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Thread started 05/02/16 3:30am

LittlePurpleYo
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Prince at Warhol Museum in Pittsburgh

Forgive my ignorance, but while I was certainly aware of Andy Warhol, I had thought that Prince emerged too late on the scene for Warhol to capture him in his art. So, I visited the Warhol Museum in Pittsburgh yesterday & was surprised to see two screenprints of Prince on display. They do not allow images, or I would have taken & shared photos, but they're easy enough to find online - essentially Dirty Mind/Controversy era portraits, "popped up."

The museum does sell reproductions at $14 each, but not that one, yet (Plenty of soup cans & Jackie Kennedy, though). I asked & they said a lot of people had been asking about it & it's up to their Foundation.

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Reply #1 posted 05/02/16 5:05am

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FYI, More discussion on this thread topic from 2010.

http://prince.org/msg/7/329212

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Reply #2 posted 05/02/16 5:14am

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If you read Warhol's diaries he writes about meeting Prince.

Saturday, August 2, 1986 - Wilfredo had gotten tickets for Prince, and so cabbed over to Madison Square Garden ($3). We passed Debbie Harry and Stephen Sprouse who were there, and we sat down just as Prince jumped out naked, or almost, and it's the greatest concert I've ever seen there, just so much energy and excitement. I saw Ron Delsener and he invited us to the party for Prince at the Palladium. Prince left in a limo the second the show was over.

We went into the Mike Todd Room and it was just almost empty, tables set up, reserved, and there, in a white coat and pink bellbottoms, like a Puerto Rican at a prom, all by himself, was Prince. He was just great, that image of him being weird and always with the bodyguards and everything was just dispelled, and he came over to each and every person and shook their hand and said he was so happy they came, and he danced with each and every girl – all these weird girls in sixties dresses. Literally with every girl, and he wasn't even a good dancer. And he remembered names, like he said, « So glad you came, Wilfredo. » What manners! And Wilfredo was in heaven. We asked Prince if he would be our December cover and he said we'd have to talk to his manager and we said that we'd asked the manager and the manager said to ask him, and so they said they'd work it out. We were just shaking, it was so exciting. And Billy Idol was there and you know, seeing these two glamour boys, it's like the boys are the new Hollywood glamour girls, like Harlow and Marilyn. So wierd.

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Reply #3 posted 05/02/16 6:11am

keenly

Warhol was a talentless moron used to dumb people down.

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Reply #4 posted 05/02/16 7:44am

datdude

keenly said:

Warhol was a talentless moron used to dumb people down.

but with bright colors tho!

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Reply #5 posted 05/02/16 7:59am

mtlfan

keenly said:

Warhol was a talentless moron used to dumb people down.

I majorly disagree. Moron? There are myths about his low IQ and he tended to avoid justifying his art, if I'm not mistaken - the dumbest thing I've ever heard Warhol say is that quote about Prince's dancing. But his art reflected the pulse of American society in the latter half of the twentieth century so well it made him one of the most important artists of the century. There is also some consensus among art critics that he was exceptionally well-studied in art history and advertising. Talentless? Please. I don't need to argue in his favour there - the guy invented new art media. "Used to dumb people down" - the less a person finds in an artwork often says as much about the audience as it does the artist. People thought the soup cans were stupid, and none of them sold. The gallery owner who sat with them all day every day eventually decided them brilliant, he couldn't stop looking, finding new meaning/content. Warhol sold him the whole bunch for $1,000, now they're priceless, a revolution in art. People called Prince a "talentless moron" too - you're sounding like the internet comment I read last week that wrote all his lyrics off as shallow and said MJ's crown was safe.

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Reply #6 posted 05/02/16 10:33am

keenly

mtlfan said:

keenly said:

Warhol was a talentless moron used to dumb people down.

I majorly disagree. Moron? There are myths about his low IQ and he tended to avoid justifying his art, if I'm not mistaken - the dumbest thing I've ever heard Warhol say is that quote about Prince's dancing. But his art reflected the pulse of American society in the latter half of the twentieth century so well it made him one of the most important artists of the century. There is also some consensus among art critics that he was exceptionally well-studied in art history and advertising. Talentless? Please. I don't need to argue in his favour there - the guy invented new art media. "Used to dumb people down" - the less a person finds in an artwork often says as much about the audience as it does the artist. People thought the soup cans were stupid, and none of them sold. The gallery owner who sat with them all day every day eventually decided them brilliant, he couldn't stop looking, finding new meaning/content. Warhol sold him the whole bunch for $1,000, now they're priceless, a revolution in art. People called Prince a "talentless moron" too - you're sounding like the internet comment I read last week that wrote all his lyrics off as shallow and said MJ's crown was safe.

'Art'?

He could not draw or paint. He had NO talent. He did nothing a 5 year old could not do.

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Reply #7 posted 05/02/16 11:29am

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keenly said:

mtlfan said:

I majorly disagree. Moron? There are myths about his low IQ and he tended to avoid justifying his art, if I'm not mistaken - the dumbest thing I've ever heard Warhol say is that quote about Prince's dancing. But his art reflected the pulse of American society in the latter half of the twentieth century so well it made him one of the most important artists of the century. There is also some consensus among art critics that he was exceptionally well-studied in art history and advertising. Talentless? Please. I don't need to argue in his favour there - the guy invented new art media. "Used to dumb people down" - the less a person finds in an artwork often says as much about the audience as it does the artist. People thought the soup cans were stupid, and none of them sold. The gallery owner who sat with them all day every day eventually decided them brilliant, he couldn't stop looking, finding new meaning/content. Warhol sold him the whole bunch for $1,000, now they're priceless, a revolution in art. People called Prince a "talentless moron" too - you're sounding like the internet comment I read last week that wrote all his lyrics off as shallow and said MJ's crown was safe.

