purplethunder3121 said:

remko said:

I'd like to stick to:

Love is God and God is Love.

Let's leave it at that. No one can know what P believed in the end but his Maker. His beliefs certainly evolved from his early JW days...

One can give off some tale tell signs by their actions some of what they believe in...

Astasheiks said:

SexFiendNikki said:

In the Mel. B video when they were playing the word association game, she said Christmas and his response was “Nimrod’s birthday.” (I THINK that’s what I heard).

For someone who sung about spirituality as much as Prince did, his response took me off guard.

Speaking of ... I saw a concert video of P and The Band in Montreaux and it wasn't too long go. I have to go back and check the year but pretty sure it was within the last 2-3 yrs. And he hollas out "Do you all believe in Christmas" evidently they holla back "No", because he says "Me Neither"! The way he says it kinda arrogant and dejected, I thought how Strange.

Very strange.

NorthC said:

SexFiendNikki said:

In the Mel. B video when they were playing the word association game, she said Christmas and his response was “Nimrod’s birthday.” (I THINK that’s what I heard).

For someone who sung about spirituality as much as Prince did, his response took me off guard.

That's one of Prince's favourite games: hide and seek.

Yes, Nimrod's birthday -

"Nimrod built the tower of Babel, the original Babylon, ancient Nineveh, and many other cities. He organized the world's first kingdom.

The name "Nimrod," in Hebrew is derived from "Marad," meaning "he rebelled."

From many ancient writings, considerable is learned of this man, who started the great organized worldly apostasy from God that has dominated this world until now.

Nimrod was so evil, it is said he married his own mother, whose name was Semiramis. After Nimrod's untimely death, his so-called mother-wife, Semiramis, propagated the evil doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit being.

She claimed a full-grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth unto new life of the dead Nimrod.

The 25th of December is Nimrod's birthday

On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree."

Hmmm

He was searching for the truth (=one truth).

He probably found the truth in the Jehova's Witness. Probably he still continued searching. I do not think he would take for granted what another human told him as being true. Maybe only from a few close friends, like Larry He would check it and test it.

sunset3121 said:

sunset3121 said:

AnonymousFan said:

Does anybody have any personal knowledge of his beliefs? Anybody who knew him in some capacity know anything about this?

How can any man truly know what's in the heart of another?

Only God knows that.

Even if he sat someone down and told them word for word what he believed, and then they told you, something would get lost in the translation. Also, a person's spritual journey is not stagnant. So something you once believed, you might not any longer. It's a moving target.

If you really are seeking this information, instead of asking a third party, seek the source. Prince has done many interviews where he speaks quite openly about his beliefs.

At 1:02:00 He tells a young person that following Jesus is much more important that following him. https://www.youtube.com/w...qyjwhFiQqg

At 1:50 He tell Tavis he believes in messages from angels. That God cured him of epilepsy

At 9:20 He believes in prophesy, the bible, and God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf7yRFk-ZfE

At any rate, you will have to do your research. Now that interviews are abundant, on youtube you should be able to find some of the answers you seek.

But I have a question for you? Why do you need to know so urgently?

airth said:

anudha said:

AnonymousFan said:

Does anybody have any personal knowledge of his beliefs? Anybody who knew him in some capacity know anything about this?

How can any man truly know what's in the heart of another?

Only God knows that.

Even if he sat someone down and told them word for word what he believed, and then they told you, something would get lost in the translation. Also, a person's spritual journey is not stagnant. So something you once believed, you might not any longer. It's a moving target.

If you really are seeking this information, instead of asking a third party, seek the source. Prince has done many interviews where he speaks quite openly about his beliefs.

At 1:02:00 He tells a young person that following Jesus is much more important that following him. https://www.youtube.com/w...qyjwhFiQqg

At 1:50 He tell Tavis he believes in messages from angels. That God cured him of epilepsy

At 9:20 He believes in prophesy, the bible, and God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf7yRFk-ZfE

At any rate, you will have to do your research. Now that interviews are abundant, on youtube you should be able to find some of the answers you seek.

But I have a question for you? Why do you need to know so urgently?

Thanks, your response was helpful.

Difficult to articulate why I need to know. It's kind of just an internal urge. I wanted to meet him and ask him myself - he seemed to know something important all his life that I don't and maybe few do. He was SO sure he found God - the right one - and that he knew exactly what that God wanted. I gotta know for sure that He's (the higher power/God) around. I've got a hunch based on things that happened to me, but I just don't know for sure.

AnonymousFan said:

Thanks, your response was helpful.

Difficult to articulate why I need to know. It's kind of just an internal urge. I wanted to meet him and ask him myself - he seemed to know something important all his life that I don't and maybe few do. He was SO sure he found God - the right one - and that he knew exactly what that God wanted. I gotta know for sure that He's (the higher power/God) around. I've got a hunch based on things that happened to me, but I just don't know for sure.

