous "Dr.D" , who on April 23rd, gave us a glimpse into Prince's addictive behavior. That was a mere (2) days after Prince's death. It was dismissed as all lies and propaganda. Part of the truth is out now. He was an addict , yet ,despised drug use.

1. His secret licensing/distribution/publishing deal with Warner as a subsidary even after swearing them off. Hard to stay away from those who you claim wish to control your music.

2. He implored artist to remove songs from streaming services but signed with Tidal, a streaming service. Tidal is quite similar to the Apple/Spotify format if you understand the revenue matrix.

3. He stated that" he deals with everything thru music, but it's not to promote anything or get the admiration of fans or friends". Well said after 300 million dollars in revenue.

4. Dabbling in the occult yet claiming to understand the power of God. Can you serve two masters and expect people to think you are serious about saving souls? He still dabbled even after claiming to understand the "truth".

5. Sex before marriage.... He claimed it as a sin, yet, indulged in it like no other.

6. Samples.. He hated samples , yet used them consistently in his songs and live performances.

7. He was lonely, yet relish the thought of being alone. So much more could be said. So which is it?

Here is the answer:

"The worst thing u can do is give up ur God-given right 2 choose. 4 in it - u can choose not 2 choose".

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CROWNS1 said:

He was a serious total control freak. Honestly couldn't understand how he accomplished all he did while trying to control what everyone else did without the use of something to calm his nerves. He seemed to change his opinions with whichever way the wind was blowing through PP at the time and when he got on a bandwagon he put 100% into it. All of that is what made him so interesting.

Can i just say i love your comment.You're a true FAM without blinders.Because prince is a famous celeb i think many of US are blinded sometimes.Some cant use the word addict which is the shorting of addiction.Not junkie addict .For goodness sakes his own brother.Not a band member,or fan said he had addictions back in the 80's.Well,maybe it was stage freight GUYS JUST STOP....Go back and re read your posts during the airplane situation.I think the when it was reported as the flu many here weren't buying it....

This is one of the weirdes threads I've read on in this forum, which is really saying something.

Prince was who we all are - seven different people on seven different days. We all contradict ourselves, and very few of us even have that genius/phenom/prodigy thing that Prince did, which no doubt further influences the way one processes information and experiences.

ksgemini63 said:

Any discussion on occult and religion will go up in smoke. Most people don't believe the so called Illuminati is real. Therefore any comment about gets responses about tin foil hats etc. I think Prince saw the world in a certain way sex was spiritual and almost equated with religious experience. I think he was often. At war with himself before and after JW baptism. I work with several Witnesses who just think he should have been kicked out... Not because of rumors but blatant things... Dress style... Jewelry ...makeup ... New age imagery(3rd Eye Girl) There's a segment in the 85 live Syracuse show where in one voice he says Jesus will forgive u and another voice "I'm so confused" I don't think interest in esoteric teachings = "devil stuff". I feel he believed in Jesus and possibly could not reconcile his black album/ lovesexy awakening to JW doctrine. He was a Gemini through and through but after talking to at least 5 people that spent time backstage in the 80's I do not believe there was something evil about him. As for the illuminati was he part or left or trying to open people's eyes...I prefer the latter thought. I think he was a good man who sometimes rewrote rules to suit himself ... Also OT there's no way he was doing opioids 1984- April 2016... Dr. D wanted his 15 minutes of fame... Look at jimmy page on heroin at times he had to play sitting down and at worst stopped a concert by being basically dragged out in mid- later 70's. Prince was not there for 30+ years. No way. [Edited 7/10/16 8:23am] [Edited 7/10/16 8:24am]

Excellent post, thanks for sharing ksgemini63.