'Art'?

He could not draw or paint. He had NO talent. He did nothing a 5 year old could not do.



Oh shut it, Warhol was brilliant. He had definite hand skills, and he used them when it was necessary.

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Reply #8 posted 05/02/16 11:30am

LittlePurpleYo
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keenly said:

mtlfan said:

I majorly disagree. Moron? There are myths about his low IQ and he tended to avoid justifying his art, if I'm not mistaken - the dumbest thing I've ever heard Warhol say is that quote about Prince's dancing. But his art reflected the pulse of American society in the latter half of the twentieth century so well it made him one of the most important artists of the century. There is also some consensus among art critics that he was exceptionally well-studied in art history and advertising. Talentless? Please. I don't need to argue in his favour there - the guy invented new art media. "Used to dumb people down" - the less a person finds in an artwork often says as much about the audience as it does the artist. People thought the soup cans were stupid, and none of them sold. The gallery owner who sat with them all day every day eventually decided them brilliant, he couldn't stop looking, finding new meaning/content. Warhol sold him the whole bunch for $1,000, now they're priceless, a revolution in art. People called Prince a "talentless moron" too - you're sounding like the internet comment I read last week that wrote all his lyrics off as shallow and said MJ's crown was safe.

'Art'?

He could not draw or paint. He had NO talent. He did nothing a 5 year old could not do.

And yet has a 7 floor museum named after him, countless books, films & documentaries about him...

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Reply #9 posted 05/02/16 11:47am

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keenly said:



mtlfan said:




keenly said:


Warhol was a talentless moron used to dumb people down.



I majorly disagree. Moron? There are myths about his low IQ and he tended to avoid justifying his art, if I'm not mistaken - the dumbest thing I've ever heard Warhol say is that quote about Prince's dancing. But his art reflected the pulse of American society in the latter half of the twentieth century so well it made him one of the most important artists of the century. There is also some consensus among art critics that he was exceptionally well-studied in art history and advertising. Talentless? Please. I don't need to argue in his favour there - the guy invented new art media. "Used to dumb people down" - the less a person finds in an artwork often says as much about the audience as it does the artist. People thought the soup cans were stupid, and none of them sold. The gallery owner who sat with them all day every day eventually decided them brilliant, he couldn't stop looking, finding new meaning/content. Warhol sold him the whole bunch for $1,000, now they're priceless, a revolution in art. People called Prince a "talentless moron" too - you're sounding like the internet comment I read last week that wrote all his lyrics off as shallow and said MJ's crown was safe.



'Art'?



He could not draw or paint. He had NO talent. He did nothing a 5 year old could not do.





He drew and painted by hand when he worked for advertising agencies. He mostly got famous for screenprinting though. His style of art creation predated sampling in hip hop and his filmmaking style predated reality television. I think his genius was in the marketing really, marketing himself as part of the product and curating found art like a Dadaist while leaving his fingerprints all over it, basically taking Duchamp to the next level.
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Reply #10 posted 05/03/16 4:59am

keenly

LittlePurpleYoda said:

keenly said:

'Art'?

He could not draw or paint. He had NO talent. He did nothing a 5 year old could not do.

And yet has a 7 floor museum named after him, countless books, films & documentaries about him...

To dumb society down. Cretins are always pushed.

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Reply #11 posted 05/03/16 5:16am

keenly

JudasLChrist said:

keenly said:

'Art'?

He could not draw or paint. He had NO talent. He did nothing a 5 year old could not do.



Oh shut it, Warhol was brilliant. He had definite hand skills, and he used them when it was necessary.

He had no skills. Just like a pop stars who can not sing that are pushed.

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Reply #12 posted 05/03/16 8:38am

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keenly said:

JudasLChrist said:



Oh shut it, Warhol was brilliant. He had definite hand skills, and he used them when it was necessary.

He had no skills. Just like a pop stars who can not sing that are pushed.


What-evs.

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Reply #13 posted 05/04/16 3:52am

LittlePurpleYo
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keenly said:

JudasLChrist said:



Oh shut it, Warhol was brilliant. He had definite hand skills, and he used them when it was necessary.

He had no skills. Just like a pop stars who can not sing that are pushed.

You seem very bitter. Did he run over your puppy or something?

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Reply #14 posted 05/05/16 12:20pm

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The troll has since been banned, but I'll reply anyway to say that Andy Warhol was certainly not talentless. He won many illustration and advertising awards early in his career. I also visited the museum this past weekend and saw the Prince portraits for the first time. I loved the Prince tribute the museum posted when he died: https://www.instagram.com...&hl=en

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Reply #15 posted 05/10/16 5:43am

keenly

sexton said:

The troll has since been banned, but I'll reply anyway to say that Andy Warhol was certainly not talentless. He won many illustration and advertising awards early in his career. I also visited the museum this past weekend and saw the Prince portraits for the first time. I loved the Prince tribute the museum posted when he died: https://www.instagram.com...&hl=en

I am no troll. I merely do not blindly follow the mainstream rhetoric.

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Reply #16 posted 05/10/16 5:56am

phoenixrising

Like assholes everyone has an opinion. I had a chance back around that time to buy one of warhols muck Jagger portraits. I regret not pulling the trigger on it.
He was not a painter in the sense of monet or Rembrandt, but he was an artist, in his own right.

Don't feed the trolls
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Reply #17 posted 05/10/16 5:59am

keenly

phoenixrising said:

Like assholes everyone has an opinion. I had a chance back around that time to buy one of warhols muck Jagger portraits. I regret not pulling the trigger on it. He was not a painter in the sense of monet or Rembrandt, but he was an artist, in his own right. Don't feed the trolls

A poor one at that.

Damien Hirst is another one with no talent.

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