Keep seeking and you shall find your answers. Godspeed.

duccichucka said:

Lianachan said:

Prince, I'm afraid, believed in all manner of crazy nonsense. His talking about chemtrails on a talk show isn't his finest hour.

I agree.

I think there may be a correlation between artistic talent with a facility for accepting conspiracy
theories/superstitions. Or, maybe homeboy was just crazy like my Uncle Jessup who barked only
at gibbous moons.

I think these kinds of comments is why Prince was so private. I thought chemtrails was silly too - till I googled it -- he had an open mind -- do you recall the STD tests the govt did on unsuspecting African Americans? what makes you think that better people are running things now?

NorthC said:

SexFiendNikki said:

In the Mel. B video when they were playing the word association game, she said Christmas and his response was “Nimrod’s birthday.” (I THINK that’s what I heard).

For someone who sung about spirituality as much as Prince did, his response took me off guard.

That's one of Prince's favourite games: hide and seek.

I googled Nimrod's b-day and learned that Christmas is the traditional birthdays of Nimrod, Osiris, Jupiter, and various other representations of the child-god of the Babylonian religious system. Apparently Jehova Witnesses choose to celebrate Jesus's death & resurection rather than his 'supposed' birthday.

thedance said:

jaawwnn said:

From a 1988 interview I think? Bizarre opinion, was he cornered about something there? I mean, considering the amount of stuff he continued to play off that album he was clearly talking nonsense.

Prince was :

1) just joking -- or --

2) he was trying to lower the audience expectations, so they would be more "surprised" and "shocked" how excellent it actually is..

3) I believe Prince knew deep inside that Parade is the finest masterpiece. Maybe he just wanted to let the listener decide for themselves what to think about it, Parade the album....

imho.....

You butchered the quote. I didn't say that, NorthC did.

Astasheiks said:

SexFiendNikki said:

In the Mel. B video when they were playing the word association game, she said Christmas and his response was “Nimrod’s birthday.” (I THINK that’s what I heard).

For someone who sung about spirituality as much as Prince did, his response took me off guard.

Speaking of ... I saw a concert video of P and The Band in Montreaux and it wasn't too long go. I have to go back and check the year but pretty sure it was within the last 2-3 yrs. And he hollas out "Do you all believe in Christmas" evidently they holla back "No", because he says "Me Neither"! The way he says it kinda arrogant and dejected, I thought how Strange.

Jehova Witnesses don't celebrate Christmas - but i bet he sure enjoyed the holday before he converted -- so that could expain the conflicing emotions.

Astasheiks said:

AnonymousFan said:

I know he's a Jehovah's Witness and presumably he believes in the doctrine, but I can't help but feel like he put his own spin on it and believed in some extra things. He seems to merge the doctrine with a number of other beliefs in a number of songs. I was reading about "exit points" because they were mentioned in another thread here, and he seems to have held some version of this belief as evidencd by his rhetoric about the thing. Ex. "When I no longer wish to communicate on this level", "When I choose to leave...", etc... He seems to believe that the highest power is love and we are all in that oneness as evidenced by his lyrics and one of his essays. He seems to believe in "good karma" on some level or at least spiritual repercussions for what is or isn't done here. He also seems to believe in reincarnation on some level. Seems to really care about what goes on in the world. Seems to believe in energies/chakras/something. Is there anyway that I could find out what is exactly that he believed!?!?! Also, why does he refer to everything spiritual as something (spooky, the dance, ex..."electric"? [Edited 5/20/16 1:19am]

Intresting questions?

I agree. I have been trying to figure out how he reconciled his extreme sexuaity with his Religous beliefs.

AnonymousFan said:

anudha said:

How can any man truly know what's in the heart of another?

Only God knows that.

Even if he sat someone down and told them word for word what he believed, and then they told you, something would get lost in the translation. Also, a person's spritual journey is not stagnant. So something you once believed, you might not any longer. It's a moving target.

If you really are seeking this information, instead of asking a third party, seek the source. Prince has done many interviews where he speaks quite openly about his beliefs.

At 1:02:00 He tells a young person that following Jesus is much more important that following him. https://www.youtube.com/w...qyjwhFiQqg

At 1:50 He tell Tavis he believes in messages from angels. That God cured him of epilepsy

At 9:20 He believes in prophesy, the bible, and God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf7yRFk-ZfE

At any rate, you will have to do your research. Now that interviews are abundant, on youtube you should be able to find some of the answers you seek.

But I have a question for you? Why do you need to know so urgently?

Thanks, your response was helpful.

Difficult to articulate why I need to know. It's kind of just an internal urge. I wanted to meet him and ask him myself - he seemed to know something important all his life that I don't and maybe few do. He was SO sure he found God - the right one - and that he knew exactly what that God wanted. I gotta know for sure that He's (the higher power/God) around. I've got a hunch based on things that happened to me, but I just don't know for sure.

I think you could start by following in Prince's footsteps. And, reading the Bible and finding a Christian friend to talk to about the wisdom and knowledge contained in the Good Book. It changed Prince's life, and I think it brought him much peace. Finding wisdom and understanding is a process and takes time. Many churches have Bible studies during the week, and you are very welcome to go. As you become familiar with the stories contained in the Bible, you will see that they build on eachother. Also interesting, is the book of Proverbs. It's written as advice from a father to a child. And, the earlier passages are geared to younger children and the book matures as you go through it. Also, there are some good youtube videos on the Bible. I like J. Vernon McGee. He's an old fashioned preacher - and long dead. But, he's so funny and he explains the Bible using the original Greek words. Their meaning is often lost in translation. He also puts things into Historial and cultural perspective and explains the Bible based on the custom of ancient times. I've gone through the proces of trying to learn the truth and find great peace in the wisome of the Bible and the one True God. I felt so much closer to Prince once I learned he was a Christian too!

With no will, I hope his heirs will choose to archive his notes and correspondence then seal it all for for future historians to peruse after everyone is gone.

His beliefs are interesting, but it's not like I need to know his detailed interpretation of the bible down to individual verses. His songs are full of religious references and imagery, he expresses his beliefs musically sometimes slyly, other times bluntly, but for the most part magnificently.

AnonymousFan said:

NorthC said:

SexFiendNikki said:

Astasheiks said:

Speaking of ... I saw a concert video of P and The Band in Montreaux and it wasn't too long go. I have to go back and check the year but pretty sure it was within the last 2-3 yrs. And he hollas out "Do you all believe in Christmas" evidently they holla back "No", because he says "Me Neither"! The way he says it kinda arrogant and dejected, I thought how Strange.

Very strange.

Not strange at all given his religion: https://www.jw.org/en/jeh...christmas/

BanishedBrian said:

duccichucka said:

Clearly we don't know what Prince believed, for a Jehovah's Witness + substance abuse
issues do not cohere (easily, I guess) and clearly his public life was distinct from his
private life. This, of course, only holds if we discover that Prince was living with a sub-
stance abuse issue.

It's entirely possible to be morally opposed to substance abuse and yet develop a substance abuse problem. Whether Prince used opiods or not shouldn't affect how we interpret his stated beliefs.

I understand your point and agree with it, that's why I wrote the bolded part.

NorthC said:

duccichucka said:

I agree.

I think there may be a correlation between artistic talent with a facility for accepting conspiracy
theories/superstitions. Or, maybe homeboy was just crazy like my Uncle Jessup who barked only
at gibbous moons.

That's nonsense. Unless of course you can produce a list of hundreds of artists, writers etc who believed in conspiracy theories and did so because they were artists. [Edited 5/20/16 9:57am]

First of all, I was being facetious, which I admit is difficult to interpret on a message board, but
I hoped it would be recognized by the quip about barking at gibbous moosn. But second of all, I'd
ask you to refer to the bolded part.

"he probably made his own spirituality from different influences."...............I've always thought that too.

AnonymousFan said:

anudha said:

How can any man truly know what's in the heart of another?

Only God knows that.

Even if he sat someone down and told them word for word what he believed, and then they told you, something would get lost in the translation. Also, a person's spritual journey is not stagnant. So something you once believed, you might not any longer. It's a moving target.

If you really are seeking this information, instead of asking a third party, seek the source. Prince has done many interviews where he speaks quite openly about his beliefs.

At 1:02:00 He tells a young person that following Jesus is much more important that following him. https://www.youtube.com/w...qyjwhFiQqg

At 1:50 He tell Tavis he believes in messages from angels. That God cured him of epilepsy

At 9:20 He believes in prophesy, the bible, and God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf7yRFk-ZfE

At any rate, you will have to do your research. Now that interviews are abundant, on youtube you should be able to find some of the answers you seek.

But I have a question for you? Why do you need to know so urgently?

Thanks, your response was helpful.

Difficult to articulate why I need to know. It's kind of just an internal urge. I wanted to meet him and ask him myself - he seemed to know something important all his life that I don't and maybe few do. He was SO sure he found God - the right one - and that he knew exactly what that God wanted. I gotta know for sure that He's (the higher power/God) around. I've got a hunch based on things that happened to me, but I just don't know for sure.

I find it strange that he was supposed to be a changed man yet he sung "Dirty Mind" at each of his last 2 shows in Atlanta... ?

Astasheiks said:

I find it strange that he was supposed to be a changed man yet he sung "Dirty Mind" at each of his last 2 shows in Atlanta... ?

That is the dual nature of man.